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strong winds and heavy rain of damaged properties flooded residential areas and caused power outages. more than 9000 people have been moved to relief camps and hundreds of trees of also been up routed. and these meteorological department is saying the storm has now weakens. under the protest, as of marched in the to museum capital, they've continued with their march. they're in tuners, and they are condemning what they call an undemocratic qu by the president protest come a week before nationwide parliamentary elections. the president chi side dissolved parliament last year, making controversial changes the constitution and ruling by decree. or we want to move now to china, where the health commission is saying the number of karone of ours cases is in decline. it follows the easing of some restrictions by doing decided to loosen at 0 covered policy on wednesday of the days of protests in beijing and shanghai. but people are being urged to remain vigilant and continue with testing. meanwhile,

the court in hong kong has sent his media tycoon jimmy lie to nearly 6 years in prison. he was convicted of fraud in october, related to the lease of a building. the houses is now closed apple daily newspaper. i've been detained at since december 2020 for organizing pro democracy protests rights group. say beijing is trying to crush descent in hong kong. german police of ended a hosted situation at shopping mall in the city of dresden authorities. a. the 40 year old suspect died after being wounded during a police operation of re 2 hostages. the more has been temporarily closed, but he say the man is also suspected of killing his mother, whose body was found in another part of the city. quick but he's from through protest is still going on of the arrested and pitch present. petrocca thea, he was removed from power and detained on wednesday, the supporters are demanding his release with how rallies across the country. and you know, the only thing that people, nothing more, we don't have authority,

we have nothing. it's a national embarrassment. all these corrupt congress represent this have filled themselves betraying our president, pedro, his dears. he is not a communist. he is not corrupt. i'm here for new election if the president is leaving and everyone you guys, let's recall to election because a president is elected by the popular and the winners of this, he has nobel peace prize has been given the prestigious award in noise capital. although the recipients will share the nearly $1000000.00 prize and coming up now is an algebra special, we're going to be talking live to all exonerate. my view took from ukraine center for civil liberties, john rodzinski from russian human rights organization memorial and also the wife of jailed that a russian activist. i was really ascii the joint when as of this year's nobel peace prize. o military targets in

residential areas, fall $190000.00 soldiers on the move. millions forced underground or out of the country. when russia invaded ukraine in february, many thought it would be over quickly when major cities falling in while they hadn't record dawn, was the determination of ukrainian people to fight for their civil society was quickly mobilized to defend the country. while in russia it came and return situation. all too familiar to pro democracy out to this in bella roofs. ah, this is nobel peace prize recognizes the significance of civil society for peace and democracy. go into human rights activists from the 3 neighboring countries.

the center for civil liberties organizations set up to fight corruption and promote democracy in ukraine, which now finds itself documenting war tribes. memorial established to ensure the victims of soviet oppression and never forgotten. alice biachi jailed for daring to oppose dictatorship in belarus. from countries on different sides of the war in ukraine, but united in their work for democracy and piece with things. and we'll come to the interview. is there a special lie from oslo?

i'm jane space and am fully bad t bowl just a few hours ago, right? here at oslo city hall, the 2022 nobel peace prize was received by young rodzinski from memory are all examples, magnitude from ukraine center for civil liberties. and natalia pincher, the wife of jail, beller, will see in human rights activists. alice bailey etzky, over the next hour will be speaking to all 3 of them about the importance of civil society at a time of war. and the challenges and dangers facing activists as they go about their jobs. and we will also be speaking to 2 very special guests whose own lies have been impacted by e crackdowns on the fight for democracy and human rights. now some of our audience members here in oslo will have the opportunity to ask questions and you too can be part of the conversation, connect with us using the hash tag a j nobel. congratulations. thank you so much for joining us here in oslo city hall

for this interview. thank you so much. thank you. alex sandra mad v chak from the ukraine center for civil liberties. let me start with you. as a human wide defender, do you feel now a new sense of responsibility with this peace prize? and is this a vindication for the ukrainian people? exactly. they're snowballed best price as iraq ignition on the efforts of the whole ukrainian nation who gravely struggle for freedom and for our democratic choice. and this is a huge responsibility because this is a number of peace prize during the war. and during the variable i divorce before it for decades, the voice of human as defenders from our region was unheard. so it's provide us as a unique opportunity. john rosin ski from memorial you were in court. i believe when you found out that you had won this award fighting to keep hold of your organization's headquarters. what does this award mean for an organization

