going on and see i can cut that off more security personnel on the ground and show events of yesterday did not repeat themselves. and so basically more product rates are going up to ensure that vehicles have been limited on the speed of accept the vehicles that have been cleared because of the type, the ip or official. because that allowed into the venue or the street, which the process will take place. basically what you're seeing here, the number of troops we understand today, it will be professional, leave 8 troops that would be marching through the street. and they'll be judge by a group of judges will be looking at the costumes for music and all that is happening in color possible. basically, mitchell is going through the streets with spectrum. and judges also taking

stuff of what exactly is helping. ah, so again, i'm fully battle with the headlines on al jazeera. the u. s. is considering restricting travel from china, where surgeon corona virus infections is raising global concern. taiwan, japan and india have already tightened entry requirements. ukraine to his russian forces. i've shelled a maternity ward in the city, of course, on which it reclaimed last month. as, as ukraine's military resumed vase counter offensive in the eastern region of low hands. is he of his national carrier, has resumed slides between ad is harbour by the capital and northern to gray. for the 1st time in 18 months, the airline suspended the route during the conflict between government forces en rebels. they signed a ceasefire in november. authorities in cause of all have released a former police officer who was arrest early this month res. tensions between the

government in pristina and the ethnic sir minority. protestors have wrought roads in northern kosovo to demand his release. elaina flu shots has more from the border village of urine. yeah. he's there a lawyer called room 2020 that he has been released under her house arrest a but now i had, there is a logistical problem for gustavo police. how to transfer a band teacher to his house because of the barricades. and i remind you that a band it's arrest or was the main reason for the barricade. so now we're waiting to see if the barricade or some of them will go remote defense ministers from turkey or syria and russia have met in moscow to discuss ways of resolving the syria crisis. they talked about the possible return of refugees and how to combat armed groups. israel spar amo's thickness set has passed the so called ben giver law. it grounds incoming security minister, e t m r ben giver unprecedented power over the police. has been appointed as by mr

. benjamin at our repairs to form a coalition government. the vatican says the health of the former pope benedict is worsening and he's receiving constant medical care. in 95 year old became the 1st pontiff in 600 years to resign. when he stepped down in 2013 and several u. s. data under weather alerts after major flooding in northern california, heavy rainfall is being blamed on a so called atmospheric river. those are the headlines next step inside story. stay with us. aah! with 3 years ago, and why don't you cut himself, venezuela's, leader instead of president nicholas missouri. now the opposition has voted to

remove the interim government, led by the us by politician a madura remains family empower despite years of sanctions and economic growth. so what's next? venezuela, this isn't her story. ah, ah, hello, welcome to the program, i'm in bronco, and it holds the world's largest all reserves. yet venezuela's economy remains in deep difficulty. after years of western sanctions, president nicholas madura, his state in power would support from russia, cuba, china, turkey, and iran, backed by the west, one glider declared himself at present 3 years ago. but he's on the way out that's off to the opposition. he proclaim to lead this week rejected his ladyship and entering government. in a few moments, we'll be looking in more detail with our guests on how venezuela got to where is

where it goes next. but this 1st report from alice under amputee on the economic difficulties is people face adelina garcia opened her natural, cosmetic shop 4 months ago in caracas, bearing on venezuela's mother it economic recovery. and despite many hurdles, she says things have gone well so far on economy. agatha nice young, it's an economy and revision that's just starting to grow. again. there is a feeling of normality for commerce and many shopping centers of started operating again, implementing like the government's decision to relax price controls and allow trading in us dollars has given some businesses and president nicholas, my daughter, a 2nd wind in a country were real gross domestic product as shrunk by almost 80 percent in a decade, dollars are everywhere. these days, prices in stores, restaurants and even food carts are listed in dollars. this is partly stabilized prices and brought a veneer of better economic times. so we will go together with more favourable

international geo politics. this is allowed madura to venture outside the country, shaking hands with leaders who were trying to house them until a few months ago and confounding opponents earlier. why dar them in the united states and other democracies recognize as legitimate president, after calling my daughter's 2018 re election? a sham spends most of his days in a spartan office, froze on the wall, show him at the height of his efforts to topple madura and although opposition parties are now seeking to end this mandate, he remains undeterred. i don't want you out, a thought. oh melick tumblers, his only that we need to bring this to a presidential election and we need to strengthen the opposition to facilitate talks and mexico. but let me be clear, it's not because the opposition is divided. that madura keeps the power he keeps you sipping power because this is a dictatorship magruder's regime as agreed interior to resume negotiations with the

