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right after making world cup history, the atlas lion's son, the football world, by defeating european giant sane and portugal and knock out faith, they became the 1st african country to make it look. emmy finals fans line to the straight for but to welcome the thing ah. hello, you're watching out of the are these are the headlines this our you claims president is heading to the us. the talk says joe biden. it's for letting me to lindsey's 1st foreign trip since the russian invasion began in february. the cranium later will also address the us congress and hold several bilateral meetings shall strap. it has more from keith. that comes at a critical time in the wake of these weeks of miss arlene can because he drone strikes against ukrainians. vital energy infrastructure more than
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a 1000 we understand in these recent weeks. and yeah, it underscores the kind of reliance that zelinski has on western weapons on western support in the us. in particular, we understand that this new, this new alms package that is going to be announced in washington could be another 2 worth. another $2000000000.00 have canister on taliban rule is have banned all female students from attending universities. the latest crackdown on women's rights takes effect immediately. hills have already been banned from middle and high school. for congress has voted to bring elections forward to april 2024. it's been a k demand among protested, following the arrest a former president, petro could feel through has same days of violence in ca, stairs, impeachment, and arrest. 2 weeks ago. ellen musk says he will step down as the ceo of twitter following a public poll on the platform mask,
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his face to backlash since buying the social media firm in october, critic say changes he's made of the company have allowed hate speech and miss information to go unchecked, australia's foreign minister penny wong is in begging for talks to men to relations . relations have been strange since china imposed trade barriers after camera called for an independent inquiry into the coven 19 pandemic. nasa's inside lambda has revealed what could be its final message from mars. its power supply is running out, but it managed to send this picture. the robot landed on monday, november 2018 to study the red planets. early evolution and argentina's woke up, winning football team has flown over julia jubilant crowds, celebrating their victory in central one a series. the team had to trade a planned boss parade for a helicopter flight because of the huge turn out are. those are the headlines. i'm emily, anglo and the news continues here after inside story. this is
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a region that is rapidly developing, but it's one also that is afflicted by conflict. political rules. we'd try to balance the stories, the good, the bad, the adam and eve, the people who allow us into their lives, dignity and humanity. as we tell their stories. russia war on ukraine continues with president zalinski making another believe to help his country, the u. s. and it's, you allies have boasted his military enabling it to fight back. but critics say that my weapons just means that people will die is further military aid for ukraine's the way forward. this is inside story. ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm the star theater. now russia invasion
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of ukraine has brought war between 2 european countries on a scale not seen since wild war to death and destruction has been extensive, but russia has been met with stiff resistance and ukrainian forces have also retaken some territory western arms and training a played a key role forcing russia to reassess its tactics. moscow is now switching to long range weapons and drones. some critics of western strategy say that pouring more arms into a war simply means more death and delays, the need to talk peace. we'll be discussing all of this without gas very shortly, but fast. this report from charl stratford in ukraine on the latest wave there of russian attacks torchlight guide shoppers along with shelves, rushes almost nightly bombardment of ukraine, electricity and energy infrastructure leads millions of ukrainians. spend much of their daily life in the dark victoria shopping with a 3 year old son, daniel. they flit fighting near their home in the care of san region in april.
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given a keel, establishing on the authority is tell us, they've stabilized the electricity situation and then there's another attack. it's been like this for the last 2 months is week. he's got used to the darkness and importantly, he's not afraid. we have no choice. we have to get through this from the emergency services battle fires across gave and various locations throughout the country after another russian bombardment, early monday morning. this home was completely destroyed in a village close to caves by one of 30 so called kamikaze drones. ukrainian military says it intercepted marian politically her coat at academy. we got used to what is happening. it's scary. thoughts of possibly becoming homeless is terrifying. everyone is scared, but we are bearing and sharing with it again. maria and denise have to carry their
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2 and a half year old son david, up the stairs to their apartment on the 13th floor because electricity is down again. so the elevator doesn't work. give us 10 days after the invasion, as russian forces advanced towards their apartment block in european, they fled to the netherlands and then france. they have only recently returned. maria comforts her son in bed. she tries to send him to sleep. denise has put plastic sheeting over the windows for additional protection against the sub 0 winter temperatures. the 1000 total law just it's pretty hard but we try not to complain because we think of our soldiers living in the trenches in dismal conditions. but on one occasion we didn't have electricity for 2 days, like i had seattle, so yes, it's cold. sometimes the child is coughing, it's winter. but we can get through this. when we wait for spring and victory, we often hear the me boys one of thousands of heated tents with generators put off
