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be here patiently to the moral women. what do you guys think of the result? the patty, the caribbean nation is in turmoil, besieged by political instability, humanitarian crises, gang warfare, and an economy in free fall. the situation has escalated to the point where the government has been asking for foreign intervention in the country to restore order . but many argue that passed international interventions and haiti have only made things worse. not better. so what would be different this time? and isn't what haitians really want, i'll ask katie's ambassador to the united states, but she'd edmond it up front special. ah, joining us today is haiti's ambassador to the united states, but she'd edmond and bathroom and thank you so much for joining us on. i was a pleasure to be with you. you've been a career diplomat for over 30 years, during which time there been multiple foreign interventions in the country. in fact, you've recently called for an international presence in haiti. helped me understand

what exactly are you asking for here? are you what troops on the ground? what we are seeking as a member of the international community, haiti is under position to requests such foreign assistance. i'm assistance because we have a situation where gangs arm gangs they are getting over the 3rd at territory. the capital city. pato prince. one day, if nothing is done, we could wake up one day where you'll hear om gave dick over all public institutions, business office prime minister's office, and so on. therefore it is mos urgent from our friends of the international community to come and help. okay, so what reason we need to help walk me through what the help looks like. you say gangs taking over? no one's disputing that armed gangs on game for short. for short. no one is

disputing that the troops come. these international troops are sold with with guns . yeah. and what do they do when they arrive? but i believe what they will do as the prime minister always said, they're not coming to we place the national police. ok. they are coming to support the national police and operations. and after having those operations against the gangs, there would be parley. there would be some training for the national police because our police is not trained for that. when they came for is the civil police. we have is a 7 police according to the, to the, to the rules of this institution. that, that policy, we have should never even have those automatic weapons. because that's one of the reason we always want to have our forces back. because the issue of gangs can be only confronted with armed forces. the national app willis, we have is a civil police force, therefore did not have any ch winning whatsoever of fight game. so so, so when i,

when i hear you say there, and i think of other countries where this has happened, when they say are, you know, we need troops to come in and support our, our forces aren't trained to deal with the violence on the ground. it's been an occupation at the very least, been an intervention? no, i mean a wish and i think we need to establish a difference between occupation and vision then. or i thought assistance. because what is the country that we are? could you say it's not either, right? it's not intervention, and it's not an occupational occupation. is it an intervention? and had mentioned because they could have been seen that way. but the fact that a government request the assistance. yeah, it is something different now because we, i can't you involved international community which facing a very difficult situation. it's very important to request assistance so it will help mozilla a little bit like a distinction without a difference. respectfully, and i say that because when you spoke to cnn, you said it is not going to be an intervention or occupation force it is, as you just said, wouldn't be a kind of international assistance. yeah, the word intervention seems to make you uneasy. a little bit,

why is this not an intervention that because this is, is that those are reality here. the reality is we've known our history unfortunately. oh yeah. ah myra's a bit fearful of that because of those past experiences. but we always say that it's time to go beyond a pass. and did we need to learn from our pass from the mistakes not to, to be to we thought it be good and what will be different from this intervention or assistance than from previous my believe? no, it should be the felt is the way that they have to be a claim and it down to know that this is why they are coming to do to have the national police to fight against the gangs, to install law and order and make sure that we create a better environment for elections because remember we need to hold relations. oh, it was we need to build back our democratic institutions. but, and this kind of environment we can have elections. so you say we need to learn from the past,

which makes sense. and we need to look to the past to see how interventions haven't worked now. so far it sounds like you're just still authorizing an intervention, just not calling it that. but what i think about is 1915 and think about the u. s. occupation there from 1915th about 1934, i believe. yeah. of is. yeah. that there's been international forces. hey, from 1094 into 2004. i have never seen or heard of an intervention of foreign intervention or foreign assistance in haiti that is worked out well for the haitian people. why should we believe if we're looking to history that this will be any different, but this and we, we should stop thinking about those kind of our events that occurred on to pass. why? because if we can thank him, i would them, the only reason we can think about them is to learn from those mistake of the past . and what was the mistake of the past? what, what went wrong there?