opposition in mexico and arrange free and fair presidential elections in 2003 to 4 . in exchange for ease, you are thank sandy oil sector. my daughter's home being the economy will continue improving enough to give him a chance to win the next presidential elections out. right. especially if the opposition remains as divided as it is right now. that economies say the improvements have done little for the majority of venezuelans. good, my little sad thing. all you elementary madura is trying to credit himself for the increasing a comic activity, but all they've done is stop causing happ inflation. to lift things then it will create some peace among the middle and upper class. but this doesn't mean better conditions for those who go to public hospital or need public services. but for now, avoiding hyperinflation might be enough to offer some opportunities to businesses like i brianna's and the government more time to maneuver. allison, the and pierre, the al jazeera carrack, us willing to use our gas shortly. but 1st, let's take

a look at how venezuela reached this point in 2019 nicholas. dora was sworn in for a 2nd term as president, but the opposition had boycotted the 2018 elections saying though rigged opposition leader one glide out, had headed the national assembly. sincerely elections and declared himself entering president. the u. s. lead around 60 western and latin american countries in recognizing him as leader with some allowing him to employ ambassadors. maduro bard, the u. s. humanitarian aid and cut diplomatic ties. the trump administration replied to crippling sanctions, including on vital oil exports up to 5000000 people were forced to leave when his whale of western allies gave guido control of the countries foreign assets. domestic supports for him with it after he failed to take power. most e u countries back to guido, but dropped their recognition of him as president last year. but the u. s. continues to recognize him. ah,

let's bring it, i guess from crocket tamir, per se, is the managing director of global sovereign advisory. and was previously deputy foreign minister adviser to president hugo chavez and chief of staff to president nicholas madura in neil, vanessa norman, she's the founder and ceo of asymmetrical political risk firm. she's also the former official represent fit for one glider in the united kingdom and ireland and also from crackers, full guns, and he's a senior analyst, the in special crisis group and a consultant on latin america. welcome to you. but to begin in new york with you, vanessa, you guys failed, it's time to back and you surely. well, i think, you know, that was a joke about the interim government started. it's not internet, nor does it cover. so i think that unfortunately gained a lot of current on record events since my resignation in 2020 that if this was not going to achieve its objectives, that is why i needed to get out of my daughter versus by the dialectic and do

something to benefit people, you know, the long suffering that us mind people. so i think i'm not sure about whether it's backing a new horse or finding a way to basically ease that suffering to bring infrastructure development to bring out proper humanitarian. how and not just in the ways of handouts, but things that are really considered basic to human development and human rights. and i think that that's where we need to go. now, it's time to end the dialectic in time to, to find a solution for people in caracas. a, to me for us. i mean, what do you think of that? it's time to stop this side show effectively. yes, absolutely. i mean, we are so called intern government was set up as part of the regime change policy that was pushed back in the days by the trump administration. and very clearly that policy failed for various reasons. it is,

it is time now to go on by recognizing that intern government by the united states in the sense that it creates the existence, you know, the formal existence even if it has no when back in that is an audit that creates a lot of problems regarding, for instance, the legal recognition of the, of it is and, and government in the united states, the access to minnesota or an assets and even, you know, the turnaround of an economy engagement with, you know, with a global economy, financial institutions at a range of problems created by the existence of this now irrelevant, so the interim government sell guns and also in caracas, one of the key players here is the united states. it sticking to its guns, it's backing into in government. it continues to recognize of water. what is the point of that now? there really is no point. i mean, i think the by the administration has long wanted to move beyond this policy,

which it was in heritage from, from not only in terms of recognizing window as the president of venezuela, but also the whole package of sanctions, the trumpet imposed on the overall. so called maximum maximum pressure policy. i think this, you know, this move will make things slightly easier in the short term. it's clearly a massive victory for president, a lot of people, even even people on the moderate side internationally. and domestically here, as well as the opposition have been reluctant to give to that, that prize if you like that, that, that benefit without any significant concessions on his side. but i think that, you know, that stems from, you know, an idea that somehow the so called in sure government is an asset to the opposition . whereas in fact, has been lost to go. not only, not only in terms of the overall strategy, but also in terms of you know, what,

what the relationship between the opposition leadership and the venezuela public is . i think it's distance the opposition leadership from the real concerns of that as well. and also cause the split 1st place if you like, within the opposition itself. vanessa. these are 2 very strong personalities. here . they are people with significant support. is there a compromise to be found that leads venezuela out of this crisis? will significant support? i'm not sure. i agree with that statement. first of all, i wanted to reinforce and agree with some things that so constance and to me it's a bit of nuance. i think 1st of all, i think nick last my little or one, but i don't really have that much support. and there are analyses that by the may not make it out of the primers. that's not me to say that's to be determined by the facts as we approach 2024 election. so you know, the coding is bad for both sides. i wouldn't say really either size. it's

