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consumption projects and class, and i hope to be here as a result of simple life on al jazeera once and my social workers pay. michelle nie visit her. michelle is a single mother struggling to get by on a meagre income in one of the world's most expensive cities. she can barely afford the basics for her to stick daughter since the start of the coven 19 pandemic. there's been a big rise and people seeking relief for charity work as it's been particularly demanding. 28 percent of social workers quit that job in the last year. many of them left the city altogether with them in cubs and political uncertainty, many relying to help find it difficult to get the support they need. ah,
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so i'm carry johnston de la, the top stories on the al jazeera. he's got a router is underway in paris for the shooting deaths of 3 people, the main, the kurdish neighbor on friday. lisa arrested a 69 year old. they're investigating whether the instance was racially motivated, solid in job. it has more from the demonstration. they still are looking for answers from the police. why did this take this long for them to arrive? why haven't this declared this a terrorist attack? and why did they not provide security to the cultural center where they had asked for earlier? and this is the sentiment that he's in seeing escalating since last my doctor's the attack was killed. 3 refugees from the hood community. i've also been hearing from the police declaring that this was an attack, deliberately targeted against foreigners, by a person who was identified to have a background of carrying out a racist attack. millions of north americans are under severe weather warnings as
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an arctic blast inverts. last sways of the u. s. from canada. flights of in cancelled roads are blocked by snow and power outages have been reported. and b c's is shaquille at brewster has more on the severe conditions from the u. s. state of michigan peer invention, harbor michigan, which is essentially right across the lake from chicago. we're getting all of the impacts of this massive winter storm. you see the snow that's coming down. well, they're expecting the snow to continue. possibly 4 more days. it's this lake effect snow. some areas expecting more than 2 feet of it to come by the time we get to christmas, but it's not just the snow. it's also the wind at some point there are breaks in the snow, but you can't tell because of the wind whipping the snow around. the coal stretches further south to migrant. so hoping to cross into the u. s. from mexico battling temperatures well below freezing there, waiting for the u. s. supreme court to lift trump air restrictions that prevented many from seeking asylum. thousands of supporters of india that main opposition
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party marching through the capital new delhi. the congress party has been leading him across the country since september to regain popularity. partly metal has more from new delhi. he just made opposition, party is trying to revive it says, and this has major implications for the political landscape of the was largest democracy. now, roughly, gandhi is the most recognized space of the party, is the side of the party, and he has been marching thousands of kilometers. he says his goal is to unite a country that jury under b, j. b has become increasingly more to rise. at least 5 people have been killed in a rush and strike in southern ukraine. 20 others were wounded in the attack, interests on the city was retaken by ukrainian troops last month. a major setback that russia suffered is war against you. crank,
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a gas tank has exploded in the south african city of box work. leaving at 10 people did emergency services or at the scene and say, a fire fighter is among several people who are injured. the cause of explosion is not yet clear. at least 20 people have died after fire swept through a nursing home in russia. it happened in the siberian city of camera. investigators suspect a 40 heating boy that was the cause. the private home is reported to have been operating illegally. a criminal investigation is on the way. so if any, rem booker has been confirmed as features, new prime minister, ending days of political deadlock, parliament and hourly voted in favor of the former leader after an inconclusive election early this month. a report by ethiopia investigators has blamed the software failure for the crash of a boeing 737 max plane in 201950 7 people were killed when the ethiopian airlines jet crushed minutes of the takeoff. findings correspond with previous investigations which then the models, antique store system,
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it forced buying it to ground all 737, max planes, worldwide. oil it science sell has agreed to pay nearly $16000000.00 to nigeria and communities affected by leaks and its pipelines. but the company says the settlement for oil spills between 20042007 is not admission of liability is is a pipelines were sabotaged for news? continues herron out as they are after the bottom line? ah, i am steve clements and i have a question trumped off the law. but will the law win? let's get to the bottom line. ah, it's just simply never happened before. a former us president is being referred by
