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ah, all russia and iran expanding military ties the us as the to a given each other unprecedented support in the ukraine and beyond. so what are the implications for regional, unbelievable security? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. iran is now russia's biggest military backup. that's the warning from the us national security council. john
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kirby says the crane war is pulling the 2 countries into what he. busy called a full fledged defense partnership. the west is accused russia abusing iranian drones to kill civilians and destroy ukrainian energy facilities. cubby believes to iran and moscow could start making these weapons together and return. he says russia is providing a wrong with ad defense systems. helicopters and training the okay has repeated the accusations of the un security council rushes ambassador denies them, and he says criminals a guessing their hands on weapons. the west has sent to ukraine. his christian salumi with more russia called the security council meeting and tending to highlight the risk of weapons being supplied to ukraine, falling into the hands of terrorist groups and non state actors rushes ambassador vaseline bands via alleges it's already happening, not only in europe, but also in the middle east and africa. but before the meeting even started,
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the united kingdom accused russia of trying to purchase weapons from iran and north korea in violation of international agreements. ambassador barbara woodward pointed to iranian drones that have been shot down in ukraine. russia is now attempting to obtain more weapons, including hundreds of ballistic missiles in return in return, russia is offering a wrong, an unprecedented level of military and technical support. russia denied any deals with iran, muscular because muslims grades the military. industrial complex in russia can work perfectly fine. it doesn't need any one's assistance, whereas the ukrainian military industry does not basically exist and is being assisted by the western industry and western companies. the united states, the largest supplier weapons to ukraine,
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said they had no evidence that their weapons were being diverted, and they, and other nato aligned countries promised to continue supporting ukraine or russia and iran has been allied for years. iran has confirmed sending drones to russia, but says the deliveries took place months before the ukraine war began in february . the 2 are partners in the syrian conflict. ration our power and fights is supported by iran. some mentor, bashar assad, grip on power. on the diplomatic front president vladimir putin has promised to help her on join the shanghai cooperation organization. that's a security block created to counter western influence in central asia. and moscow has turned to to run for help to bypass western sanctions. ah, well let's bring in our guests now and from moscow puddle falcon. how he's a defense and military analyst from oxford. frank led which as
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a senior lecture and military strategy and law at the university of portsmouth and from miami. kenneth scotsman is a senior fellow at the so found center. that's a non profit organization focusing on global security challenges and foreign policy of a warm welcome to all of you puzzle. let's start with you. we've got the u. s saying that russia and iran now have a full fledged defense partnership. is this true? what does it look like? oh, but there have been increased, it kind of exchanges, and apparently russia has been purchasing. so marianne weapons maybe with one more. but this is not the defense alliance. it's up to now arrive. there are women did operation kind of trade, russia buying drones and maybe a shopping for a written may size. of course,
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russian industry can produce marseilles. maybe even some of them would be better than those that are produced by iran, but the number of ordinance used in ukraine is so large. the russian defense industry cannot produce enough and buying market cheaper, more and be more primitive. but iranian missiles could help russian operations. again, there's the problem of ordinary artillery ordinance where russia struggling to compensate was it's using in the field. so this is a kind of very pragmatic relationship. it has not yet developed enough into a full kind of alliance at russia still is balancing in the middle east, iran against israel. and i think you have good relations with both. so it may be moving in that direction. but it's not yet there. ethan thing will certainly return
