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champion argentina and frank battle it out in the big 4th event on the planet. the pry, the greatest trophy of all, and a chance to semester name in history are 2022. on how does the ira somali on the brink of collapse for decades, the fragile nation has been plagued with problems on multiple front, from conflict with the militant group out back to climate change to food and water crises. the country has been caught in what seems to be an endless cycle of devastation. current president has been shaped my food, who was also somalis, president from 2012 to 2017, has said that he's committed to rebuilding the nation. but what does this mean for countries that still burden with conflict and humanitarian issues? and with a looming feminine in the president, bring about some form of stability. i left the president hasn't shake my mood himself in upfront special,
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the president assessing shift must move. thank you so much for joining us on upfront. thank you, mr. president. somali is in crisis. chabad has continued its deadly attacks. the country is facing its worst drought in 40 years and close to half of the country's population. more than 7000000 people faces acute hunger. the number show that the current crisis could surpass the famine of 2011, which saw more than a quarter of a 1000000 people die of starvation. you still haven't declared a famine yet officially. that would allow humanitarian a to flow in to the country. why? first of all, yes, years widely explicit. so my there as multiple crisis bliss that's true regarding the drought that are there to see this, that out. now we have to fix them. but with effort to of the so my la government and with the support of international community right now,
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i can see temporarily we are, but it does have mean that is not fair. mean right now, but still that it risk is looming. i am not claiming that somebody is free from the risk of having for me, but with the generosity of the international community with the support of some other people. right now we are, but that, i mean, but it's still the challenges i had and it's there. i mean, you say looming, we're, we're in the winter now within a few months. we could be seeing a family of 4 foot family. no, no, i don't believe so on the reality in the ground right now. the amount of food available in the country, the amount of food, the spirits, to beautify throughout there is no immediate fair mean or crisis on risk right now or the next one month or 2 months. if there were some who estimated that your initial reason, your initial reluctance to declaring a famine was less about knowing that it could be averted in more about not wanting
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to redirect funds that would have otherwise been directed toward a long term development projects. what would you say as a president of somalia, recently elected on the 6 months i'm in the office? the 1st thing that i did was appointed special envoy for the drug victims to get a support and raise the awareness of the international community under. don't notice how the situation is and that's what made that somalia has got a lot of support from the outside world. and that's what i am saying that we averted the immediate family right now. that's number one. number 2, i want to tell you that in my office where i off on the 3 priorities right now, one is the water, this is tara, the 2nd is the humanitarian issue. the 3rd is the debt relief completion point of the big saw for us the humanitarian us, which is the top top priorities from earlier. and we're doing a lot of work on that by mobilizing the local resources as well as the
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international consortium. and that's what a birth defect mean this been about connecting this people who are to predicting months or will that family will take places, somali and right now the indicators are certainly there and you're saying that you averted it because of support. what kind of work talked a little bit more about the type of support you receive in a situation like that. there was an agenda and images, emergency supplies. i didn't supplies we, i appointed a special invoice, was stablish it. so monday, just a management agency that's in charge of that. and then the important supplies that we are receiving is number one foot, and number 2 is money to raise those food items that saves the life on all the live saving a part of us is employees. i'm not denying that there is a risk of, i mean, in the future, but right now, the risk of some of their somali has been labeled as a fragile state. it's annette, not just now that's really been on and off. uh,
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since presidency had batteries, military government was overthrown in 1991, which of course led to state collapse. frank with some of the worst years in your country's history. today, the country appears at the top of the organization for economic cooperation and development, fragility framework. your state is classified as extremely fragile, given the situation on the ground right now. is some molly in danger of collapsing again? well, air fessor fall and being authoritative state is not the specific for so maya, there are many countries. so miley, as a struggle it and went through a long way to come up or to come out of the field state that it was for a long time. and now we are in for a tele state and we're moving forward to model that you're going to get out of food . what is going on right now, but like a, that relief progress that we've made and we are going out of the head process in the coming months or so by having establish it all the political stability that
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transferred the power peaceful from one system from one total to another, to another, not one time to time to re times. so these are indicated that somebody's moving out of rigidity. or, i mean to be clear that the move from fail to fragile is more about a change in language, then an actual improvement just in terms of the framework itself, just for the audience has benefit. they've simply change the language that they use are what the idea that you're still so high up despite certainly some improvement. has many people concerned, or you've talked about some of the things you're doing a steve off complete state failure. talking a little bit more though, about the type of economic insecurity moves you have to make. there's a genuine concern in i think a reasonable one, a well founded one that you're still on the verge. look, we wants to see the war. clans, fighting against glad goober functions and instructions, we want all through this, but we are out of now. now the only conflict we had is with the terrace to groups.