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in recent weeks where people can get warm and charge their devices as work continues around the clock to fully restore electricity and heating across the country rosters, drone and miss oil attacks targeting ukraine's energy infrastructure are happening with increasing frequency. and that means that many people in neighborhoods like this one face another night without heating and in the dark cha strafford al jazeera give. while western military aid has been critical to ukraine's resistance and military advances and take a closer look at some of the numbers. in total, more than 30 countries have provided military equipment to ukraine. the u. s. has contributed the most by far with at least $8500000000.00 and military aid. next on the list is germany, which has given far less just over $2340000000.00 and united kingdom follows supplying weapons worth $1900000000.00. but ukraine's president has appealed for
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more funding, saying that the monthly cost of defense is about $5000000000.00. why this is a sleep? i ask you to increase to supply their defense systems to our country, and hope speed up the relevant decisions or partners or 100 percent air defense shield for ukraine would be one of the most successful steps against russian aggression. the step is needed right now. all of them, oh well more on this, i'm now joined by all of our guests in care of. we have pieces only if he is the executive director of the you razor democracy initiative in moscow. we have puzzled . tell him how he is a defense and military analyst and also a senior research fellow at the jamestown foundation and in regal latvia as leonid rogerson, as an independent journalist and publisher of a book called european tragedy, a history of russia and the current conflict. a warm welcome to you all. thank you so much for joining us here on inside story. we know that kira has been coming
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under renewed attacks and recent days, so i'll start there peter. presumably you'd like to see more western weapons than to help defend your city. while indeed, and this is something that we've been obviously warning about since at least october, the 10th, which is the day when the 1st strikes occurred. we are hearing very positive signals from washington that the bakery at their defense system may finally be given to ukraine. this should have been done weeks if not months ago, and it will still take a while to train ukrainian to use it because america cannot send its own technicians to operate them or soldiers. that would be considered as a participation, direct participation in the war. but this is a very gorging sign in europe. the west has finally realized that, you know, ukraine is defeat, will be its own defeat, that another in tens of millions of refugees flooding over the borders to
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europe will overwhelm the societies, will create a significant problem for these a government. so you know, they need to do everything they can to help. you defend themselves from dera from this guy that's been rained on us for weeks, weeks and weeks right now i'm sitting and give i'm lucky to have power on, but 80 percent of the region at large is sitting now without power and some of them without water or just picking up on land. russia has been accused of weaponized in winter, it's sub 0 temperatures. there we've been seeing attacks on energy infrastructure. i know some defense analysts have been suggesting that this might be a russian strategy to try to wear down ukraine's air defense capability because it takes so many arms in order to try to defend itself. puzzled, do you think that's the russian plan here, or the russian military have a very substantial upper hand in that they have capabilities to hit then the
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target and then the part of your brain long range capabilities that your grain does not. but the problem with this long range attack arm of the russian military is that they can hit on a stationary targets and big targets. the candidate mobile targets might say con boys or trains bringing reinforcements and weapons to the, to the front line and from the west. because russian bombers don't venture to fly deep into your brain at all. that means there's a long range missiles stationary targets the most easy stationary target are of the cranium, grid system that me and also defense industry and also military gas. but basically, right now it's, there were chris at the power stations, but not of course, of the nuclear ones,
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but of those of those that are producing electric power. hoping that electric power to your brain will put enough pressure on the premium government to seek a peaceful solution to seek a sci fi, russia right now. very much needs to cease fire for, for boy in the several years, at least by the cease fire on russian term. so this is how they're putting pressure that we can do it and they are doing well if they're trying to put pressure on it, it seems to be bad firing somewhat because these attacks have only really strengthened morale. we've seen that and quite a lot of the polling that's been coming out of kids. i know ukrainian the saying the majority of them that they're resolved. so now fights until victory. they're trying to end the war, especially at this point seems to be not the not the aim here ukrainians feel like they're making gains. they want to want to continue leon it, let me throw this to you. that sounds like an argument from weapons from the west
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then grow. i suppose it's not in considerable more weapons supplied by the west to credit and result in successful devout seals and ukraine. being able to recapture at listed territory that was captured by russia officer february 24th after the start of the invasion are, however, it is not inconsiderable that there will be no success. and that to be in this house racks against the crate in our power rates. will result in something akin tradition in his area and pedestrian towards the end of the middle of the winter. so it's a very, very complicated equation that johnson services and the military are in western countries on interest. so, and to, to make a very accurate forecast. because the, the cost or connect your report cost is says human lives and so many,
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many human last thousands and thousands. of course, it's also not just more weapons. i believe that keith is asking for that. also more sophisticated weaponry, is there potentially risk to think, puzzle of an escalation into, potentially in nature territory. if more sophisticated weapons all sent a while you're korean is asking for sophisticated weapons is getting a sophisticated weapons as since the war began. in the end of february, the ukrainian military now have capabilities. they didn't have in the beginning of the war and capabilities or some of them that russia also does not have. and that has changed the overall balance in the beginning or the 1st half of this conflict up to the mid summer may be a russia had the initiative. and the upper hand, though, there were many mistakes made by many disasters, happen,
