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equally split between the teams, it really is deeply i will when this gentleman, argentina, tell me why do you think, why do you think argentina one? 031 of the things, why do you, how do you think's going to win the final, of course, that the, you know, to want, why are because they need to be on the go with products. they oak will do, they need to restart. the 3rd thoughts on total next to it. okay. first off will be here on sunday. will see a lot of support for argentina here. they do have one of the biggest fan bases here in dar huh. the embassy here says that somewhere between 35 and 40000 fans traveled from argentina. many more have travelled from countries around the world, argentina, and france both going for this 3rd world cup tie. so that fancy, pretty confidence. we'll have to wait and see who wins the match on sunday. ah!
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a few teams and thought their way through to the world. how do i know that who has what it takes to become a champion, argentina, and france will babble it out in the biggest worth event on the planet. the pry, the greatest trophy of all, and a chance to semester name in history. katara 2022. on al jazeera ah very thoughts locations and public confrontation, young people across the u. k, a, putting their bodies on the line to force attention on the issues that matter to them. meanwhile, u. k. government is clamping down and protest it considers disruptive and anti social with new rules and harsh consequences. welcome to generation change a global theories that attempts to understand and challenge the ideas that mobilize
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you around the world. today we meet to activists. he's different methods to push and lobby for change, whether it's direct action or engaging with the political system. they campaign or issues ranging from the climb emergency to migrant rights and the global arms trade mm hm. with the fatima you born in canada, the mahdi parents that you grew up here in london. what planted the seed of actors and what planted the seed for me was growing up in the early 2, thousands of the backdrop of the iraq war. everywhere you look media is talking about my firms and talking to people that looked like me. and i think that filled me with a lot of anger and kind of confusion and i became quite obsessed to politics if i
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didn't engage in politics was definitely engaged with me in my identity and setting the terms that i didn't know about topic. i think we were familiar with the term climate crisis of climate emergency but you spoken about climate justice. what do you mean when you talk about for a long time? we've talked about climate change as an environmental issue, but climate change is a symptom of a system breaking down and not working and responsible for a lot of other injustices. so whether we're talking about racial injustice, whether we're talking about the housing crisis, or inequality at the heart of it is an economy that prioritize us profit and profit for the few. and then is plundering people on private. so we have the same companies who are responsible for the vast majority of emissions are also responsible for poor working conditions and low wages. they're also responsible for
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not paying taxes and who has to pick up the bill people. so when we talk about climate justice, we talk about building a hopeful vision of the future. that means we can tackle other social injustices in the pursuit of talking environment. tech people would say that there are many climate movements that the main, the way to fight against the climate crisis. say, where did you see a gap? the you organization green you do rising in g and d rising. we haven't better than analysis of things that the client hasn't necessarily gotten right. one of them is no time limit for a long time, has been white and middle class. and we all know in order to beat something as big as climate change, we need everyone. and so how do we include everyone? what if we've built an economy that's the only priority was to serve people in planet. we would have an economy that invested in communities that built wealth for communities that lived within planetary boundaries because we're investing and
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renewables and public transport. and that's what we're doing at greenville rising as we're talking about the green new deal, which is an economic transformation that allows us to thrive in the future and tackle climate change. the other thing that's super different about what we're doing is for political or main tactic is to find m p 's and hold them accountable and tell to challenge them and to film them so that we of them on record. and when we put them on line, you know, it's up to the electra to decide whether these people are for us and against us. there's not much in a few places that i find on for he, one of our most popular challenges is when we challenge pretty patel. the former home secretary who's passing upon to kind of offshore refugees and migrates to rwanda for processing. and we went to a fundraising dinner, she was hosting and disrupt to that, that engage with. and actually it wouldn't
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viral. and i think a lot of people looked at it and ask themselves, why are climate activists talking about migration? things like the rwanda plan are just a distraction to get us to be angry at migrants. people who just want better lives and opportunities. instead of being angry at a political class, that is just taking more and more from working people and giving us lesson return to your dad is probably still in your mom is rocky, but you were born and bred in the u. k. how did your family story and background your well be? well, for my family, we were actually the only ones from both sides of family to ever come for western country. so most of my bad somebody where i live in georgia and the next style and
