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japan announce as its biggest military build up since world war 2. it wants to develop long range missiles. but what will this mean for the asia pacific region and japan's pacifist constitution? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. japan says the strategic challenge posed by china is the biggest, is ever faced. besides paging,

japan has 2 other nuclear arms neighbors and north korea and russia. it's expressed concerns about intensifying russian military activity in it's far east, even as moscow presses on with its war against ukraine. and the north korean missiles flew over japan in october. but took years military expansion plans are a reminder of an imperial past. when it occupied the korean peninsula and parts of china and seized all of east asia during the 2nd world war will go to our guests in just a moment. first, this report from frederick har. for decades, japan's post war military policy has been defined by its pacifist constitution. americans fight against japan. in the 2nd world, war killed millions and left the country in ruins. the us forced to accept restrictions to its military. we could never again threatened peace in the region, but 8 decades on the west now counts and japan as a crucial ally against a rising china and

a nuclear armed north korea. now japan wants to significantly increase its military spending $315000000000.00 in the next 5 years, or 2 percent of its g d p. the money is meant to rapidly expand its military, including acquiring long range missiles. japan's governing right wing liberal democratic party as pushed for more military spending and recent years. it could she might junior nco creek. i, as we look back on the past year for the 1st time in 5 years, a ballistic missile flew over estimate another land in japan's exclusive economic zone. we've also seen signs of preparation towards nuclear testing. the boundaries between confrontations and peace time military and non military are no longer clear . and historically, pacifist public appears to have shifted to russia's attack on ukraine has raised alarm and tokyo about territorial disputes. with moscow,

china's claims in the south china sea to are seen as an increasing threat. add to that list, beijing's military drills around taiwan earlier this year, in which some of the chinese missiles landed in waters close to japanese islands. and china's push for re unification with taiwan, japan for years this could choke off the shipping. they use for energy and port, bought china. and since japan must pursue diplomacy. if you had a major problem, japan's proposed defense policy, documented in disregard of fact, deviates from japan's commitment to bilateral relations and the consensus between china and japan and contains ground. a smears against china, china is firmly opposed to this. we have been making clear our solemn position with the japanese side through diplomatic channels. for decades, japan security was enhanced by the presence of u. s. bases. what concerned about doing the heavy lifting for its allies? washington has given its support for japan's planned military expansion. with north

korea flying missiles over japan, tokyo wants to get south korea on site to the 2 countries of pledge to mend historically poor relations. the korean peninsula was the victim of japan's militaristic expansionism a century ago on the subject of changing its pacifist constitution has caused concern. bought leaders in tokyo, insist the imperial era has long since passed, and japan must now look to rearm freddie a car for inside story. ah, well let's bring in our guests down and in thing a pool. katara tamora adjunct professor at lake one you school of public policy. he's also a former senator with japan's liberal democratic party intake in nancy snow communications director at the institutional security industrial in industrial council. she's also a foreign policy advisor to the japanese government and anti pe, david rossi,

resident professor of international politics at the hopkins managing center of i one welcome to all of you, a guitar. let's stop because this with you because this is a significant break, isn't it? of japan's long hell tradition of only having defensive weapons. is this japan abandoning its pacifist dance? well, you know, i think the last wall and the p fees, nothing back by law. japan think bond is pretty much bond me globin. i think china and we have gone in by, by the powerful neighbors like lasha know, scalia, china feasible, happens when you play. i think we are in the most challenging station since the law

school. so we need to push back to the new equitably. and the bomb the job we got to get about the boss is yeah. so i think sort of country my follow japan's pass including taiwan and not sure what will happen. he called about a pair later. i will do we, we will look a little bit more at the wider region in moments. david, 1st of all, do you agree with katara is viewed that this is japan, balancing the situation rather than making an aggressive stance. well, it hasn't made a move at all toward amending its peace constitution. article 9, what's happened is the war ukraine, i think, has changed the consciousness and debate about security in, in asia. because,

you know, as in europe or an actual shooting war was unthinkable. and it has been unthinkable in asia. but the ukraine war has proven that war is, in fact a real possibility, particularly because of japan's neighbors, north korea, russia, which has labeled japan and unfriendly country because it leveled sanctions against russia after ukraine and china. they all have their fingers on the trigger. and so japan are, has held to a one percent of g d p spending limit r, since, you know, since basically the end of world war 2. and are, it's now walking up to the fact that it's actually in a very perilous situation. there a war could break out either in the korean peninsula in east tennessee. taiwan or south genesee in any, any contingency in those areas would be an existential threat for japan's economy.

