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ah, russia and iran expanding military ties, the us as the to a giving each other unprecedented support in the ukraine and beyond. so what are the implications for regional, unbelievable security? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. iran is now russia's biggest military backup. that's the warning from the us national security council. john

kirby says, the crane war is pulling the 2 countries into what he calls a full fledged defense partnership. the west is accused russia abusing iranian drones to kill civilians and destroy ukrainian energy facilities. cubby believes to iran and moscow could start making these weapons together and return. he says russia is providing a wrong with ad defense systems. helicopters and training you k has repeated the accusations of the un security council rushes ambassador denies them, and he says criminals a guessing their hands on weapons. the west has sent to ukraine. his christian salumi with more russia called the security council meeting, intending to highlight the risk of weapons being supplied to ukraine, falling into the hands of terrorists groups and non state actors rushes ambassador vaseline bands via alleges it's already happening, not only in europe, but also in the middle east and africa, but before the meeting even started,

the united kingdom accused russia of trying to purchase weapons from iran and north korea in violation of international agreements. ambassador barbara woodward pointed to iranian drones that have been shot down in ukraine. russia is now attempting to obtain more weapons, including hundreds of ballistic missiles in return in return, russia is offering a wrong, an unprecedented level of military and technical support. russia denied any deals with iran, muscular because muslims for the military industrial complex in russia can work perfectly fine. it doesn't need any once assistance, whereas the ukrainian military industry does not basically exist and is being assisted by the western industry and western companies. the united states, the largest supplier weapons to ukraine,

said they had no evidence that their weapons were being diverted, and they, and other nato aligned countries promised to continue supporting ukraine or russia and iran has been allied for years. iran has confirmed sending drones to russia, but says the deliveries took place months before the ukraine war began in february . the 2 are partners in the syrian conflict. ration our power and fights is supported by iran. some mentor, bashar assad, grip on power. on the diplomatic front president vladimir putin has promised to help her on join the shanghai corporation organization. that's a security block created to counter western influence in central asia. and moscow has turned to tehran for help to bypass western sanctions. ah, well that's bringing our guests now and from moscow powell falcon, how he's a defense and military analyst from ox would frank lead, which as

a senior lecture and military strategy and law at the university of portsmouth and from miami. kenneth scotsman is a senior fellow at the so fan center. that's a non profit organization focusing on global security challenges and foreign policy of a warm welcome to all of you. puzzled, let's start with you. we've got the u. s. saying that russia and iran now have a full fledged defense partnership. is this true? what does it look like? oh, but there have been increased kind of exchanges and apparently russia has been purchasing. so marianne weapons may be with one more. but this is not the defense alliance. it's a book to now arrive. there are women did operation kind of trade rush of buying drones and maybe a shopping for a written may size. of course,

russian industry can produce marseilles. maybe even some of them would be better than those that are produced by iran, but the number of ordinance used in ukraine is so large. the russian defense industry cannot produce enough and buying more to cheaper, more and be more primitive. but iranian missiles could help russian operations. again, there's the problem of ordinary artillery ordinance where russia struggling to compensate was using in the field. so this is a kind of very pragmatic relationship. it has not yet developed enough into a full kind of alliance. and russia still is balancing in the middle east, iran against israel, and i think you have good relations with both. so it may be moving in that direction, but it's not yet there. i think thing will certainly return to the regional

relations in just a moment. kenneth, for the moment i want to get you a response to that. do you think that this is a full fledged to fund defense partnership, or is it just limited in scope at the moment to russia, topping up a few of its trained supplies from iran? thank you very much for inviting me, coming to from sunny miami beach here. i think it's heading that way. certainly heading to a full fledged partnership. it's, you know, we're been involved in or around civilian nuclear program to generate electricity. obviously russia was a major backer of the or nuclear deal in 2015 does not want iran tab and nuclear weapons. so i think moscow draws the line, giving taylor on any knowledge or any scientific help by if there were on word to try to gain a nuclear weapon per se. but the russia certainly willing to deal with iran or