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yes. as society in everywhere that are local level conflict to see it on there, but not do killing a lot of people are dying. a lot of people violent conflict it now in somalia is the extent of mr. could fight. and so let's talk about that because you declared total war yes. on algebra. and you've been very clear unequivocal about that, of course, that they'll try to link group. oh, they currently controlled 20 percent of the country. they also were functioning shadow government and they have not ceased their recruitment, your country's instability, but economically and socially is really linked in it's cited as one of the motivating factors for me, people joining the group. so help me understand how you will address the root causes that allow in astra bab to exist in the 1st place. well, my dear friend over the way i again, i said that he's talking about the yesterday. we are not doctor about to day to day . so my dad,
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the main discussion going on is post achumba. what before we get to post out about they're actively recruiting. i want to make sure because i'm in the areas that will be fighting for ever wor, no, no, just a minute. when we said a total war, we have some new approaches introduced now against the war on shabbat. and we are showing all indicated that we are succeeding and shabby school to end. why shabbat existence 1st them in this to that that's a long history. this is the trailer that was that show up everywhere, all over the world, wherever you see there is a terrorist group, florida. shes. that's where the state is not existing on this week or for a general. what have you said? so might want a time where there was, might state at all, that it was a breeding ground for this people. they call it over the world for and is that there? yes, but what about people who are unfortunately not present? how do we know that? that's not the case. now, the rude. you said the rude you citizen, there are people who are in the tourist group for ideological reason, that i have people there for economic reasons that are people and therefore having
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grievances or other grievances, social, and clan systems on all this, have this groups to get together but the core group is the ideological group that us make all this work together. so my, the and i was in a position that we have the, you cannot have eloquence edition without function state institutions. we start to now to have the functions. if somebody is in agreement with a politically, we have the platform to meet that belief. country conciliation. this is going on right now. it is, i don't doubt that you leave this platform. you've been very articulate about what the platform is, particular the ideological and the economic levels up. might it not be an overstatement though, to say that you're winning the war? they still control 20 percent of the country. they're still actively recruiting. i think your, your plan may be success also. there's the moment they are not actively recruiting now. and you said that to control 20 percent of the country. they were controlling
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80 percent of the country to d. you know, shove up, cannot move in freely in everywhere with cut all the lines that they were supplying among them. and what areas do they no longer control for estate as they were? we are 5 status and so my land lease on my land for estate of the current federal republic of somalia was 80 percent controlled by a chop up. now there are almost 2 states are almost going to be free from a shop in weeks time. the other 2 states are serious, but banishes would go on. so this is the reality to be in the ground. 2 major, it's federal member states at boone to be free from a shop in weeks time. you also asked the united states, which has re deployed a small number of troops to the country to loosen restrictions on drone strikes. the use of draws, of course, isn't new, but these are draw straits remains very controversial. targets are often difficult to discern civilians are frequently killed during attacks. that according to many
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organizations cooling human rights, watch an amnesty international. why would your government call for more drawn strikes that could very likely kill innocent civilians? well, it experience always has a learning curve. yes, it had been those strikes in the past in some parts of so many other civilian victims. that had been that as we started, the current can be now. there is no inequality on side or side effected or in the civilian infant based on the experience and the restrictions there on the draught. the or breaking the door is not a free free lunch so that everybody can do whatever he wants. restrictions and procedures that, that in place and we are participating what, what are those procedures because when we look at the door section of ghana, stan in pakistan in somalia in yemen are just anyway, it was a john strikes, was he civilian casualties that there seems to be other homes. wow. one of the roadies flags were successful without having the civilian casualties. you know,
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the kind of war we are in. i'm not claiming that and i'm seeing that will not take police, but we are doing all the necessary precautions. why avoid our water? i it is not in the whatever the wobbly say it here, but we are doing all the necessary precautions to our boy is civilian casualties. and the for the last 6 months that this approach is going on, we succeeded that we don't have civilian casualties as to now, or we'll have to see the investigations on that and make sure that that's the case . it again, it, it seems hard to believe what you've actually caught to loosen restrictions. so you're saying that you don't or you can to make sure that the no civilian casualties at the very same time that you're calling to loosen restrictions on on draw strikes the restrictions of the very thing that limits the vision. capt civilian casual. no. and that is 6 years of torment. it's not though we are not losing those restrictions that protective is a feel of judgment. there are others. we look at foster children specifically which one. i'm not going to discuss it in public. please give call to loosen restructure