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to the regional relations in just a moment. kenneth, for the moment i want to get you a response to that. do you think that this is a full fledged to fund defense partnership, or is it just limited in scope at the moment? to russia topping up a few of its trained supplies from iran. thank you very much for inviting me, coming to from sunny miami beach here. i think it's heading that way. certainly heading to a full fledged partnership. it's, you know, we're has been involved in or around civilian nuclear program to generate electricity. obviously russia was a major backer of the or nuclear deo in 2015 does not longer on tab and nuclear weapon. so i think moscow draws the line of giving taylor on any knowledge or any. busy busy our scientific help, $550.00 we're on, we're to try to gain a nuclear weapon per se. but the russia certainly willing to deal with there were
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on or missiles, drones combat aircraft. russia were, you know, supplied the army in combat systems in the early ninety's. and now that weaponry that a rom has, is old, it needs to be modernized and replaced, and are cheiron is certainly looking to moscow to replace sol that weaponry or mr. kirby. jack kirby a. m. s. c said that russia's training iran on new combat in raft. i think the su coy, 35, and so it, it, it's expanding, the relationship is expanding, and it could bring iran into conflict with nato, where i work with the united states. which of seeking to prevent, ah, russia, from acquiring additional weaponry to, to hit you claim with a frank group of names that institute of science and in fashions, security, excuse me, reporting that at least a 1000 new drains are on their way to russia from iran plus short range,
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ballistic missiles, it seems that everyone agrees that there is this exchange going on except for iran, iran, and insisting that it's not a noun, he joins that provided well before the ukraine wolf started. why is it so adamant that is not supplying russia with these weapons? although i expect guts presentational regions both internally and externally. but anyone can see with the evidence and see the evidence of their own eyes, the tones, the some missiles are being used on, if not in a daily, but 2nd weekly basis and very large numbers are large. i think the rain is gonna make to like a bit further. i think the both kind of unpopular because one accepts everything they say and agrees with them. but the, it's a little bit more, i think, in just a sort of relationship of trade. her we have arranged so called advisors now is competence centers, competence. certainly some have been killed by the ukraine is in crimea and the
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aviation elements this is really quite crucial regional in the middle east to it's going to upscale and up on the iranian air force to level it we've not seen really sincerely power your response to that and, and do you accept that there are rainin combatants in crimea? you bring in say are, again, that's not being confirmed, that there were not so much combatants, that there were advisors and of course right now and crimea, there is no real combat yet that waste and they were instructing russian person. now how to use your in tag drones. that's my main mostly, maybe possible way. i mean, i don't know for sure, but it's quite possible. this isn't kind of for me another step. been the 2 countries working more together to military's working more together. but again,
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they're still differences in between russia and iraq on other many issues. they agree and supporting assad regime, but about israel, they have very different opinions. and so this is kind of their lack of agreement zones of lesser agreement. they're, they're complimenting each other with weaponry. it's not may be the best off the show for weaponry, but for russia it's very important. rearming, uranian air force. again, that's important, but that's russia right now. have that much a sphere in the military industrial capacity to really re arm iran when it's struggling to compensate the losses already in the ukrainian conflict. that's again another, an open question and kenneth, just to pick up on frank the other point there. and you mentioned the sequoia
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earlier and b a ra iran is receiving according to the u. s. advanced military and technical support and defense systems as the coin fighter plane within the year. if that is the case, how is it going to tip the balance of power regionally? well, that so you know, difficult to assess, you know, around is still in terms of conventional weaponry. i'm not talking about missiles, i'm not talking about drones. talking about major combat systems, iran is pretty deficient to mean as i said, they haven't really re armed, modernized since the early ninety's. they really have no capability to cross lodge waterways such as the persian gulf. ah, they're the ability to attack on the ground. wish armor is quite limited. so i, i, i don't see it really affecting the balance of power. what has affected the balance of power is iran zone indigenous capabilities in terms of missiles?