that won't go wrong because we understand probably do not on the doors of engagement on the plans that was supposed to be set to make sure that the create stability in haiti was not followed properly or was not successful. but this time what we want, we want to have that international assistance to the national police, still held them to quell the gangs. and make sure that the national policies where trent and not to have those on the national partners come in and do their job with the national police and the leave. they have to come to a head, the police where they say job and then trend them. and then before they leave the trend, them, how long, how long will they stay? but the experts will tell you exactly how long he could take to. what do you like? i'm sure you consulted experts. what did they say? i know we haven't even spoken to an expert on this matter yet, but i believe those experts will decide with tell you and how long how much now will the experts support the idea of an intervention that if we haven't spoken to them, how do we know that, that's what they would, i mean, i mean it,

most of those international institution, they are security on sort of an expert. they can tell you exactly. they're in a hard to want to get their wonder, most simple thing to us. is there a real? is there fact the reality under ground now? you have for me the kids that you are go to school, they cannot go back to school. this should have been good madison. i september. now we on december. yeah. and we have many people sick at their home. they can go to the hospital because all woods are blocked by a games console games. so that the start to lose out of the reality we need to face . i mean, i understand people have, may have some hard feeling about the bus. well, they also apartment is about to pull the relationship between the police and the gang, sir. i mean that, that's another piece. yeah. that, that's going to talk about that in any country in any country, you would have them not to the point. it's was there was some complement than them . and then the country. yeah. but not necessarily at the same level as we see here . look, i'm in the united states, there's no lack of corruption, police departments here. so this i'm, i'm not throwing stones from a glad to hear. yes, absolutely. but let's talk a little bit about this armed gangs controlled about 60 percent of port prints.

right. and you've talked about this some argue though, that sections of haiti's elite are complicit in the violence and often benefit from gang activity. this is the important distinction for a haitian politicians. have had us impose sanctions on them and then include including current and former senators over the last 2 months alone for drugs and and narcotics trafficking. jimmy assure his yay, head of the g. 9 gang lions also known as barbecue, as importantly received protection from the local police and the police administration, even as his gang is carrying out massacres in 80, just to be clear for international audience, he is a former police officer. so the relationship here between gangs and police between gangs and high society between gangs and politicians is very tight. so when you say we're going to have outside people come in and help the police fight the gangs. it seems to me that in some ways, fighting the gangs is very challenging when the police, if they're in,

if they're working with each other, it is challenging. and if you look out of some other countries, what did do the deploy armed forces to fired gangs? the example of salvatore. ah, but when it comes to the issue of having, ah, you know so many people are members of daily economy till it will be associated with the gangs and the policy was found those, those are those are those are paul discipline flags. i mean, we don't deny that. yeah. but i don't have any evidence myself to say truly is the fight in on evidence of what not because of the fact that you are saying that there's been some connections. i know that, i mean, do you believe that there are connections between, between police and highest high society, of course that there should be, i mean, there is your head of the human if you've been given over 30 years away or is, i mean, there was blood defy is if you look at the that the presentation you made, i mean, connection between police officers and gangs conic showing me to nearly them. so on

project new to police force. yeah. therefore, now you will agree with me that police can carry out with that job alone. maybe. but if i'm 4590, maybe because there is no way to think i would that job know that if i trans or get nothing. and that's, i mean, if you make them even more concrete, them okay. currently a prime minister arial on re appointed france l. bay as head of the police force. right? l bay who's been pointed in that head of the national police force, has been accused of have of being involved in police repression and human rights abuses, not just recently, but probably as long as you've been in government for decades, right. as well as for having connections to gangs is particularly john eli muller or tele, the one of the most powerful gang leaders in the country. so if you appoint someone who has gang connections to the national police force, then how can we trust anything? why don't we support a police force that is fundamentally cropped festival?

let me tell you when it comes to the director general of the national police for the selby, all those acquisitions. that's the, i'll always call them allegations. because personally, i don't have any arguments and evidence to prove that. okay. but l bay is reportedly godfather, just son, one of the most powerful gang leaders in the good reasons why the said, but we don't have personally, i don't think that you believe it. i can admit it because i don't see it in every that i cannot believe yet. do you have any reason? think it's not true. i may have reasons to believe it's not too much that would have happened when, since you were to go to photo someone's on and to mode that the sun decide to do something bud. right. so how old is that? is it like that the prior to the origin, this with the crime is lower than that you're laughing because you? absolutely. no, not bad. is that true? but what? what will move what i just, i am, but i'm very, very, you can certainly understand why the international community is skeptical of supporting a police force that how international community i would say something. some of them

that are short of some countries, dameon some variations, but i strongly believe the most important issue here is the security of the haitian people. no doubt, because if you have a country member of the international community, one our and how from the most powerful country on earth, they are facing such a dire situation where gangs are whipping women, girths, killing people every day, kidnapping people, and then something we are asking for such assistance to help us to get over this, it is the most aw, and put them egyptian of the international community to come to help us fair enough if it works. i think about daniel foot of the former us special envoy to haiti, he resigned in 2021. and he's talked about a foreign intervention, foreign interference in the country and he's obviously spoken against it. he says that the presence of foreign soldiers could be seen as, quote,