missiles drones combat aircraft, sir. russia were, you know, supplied the army in combat systems in the early ninety's. and now that weaponry that a rom has, is old. it needs to be modernized and replaced, and are cheiron is certainly looking to moscow to replace sol that weaponry or mr. kirby or jack kirby here and i see said that russia's training iran on new combat in raft. i think the su coy, $35.00, and so it, it, it's expanding. the relationship is expanding and it could bring iran into conflict with nato, where i work with the united states, which is seeking to prevent russia from acquiring additional weaponry to, to hit you claim with a frank group of names that institute of science and social security whose maint reporting that at least a 1000 new drones are on their way to russia from iran plus short range ballistic

missiles. it seems that everyone agrees that there is this exchange going on except for iran. iran is insisting that it's not an uni drains that provided. well, before the ukraine wolf started, why is it so adamant that is not supplying russia with these weapons? although i expect that's presentational reasons. both internally and externally, but anyone can see with the evidence and see the evidence of their own eyes. the dates tones the some miss odds are being used on if not in a daily, but 2nd weekly basis in very large numbers. for large. i think the rain is with like a bit further. i think both candidates on puzzle x, of course one except everything they say and agrees with them. but the, it's a little bit more, i think in just a sort of relationship of trade. her we have arranged so called advisors now as comedy central is competence. certainly some have been killed by the ukrainians in

crimea and the aviation element, this is really quite crucial regional in the middle east to it's going to upscale and up on the raining air force to level it. we've not seen really sincerely asians power your response to that sound. and do you accept that there are a rainy and combatants in crimea? leave a r again, that's not being confirmed that there were not so much combatants, that there were advisors and of course right now and crimea, there is no real combat yet waste and they were instructing russian person now how to use your in tag drones or that's my man mostly may be possible. i mean, i don't know for sure, but it's quite possible. this isn't kind of for another step when the 2 countries working more together to military's working more together. but again,

they're still differences in between russia and iraq on other many issues. they agree and supporting assad regime, but about israel, they have very different opinions. and so this is kind of their of agreement sounds of lesser agreement they're, they're complimenting each other with weaponry. well, it's not may be the best off the show for weaponry, but there, for russia, it's very important. rearming you're in the air force. again, that's important, but that's russia right now. have that much a sphere in the military industrial capacity to really re arm iran when it's struggling to compensate the losses already in the ukranian conflict. that's again another, an open question and kind of just to pick up on frank the other point there. and

you mentioned the sequoia earlier, the a ra iran is receiving according to the u. s. advanced military and technical support and defense systems as the coin fighter plane within the year. if that is the case, how is it going to tip the balance of power regionally? well that say it difficult to assess, you know, around is still in terms of conventional weaponry. i'm not talking about missiles, i'm not talking about drones talking about major combat systems. iran is pretty deficient. i mean, as i said, they haven't really re armed or modernized since the early ninety's, they really have no capability to cross large waterways such as the persian gulf. ah, they're the ability to attack on the ground wishy armor is quite limited. so i, i, i don't see it really affecting the balance of power. what has affected the balance of power is iran zone indigenous capabilities in terms of missiles. so, you know,

obviously iran as the, is assessed as having the largest missile arsenal in the reach of pretty much and obviously we all see what they're doing with, with arm drones. so, tremendous capability way beyond what was expected some years ago and, and missile accuracy devastated the saudi oil infrastructure in 2019, where the missile strike could droned, also on drones were involved. so i don't extra russian weaponry including combat aircraft is going to make much difference there still, you know, she compared to the israeli air force. you know, this is, this is not a match and is really air force is just much more proficient. obviously. frank, even if the actual hardware and the tighten, the technology itself isn't going to make much difference to the balance of power are so thought to be careful, doesn't it? because saudi, and especially israel are incredibly sensitive about any support given to iran.