so japan is reacting now by increasing and spending above one percent to the, to the nato 2 percent of the norm that within 5 years. and nancy, japan may not have changed to its constitution, but does not the acquisition of tomahawk missiles, which can hit china, which can head to russia, is that not direct and confrontational conflict with the article 9 the piece the past, the 1st part of the constitution? well, you know, i was just watching a brief thing by the japanese government because they released the new national security doctor and today. and they made it very clear that even with this increase in the military, the emphasis was on deterrence and it was on defense. so it was not on becoming an aggressor power. if anything, japan is taking

a role of stability partner in the world. we see this through the quad. we see there's through the rhetoric of free and open endo pacific. so chapin is not really hungry for going to war. it is wishing to protect itself, defend itself against the existential threats that have been mentioned. the curious part here is how are you going to pay for it? that's the other angle to this. and there is some debate and just sent inside of the l. d. p including talk ministers about going with the corporate tax or increasing deficit spending. but the public is largely on board. it's ironic when you think back to sions why bay in 2016 people were taking to the street about changing the constitution and becoming more assertive player on the world

stage. now it's about 51 percent support for this increase in spending. and my g, this is going to be over 5 years. but this is not going to happen overnight. but it's a response to a response to the reality of living. not only in a dangerous neighborhood, but in an increasingly dangerous world. all say that guitar, do you think the republic the public is going to remain on board when looks like the, the, the funding for this increase defense spending is going to come from the pocket is going to come from raising taxes. i think, you know, painting on dramatically changed since your wall you know, very interesting work for, for japan, japanese public up. of course, you know, there's

a still the debate on how to compensate for this large expenditure using tax cut off spending cost and basically government. these anonymous thing that we use the 3 kind of the parts over clinton parks and the talk with alex. but you know, they are not clearly mentioning and so 2 percent increase to the g percent of the g . d p is not happening. someone said light away, take 5 years on the 2027, but the japanese people run to steadily understanding. we are not living in the end of the history. so history is here and you know, it's still low. john goal is preventing in east asia as well. so you know, our neighbors. it's much more powerful and you know, the conflict of conflict of the conflict waiver much

dodger. it's pumping hot. i one number one, number 2, number street economy will be in bolt. so we need to push back to the clear, ma'am. in order to not touch, have a not touch kind of a prodigy happens to say they caught me to say, piece on the of the lesion. david, what's been beijing's response to this when they were pretty unhappy to be singled out as an unprecedented strategic challenge one day. yes, but at the same time, i think china knew very, very well what was going to happen weeks maybe months ago. so what they've done is they've played down the they've played down this, this is change and they're actually emphasizing to

cooperative relations with japan. they've made it very clear that they want cooperative religion relations, especially in the economic spheres with match which mesh is very well with the japanese hedging strategy. because even though you know in japan has, is increasing it's deterrence and defense capabilities. at the same time, japan has been very careful all along to tell china it's, it's interested in maintaining a very productive, mutually beneficial economic relationship. it's not interested in fighting a war or starting or doing anything risky, but it's just basically putting, trying to on, on guard, on warning that japan will extend its territory sovereignty, its national interest in extreme cases. and a big question, david, i suppose,

is whether china invades taiwan, then japan, when he does have to get involved in yeah, it's one of 2 ways. one is if it absolutely does not do anything to check to japan and japanese clean territory isn't just just focuses only on taiwan. but even that is a huge security problem for japan. and also for the united states and for taiwan, obviously. and so japan is likely, in either case, whether it's it's, it's attacked, whether it's territory or attack as part of a large operation against taiwan. or even if it's excluded. there's a, there's a good chance japan will be forced into it because i don't really think that if us gets into this in, gets involved, that us basis and you know, in other places would be immune to a chinese of strike. which of course, is struggling to have these territory. so basically, you know, whatever happens with taiwan is going to deeply affect japan. and actually,

you know, it won't just stop there. it'll affect south korea, it'll affect south station. you cannot make the economies and security of those countries as well. and so, but yeah, i think japan actually has calculated that. the situation in taiwan straight is gotten to a point where they really have to be attentive and be prepared for contingencies. and that's how much says this shift from japan, deter china from invading taiwan. you know, i, i don't really know how to china and dating taiwan anytime soon. and this is so much broader than just war games. we talk so much about taiwan. but japan has other challenges in terms of increasing its defense budget. it's very weak and cybersecurity defense. these of a china,

china is much more further along. so when we talk about war, we're changing the dynamic, the understanding of war. now it involves information that involves diplomacy. it involves economics. and this is why it's critical that there is a conversation more nationally within japan and within asia, about where are we going? because really, this is increasingly a competition from an authoritarian regime to those that are more open society. so this is a conversation about what kind of world order to we want rule of law. and this is the, again, the talk coming out of japan and the other quad members. and this is why alliances are so important. but taiwan, we, we talk about in, you know, we talk about it so much. but it's just so much bigger than that. and of course, that is a concern,