that's now banned in russia? nasa, oregon is as soon as a priscilla. ha, louisiana on that organization is known to band of that are due to organizations, the international memory, all and also the human rights center memory, all who have been disbanded and band. but we have an association of independent organization. do you see what we used to have hundreds or thousands of people? margaret comprised of those to day, there are tens of thousands, but are still lots of people who are doing this work. so our activities, i'm on band, they have more of one of my own and basically found an absurd formality which was some of the publications not putting their logo or foreign agent, leisure food. so this is the only responsibility and the only charges that they're put. yours night natalia pin choke your sitting to day in a seat where your husband added barely abaski should have been sitting, receiving the nobel peace prize on his behalf. alice bailey ask. he has been in

prison, of course, for the past 17 months cut off from the outside world. i want i want, i want to know 1st, i guess what his reaction was when he heard the news that he'd received the nobel peace prize. and what do you think this will do to his situation? will it help him or will it make his situation in prison? worse you think as that is sir alyssa, akin i saw a lesson even though it says or his reaction didn't me is it was quite unexpected. o'neill dollars has got on that. and that senior, while mckuddle just, i saw it from his live gestures and miss than sir from non verbal communication during our meeting. unfortunately, we had only one hour to communicate. and he was of course, of knowledge at the same time rogers, not sure whether it would help us or not for all just a little more. first of all, it is it, literally, i believe we should talk not only about a less,

but about all political prisoners in bella. goose. and this rise is of a most important because the world has heard about the pollution tragedy. thousands of people who are behind bars that were in terrible conditions assures the hormone, marsh conditions, universe mantle gibson very important. it's a very important message to the whole world. so this price gives us hope, the bachelor elk. it gives you hope and you've talked about either prisoners, of course, as you said, it's not just alice galliard ski, but a number of activists who are behind buys in bellville city, all boy neg side. i want to hear more about alice viaz case conditions in prison. if you can share that with us. how is he being treated? o wally in full might say general javan parkway. to me,

i have very little information in the even more because she is not allowed to write about were done there at his conditions provide in prison, northern as far as nearer and he is not allowed to discuss the situation. there was the situation in the country. yes. of him of wonder in the suburbs, so i cannot be an official one. 0, imagine the valet defer the conditions he is held them. oh full. so he's not on board says shipper as phyllis, 3 malls, we communicate and it was in the hall in writing, but she doesn't get caught up all my letters and vice versa. so, you know, it was in the chest, the, the risk censorship. and he went in to put numbers on his letters and her if her indicates how many letters are that we elaine received. so we don't receive all the letters and the lawyer, sir,

who work with him. they don't disclose any information. it's very difficult for me to answer that question. natalia, thank you for now. we'll continue talking to all 3 of you throughout this hour. but i want to bring in someone who knows a great deal about the challenges facing the opposition in belarus, and that is svetlana taken off sky air, who fought against president lucas shanker. in that disputed 2020 election. you stood because your husband wasn't allowed to stand and he was thrown into jail at the time, you are now seen by the european union as the leader of a free belarus. what does this award to day? what does it mean for the protest movement? what does it mean for the political prisoners, including your own husband? so 1st of all, i had to remind the ward that question is not the president of barrows here last elections and trust of it back in 2020. but no, no, the price. so what it is, no,

just a would for at least it's a recognition of all the efforts that there are some people have made in order to now fight for 3 democratic independence. billers where human rights are respected and actually it is always said that it's not on the my awards i. this was for all, there are some people. and i hope that noble price would be attract more attention to barrison humanitarian crisis. and, you know, and help us to release all political prisoners, the number which is true in every day. and it's like remind to the world that bill horace needs you. but it also remind for there are some people that they are not forgotten and they're not abandoned. i'm one of those is your own husband. what's your role as the leader of the opposition? how do you think that impacted his treatment in jail?