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all of my mom's family were living in iraq. so when you go up here, we have that kind of background. it's very difficult, not reflecting us as a young person. what was your 1st kind of experience of activism and doing the type of work the day? so i was researching into my university and i said, quite divestment and sanctions campaign. i got many students and academics on board and then later went on to replicate their other universities and this really laid the foundation for, for what later was formed as palestine action. ah, he home, you know that about palestine action, what lead teach wants to start it? so i'm action is a dire talk to me that what and our main focus on our main target is albert systems,
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which is the largest thompson. and specifically, it was started because all of the avenues to bring an arms embargo between britain had failed, including through the political process, through labor, specifically which i was involved in. and when every other fails, then die with action was to be left open for us. so we started off by initially storming into that headquarters in london, stay financing across the offices, and kept going back again and again. and eventually more people joined our, our network. so one of that master factories and all of them was supposed to sell must have a loss and they were forced to abandon their london headquarters so far as we want to continue to grow this movement until all of our sites are shut down in this country. can you explain why it's chosen for some elbow systems may produce the vast majority of a military jo,
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plates. and we've seen how this is used on the cuts of population of gaza, routinely. they market them as battle tested or compact, proven, and then use cell on to other regimes across the world. they've been used against the people of customer, for example, iraq, afghanistan, and many other places also against refugees here who are trying to seek safety in this country. they also build electronics for the apartheid wall. the same system is being used between us and mexico. so we can see how it starts off in palestine and others use against other people across the world. can you explain exactly what risks you run yourself in order to carry this out? we were quite heavily targeted, i think at the start of palestine action. and we saw that followed up by raise on our homes the the co founder says include thing, arresting, richard bernard's, and of the co founder of blackmail. i asked that he said that he would go on hunger
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strike if the landlords did not fix albert's and they did continue to charge several of those bars that so f facing charged the black mal conspiracy to commit some damage and to say to burgle. but guessing arrested is kind of part of the plan, but it's not the end of the process is i'd say in the court process in itself is an extension of the action. and it's where we can try and force the company to basically give out information that they would not normally give out. but you are running a real rich and you know, get of going to prison. if this continues to operate, you know, more, more lives are going to be taken. and so i'm more than willing to accept the prison . as a consequence, i will still be a lot better off than most people who have to you at the end of these lessons. to kick things off, i just want to ask in the country so many big changes. do
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you think that young people are disillusioned or do you think they are politically engaged? active, what's your opinion at the moment? i think both, i think young people are disillusion that i'm one of them. but we are also political. i think we're in this period, we're actually social activism and social movement. i've never been more active than imagine it's heavy, but it's the political elite and you know electoral politics. but i think it's once disillusioning young people because we have a electoral system in a voting system, not a is not representative, but also put people in bold action. they want their economy to work for them in their communities. they want action, climate change. they want investment in our public services. the only reason we survived the pandemic where people, because of frontline service workers, i thought we all agreed jordan pandemic, that those are the people that should be at the heart of our communities. they are the people that we should be investing in. and the only reason it's bold action is
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because we still have in place political leaders who somehow haven't caught up with a consensus. the factors is that many people are disillusioned with a political system. but i think i'll weigh more political than, than ever before because the political system and the whole politics has failed. so many people, and i think situation have call been and labor on a lot of young people into politics. and they felt like that was very cool. for teams, and when not didn't work for myself, at least i opened i to realizing that we cannot afford to invest our time into a system that wasn't design service. but that doesn't mean that there isn't ways that we can be politically active and change our society through the grass roots rather than through appealing to the powers that be to create those changes for us . i mean, i would say that i don't see social movements being successful unless they have a political weight. and so it's not about whole. so giving up on electoral ism or