an invading force propping up a dictator. and he suggested that these international forces could be met with backlash. and that he could produce his words, a blood bath, but i'm not going to the right, although this was, this is wrong, this is one i'm going to, i'm going to which part is wrong. everything you said you're saying there's no way that we read that already. no, it be going to be no battle. and no, i'm not going to respond to that in foot. but when you mention about dictator, i mean, i know that our foot knows the definition of a dictator. why minister emory is not a dictator? the we know what does that mean that it can be seen as, as, as, as probably in particular, partly because you haven't had elections. nothing. has you ever heard of target electrons not a year? does the issue the year does the issue mug? the law of people are talking about, hey, the monday. don't know haiti doesn't know. he doesn't know. he did that. linda defined that was 70 before one or 2 years. you know 80. the important thing is,

i mean, is that, you know, you was appointed by an elected president. as the constitution says, no prime minister has not been elected. we don't have election for prime minister, right. he was appointed by elected president. unfortunately, that was, it was assassinated. and he became our automatically the head of the government and the head of the consulate, ministers yeah. but now is met. mission is to hold in a shot is important. all forces together and the whole elections. what says the security situation does not primitive yet we have to work together as is trying to do to how the national consensus was all sick. all it was happening between 60 and a 120 days after the unfortunate assassination of german and louise last july. could you imagine if 60 days after one on $2.00 and $3.00 days there was no election? who robin, hon minister could what would happen would have been a blow bet. no. what i'm saying is that would have been submitted by ministers because if no one has a mission or an one on, within 20 days,

the whole elections of the law suggests yes. and elections will be held. it will have put on it by minister. and i'm sure it will have been difficult to hold it again. you know, there are a 3rd one. so at least i think the most important thing is to get the national consensus. and to make sure that we have a national agreement any up, you know, even if they haven't an electoral council now, i'm in electro arkansas department. second for the appointment for the girls going through on the self. he asked to talk, you have to discuss that. he said he needed sufficient time. it's been a year, not because the reason if it was for the prime minister himself, you would have put it already. but it, we need to have the national consensus to albany to conceal. and how do you get a national consensus by putting together all stakeholders and have a discussion of what political limit it. so how do we get what is needed to get the problem in the says, working with them is sit and discussion with many, but it's got by the timeline. when will it have? i mean, i believe it should have been done already. when will it happen? but i think my twin by next year we should have all concluded at plans. eagle out by the end of the calendar year. yeah. by early next year we should have

a maximum early next year. yeah, we don't month from now. yeah, no, not a few months is less than a month, less than a month, less than i'm oh, okay. thank you, melissa. so i believe that it's very important to have that what, he's good arguments. yeah. he didn't, the bullies grow buddies and make sure that that particular agreement on can set up a new or former governance and what to, to choose or to former to conceal and was thought working on the electoral process when you imagine total elections. absolutely is. are it when, when do you imagine? oh, i'm no one expect of that, but i know once the government is a point in unity to conceal, they will have to meet with experts and to assess the situation and tell the executive. this is the time i believe we need to our dealership because the anecdote can see the house was under calendar to the government. what the government does have any power to decide under toil bit. we can oh so, so many people would argue in have argued myself included to be clear that the

establishment of a government, a democratically elected government shit come before you call for foreign intervention book for you. call for troops on the ground. why not? you know what you say is locked your houses and fire before and i 11 before the truck comes and you don't do anything to the tried to put off the fire when your house is on fire. if there is an attempt to put off the fire personally, while the charge is on these away, you have to learn something, right? is that the fact that this new at my do something? yes, is under fire because the government is on it in your house. you do something, of course, right in haiti, the people are the ones doing the did you deciding and they haven't voted you? i was mentioned to people. yeah. did. people will be able to vote when there is a normal situation like security, the situation established because and the such environment you can either come to people to call violations. they're not going to vote because and rwanda's when exam

to be free, fair and democratic. and they have to me alleged by the division of the people in the elections. because if you would do electron in this kind of environment, i assure you this $15.00 was and would be able to go to vote. because this is not what we want. we want a full or a large participation of the people. so there are 4 is that we come out with all those inaction will be legitimate. when we think about the conditions on the ground, there's a security question, but there's other things that reflect life in haiti right now. a patient facing of food shortages are water shortage. is really just basic necessity and select shortages. almost $5000000.00 people right now are experiencing acute hunger in the cost of living is on the rise in the price of petrol is, is, this is doubled in this. now, in september, acting prime minister on re announced a further hiking gas prices in order, as he said, to keep the country running in the midst of mass protest against inhumane conditions and the cost of living. i mean, this is the very instant contrast. here is the government prioritizing its self