ah, the have to release all political prisoners. my husband, i, yes is are one of them. and i have to say that political prisoners, in billers are treated much, much worse than ordinary criminals. they are under constant pressure of administration of jails. they actually eat at physical and morally, they are being tortured every day. you know, they're put in punishment cells, they are deprived or for normal food, for fresh air and so on and so forth. and actually have a lot of women in jails. it's, you know, it's our pain, but i think that's her with assistance of the whole democratic world. with her create multiple points of pressure on the regime. we will be able to get rid of a dictatorship in our country, and of course, it will release of our people from prisons. let's turn to the war. and ukraine president putin had hoped to have control of at least key of in

a week or so. the war is not going the way he would want. do you see the fate of putin and lucas shanker has been intertwined. and if that's the case, do you see a real possibility of change right now at this moment? ah, put in is there only political and economical backup to look, take a look at and can bureaus and for sure when ukrainians, when they will, it will weaken put his regime. hence, it will be can location cost regime and their, their window of put unit is, will be open for some people to apprise again and, but it doesn't mean that we just sit and wait. and when calling us when we are supporting people as much as we can, it is 6 percent of their us and our pause in this world. they don't want to bureaus to participate. we see ukrainians as our friends as our close nation. and of course, our task now is to the,

to be prepared for that moment offer or opportunity are working a lot on this work on a lot all help are ukrainian people, but her, we see that we will not manage to do it alone. we really need assistance of the whole democratic wald. it's our duty to release our country. but it's so difficult or pause this huge regime machine or when you are for gotten that will bend and said lana took an off sky. thank you for talking to us. james, we are going to focus now on ukraine and take a closer look at the work of the center for liberties. it was established in 2007 to promote democracy and the rule of law in ukraine, but from 2014, with russia, annexation of crimea. and pro ration separate is fighting in the east. the center turned its focus to human rights abuses and potential war crimes. they never imagined the scale of violence towards civilians that would eventually unfold as john hall reports from mackerel. on the snow bound road,

west of keys where months early a russian tanks had rolled war crimes investigators from ukraine's center for civil liberties are following in their tracks. in old 100 years they've come to the village of my courage to record the testimony of a woman who says her husband was killed by the russians. it was not in a stella. when here is where alexi died from what i know he was struck with something sharp like the handle of a 90 or a rifle stop behind his left ear. then they brought him here and killed him, 5 stab wounds to the chest. her mobile phone contains a wealth of evidence. now her descriptions of stock, and matter of fact that votes at, at, and 3 terrace where his best friend andre was shot in the hedge. as alice, this is what was left after his body was retrieved. i have many photos, it was those research, alaska, and alexys body was here to be honest. i have no idea. he put his body in the boot

of the car. that was here. you can see the spot. we're standing where the car was parked. it's a painstaking business. collecting evidence of alleged war crimes like this, a process repeated already thousands of times and they may well be thousands more and they don't even know for sure whether these crimes will ever be prosecuted. there is no international tribunal yet at which to try them. our website is a terminal for putting her and her it's our database or, or for a war crime, sir. so we're, you can see the number or for an instant enter morrow 25 for the south center. was the mall, not a process. yeah, certainly this is a process that will take time. however, we must collect this information and nothing gets lost. you confident that these crimes will be brought to justice? oh that yes. yes, i am confident justice one. justice may be slow,

but the certainty is reassuring. for this widow of the war, and many like her alexandra magic, the organization, the ukraine center for civil liberties wasn't set up to document war crimes. in the 1st place, your team has been investigating adi's walk. i'm since 2014. how disturbing has this experience been for you, especially now in the current conflict in ukraine? what have you uncovered when we started our documentation in 2014, we focused on the practice. so for legal induction, torture, sexual violence, and killing civilians. because russia use a tactics a target against people on the occupied territories in order to save their control . and we sent numerous report to you and toy see counsel of europe. and nothing's told that this horror still continue. and after low skill

invasion, we face with on presidential level of human face. what sort of human pain? precisely when you look at the conflict now in ukraine, what have you seen in what have you witness? in terms of the violence suffered bicycles with document, not just violations of heal. hark, which any of conventions were document human pain. when the russian troops deliberately sheylan residential buildings, schools, churches, hospitals, when they organized for civil depredations when they committed crimes such abductions, rapes, and torture. when they manage filtration chem systems or attack a vacation corridors. are you investigating crimes by both sides in the conflict? because the international human rights organization, amnesty international was criticized earlier this year for saying that ukrainian forces were possibly also endangering civilians by launching strikes from civilian

areas. are you looking at both sides in the conflict? we obviously document all human rights violations, regardless of the sides. about vast majority. cases in our database is crimes committed by russian troops. it's because russia uses were crimes and the methods of warfare and russia needed in many countries of their world log in. we'll dover in georgia in chechnya, in syria, in my lee, in the beer and others. there is a t from the international criminal court in your country doing investigations. but my understanding is you would prefer a special international tribunal to be set up. why do you think that's a better option? and could we see eventually, key leaders in russia, including president putin going on trial, is that a real possibility? their action of international criminal court is extremely important. but the