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congress for crimes to defraud the united states. while he's running for the job again, but that's exactly what happened when the congressional committee investigating the chaos of the last few days of the trump presidency wrapped up it's work. the recommendation is mostly symbolic because the justice department decides for itself whether or not it will pursue trump in the courts. at the heart of the issue is the attack on congress on january 6th, 2021, and how much trump tied to obstruct the certification of the election? trumpet is supporters are defiant and they argue that these are political which ones that will only make him more popular in america while are they right today we're talking with shelby telecom, former senior white house correspondent for the daily caller and currently covers trump and republicans for semaphores, wherein full disclosure i'm also an editor and hugo lowell who covers trump and the department of justice as the political investigations reporter for the guardian. you go, let me start with you and ask you. we've had now many sessions of january 6, committee playing before millions, millions americans, huge ratings,
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lots of people are aware of that committee and it had its final session and it made for major criminal referrals to the department of justice. referring to president trump. can you outline for our audience what they, what they've now referred to, to the department of justice? yeah, look, does full principal charges here and it ranges from instruction. i went to fisher proceeding and conspiracy to defraud united states, to kind of more broad statutes like incitement of an insurrection and making full statements to the federal government. and so if you look at these 4 charges that are being recommended to the justice department, they really follow what the select committee for. they could possibly get the job to actually charge you chuck, i'm an official proceeding, very straightforward on it's toms. now you have to act with corrupt intent to try and obstruct official proceeding. in this case, the certification on january 6, and i think the slack committee and that least legal experts that we spoke and to think the elements of the offense,
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there are very straightforward met for all the things i can find of inspection, that's possibly a little bit tricky for the justice department because you know it's, you have to basically show that trump knew ahead of time when he was basically making statements like, you know, we're going to march the capital b that will be wild, his infamous tweet on december 19 that that would prove that was going to lead to imminent level of action. that's the legal standard. and so i think they're just the flag committee went for a number of statutes. i want to, i want to hear the whole thing, but it's gonna ask you really quickly about president trump. don't we know from some of the testimony that he knew that the protesters were coming, that he said, hey, come to washington. he knew that there was a potential to be violent, he actually knew that they were armed and we know that he actually wanted to jump out of a secret service car and get up in those steps and go right in with them. i mean, are those is any of that in dispute? the fact song in dispute, but i think what's tricky is for just bomb to show this beyond a reasonable doubt. i mean, you can say that, you know, trump centers tweet,
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trump had no fiery rhetoric at the ellipse rally that procedure the capital attack . but to basically say that he was part of a conspiracy where he knew what he was doing with the legal what he knew was going to lead to not last action. you know, that's a higher standard. and that's what the justice bama basic just to figure out as you know, are we going to go for the biggest charge that might have the biggest penalty or we're going to go for something safer. and we can basically stay or conflict. so i'm sorry to interrupt you, so you had there are other planks of this when i wanted to jump in on that one. but what are the other plants? well, there are various elements in each of the statues. so justice bama has to figure out and a lot of them overlap, which makes it really complicated. and at the heart of this all to kind of overlapping conspiracies, identify the select committee, one with a political plan on january 6 to try and get his vice president mike pence to stop us edification. and we got a hint, then we didn't get bo evidence. let me go ahead of a 2nd potential conspiracy around the coup attempt around, you know,
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the proud boys of the earth keepers the far right extremist groups who actually storm a capital on the select committee believes that trump was the ring leader of that 2nd conspiracy. they just don't have enough evidence to make a full referral. and so that's why the saying, go just bottom and look, you guys have a austin, all of powers that we don't have. you know, you can do such once you can see cell phones and the way that we cannot. but we think based on the evidence, that is where our investigation would've lead. and so just as problem please investigate shelby in response to these, these referrals, president trump on to social, you know, put out his own statement and he says, these folks don't get it. that when they come after me, people who love freedom rally around me, it strengthens me. what doesn't kill me makes me stronger. i'm just interested. show you hang out with these folks. you know them. well, how are they seeing these criminal referrals? is it something to rally around and it validates their view that donald trump is being victim victimized by the state. i mean,