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that you've publicly corporate, and we are not losing the restriction. is that risk is the life of civilians pd? i understand that with a 2nd lawyer it asked me the military receptionist, please. but you publicly call for these researches to be loosened, what are you calling for? and the restrictions are not the restrictions on that affected the civilian casualties. so these restricted that you probably called for are private in military theory military? yes, it's a military research. this for related on the military operations, not listed as soon as that affected civilian, the civilian security. no. um, so you probably call for restrictions that you can't publicly explain what they are . yes, i insist. okay, let's talk about the past decade. government and international partners have funded klan malicious and in the fight against algebra to get to that push chabad world you're talking about. but there are multiple reports of the group. the groups instead killing raping torturing civilians in their own communities and beyond them
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as this, didn't these klan malicious? i don't have this reports. i'm the person who have it. wow. the u. s. bureau of democracy, human rights and labor. i'll give you an example of claim militia. april may 14th 20215 members of a class militia, race r e women, and attempted to rape to others. the militia members were allegedly wearing s p. f, somali police force uniforms and working with mogadishu, the nile district administration. we've seen reports of gender based violence. we've seen militia and torture. there's a report here that says of torture and other call in human and degrading treatment or punishment at the hands of clam militias. some which are government affiliated remains frequent in 2021. we've also seen reports of klan militias, a be heading out about fighters. so if we see beheadings, if we see a malicious and torture rape, and hope, i hope that i find out you get these reports, my friends,
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which are readily available, have you hold them accountable for. so how do you explain that my friend, 22 and one also is the church of somalia. i would like you to ask me what i responsible. i'm each act of it. mistake has happened in the past and every shabba attack, everywhere that a, that they have the military uniform or to police uniform and these are available in the market. so i would have liked you. let us discuss the somali of today, or, or in the somali pit in the semi leave today. how will you hold those claim malicious accountable for what they've been doing consistently for the last 10 years. and don't they seem to be no evidence that they've that? no, it's all about how you approach the glen malicious and where the operate and how they operate. so how do you approach this is the klan militia, they are operating in their own klan territory. and the crown was yesterday longly their own people when there is a cleanser. unfortunately, they are not fortunate that they're doing this, that they're, they're working in their own communities, ambia. and that's not true. i deny that. and i would have liked further proofs to
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come up well in years that you haven't finished reports, but i'd like you to look at these reports in the u. s. bureau of democracy, human rights in labor. i think the war lee, you'll be able to see the also the united nations mission in somalia, the un office of commission for human rights. they talk about all of these things. the in the reports are contradicting which are say, but i say senior senior report, but i think you shouldn't mister president because these are urgent issues. and if you're going to address them, you say it's how you approach you are keeping me. you are keenly me with the, the, the fisher circle of the, so maddest, difficult thumbs in the past, we are moving forward. this does not mean that it will remain today, as it was to wanted to want to or even a decade ago. somebody's moving is progressing. we don't have such incidents right now and we're walking. i will, we will, i will not. we don't really not sure how you hold them accountable. ha. having to move forward. we need accountability. we need just as how do you hold those groups accountable for these actions? there was always systems that makes them accountable. those systems were weak with thank of him go systems where they are traditional or religious or illegal. we are,
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it's 3 different. all the systems in believe you can give me more detail about that because the what are the systems that are being strengthened? how are you shipping them, mobilizing our them is raising the it's not the, it's sort of the switch that but aware awareness raising doesn't stop. right, right. awareness raises the stop beheadings about about biters. it stops how it got to the beauties. the whole floor stops this thing, but where there is no hall floor, what are we going to do that there were okay, so what was lot, so are we saying your prosecuting is people? are we at where we're raising people wellness? have you been doing that now? there are people who are in the custody of the security forces and in the process of judicial, there is a special case that they will like to mention here in the city of georgia, the capital city of eligible and there was a man who we beat a woman, and we'll kill the secluded side of it, had been after him for a couple of months. the, the, they took him, his in custody, and his in the court of law right now. and in the coming days or weeks,
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there would be a judgement against him. so that's the one example only, but the, the security forces, the rule of law, a part of this are boon. after every single tis the cabinet right now that are cologne is all. there are people who make it illegal chip on the street and route to some people. they have been taken under the custody. they are going in the process of the role in the process of the court tried now talk to me or talk to me about refugees. more than 80000 people have fled somalia and arrived in kenya. the refugee camps over the past 2 years escaping conflict in drought. what resources are severely strained at these camps? as you will know, he kept house more than 200000 refugees and asylum seekers. those into deb are facing over crowded living conditions. there's a cholera outbreak there right now. what kind of cooperation have you set up with the canyon government, or support somali citizens there where this is