it's a, it's quite a difficult type will that rational being wilkin ha, yes, absolutely. and that, that israel, russia axis is, is important. and of course that's annoying, let's say, to put it mildly, the ukrainians at mount israel so that it will not provide military credit to ukraine on some question as to whether or not some, some things but that axis is vital. i think because my both politically and in israel to lesser extent, in russia. let's want to come back something kind of start those in finally, right, of course. but i think we should also look at the ukranian angle, the new terms. so the new loitering, munitions, or cruise missiles or whatever you want to call them, the more free a new terms that are being envisaged. they are asked to mark as well as the all shockey or not all the shy 136. and they've already caused a great deal of damage to the new ones are really going to change the threat by the threat. the threat profile for the ukraine is, are going to make a major difference to them and put the training people under further threat of them

iteration. i wasn't time to play the important really of this new transmission if you like, of military materials. i think it's really important to the balance of conventional forces in ukraine, particularly in the air. and that shouldn't be under plate. it's going to cause a very great degree, a step change. actually, i think in the problems you claim in our defenses, it's a really important move, a ticket, those are 2 and a ballistic missiles get through. now it's going to take a while for them to do so, but, but i'm almost certain they will. and yet, and do you think find that these new weapons, these are joint is in miss, ours are going to be made in rush or in conjunction between iran and rush as reports suggested. so there are signs yes that the, that the russians are essentially gonna be license to build some of these things and who's evidence already discovered by ukrainian tolerance. but some of the shy heat, the shaheed sort of delta wing drones. we've seen that the lord knows

a so called they have a word century reconstructed in russia. so it does look as if that's already happening. i have no doubt at all. it will continue to do so, but i think has problems already said russian industries already under great deal of pressure. and there is a question as to whether they have the capacity to so take on a new lines. it's like a construction puzzle and do you agree with that? do you see these new weapons coming in from iran as being significant enough to put in to make some big changes and ukraine on the battlefield? oh, not on the battlefield. the net tank kenya a targets in their ear as michaud a big and target some targets a saw kind of soft targets with over power stations and so on. and industrial plants, i mean, fixed big targets. yes, there are. we're going to be a there's, there will be there have an impact of basically these that, that drowns,

were developed to kind of swarmed these rarely the air defenses. they can't attack israeli cities, large numbers. and that's why they're kind of primitive to cheap. but k should be sent in large numbers and used against ukrainian cities and ukrainian targets. yes, they'll have an impact, though on the battlefield. most likely their effectiveness. i mean, of actually eroding the ukranian bad read battle readiness of ukrainian combat troops most likely much worse. so of course also the if we're ballistic massage, arrive, arrive, that could you al, russia to increase the barrage of miss sounds again on ingredient targets in the rear ukrainian cities and ukrainian or industrial plants, power stations. so this, it won't have, or

a give russia additional kind of armament weaponry and their 2 box, though most likely it will not me. i them the wrong think it's going to actually to the balance of power and change the course. so the conflict, but that could have had a very serious effect. what really could change very dramatically what may happen in the middle east. if russia actually moves from balancing between israel and the ram into moving into the rain in a cap and with russian forces still deployed and syria, including fighter jets and missile defenses and missiles, a vast, it could be a very significant change. and there's, there's actually a possibility for us to change a science. there are with the read to russia, israeli got military confrontation, was like we,

everyone would want to avoid that button. that's right. now kind of a possibility. and this could change a lot in the middle east. kenneth isn't abroad, not making of a big gamble hair by increasing the impacts that russia can have in ukraine. it's going to bring it into direct confrontation with nato. and is that a confrontation that is willing to take on well, i made i was in iran expert, i've been a little bit. so my base case was a little bit too correct. you know, the supreme leader alley combination is usually a good judge of our relationships and he usually calculates correctly and i'm a little bit surprised that he's cast his di and with this loser and moscow. mr. bowden, who is basically isolated to fee, basically defeated and ukraine. i mean, he keeps redefining his objectives, but basically, but defeat and he's going to lose more cities in the east and he's going to lose