problem is that international criminal court will limits in investigation only to several select cases. and this is a question who will provide justice for hundreds of thousands of victims who will not be selected by international criminal court in the situation when national legal system is over lowered, it was an extreme amount of crimes. so additional to international criminal court, we have to establish a complex justice throughout the year. and one of element of their justice throughout the year has to be international tribunal. it seems in the last 8 weeks or so that the wars entered. a new phase, aerial bombardment, missiles from russia, camera, kazi, drones from iran targeting the civilians. chart targeting the power infrastructure . are these 2 war crimes and how are ukrainians going to survive? how's the screw effect their moral? it's rather difficult times we expected you are in the interior,

the cursor. this is a terroristic attack to civil infrastructure. and russian do a deliberately to deprive millions of people from what her, from here, from electricity on lied to you in the winter. and i myself came from the keys where i have no heat in my home. and before i left keith, in order to be present there, i have 3 days more without light. but i'm sure we will endure russia dalia because they think that ukraine young will surround it will never surround it . right, yan, let me come to you. and alexandra talked a bit about this or that the forcible sub sending of civilians from ukraine into russia. they are persistent reports that people have been forcibly moved into russia, including large numbers of children, so civilians as targets in, in new ways,

far beyond physical violence. and what have you ever been able to investigate about this specific issue? sheleesha. oh, it's got a susan with him, just look like i have not participated and there's instigation. i'm just going to quote the colleagues words indeed get which reports are discrete settlement, uncontrolled movement and transfers of people, particularly children cannot answer for themselves. they're usually orphanage children or from different hospitals, children who are being taken to russia without being asked. and this is really forceful deportation transfers. it's harder to talk about the adults because this is not a direct violence, but they're given no choice when people don't really have any choice because they being sheldon, they being told that there is no choice whether to go to ukraine or whether you go to russia they are just taken to russia and then many of them have to spend a lot of time and

a lot of effort in order to go back home. and here i must say that for me it came as a surprise that rush and civil society. so who did, in fact self organized, it wasn't just some existing organizations, new organizations, and being fair job. it is basically compassion. so there are volunteer networks for bringing articles or agree between themselves, how they can help the kids, individuals, families. and in fact, there are lots of cases where people get really, very serious support. without it, it would be very difficult, particularly people, disabled people who i being helped to move back to grain from russia. so she's, there is support then, within russia for these ukrainian civilians who are being forcibly sent to russia. is that what you're telling me? darcy aqua yasemin, yasemin the yes indeed, it came as a surprise and it is much more cheer axial than i had imagined renewals. i had

never thought 30 people would be so active and so pro active and so of so compassionate and capable to self organize in this way. right? natalia pincher, present. alexander lucas shank of whenever was finds himself to day, heavily dependent on the kremlin and has been forced into a supporting role for this russian invasion of ukraine. but do people in bella ros support this war i hadn't listener though, cleans chris a 3rd. 3rd, personal illustration in ukraine. well, the right different attitude, sir. res luca franklin, he is entourage and there is belittle from people. and of course, opinion was in the reserves that some of those positions are quite different than like the levels it is quite different from the situation in russia. but the reason people don't support that, aggression in one of, of course, and put in a has a lot of influence on lucas franklin. we're and lucas shanker, that is a headache he is doing with the sales everything to just carson stay for

when you deal with russia. but he understands that an open war with ukraine will lead to his collapse her in belarus for what i'm about. 3 other mulatto sales for the situation in bella rose. oh, i was vaudeville or cray in there. as that i said, thought, well, with the letters. i believe article address, bella luce and the woman to is 19000000000 people for don't losing hope that almost because doesn't hundreds, as you know, that you bring in victory as a real one. make a c rush. what's a bless, strong or so russian influence embellish roles level will diminish. natalia st. you, we have a large audience with us in oslo city hall that a listening to our conversation. let's take a question from one of them, peter, or is brought an opposite. peter, your question please. ah,

they are lobbyists. and my question is, what can the young people in norway and in other european countries do to help you grain in ongoing war? we are a lot about weapons, aid and emergency aids, which we are now feeling an increasing sense of hopelessness. so what can be done to consumers? alexandra, if you maybe can take that question. they want to help you. what do you need her? so all i, i am expressed a huge gratitude to people in norway and are there conscious of their world for as a way of of solidarity which makes which will feel. and it's very important for us in this traumatic time. i must admit that ordinary people have much more info because they even believe and massive mobilization of common people around the world can change the world history quicker than the u. n. intervention. so there are hundreds of methods. how to be useful. you can call the word the war you can