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how are they sensing and feeling this moment? yes, certainly i would say overall from people i've spoken to in the hours after yesterday it's january 6, committee finding is nothing's changed for the majority of republicans. they've always kind of viewed this january 6 committee as a sham. i think that's a direct quote that trump is use repeatedly, and they've always viewed it as political. they remember they rallied around him after the mar lago raid, so i think it'll be interesting to see. we've seen a more muted response this time around, but that's partially because as you go noted, the committee's it's largely symbolic. and so nothing really has, has actually happened. if the d o j were to actually bring criminal charges against from following the junior 6 committee, i think we'll see another rally around from situation and i think we could see him bolstered certainly. so i think his, his comments yesterday, untrue social are accurate and they're based on, you know,
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a long history of trump does something, the d o j or another political entity responds. and then republicans rally around him because they view it as political and biased. and, you know, fraudulent and so certainly that's the reaction to the committee's findings that were widespread hearing about still and they see the department of justice as a political entity, not a, an unbiased player in the story. know, so even i spoke to one former 2020 campaign official who isn't, isn't on the trump, or the trump train this time around. and he essentially said, you know, the, the duties still political. so even people who aren't necessarily for trump this time around view, the department of justice and view these political entities as political. so it's not necessarily about whether someone's pro trump or anti trump. it's just
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a large number of republicans view this group as politically motivated. you know, i just want to get your sense of someone who follows this, and i know you know the legal detail. what do you feel is driving his, his resilience after so many, you know, legal assaults, if you will, on his behavior in performance and what he's done. i think trump has kind of fundamental characteristics that make it difficult to prosecute and to kind of stick charges on him, not least because he doesn't like keeping a written record. he doesn't send emails, you know, he places calls from other people's phones, you know, wanting other january coming up your boss. we had so many was, but you know, the january 6 committee found that on the day of the capital tag, trump of calling aids and senators using other people's phones. and so it was very difficult for them to kind of track what trump was doing and who he was talking to any one time. and the justice department has that same problem. and i think this is reflected in all of the legal issues that surround him. you know,
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whether it's with the mar lago documents case, you know, he's like, no, i didn't these classified documents myself, there was other people who pack them and there was a lot of bigness understanding arrows and arrows with january 6 is like luck. i just sat back and did nothing or with the fake electro scheme. you know this, this plot to replace pro biden say 2 actors were binding one in the 2020 election with trump slaves. he says, well, look, this was a contingency planning. and because there's no over orders saying, you know, we need to knock over the capital because i want to become president again. i think prosecutors find it very difficult to create an adventure paper trail that could lead to prosecution hugo. is there anything that could happen at this moment to prevent donald trump for running for president? again? i don't think so. so, you know, yesterday when we're talking about janet 6 committee on the referral of those, a lot of folks on the inside of insurrection because there is a part of that statute that says in, or if you're convicted, you're knowledgeable to rod for government office. how that squares with the constitution, which basically outlines very specific specific instances in which someone can run
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for the highest off in this nation is unclear. and even if he was convicted on that, you know, on the fight men of insurrection charge, it seems really unlikely that the federal government would be able to effectively stop, come from wanting from president. again. i mean, at the end of the day, i think there is a wider question that needs to be answered, which is do you want? if trump becomes a convicted felon, you want i'm running for president. and when you vote for him again and shelby, what's the answer to that? could donald trump, knowing what you know, be president the united states again? absolutely. again i, i don't see the committee's findings, nor do i see a possible d o. j criminal charges preventing him preventing voters from voting for him. i think people's minds are largely made up about donald trump. and if they like him, they like him. i mean,