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politics, it's about trying to use the power of social movements from the grassroots to kind of course that change and we see it happening around the world. actually in latin america, we're seeing the hopes of that sort of political wing of progressive politics starting to take power. you know, if you look at chalet, for example, and while we had that defeat in 2019 with corbin's labor, i do see, you know, i'm pragmatic. enough to see that there is another way into power. we just need to build stronger movements. i think the climate change. it may be slightly different and you're right, you do need a complete overhaul of the system which will require the state and the government to get behind it. but i think when it comes to m. c, imperialism, and politics in support of the policy and people. then jeremy call been with an exception. i believe what we've had for the past 100 years of successive governments and no politician in this country has ever shut down a non respect today. whereas people have,
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but if you'll maintenance are quite young, they were founded around 2019, which was just before the table pandemic. and then, you know, we've had the war in ukraine. when you look at all of those issues on the outside, how do you think they've impacted your work and what you're trying to achieve? so we started an interesting time in 2019. it was a time where it was kind of the kind of activism around climate change. i don't think i've ever seen before. you had, you know, extinction rebellion. we had the climate strikers. you had the u. k. announcing the 1st sort of net 0 target by 2015 in the world. and then early in 2020, a pandemic came, people were suddenly talking about government intervention. we're talking about investment instead of austerity. we're talking about building back a better, not going back to the economy, pretty pandemic. and coming out of the pandemic, we had the korean war, which put stressors across europe, particularly on energy supply. and what we thought was the u. k announced new north
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sea oil and gas, and that's put us in a really difficult position because investing a new fossil fuel infrastructure doesn't help us meet or meet our energy needs now . and it doesn't lower energy builds, but it also just puts us in perpetual crisis because the climate crisis is not going anywhere her id feel about all of the big events and half in recent years and how that directly impacting what you're doing. yes sir, for some context we launched at the end of july 2020 and then in may 2021. this is when we saw bruce and i saw some people guys, people being for the homes and and jerusalem. and we saw a massive increase in people following and joining palestine action and supporting the cause during that time. and there was a fact a full activity had climbed onto the top of the reef all that factory in lester. and within a couple of hours, hundreds from the local community came out,
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support those activities. and then we saw the fire service pull out and says, and refuse and faith, the place that we will not meet these protesters. so for as it was about going straight to these arms companies, specifically albert systems and bypassing the political process. and that strategy also exposed the fact that this company exists here. because many alms companies, they kind of hides in plain sight in these factories and industrial towns that you wouldn't know what was between that one. the one next door which bills toys for children. and we found it to be extremely successful. well as before, we had never seen that type of success and for thing, the closure of israeli factories in this country 2022. so people across the u. k, they think touring in place and, and a rapidly rising cost of living prices. that thought process and strike in one in
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just 3 after another quarter, we're still trying to work as the dockers enjoy. and i want to know what works if you think about how far it is that you should be able to go in terms of getting your points across. and i think it's different for different movements. so for the change is that bread and butter in order for them to gain their right to my salary, the device, so they to serve as workers, then it's necessary for them to the through ups. the tray line. i think palestine action is quite different though to odds extinction. volume's tactics mainly because expansion buying more focus on the sub thing at the public as a whole, as a way of forcing pressure on the government. in order to enact that, the, the radical change needs on the climate where was for rise, we are more focused on directly to obtain the companies which are producing weapons . so there was less impact on the public. i was just, i just had that arguably,
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ballast and action goes a step further than extinction. rebellion smashing up your conference rooms causing damage to the property. so how do you justify that? well, when, where it's matching up an alms company, where stopping their ability to produce weapons. and i think many people would agree that you cannot put a price on one human life. you can put a price on a window or a, a factory or a reef, for example. and that should never come at the cost of human life. if you saw a child with a human being about to be her and you had to knock down a door in order to help them knock out the door down without hesitation. and that's exactly the same principle. do you have anything that you would add? yeah, absolutely. i am a student of social movements and we often are taught a white washed version of whether it's martin luther king or gandhi,
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or the women's rights movements. huge parts of those movements took direct action that really did a stop daily life going on for people or politicians. and so we're going to made movement that take a variety of different actions and the fact that we're in a day and age where we think striking workers removing their labor as being extreme . well, who said we have a right over their labor, right? if we're not creating a conditions that are fair for them to work and why should bay knock down their tools? and so i've been really inspired to see the union leaders that have been on our televisions, articulating the fears and hopes of ordinary working people. oh, in 2022, the u. k. government brought in legislation to combat heat view as disruptive protect now and you probably ought to bill going through parliament wants to introduce even harsher rule. we will also increase a maximum penalty for disrupting