gather in the nation. you can organize rallies to archer government, to provide more assistance to crane. you can make a choice to pay more for guess, but don't buy the russian one because freedom is worth it. so you have a choice to be non indifferent to there are, there are people in this situation because solidarity has no limits in national borders. okay, thank you very much for, for your response. said, ah, alexandra, let's focus now on russia for, for many years. civil society activists in russia had endured threats, imprisonment, disappearing, says, and major memory. i was the country's largest human rights organization before it was liquidated by the government. earlier this year, al jazeera mom, it van in moscow looks back at its way.

stalin's rule was at time of terror for many in the soviet union 1000000 were killed to ported or sent to forced labor camps as he sought to post industrialization and eliminate any one who might challenge him. for decades, the soviet authorities covered up the 2 scale of his crimes until the late 19 eighties. when we had gorbachev's glasses are opened, this policy lifted the veil on style innocent memorial emerged in 1987 to document political repression in the former soviet union. and to show us talents, victims are never forgotten. alexander given us farther glove idea being that confronting past crimes will help prevent the new ones. but it's a sentiment vladimir put in a code 5 years ago, while unfailing, the wall of grief, a monument to those victims. memorial developed into several branches documenting abuses of power in modern russia, as well as historic crimes. they included alleged atrocities by a russian forces,

and there are lies during the 2 church and was investigative work that led to the murder of natalia esther. moreover, the head of the church near branch is going up or it's in good shape. your office has been fire bumped, and 2 of its activists arrested on politically motivated charges. the crackdown on memorial began at the same time as russia's war with ukraine in 2014 months after russia seized crimea. the organisation was designated as for an agent. 4 months after russia invaded ukraine, it was liquidated. and as after the nobel peace prize was announced, a court ordered the seizure of its headquarters here in moscow. yan, we've heard there the work that you do at memorial and particularly the work looking back at the crimes of starlin and other leaders of the soviet union. given that historical perspective, how bad things now. and could they get even worse?

the good as a premium. this is a function of cigna optimist. used to say that the situation may deteriorate any time. so there are no exceptions to this rule. yes. but there is a very dangerous strand emerging because extra judicial this was and wasn't capacity of other plethora just are expanding. so they are now can allocate and organization as an undesirable organization or for an agent. and it's up to an official in different agencies. it's really are us, but i will remind 4 of extra judicial executions of stalin's time, hopefully, which won't get there. but the trend is extremely disturbing. so if nevertheless, it allow me to go back, suitcases can log and say that it is not possible when you cannot go back in

history because too many things have been revealed. and the mass media have changed dramatically. so you just asked what the young people could do? well, i think young people may be optimistic because the young people look for information independently. vegas that are in contact on a peer to peer level, and it's become a habit for them to revisit. so when young people see that in normal countries, you can go on the street without being afraid that you may be arrested by the policeman just because you have a poster which doesn't mean the party line you yes boards. and then they have something to think about it. and then they have to make a choice once they've given it to thought minutia. i believe him about that current, hard times a fish come, the dog won't be too long. yan, some people have compared this moment, the ukraine war to the cuban missile crisis in 196260 years ago. that of course, only lasted for

a few days. this has already gone on for almost 9 months. are you worried about escalation, even nuclear conflict? and spoke with in the morning a 3rd. well, i think it's not just me who is concerned about what you gorbachev in his mirror. what released the entire world from the fear of a nuclear war. and the gap lasted for almost 30 years, however, of the moods because of fortune, the threat is becoming more tangible. and it's a serious threat of the i hope that it won't get to a nuclear war. yes, because of the, as we go look, there are sober mines who understand that there are no winners in a nuclear war. decrease to think about how long will the crisis protract? it depends on what the international community is about to do, because right now they are in front of a choice who's less than you looked to see when we would be inconveniences off today from many of this be. so because you have to spend

a lot we business of in order to support the refugees, your grand in his fight against russia, but we have lucy willingness to me. so it's a choice either it's inconvenient yesterday or a catastrophe tomorrow, because if put in your gibbs they are but get to the upper handle in this conflict, it will be the aunt of international law. and then this conflict may emerged in our, the territory in yon, given the situation in russia, which you have described yourself as being a very serious one. how are you, how his memory are able to operate today with, you know, with the limited resources and the limited movement that he has today? how are you able to operate? what can you do? oh, well let's group with nursing officially because yeah, that's a good thing. we haven't been sampling. we haven't been presented with any charges . we just can't you know, doing what we have done because other organizations have not been banned. so they