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this committee has been going on for 18 months and few people's minds have changed . and i think the of the other thing that's important to note is that for a lot of outside people, the, the january 6 stuff is, is very low on their list. of priorities, it's just, it's viewed as a d c issue. and so those voters and there are a lot of voters across the midwest and across the country who, you know, they didn't experience january 6. they don't quite understand why there was an 18 month investigation. and regardless of where you fall on the importance of investigating january 6, i think it's notable because these are, you know, the, the real americans that get out and vote and, and decide a presidential election. and for them, things like the economy and gas prices matter far more than, you know,
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who incited january 6, which tab, which happens thousands of miles away from them in a city that they've never let me ask you another question. shelby i, we saw early on in donald trump's story, that he was more of a foreign policy realist than a lot of others. but i was surprised that he chose lat, amir putin, as someone to celebrate, to try and become close to you know, to, to talk so positively for. and so for myself as a national security realist, that was a line that was very surprising for me. are there lines that are hard for trump supporters to see crossover might his tax taxes, which now the house of representatives just received? might there be issues in there that would say, well, that is now gone a little bit too far and his support may road or is his support rock solid? so i think the big thing is certainly for the more middle of the road republicans or things like that that can sway them and we've already seen it, right. we saw trump's disastrous dinner with a white nationalist and connie west,
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we saw not apologize after that dinner we saw the, the, his, his major announcement was at s t 's which baffled many in f t to our audience. i actually, i am not the person to explain to you but, but it is essentially, there are digital digital artifacts that are unique and, and he is put out yes, numbered digital car and you can purchase, i think about $95.00 a card or something. yeah. you get the whole set of 45 cards. you dollars all day he sold out in a day with, with laser shooting out of his eyes and the boy a light society and in washington was saying, you know, it was, was just, you know, going crazy. and so i think the other thing to remember is he does retain a large amount of those core, trump supporters who are very much pro trump, regardless of what he does. and so for those back are both voters. i'm not
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convinced that things like taxes or whether or not he incited the junior 6, right. i'm not convinced that that changes their minds because again, it goes back to the fact that a lot of conservatives have painted the picture of ok if. if trumps, get its trunk gets prosecuted for x, y, and z, it's because it's political and that's what they read and that's what they hear day in and day out. and so that's going to be their go to, oh, it's political, has his taxes it's, it's political. and so that's not going to sway them off of voting. right. you go, i talk to someone very senior and what i call trump land. and i asked about this, and they said, steve, this is going to take so long to work through the mar lago classified papers issues going to take so long. but he said that that one issue that may be coming up rather soon that might have teeth with regards to president trump is the georgia grand jury investigation into president trump's alleged efforts to try and overturn the
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election there. have you done any work on that? have you looked at the potential ramifications of georgia findings in this and the grand jury, which is really disconnected from all these other issues and has a different pace? yeah, i mean, is disconnected in some ways and it's, it's actually overlapping. and all the cases, you know, as you say, you know, the georgia district attorney's family. well, as you know, she has been promising for months that you know, she expects an indictment probably from the special grand jury that's been convenient. georgia looking at trump's efforts over time, the election and some of the evidence that is actually quite compelling. i mean if you think about like trumps bone court doors, secretary of state bride raffles. bugger said, you know, i only need 1000 war both with a selection like it's not a big deal. give me 11000 votes. and i think things like that which have a visceral in the mind, you know, would sway a special grand jury in that, in that sense. and so i think and diamond is very possible in georgia, but there, i think the wider issues about having, you know, a state on elective partisan da,
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going off to form a presence. but i really kind of wonder how the justice department looks at that. you know, thinking, you know, this really is a federal issue. we don't want, you know, the, ga, ga, interrupting, or criminal case examining january 6. and so i think that these 2 are they going to collide sooner or later? i think it be interesting to see how the justice responds and be put up this one charts very interesting. and from the usa did a poll in that the majority of republicans now prefer ron de santis, governor of florida. over trump in a match up. we're going to break into non carry johnson in do how we're going to cross over to see these pictures breaking news now this writing in paris, which is for the shooting this 3 people who are mainly curtis neighborhood on friday. now police have arrest the 69 year old man investigating whether the incidence was racially motivated or again to speak with