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so, you know, obviously around as the is assessed as having the largest missile arsenal in the, in the reach of pretty much and obviously we all see what they're doing with, with arm drones. so, tremendous capability way beyond what was expected some years ago and, and missile accuracy devastated the saudi oil infrastructure in 2019, where the missile strike could droned, also on drones were involved. so i don't extra russian weaponry including combat aircraft is going to make much difference there still, you know, she compared to the israeli air force, you know, this is, this is not a match and is really air force is just much more proficient. obviously. frank, even if the actual hardware and the patent, the technology itself isn't going to make much difference to the balance of power are so thought to be careful, doesn't it? because saudi, and especially is rather incredibly sensitive about any support given to iran. it's
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a, it's quite a difficult type will that rational being wilkin ha, yes, absolutely. and that, that israel, russia axis is, is important. and of course that's annoying, let's say, to put it mildly new crane's mom, israel so that it will not provide military credit to ukraine. on some question as to whether or not some, some things, but that axis is vital. i think it was politically in, in israel to lesser extent, in russia. let's want to come back something kind of start those in finally right course. but i think we should also look at the ukranian angle, the new drum, so the new loitering, munitions, or cruise missiles or whatever you want to call them the couple more free, new terms that are being investigated, rush to mark, as well as the all shockey or not all the shy 136, and they've already caused a great deal of damage with the new ones are really going to change the threat by the threat of the threat profile for the ukraine is going to make a major difference to them and put you 20 people under further threat of them is
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a ratio. i wouldn't turn to play the importance really of this new transmission if you like, of military materials. i think it's really important to the balance of conventional forces in ukraine, particularly in the air. and that shouldn't be underplayed, it's going to cause a very great degree, a step change actually, i think in the problems ukrainian defenses, it's a really important move, particularly those are 2 and a ballistic missiles get through. now it's going to take a while for them to do so, but, but i'm almost certain they will. and yet, and do you think, frank, that these new weapons, these are joint is in miss, ours are going to be made in russia or in conjunction between iran and rush, as reports suggested. right, there are signs. yes. that the, that the russians are essentially going to be licensed to build some of these things and who's evidence already discovered by ukrainian tolerance, that some of the shar heat, the shaheed sort of delta when growing. so we've seen that the law of moses,
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i called, they have a century reconstructed in russia. so it does look as if that's already happening. i'm no doubt at all. it will continue to do so, but i think it's puzzles already said. russian industry is already under great deal of pressure and there is a question as to whether they have the capacity to so take on a new lines. it's like a construction puzzle. and do you agree with that? do you see these new weapons coming in from iran? as being significant enough for put in to make some big changes and ukraine on the battlefield. oh, not on the battlefield. the net tank kenya a targets in their ear as michaud a big and the targets and targets a so kind of soft targets. like in our power stations and so on and industrial plants, i mean fixed big targets. yes. there are. we're going to be a there's, there will be there have an impact on basically these that that drowns,
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were developed to kind of swarmed these rarely the air defenses. ahead attack is really set these large numbers and that's why they're kind of primitive, it cheap, but it should be sent in large numbers and used against ukrainian cities and ukrainian targets. yes, they'll have an impact, though on the battlefield. most likely their effectiveness. i mean of actually eroding the ukranian bad read back the readiness of ukrainian combat troops most likely much worse. so of course, so, so if the, if we're ballistic missiles arrive, arrive, that could you al, russia to increase the barrage of miss sounds again on it. korean targets in the rear ukrainian cities and ukrainian or industrial plants, power stations. so this, it won't have, or
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a give russia additional kind of armament weaponry and their to box, though most likely it will not mid item the wrong think it's going to actually tilt the balance of power and change the course. so the conflict, but it could have a very serious effect. what really could change very dramatically what may happen in the middle east. if russia actually move moves from balancing between israel and the rom into moving into the reunion camp and with russian forces still deployed and syria, including fighter jets and miss of the frances and missiles of that it could be a very significant change. and there's, there's actually a possibility for us to change a science. there are with the red, russia, israeli, got military confrontation, was like we,