continue gathering information on terra don't answer questions. so many young people come to us who want to know what has happened to their great grandfather's, great grandmothers. and also when people come to us who want to deal with today's problems, young people, they need to find something to do. and that they wouldn't be ashamed of doing my. so because there may be a question, what did you do during this terrible war? and then they could say that a book that i was working with memorial for me. i was involved in documenting the crimes of the past and the crimes of the present them. so the work continues. we asked a politician from the governing, united right russia party, his reaction to memorial getting this year's nobel peace prize with a solution that you this is a personal matter of the peace prize in a memorial organization. what's your prince? and there is nothing special to comment on as to the principle of the piece price.

you're frankly speaking, jason, this is propaganda as tractor barton information war game. you know, the americans, the british, have always had very strong position in formation warner. this is their thought and they use this advantage. this is purely propaganda information campaign from nothing wrong about yon he's playing down the importance of your award. but this is the 2nd nobel peace prize to go to an individual or organization from russia. some people see this as a rebuke to putin. it must worry the kremlin surely genocide, the school because of this book with grammar in the i'm not sure to what extent it worries this along with the gramlin. but the man and we've just heard should really try and recall the history of nobel prizes in russia. it was boston, arg, soccer associates, and of course show a film support who were all outcasts would in fact those who were purging them or

not remembered any more, and those who were being purged the outcasts on their own to the whole world. so the president also, it is the regime and marauding when they're using those names for their propaganda . their held, their soldier needs and year, the soccer up here. and the present events, in fact, would be commented up on both of them in a very unequivocal away. so i think that was junior premium there. oh, warding this price is a good sign for civil society in russia. it's not just our prize, it is the price for all russian activists hall fighting local the dark times of their tar descending on russia. and i'm hoping, and i am confident that even in the future, those quite talking speaking against the nobel prize again to be shamed as he would have noticed, have now joined our audience here in oslo. and we have another question from one of our audience members. this is david ross, dad, and your question is to yan,

which is a seen a change in our people in russia. you work in the last year. have you seen a change yarn in how people in russia view memorial in the last year? and after this nobel peace prize and what stops in the border as well. in fact, over the past year and this year, when the prosecutor general asked for disbandment or from the memorial. and we haven't yet realized how much support there was in our society for for memorial. we knew that we had lots of supporters even before that. but it came as a surprise that so many people would come to their leases where the trial was being held to the courtrooms and supported us. and the support is still there. but a yeah. and it is particularly nice to hear and to see that this is not just the support coming from russia to see what nation jablonka and what hasn't been very or

said and voice to day is that your rise is not just for us and not for us the 1st and foremost, but it is the whole community over human rights defenders you from different countries from human rights are above national borders, which you know, no national board as well. this is a very important focus on emphasis. and i think this is why we enjoy such a broad support to you because now human, right? abortion nitrogen could mean even more peaceful then when europe, in the quote of human rights was available to us as a remedy. this was the last hope is for justice to be done. now people have to think twice that we're profitable and they have to think twice about what human rights are. and i have to think about those values. there's common universal values . alexandra, in recent hours, we had some new comments that have come from president putin. he says one way or another, all participants in the process. the conflict have to agree over the reality is on the ground. a suggestion perhaps, that there could be

a space for negotiation. so as things stand now, should president zalinski seek peace negotiations with putin put in? and on one negotiation, fortune will stop only when he will be stopped and what he called negotiation and some political compromise. it's means as a life of our people, because when we send mobile groups to release to butcher a mockery of my vision for israel of a found dead civilians, buddies lay scattered around the streets until liberation. we found civilian dead bodies in the garden of their own household. it's not peace. so its occupation and we have the name that thinks what they are. so ukraine will never compromise with life of our people. natalia pinch, hook, president putin has repeatedly said he doesn't believe ukraine is

a real country. do you think he also considers bellows to effectively b. a russian province as a nurse is indeed the letters for 1st as his faith. so the rules are for his verse till an independent country for him only because sir, well, if her profits to put him laross has representatives in international organizations . and in those organizations for bella rule such as always will support russia. and that's the only reason why bella grocery remains independent. just a formal independence, there will be mold that her russian troops are present in bella, rosa. and we also know what her bellows did during the 1st days of war in ukraine. natalia. let's now turn now to the personal impact of the fight for democracy and