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a very painful reality? our people are that not only want now, but generations are in the refugee camps. now. people will bond, there are now, could this have good kiddies and so, so it's a variable painful reality that's there. and the only way out is solving the problem, the school problem of. so molly one is that solved, then people will come back. of course, there are number some parts of this people that for economic reason instead of food is economic refugees that are not all a scrutiny refugees, but we're working with a government of kenya. i visited kenya twice since then elected new president. one of the subjects that we were discussing is the refugee. we really appreciate and sympathised that the difficulties that kenya is facing because of this refugees. and it has been a ball knocked up with willing to take back out people. and that's why, but we cannot take back right now. but that's why we are going to make somalia free from i'll shut up. so maria,
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that the whole flu is upheld until miley are that all the challenge that existing is gradually improving. and so we are envisioning that those are just with combat and we are discussing right now you can imagine timetable for that professor for, you know, if he does, they have to come back voluntarily course and by coming back voluntarily, there have to be convincing and believe that going back is a better place than the refugee because it viji comes, they are getting some services, they have to good those services, they have to get the shortest of security. so even psychological, it took them visitors to people who take time. so taking time frame for that, but within 2 years we are expecting that the attorneys of the refugee is thought it do it a couple of years for all of them to come back. they may not come back all of them . but after 2 years, what we are expecting and planning is that they will start coming back. you stated
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recently that you want us to malia to be in inclusive and progressive society. you mentioned wanting strong democratic processes, you want accountability, you want transparency in the government up, but a key component of any society like that is a free press. in october, veterans, somali journalists abdullah at mid whitman, raised concerns about a new government directive, prohibiting quote, dissemination of extremism idiology messages. fearing that it could tacitly restrict free speech bookman who is the secretary general of the somali journalist syndicate was arrested journalists. and somali are often under threat when they criticize elsewhere. they're in a threat when they criticize the government. how will you address these kinds of issues if you're going to create the kind of progressive and inclusive somalia that you've articulated? well air freedom of expression is a fundamental principle for our air political thought under
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a democratic establishment that we wanted to put in place. yes, that fight against al bob. me take some o as 30 some, some people from our us. but what we are talking about budgeting, algebra, agenda, and propagating fights for mission misinformation regarding al shabba. that's what we have been talking but not at freedom of expression and not a free speech. it is not if we but, and abdullah, another movement was, was arrested quote for publicly disobeying a government directive in holding a press conference that criticized the directive. well that is a direct if it's a low and it's a legal framework and we'll know what was the directive, will no one, not propagating other shops, ideology, that was the main focus. and then how did he publicly propagate?
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if i was, if he, if he objected and rejected the directive, what does he mean? what do you think the directive is from? you can't promote out about it. how did he do that? he refused, the directed is, as you rightly said, now, he objected the directive. if you objected the directed, that means whether he's sticking free hand to propagate ideas on shabbat or it or, or he and challenging idea of, of a government restricting free speech. no, that's the difference that the directive is not the restriction of the good or free speech. that directive was not intended at all. and there are laws that protect the free speech. this directive was not against those loose. he has suffered violations of human rights. according to many good organizations, given the code the committee to protect journalists, including arbitrary arrest in detention, denial of fair trial rights, and restrict the restriction of his right to freedom of expression. he says he still faces threatened persecution,
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from somali authorities here to respond to that. if the, if these are there, these claims out of there, we have court this and we have rule of law systems. they have to go through the court system and go, everybody can be no one is above the law and we offer judiciary system that functions, let them go to the judiciary system. you've talked a lot about the post or else about somalia or what's your vision for the country? this is the one that you've been talking, chris until it democratic, so malia that uphold is all the direct principles that are applicable to our country and our society on our faith and the somalia, that is from violence had so much that self self sufficiency in many aspect this democratic samaya, which upholders the constitutionality. yes, still we are in the building of that society, but that's the vision was the president. thank you so much for joining me on opera . thank you. that is our show up. front will be back next week. ah,
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