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but still now the equation has changed. now the cream has the initiative to some extent, and that's right means that there's going to be more fight 8, and the fighting will get more severe. may be actually next to month. we'll see a major when they're battle developing. there, at least that's what many military experts in russia and ukraine are predicting. and this may be a decisive battle for the future of this part of the world. or maybe not, of course we don't know for sure. but both sides are gearing up for that conflict. coming up and gathering reserves, pavel and sounds like you're talking about an escalation and to let me ask you a piece or someone sitting in he is now, is there a concern that more weapons could result in a further escalation, potentially even raised the nuclear threat. i mean, obviously some threats were made back in october, or the nuclear side is something that we, i would prefer to sort of
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a bracket simply because we just know this is a, the doomsday scenario and non non wants to contemplate, it seems plausible that the chinese counterparts have made it clear to vladimir wouldn't, in recent meetings, that they will not countenance the use of nuclear weapons and so that is being relied on as potential deterrent. obviously there's no guarantee of that. but if we simply just do not consider that, if we're talking about conventional weaponry, like i'm not a military expert. but you know, when we talk about escalation that to ukrainian years, at least sounds a little ridiculous. we're in the midst of our biggest european land based war since world war 2, russia is already doing all this can to, to terrorize us. wouldn't have made very clear is goal. and that is the disappearance of ukraine as the sovereign entity, as a state. you know,
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sometimes the western audience worldwide audience does not understand the implications the does not understand the message. you mean all you have to do is understand some russian to tune into these federal tv channels and to, to hear every day these calls for ukrainians to be exterminated for you to be drowned in rivers. this is for 3rd right rhetoric. this is what hitler set about jewels. there's really no difference. there's a genocidal war. and you know, i agree with the bible, the future of the rest of the 21st century. and our security architecture is being decided in ukraine. i think in the west understand so that that's not a go. there's obviously a lot of rhetoric flying around, but i do want to ask you a very basic question, which i'm sure a lot of view is trying to work out at the moment. i think fundamentally, people see more weapons being sent and they presume that that will mean the
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fighting will continue for longer. and as a result, the fighting continues more lives the last, and there's more destruction of your country. and it's obviously been hundreds of billions of dollars worth of destruction already. and you're living through and suffering through all of that. now, is that the appetite for that to continue? is there not a worry that this will just go on indefinitely? while if weapons are being sent, you can that that means could be to lation of ukraine and there's not an option to watch what you would not want to be a part of russia. 98 percent of ukrainians now want restoration doing $991.00 borders. when we talk about this kind of weaponry and long range missiles that would be giving you a great symmetrical ability to strike the military targets inside russia, including those launchers from the caspian sea, which russia using to terrorize civilians. and that's what we're talking about. ok, i want to broaden this out a little bit because this is a war that obviously had huge impact, not just on ukraine, but also many other countries around the globe when it comes to food security,
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energy prices, economic crises, and various different places could more weapons do you think we need prolong the suffering for everyone and might that give other countries the impetus to try to resolve this in a different way? again, that depends on the accuracy of the forecasts associated with the supply of those weapons. because this war drags on our phone for a long time, and yes, they all be an impact on their own. the hold on told, on the, on the earth, in economy and on the, on the economy globally. so i'm sure that western governments are taken into consideration and then are also yes, there is the nuclear risk which should not be exaggerated. however, we're talking about a very non transparent group, a very small group that has ruined russia, that is controlling this huge arsenault of nuclear weapons,
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which is capable of disjoined attacks or manager really. so it should be a concern for humanity. so yes, on the one hand, it has a just cause to arm and supports your grade. but also all these considerations are regarding the do that your chair or alteration really or the teacher from entity. i should be also taken into account. we don't know where there is suicide personnel, whether it's just to rush our suicide as well. okay. i want to tend to some of the pressure that's been mounting on different western countries and volunteer particularly the u. s. i see that just in the last few weeks, russia pulled out of the new start treaty talks, the, the, their agreement to reduce nuclear arms. and they're trying to ramp up pressure kaylee on washington in order to stop supporting ukraine problem. do you think not
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working at all? whoa, rush is using of course the new york, where the turn is fully, as of the current, that's where want nuclear weapons were made to use them as a better meaning to do in plain words, that nuclear blackmail. but the difference between using them as a deterrent and using them actually using them that's a little bit. that's the so called nuclear threshold and that is very high. so right now it doesn't seem that anyone would want to go over that threshold because that goes both ways. if you use nuclear weapons, you're going to receive nuclear weapons from the other side of both sides. but they're there. so that's the kind of this nuclear deterrence that rushes using against her. the west is modifying the western support for your cray. your brain is not getting long range to miss auster deep into russia. most likely. ready won't,