human rights. alice billiard, i believe ascii is one of many activists who paid a high price for their work. his devoted his life to promoting democracy in belarus and helping political prisoners. the authorities of tried to silence him by jelly, him twice, step vassal reports from neighboring lithuania, or many of his v, as in their colleagues, are now living in exile, vilnius, a place of exile for bella roshan to have stood up against their government. immense. elaine and lastly, clover arrived last year after a friend and fellow activists alice bell, yet sky urged her to leave home and family to avoid arrest. 5 months later he was detained on yes, of course he miss alice a lot. i will tell you very honestly and openly though he's greatly missed as a leader and as a friend, we are trying our best to keep up the high standard or less set for our work. unless by li, etzky who was awarded the nobel peace prize last month has been promoting human rights and bellow since the 1980s on this country were still part of the soviet union would. in mid july,

we founded piano in 1996. the how political prisoners and was jailed in 2011 for 3 years, been a foreigner on no doubt where he's a very, very strong who has devoted his life to the car stores. literally, every day he showed as itsyana and every one else that you can achieve your goal to make bellows more free or to make it a democratic law bashed state hilliard sky was among the hundreds of thousands. he took to the streets in 2020, after alexander lucas shanker, in power for 26 years. was accused of rigging his re election as president at the bull. and that was very dangerous, sir. oh, monterey, police detain people the shuttle be people they killed me. i less went to the protests and became an example to other holly my awarding alice volley ascii as one of this. he is nobel peace prize recipients. the thousands of victims of the regime and barrels have been given a faith, a sign of hope for the hundreds of thousands of fellow or from living in exile that

the front door has not been forgotten. alena and utter bella, russian exiles hope to nobel peace prize for unless bali etzky will encourage the international community to put more pressure on lucas shanker. to step down we heard the story that natalia of protest in belarus and of your husband. and we also heard that many activists decided to go into exile to flee belarus. why did you and your husband stay? oh yes, let's look at us. well, i would like to make a short comment on the video we've just seen via the example over via snar. ah, the activists that had to flee abroad. it's an example of what has been happening to these civil society in beller or so we don't have a, any possibility to remain active in ballard or was in russia. well, as i see,

there is some are active, several community, but in bella rule. so, well, it's impossible to work with people, organizations are forced to flee the country and to work abroad for the blood and cause up as for polish, your question, could you repeat it, please? or why did you decide to stay like, why did you not leave urs thought of? i spoke with alice as for a less. why did he decide to stay with us last because 30. the reason was us melissa, early in the following, at a storm. some activists from the us, not where arrested and he, as a leader of this organizations felt responsibility for the feet. my young you are over here, sir. are people he couldn't imagine

a situation where he could leave them in. bella rose and had a flea brought to save his life. frankly, he knew that he would be arrested and he remained in belarus. what do you say to others in civil society who were appalled by the repression, but at the same time, in fear of being imprisoned or even worse? oh, as it is in the lattice is not a so fighting yet. so in the loose, it's actually quite difficult to speak up or to in express with marcia one's own thoughts. so it's very dangerous that the hospital and with them what career are people visible? she can't speak him gentlemen before this is liz, where, where the average and what was that said them one second here we saw back in 2020

solis thought that people were brutally beaten as a whole. and we remember the young that chrysler when they were brutal, abuse, sterling alpha zacko, that the by police, by the police forces unsolicited in the and the advisors. that is all those things haven't stopped or those beatings and abuses that are still going on. but they are going on in some prison through where those people can't be heard. no one can hear their cries, people or can't or won't be active in bella. rosa bushes e young more and more activity is being done under ground on the rock more and more . a activist sir was for who are a broader okay. de larosa shall. those from a who are in bell rose. i don't lose their whole because they hope that the world won't forgot about the war. which is which the belittle reinstate is raging

against the ability from people her. this message should be heard abroad. delusions need a world supporter in order in to buy launch counter rector with, with this aggression the call, sir. oh, they are torture. so with families are suffering my necklace that you know that her lots of activists have been imprison. so behind the boss, the best people, best representatives of our nation, our students live that they were excellent students. lou at that, only when his mother, he had 3 in the earlier book, one got her international rise. yes sir. that's when they decided to express their opinion, to speak against your story as they were thrown behind the bars. but it's a problem have on there. i tell him that it's a problem with hidden inside belarus and we would like the world to hear about our