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some i've been job id in paris now tom, up and what's happening we're having some difficulty getting hold of our correspondence there. as you can understand, the very turbulent and 10th situation as we see the live pictures. this is of course, regarding this rally that has been ongoing in paris, which follows that, that shooting day, all 3 people in the main, the kurdish neighborhood on friday. this is created severe tension which are ongoing in the front capital. we understand that
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a 69 year old man has been arrested who had apparently been arrested regarding a separate incident. and it's unclear what to further details. we hadn't white warms that that man had been released in that case. nonetheless, you can see an extremely tense situation as we look at these live pictures from the associated press news agency and now also from the reuters news agency. as we take in some of this atmosphere, the
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while we understand we can now crossover to correspondent that's been started in paris. what can you tell me if you doesn't go to the site too much away from the public and they were met with the board by the city. got to be fine. and now we can hear it from the sun. the ship of this, this is asking them to come back, will not be provoked by that, but he is going against the police. so just as a think, the police in effective when they came under attack and now it is finding it hard at them and them back when they are focused. and again, in the back of the crowd, the be gathering here and funding up in the last 100 at the republic
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where the thompson for justice in the rain and the calling on the for the party. the do more to try and get not just just there for them, but better protecting because they believe that there was a dinner attack. again, the purpose so we can see these dramatic pictures of the tear gas. how are the authorities reacting to this as far as you can tell? yes, now, as they move closer to public, where the police are fired more around them and we can feel the effects of that. now there's 3 things we're the, we're at. the police is pushing them away from the main street, have anger been simmering within the community. that in any case,
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even before this incident, when this is happening at the 10 year anniversary of kurdish activists who were killed by the one second that to get to the side is a lot of commotion here. the police is moving people from the b 2 or the square and pushing them to live. but this is been a similar situation for them. and you can be a y b on you're going in the last in the last 24 hours because they say that the police have not. he did 2 vehicles of the personal security for the code that we need here for this particular one. the police find out why was this particular book? it is telling us that there are multiple places if it was a vacant attack. why them? why not another package?
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so it is similarly with people are just satisfied with what they told by the authorities. they want to forward if you want to figure out how they are more of them and they're now repeat to or that's where it is now being so you got to be the government for its parts. has said that it has been asking for more to be done to protect community. is that enough? do you think in terms of what the people and communities feel is being done? but clearly they're not convinced by those, by the believe, i mean ministry because they feel that they've been parties failed. they want to
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keep their calls. and this is again, not just aim right now. the hers who were here last year from have all the garbage and all of them have. busy the big ones by defense. many of them but the government has not just put the interest in the country. so if you can imagine it's a complicated place to get involved in the fight against isis, and they feel that they're not fun. i'm calling on the see if they're not targeted places to celebrate diversity dot com and you attack and this is daemon on demand from dakota. and
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what seems to be the taping point for this reaction? what more are we learning about the prospect in the shooting? what does affect the 59 year old has been involved in a number of racially motivated attacks. 6 years ago, 2 races, people from migrant communities, just attack to denise mike than the fords. and that's why he was to serve a jail sentence for a year and a week after this man was married out in neighborhood against going and attacking the sentence for the people there. tuckered it down, we moved to work restaurant and then bob, it's up. eventually he was overpowered by on the hearing. more report
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was that he had hot them up and also had the mission off ground dozens of rounds that he still had any, had he stopped by people in that community by themselves. he's going to be able to tell more people, and that is something that is made that the police, according to them to minute, is a want to call that there is an active who can go to lunch, overpowered the packet, my them, and all the offering for me again, but i have not heard by the does this kind of incident and what happened here clearly as a result, reignite issues of racism in france in general. not just amongst this community.

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