but this is about human security. it's about civil society. and that's why having the communication saying goal, which is the field i work in, is critical because the public will go up and down on this issue. if there's a missile strike over from coming from north korea, of course, then people want to respond to it. but if it's just a pocket book issue and it looks like people are suffering because of it, then they're, they're support will wait. so they have to be on board. and they have to have a better understanding of this. and also katara, if we're looking at the other areas that japan is going to be funding, it's spending $14000000000.00 on space capabilities. i mean, that actually sounds quite exciting. what, what does that involve? so we'll be expanding the additional part not only for updating japan's

capability, comes out that could be, you know, including a cruise messiah, but also i think you would be the space and, you know, updating, you know, oh, the facilities. and the principal itself is aging. so we need to recruit young people and someone mentioned, you know, it's important not only in please being made it expanding but also increased paternity to dialogue between china and japan. and miss creation. miscommunications is very dangerous. so emotional to the child's a whole layer dialogue. but also we have to have a, you know, top to bottom, china, and also in case of emergency harmony. so that's the most important part i pick. ok, david, what, what fear is all that if any,

that this build up of missile capability of which we've seen a lot of in the region recently is going to spark further an arms race throughout the asia pacific. i guess you're talking about japan's acquisition in 1000 on talk longer range in north korea, building up. it's miss all capability and others. yes, yes. yes. well, so it's, it's important to understand what the, what these missiles are intended for and what to capable of. so, so these are going to be listed 1st most the cruise missiles and they're going to be able to stress for the 1st time. japan is going to be able to strike land targets in north korean. and china and, and this is a big, this is a big change because in terms of weapons, procurement and doctrine. you know,

japanese have not thought about defense going as far as, as striking enemy military capabilities. but because of the incredible speed of modern war, particularly with the stock of missiles that korea and china japan really can't mount a credible defense or can't motor, incredible deterrence if it, if it just ways to be hit after lengthy preparation with the massive waves of ballistic missiles, it has to be able to strike the, the, the bases that are sending the missiles to japan in order to defend itself. and so that's why these missiles are designated counter strike missiles. and it's, it's not meant to it's not meant to add to an arms

race. what would it's, it's meant to correct for just accumulating advantage for a 1st strike by north korea or china. it's gotten to the point now where there are so many offensive missiles able to target japan or taiwan or any other, any close in target. that of just the 1st strike could be absolutely crippling and disabling, and leaving, leaving the victim or target unable to find itself, particularly if it's had no way to take out the launch site. ok, i want to jump in the because i want to get an idea from you that japan, if it has these tomahawk cruise missiles, if it has some short, it's got to be prepared to use them. but is it going to do that? so you know, enabling public countries to grow and me cite supersonic right now. so,

you know, we declared you don't come to that capability preparation. that means you're not playing with that so fast like will be very, very, have a clue shop. and for example, china to pounds of supersonic miss out on a close line. so that's so caught, that's some, you know, 5 minutes. a lot of pretty with japan. so i think you know, the easiest, you know like to be preparing for the suit where the midsize, i don't think it's not. and the last thing happen. so you know, it's too late and we need to least prepare. we need to have the show. we have a capability, if you do something wrong, we let to do something also not very yeah. to use.

it has been going on, i think for the equivalent taking bonds. that's it. does the japan feel that it may have to do this because it's looking to the us and thing that it's not quite as reliable a partner as it might have once thought. of course, yeah, i mean the us, japan relationship now is very solid, but all you have to do is look at the united states and you see a lot of polarization. you see a country that needs this alliance help. it can't be the only pacific power engaging in all of these various threats. i was trying to jump in earlier though to say we've got to look forward here to the g 7 meeting that's taking place in may. 2023 and her roshan much japan. you couldn't get more symbolic. so talking about increasing the defense budget at the same time that there will be

talk about reading a world of nuclear weapons. i mean, you know, we're, we're sort of dreaming bit get the same time. we're talking about 1st dry counter strike capacity and we don't want to raise so many fears that people will be paralyzed by fear that something is. ringback and evidently going to happen. and so i, that's why i stress dialogue, guess course, that you keep these the information clear to the public and also meet regularly. i mean, japan and china are the, our major trade partners with each other. they're fully integrated. and so it's not just about threats always. it's also about daily business activities. and that's why, again, i say, look at the larger picture here. well, that's a very interesting point to finish on. thank you very much to all our guests for

joining us today. katara, tim or a nancy snow and david are a and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website as al jazeera dot com for further discussion to go to our facebook page . that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also during the conversation on twitter, handlers at ha, inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here. it's bye for now. ah and

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