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a motorway criminalized interference with key infrastructure such as rows, railways, and our free press. and here's the please. i'm the coolest new power. it's not a human rights to vandalize property. it's not mine. freedom of expression to protest. finally, no, you can't just start a riot or glue yourself to the road and get away with it. quitting hudy's makers a threat longstanding, democratic freedom, the government that they are needed because recent protest by a minority of active, it have been dangerous draining public funds and diverting police resources. what do you think about these new noah's and bills in the effect? they'll have a do you think it will impact the way you move forward? i think people embracing for a long time used to thank authoritarianism, was the domain of certain countries when actually, you know, britain has exercised it around the world for a long time. and now and here at home and trying to curtail protest on one side,
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it shows that we're being impactful because actually the, the government is needing to legislate on specific types of protests. on the other hand, i think a lot of people are worried. i've just seen in spaces when we're talking about protests and thinking about the type of actions that we are planning these bills factor written they factor into who's willing to take these actions. it is an incredibly hostile moment for our movements, but this is the moment we can let them win because it becomes the new norm. and then therefore, we're unable to sort of call back any rights if we let that become something that's accepted and are you running? those are already running the risk of things and the present and how you feel about all of this happening. because a lot of our tactics already based around direct action i'm already criminalized the new builds are effective, was that much, but actually the more they try and repress, i'm put on new laws and new bells. i think the more people will actually move
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towards more radical types of actions. we saw recently at the anti mana k protest, people getting arrested for just shouting slogans like who elected them if you can face arrest for that, then why don't get arrested for shutting down and arms company. i think that's what they are. what they've done as the 2 ends up back lashing and help our movements work. the government says that these bills are necessary because guerrilla tactics used by small minority of pretest is of course, disproportionate impact on the hardware majority seeking to go about the everyday life. what you make the argument we looked at for the breakdown, the climate, and in order to get the message across that for him to a situation where that falls into blocking the general public, then it's for the great tickets. i think when people take more drastic action, it's in response and wrong and blaming those activists. we have to blame the government who didn't act fast. just to be kind of illuminate
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a bit more we did. we did an action over the summer where we disrupted the hustings of the conservative party who were trying to choose their new leader. and i disrupted the speech of less trust. you should be to see the her reaction in that moment as i was being dragged away was i will make sure that militant activists such as extinction rebellion and not able to disrupt the ordinary people who what caused do the right thing again and what they want to create a situation where the government of the day decides what they think is fair, what they like. who are the good guys, who are the bad guys? democratic societies don't work like that. democratic societies are one to allow for there to be debate that allows for people to have different opinions for people to organize and help determine that their future. and we're slowly sort of walking away from that kind of society into one that's governed by
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a few. if you could take a step back and imagine the world that you want to see, what is it that you want to see the future that you like? in the u. k, i won a a future where we a have a sort of democratic or nissan. some people are able to be involved in decision making and that decisions as a society are based on what benefit people benefit plan of over profit. what the timeline of climate change while it's gary. i think we have opportunity in this window to make sure that the way that we tackle the climate crisis is the one that has justice, that it's hard, but there is a risk, right? i think government will find a way to tackle climate change, but it's not secure about that. they're going to do it in a way that's fair. i think everyone now believes climate change exists in the mainstream, the fighters over how we tackle it, and we want to make sure we tackle it in a way that protects our communities. what you had, i mean, your future might involve time in prison. but if you were going to imagine that the
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assets use it, we're going to pay off. how would it look? well, i think the obvious 1st one would be and i'm to, is also shave and return i. many people are rather glad is one of the world's largest export of some of a tiny islands. and so, so much roots back to head. so i think it has to be a massive overhaul of that whole industry and for that kind of thinking and tactics to be transported to other countries. and then i believe, you know, hopefully even our lifetime because if we palestine before that that then we need sanctions and the governments are going to do it. so the people have to do it themselves at fatima thank you so much for speaking with me today.
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