preservation over the basic needs of haitian people. i don't think that's not that that's not the case. there was no intent of preserving ah, the audio government itself was irving on it all over the people as need. ah, this is what i've been telling you people at the can and some people don't to come out haiti, but you don't know. do you explain to me why, why i knew was that we use gas prices under the government to the decision to do that. because their government as been subsidizing the fuel, our market, and it's more than $400000000.00 a year. ok. therefore, by stopping their subsidies, that money would be awhile. the government would be able to use those money for social programs and social work. this is, this is, this is their faith. so the cost of living is through the roof. people can afford food, clothing, and shelter. you double the price of gas,

which makes it harder for them to get without causing a shell to let you go by with another depressive of gas, depressive guys. that will give me a price of gas, has double october. and you stop subsidizing because because it is not in there and as of the governmental keeps oxidizing, are the fuel because most of those products, so i've been subsidize, they're not going to the, and the favor of the population. because most, those are those who are benefited from that. those are all can off on those fuels. therefore we stop their subsidies and to make sure the money goes to the national, our treasury for, for social work and social programs. but all this money is going to get it being taken out is going to go directly back into social programs for that because that's because we just thought in it. and we make sure that the government, we make sure that all there is enough, a capacity to, to have those when we have the capacity. but you know, it's a, it's a, it is a process. it is, it was a,

since we've just started with the program with the s a because i believed is been less than 3 mouth or 3 months maximum. that to go in the last stop the subsidies. and that's really provoked their height of the price. yeah. but it's not because we decided to double the price, it's the price of fuel and international market understood, but i will do the pencil under response to be done the government of because of that. but we just to ann louise on our most importantly because we, we do want to make sure that the weird people and these are the ones who benefit from those founded meals for the year. we've been subset of the real people in need and are suffering because you stop subsidizing and you knew when you pull the subsidy out that that life was going to get harder for them. yeah. now using their social programs, it's been 3 months. no program. and you don't have a date for when the programs are going to start is gonna be year from now 2 years down. been some social program, probably not our at the widest kid. and yet they, i mean for the people who is now taking them. remember, remember, it's a, it's a,

it's a large quantity of 12 young people. it is not something that you can do overnight . is that what you want a subsidies overnight? yeah. that that because because the process, the subsidies, all those fall under $1000000.00 does not comment on overnight is a process to get to collect those money. because those are money we use to paid to import the. ready feel what now the government stop doing that. they say dana, going to subsidize the bit, the fuel any more. so if you want to import or the fuel to sell on the market, you are free lucel, but the government grants are so sad as it. let's talk about debt for a moment. haiti has been trapped in a cycle of debt. it goes all the way back to the exorbitant payments that your country has had to pay to france. after gaining independence, some economists have estimated that have haiti had had a chance to develop without the burden of debt. it could have added between $21000000000.00 and $115000000000.00 to its economy 8 times the size of

the asian economy in 2020. do you think ben haney should demand reparations? and if so, what does the reparations process look like for your country? this and i don't think heavy should go into a process of confrontation with any of the country by trying to. we ask for permission after new parish and the show of the patient can be discuss on a diplomatic level and to send a philosophical position or is that a tactical? and he believe he deserves reparations. ah, i think why not? why not? so it depends on what kind of reparation we are. that's one of the reason we said we are going to do something for 4th washington. we are going to confront any country to say that we unit to pay me. we bush and this is underway, should be done. i've a should be something to be negotiated diplomatically. what i bought the ideal reparations configuration look like from your position. i mean, i don't, i don't think it's gonna be easy for a country tomorrow to say, okay, we going to,

we back to give me permission to, hey, the, all of the i want you mention, i think the most the most i would say practical one should be to have a negotiate in negotiated agreement on something, for instance, it could be on a for such as it could be in it higher education programs. it could be on any other matter or training whatsoever. so, but the most important thing is there a vision can be done. but i believe it is something that to be discussed by universities. and amid proposal to live on ments and diplomats and sit together and tried to solve the issue. but there was no kind of confrontation ah, strategy that would work and made you in bathroom and thank you so much for joining . a friend is a pleasure to meet you, everyone that is our show up front. we'll be back next with

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