problem. all right, i have another audience question now, james and from a student, as we were talking about students in bella was now this one is from clara, goes to my car, please stand out and ask your question to yan regency. yes, my question is at what point in your life, are you the most afraid and did you almost change your mind about your fight for peace and for justice? yeah, unrighteous. he was there time that you were ever cared and wanted to stop this fight that you've been leading. and if i may add, are you afraid to day of going back to moscow? no, thank you by you. so i'm not afraid to go back to moscow. the little i've got to return to get in my pocket. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha model. so i don't understand why i should be afraid of going back to my own country. there are risks, but they're not as large. got as that was one can imagine. i think other people face greater risks. there's people sitting here in the auditorium, for instance. you get a daughter of our colleague natalie's team here,

who is here present here. old people in the auditorium. i tell her was smudge from her activism and that was terrible. and i was never so afraid to go as to her modem . i abandon my work. but yes, you know, one of them can be afraid once when i was shelled risky, ah, that was a close shave who to go. it was a direct threat to my life and i was afraid. but there are people who work in such conditions, permanently all the time. so again, there by grant. but he will at his book of the it would be billable, shameful as well. to show fear it was the use to about us food. there are examples are real examples, hercules of behavior, in such conditions, in such circumstances. lally's bernacki is one of such examples, shining examples. and we should really try and emulate them. well, you talked about the daughter of natalia timmer over. she's here with us. lana is similar over please send up a we're going to be talking to her because she is,

has been directly impacted by the repression lana tomorrow of r. i is natalia's daughter. she was, as you said, a prom and human rights activist who was kidnapped and killed in 2009 for bringing rush and war crimes in chechnya to light. she helped memorial document abuse in chechnya, lana. first of all, what does this award mean to you and what would it have meant to your mother, natalia? um ah, 1st of all, i have a very strong feeling that i can shake off the term. although i am very honored to be in the presence of so she distinguished guests, i shouldn't really be here. it's my mother who should be here. she should be receiving bill ward. she should be giving this interview. but alas, this is the reality. the toryn um that's why the news of this a war, it was on a very pleasant surprise and um, and stirred to a lot of emotions and me. and i thought for

a while about what it means to me and what it would have meant for my mom, for my mother. it would of man the world because working in such a gruesome conditions in church now while trying to raise a daughter are being a single mother um, living in a house with no electricity and running water. alexandra will relate to this. i'm it's, it's, it's full of challenges, but she, she just believed in the sense of mission and nothing could stop her. no threat could ever stop her. but every time she would get an international award, every time should be recognized for what, what, what she did. and she always use it as an opportunity to talk about what's happening in change and to remind the world about all the atrocities committed by the russian army on. that's why i am very proud that i am in a position to carry on her legacy in my own way, but lana, 13 years after your mother's murder, ramson cad,

your of is still empower. vladimir putin is still in palm memoria, where she worked, can only operate in a limited manner. how does that make you feel? um, sometimes it makes me feel angry. but i never feel hopeless because my mother's colleagues and these incredible people sitting on the stage right now they are carrying on her work in a sense because this fight for human rights and for our common dignity. it's not just saying academic concept it's, it's a reality that we're all fighting for. thank you. thank you very much. lana james over to you. let's get some final thoughts on alexandra. the 3 countries here have her is historic bond. how do you bring the people of those countries together at the end of the war this nobel peace prize? bruton was given to human rights defenders not to the congress. and this is

a very important human story. makers, civil society and human rights defenders always built in visible ties and protect people in circumstances when the law doesn't work. and now we continued jointly to resist to common eval, which tried to dominate in our part of the world. and i couldn't predict what will be in the future, but i know for sure that we have to do our best in order to create future which we want. so yon, what would the region look like if there was no vladimir putin in power? how difference with difference would things be unplugged on all those to so that will nathan, well it's very difficult to imagine the world without putting he has been powerful so long. let's hope that we'll see the day and that world is going to be based on respect for international law and not on efforts of separate countries to destroy

that international law. natalia finally you after everything we've heard, are you just a little hopeful that could be change? yes, for this the whole is below. suppose i hope that belushi a voice will be heard by the international community. i hope for this people embellish hope for this amp. those are compatriots who live abroad also hope. thank you. natalia. thank you so much for all of you. for this fascinating discussion, congratulations on winning the nobel peace prize. and thanks all 3 of you for your bravery. thank you. thank you very much. i in m a mm

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