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because that seems to provide a craig has yet been battlefield weapons, most likely defense weapons to against brush and long range attacks like anti miss . so an aircraft additional capabilities always feel more or less keep the situation as that this for or something like that. so it's designed and back those of the well, yes, i just want to bring in piece a here because we're talking about the u. s. continuing to send weapons to ukraine as kevin and zalinski have requested. but i'm curious piece at what point do you see those weapons stop? because president biden, at some point in march, he had some unscripted remarks that hinted it regime change in the kremlin, but we've really had no clear objective from the u. s. in terms of what they want to achieve here. so if you are sending weapons to ukraine and your, the u. s. and what point you stop while, you know,
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i've been going to add the momentum of its own, you know, country 2 years, 2 years, the trump republican controlled congress cut a do bring drastically. it hasn't happened to the trumping of the party hasn't really had much of a shipping and mean, you know, the military industrial complex of the u. s. is ramping up its production capacity . its budget has been increased by congress. so the momentum is still to continue this support of the brain, not without the issues, not without problems, and while it's occasions but until 2024. why until the new presidential elections. i think the nurse will. ready me dance until because of the population checking of the just the public opinion, the support of you in the us is overwhelming. well, there is also a public support for peace talks in various different places. so i want to turn to
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that. moscow has an hour so that ukraine is the one that doesn't want to negotiate . but from what i understand russia is demanding that you can recognize geopolitical realities. i say that with quotation marks and before coming to the table. so by my understanding, in order to sit down, moscow requires kids to make concessions. lynn, it is essentially giving things away before you even start negotiating. well, there are tradition go or the kremlin is to essentially to honest ukraine for our susan james. i'm admins, agreements and church punishment in general for being an entrance engines. so in that time, it doesn't really matter for the cramming and i think what's, what's, what percentage of the territory kinds of controls will be left for each after after the match. what's, what's important for them i think is that your grades are loses are more than it
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had before, a temporary training for them. so that i'm sure includes the control of the parts that we can do. yes. coverage and that russia currently controls and also for russia will be very difficult to part with the corridor to premier i would have getting by my desk. but all the rest is i think, negotiator, both for the family and any, and a solution that will invoke keepin on those particle and then ask regions and the coroner, it's your crimea. all of this can be presented by the permanent, as a district at the end of the day. of course, one of the most powerful arguments that i've had for making the west to continue its support of ukraine has been around precedent. so they're saying, well, number of, unless the saying that western how need to stay the course to continue providing weapons and not necessarily push a piece talks right now because what you want to do is prevent future escalation on
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the next crisis. otherwise, most goes really presented the blueprints for not only russia, but for other potential power is to get what they want from the west problem. what do you make of that argument? well, many in the west, especially in europe, would want to see a cease fire happening. and moscow wants to cease fire or right now because of the ukrainian right now have more men in their armed forces. and in many cases have more weapons, and the russia right now is struggling to replace of the weapons and munitions were using up. the intensity of the fighting is high and they don't think them russia can continue for a long time. most likely grade also wants to see fire, but again, it's about the terms. so walk russia once a freeze of what it is more west of freeze of, of the status quo for the time b, a line of control established a kind of means 3. your grade is not ready for that,
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and that means and the west is not ready to put any kind of real pressure on your brain. though, of course, they're holding back say, a long range missiles that could be used from the high mar system for 300 to out as the americans are not giving that. and the others are also not giving it because these were, these missiles are another nato countries, so there is some pressure on the ukrainians, but no one wants to be seen as the one who forces the ukrainians in to a capitulation. so right now, i believe both sides actually have enough weapons there on the battlefield for one more, very vicious battle coming up in the winter, then there's going to be spring, and that means a lot of mud. and there's going to be a pause. and then there's going to be summer by summer, maybe we'll have a cease fire. maybe not. it depends how the coming bath,
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those turn out on the battlefield. that's where the decision is going to be made. indeed, and we'll continue watching that. oh, very closely here on out as era, but for now thank you to all of our guests pieces all my as lynette regoza and pablo falcon. how, thanks so much for joining us and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that's al jazeera dot. com, and the other discussion do go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at adrian type story. for me, an associate hey, and the whole team here. and uh huh. 5, ah, join the debate. when we talk about climate change in africa, we should focus on adaptation knocked mitigation on air or online at your voice. it
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