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everyone would want to avoid that button. that's right. now kind of a possibility. and this could change a lot in the middle east. kenneth isn't abroad, not making a very big gamble hair by increasing the impacts that russia can have in ukraine is going to bring it into direct confrontation with nato. and is that a confrontation? it is willing to take on well, i made i was in iran expert, i've been a little bit. so my base case was a little bit too correct. you know, the supreme leader alley combinations, usually a good judge of power relationships and he usually calculates correctly and i'm a little bit surprised that he's cast his die in with this loser and moscow. mr. bowden, who is basically isolated to free, basically defeated and ukraine. i mean, he keeps redefining his objectives, but basically, but defeat and he's going to lose more cities in the east and he's going to lose
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his army, doesn't want to fight. they just want to survive and go back to their wives. they have no interest in grabbing any more ukrainian territory. putin is lost, he may even be overthrown. and i'm surprised that the supreme leader alley company has put his chips on this, losing a gambit on the roulette wheel here. it's ridiculous, sir. and anne, yes, he asked he risks more. u. s. navy searches of his ships coming out of the gulf. he risks mister netanyahu was coming back to power in israel, or urging mister biden, nor agitating to strike iranian nuclear facilities to conduct more assassinations of iranian scientists. inside iran, i had missed the company is really risking a lot and gaining very, very little here, which is a little bit surprising to me. frank, a you with a surprise, you agree with that assessment? well,
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absolutely. and there is that there is another so much less significant. ext is, i mean it's so the operating axis it's worth considering what's important to the israelis. and that's their ability to conduct their strikes into syria for which they require the largest of russia to, to do so without casualties. so that, that's a factor, but i don't think it's a, it's a strategic fact. come on, operational one. i would, i might my concern, it goes back deep now until the last decade or so. so we have, if you like, if we can, if we look back, you seem very close cooperation, military level between these powers. i suspect that driven a lot of this and both both my colleagues and express that fear if you like, of a, of an increasing if not an alliance and a relationship with the americans. but it does seem that that's the direction of travel. that's the escalator. if you like, where on with some brakes like that, israeli russian problem in syria. so all of this military exchange and
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it seems to violate the terms of the 2015 nuclear agreement, russia as well, but stopped helping revive that agreement since the february invasion. why is that? well, for sure. sure. one is that we are for the agreement, it's a good thing on the road, the west, and primarily the americans are not, don't want to happen. and they spoil under president donald trump and they are the because everything right now, bad in the world. but the russian diplomats are placing on the americans. so that's kind of the russian position. i don't think right now the iran and actually is that important right now for russia, the crown, when there's no and gauged in what's happening in ukraine with increasing sanctions, with sanctions and russian oil. i mean,
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they're great. so full of the right now are not really that much engaged in the arena problem, at least the top leadership of court. heather specialists that work on that, but the top leadership booth, and i don't think that he's all the time. so thinking about the ra, it's not a pleasure i want to bring in right on the order i should jump in there because i'm interesting to think on to see or opinion on how much priority. how does iran prioritize the j. p. j. c. p. away itself? i mean, it seems to be jeopardized further jeopardizing it and does it have any faith in it doesn't want to continue negotiations with the west to revive it or is that just given up? well, with this like, that's totally something that can be solved by 2 comments on myself. i'm not an expert on iran or the military capability aspect. but as a general commentator,
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i would think be very poor i did for iran to pull even further away from the j p. o a particularly as i was kind of against the context of netanyahu. oh, kind of thing. do you agree with that? well, i mean, i think they were, you know, they had several chances are came very, very close to an agreement and iran pulled back each time with new demands which the united states couldn't meet. so obviously, i think around doesn't see it as that vital anymore. first of all, they were afraid that mister bible might not be re elected in the next president, may come in and cancel it again. they would be asked to dismantle all this nuclear infrastructure that they dismantled once and then built back up after mr. trump left and then take it away again. the sanctions relief. they're already selling, you know, almost a 1000000 barrels or least half a 1000000 barrels a day of oil to china. and they're not feeling the effective sanctions to the
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degree that perhaps they did before. the j p or in 2015 and they, they've got their smuggling roots and their deals lined up for revenue from china and others. and so they don't, don't feel any urgency to get back into the deal. but, you know, to, to comment on what's been said about mr. brewton. you know, i mean, on the dictators crossed the red lines of the united states of america, and that did not end well for them. and this will not end well for mr. poo either is my forecast. ok, and that will be our final thought. thanks very much for all of it to all of you for joining us today. people are going to her and moscow. frank led with an oxford and kenneth cats and that in miami. and thank you to so much for watching. you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website, this algae 0 dot com, the phone. gosh, do go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. they go to join conversation on twitter or at ha
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