his army, doesn't want to fight. they just want to survive and go back to their wives. they have no interest in grabbing any more ukrainian territory. putin is lost, he may even be overthrown. and i'm surprised that the supreme leader alley company has put his chips on this, losing a gambit on the roulette wheel here. it's ridiculous, sir. and anne, yes, he asked he risks more. u. s. navy searches of his ships coming out of the gulf. he risks, mister netanyahu was coming back to power and israel, or urging mister biden, nor agitating to strike iranian nuclear facilities to conduct more assassinations of iranian scientists inside iran. i his mr. culminate is really risking a lot and gaining very, very little here, which is a little bit surprising to me. frank, i, you will say surprise nuclear, that assessment. well,

absolutely. and there is that there is another so much less significant. ext is, i mean, so the op racial axis it's worth considering what's important in israel is, and that's their ability to conduct their strikes into syria for which they require the largest of russia to, to do so without casualties. so that, that's a factor, but i don't think it's a, it's a strategic factor more, an operational one. i would, i might, might concern it goes back deep now into the last decade or so. so we have, if you like, if we can, if we look back, you see very close cooperation, military level between these powers. i suspect that's driven a lot of this and both both my colleagues and express that fear, if you like, of a, of an increasing if not an alliance and a relationship with the americans. but it does seem that that's the direction of travel. that's the escalator. if you like, where on with some brakes like that, israeli russian problem in syria. so all of this military exchange and

it seems to violate the terms in the 2015 nuclear agreement, russia as well, but stopped helping revive that agreement since the february invasion. why is that? well, for sure. sure. one is that we are for the agreement, it's a good thing on the road, the west, and primarily the americans are not, don't want to happen. and they spoil that under president donald trump and they are the because everything right now, bad in the world. but the russian diplomats are placing on the americans. so that's kind of the russian position. i don't think right now the iran and actually is that important right now for russia, the crown one is low in gauged in what's happening in the ukraine with increasing sanctions with sanctions and russian oil. i mean,

they're great. so full of the right now are not really that much engaged in the arena problem. at least the top leadership of court. heather specialist the work on that, but the top leadership booth. and i don't think that he's all the time for thinking about the ra. it's not a pleasure i want to bring in. right? i want to think when's that? or to rush to jump in there because i'm interested to think to see your opinion on how much priority, how does a rom prioritize the j. p. j. c. p. o, a itself. and he seems to be jeopardized further jeopardizing it. and does it have any faith in it? does it want to continue negotiations with the west to revive it? or is it just given up well, with this like, that's totally something that can be solved by 2 comments on myself. i'm not an expert on iran or the military capability aspect, but as a general commentator,

i would think be very poor i did. so for around to pull even further away from the j, particularly as i was kind of sent it against the context of netanyahu. oh, okay, and do you agree with that? well, i mean, i think they were, you know, they had several chances are came very, very close to an agreement and iran pulled back each time with new demands which the united states couldn't meet. so obviously i think around doesn't see it as that vital anymore. first of all, they're afraid to mr. bible might not be re elected in the next president may come in and cancel it again. they would be asked to dismantle all this nuclear infrastructure that they dismantled once and then built back up after mr. trump left and then take it away again. the sanctions relief. they're already selling, you know, almost a 1000000 barrels or least half a 1000000 barrels a day. of oil to china and they're not feeling the effective sanctions to the

degree that perhaps they did before the j. c. p, or in 2015 and they, they've got their smuggling roots and their deals lined up, but to revenue from china and others. and so they don't, don't feel any urgency to get back into the deal, but, you know, to, to comment on what's been said about mr. brewton. you know, i mean, on the dictators crossed the red lines of the united states of america, and that did not end well for them. and this will not end well for mr. poo either is my forecast. ok, and that will be our final thought. thanks very much for all of it to all of you for joining us today. problem talking to her in moscow. frank led with an oxford and kenneth cats and that in miami. and thank you to so much for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website as al jazeera dot com, a valid question to go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. it knows it on conversational twitter, or at ha,

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