a little bit unclear. who would emerge is a strong leader or option really on either side of a senior glass monitor would stay as a leader on for the regime. but what, what is interesting about what has happened with the recognition and what happened with the foreign assets? everything going forward, as you know, it was instrumental in the defense of the gold of the summer and gold in the bank of england and gave not no fewer than 19 witness statements in that case. so i know, wow, so what has happened is i think a lot of the foreign asset, even if the white also we say is de recognized officially by its own people and the international gene, you'll end up with any situation. remember that those assets are frozen because of the legitimacy, the malaysian pending for your fair elections. so there is a scenario where that might all just remain frozen until there is real actions in 2024. that promise does not go away. i do agree that it has separated with the us. why our position, leadership from the people are just fine up with politics. i want to get on with

the solution to their lives. and i think about what i want to do. one of the things is, as you try to move forward and try to find a solution to the types of things that we have been talking about about infrastructure development and finding ways to either use some of those are a debt, which i'm involved in a couple of projects on this, so i'm advising on whether to use some of the foreign debt or foreign assets that have been clear. it could be clear in order to use that for some of these projects that we're about to use the suffering of the people and perhaps cool moodle away from the russian influence and more towards the west. now the thing is to do that, you have to find a way that you can't be entirely isolated from the international financial community. because that's to say, even if you securitized or collateralized some of those investments, you know, what are you going to do? go to court in venezuela, you know, there is a default, so you need to find a car where even when you try to find the solution there,

there that there is a way that you can still force internationally because it's completely financially isolated. banks like north korea or something doesn't really, doesn't provide investors or with any, any recourse the type that you would need. so i think that the solution would have to be something something along those lines and that, and then it's a real rubik's cube of complexity to find that part of, i mean we're looking at then a stalemate. oh wait, we're looking at least what? 18 months away before the next election optimistically. so we're looking at a stalemate in venezuela politics that can't do any of the things that vanessa may be suggesting. well, i don't think so that isn't bullies have, have been moving since at least 2019 1st. and the most of the opposition is that it has moved away from, you know, the product of

a so called intern government has engaged in internal and a process of internal negotiation with the small, you know, this, the name we give to the political movement around president and you know, you know, very challenging and difficult but, but you know, ongoing process, the opposition and the government, the minnesota focused on discussing which is, which is already a progress from the situation in 2019 when you know phrases like all options are on the table pronounced by the government, united states, meaning a military threat against men as well. and government and venezuela in general was pronounced. the situation politically has, has definitely improved. of course, the need to be, you know, concrete, concessions. and,

and when i say both sides is the opposition is requesting from the government political concessions and guarantees in order to achieve free and fair elections. and the government on the other side is addressing a message that is more addressed to the u. s. government than it's opposition saying that in order to achieve free and fair elections also for debbie is more, you know, these needs to be free and fair elections are all been as well as should not be subject to unilateral un sanctions. which is, you know, what vanessa was referring to today, the venezuelan government is under us sanctions. that means it doesn't have access to the financial system. it doesn't have access to bank accounts. you have to make it very concrete. and it's annoying producing country where the oil and national oil company cannot act legally and mean from the perspective of the us legal system . but which is, you know, by the fact that the u. s. a has

a great international influence and it cannot engage even in training, and it's what i cannot explored officially. it's all. and so the impact of the vendors on an economy is the mass. and therefore, the government is claiming that free and fair elections need to be also sanctions free or sanctions release election. so we, we're dealing with that with ad timetable. but as you were mentioning, that is dependent, not only on the progress internally, but also on the progress of negotiate on the progress on the international arena. and, you know, depending on what concessions the, the biden administration that has started. a process of engagement in missouri is willing to make or sell guns. and let's talk about the international curious, hey, i mean on the one side, you've got cuba, china, turkey, iran and russia, backing missouri. and then you have the west effectively and the you at some point

is probably a little bit less i right now any of these countries or any of these roles of the, the split between the international community as any of that been useful for venezuela? no, i mean, i think the polarization that you refer to which, you know, the international population obviously reflects the domestic reservation. and this is because, you know, from originally being and domestic vendors, well, in crisis, it's extended into the region with massive migration, unprecedented refugee crisis. 7000000 venezuelans estimated to let the country out population of around 30000000. that's creating enormous pressures within the region . lots of other aspects of the crisis. obviously a fact that as well as name is and, and then now it's the global geo political crisis as well in the sense that, you know, when, when a, you know, us russia, in china, if they ever do sit around the table, you know, venezuela is, is is on the agenda, may not be at the top suddenly, but it's, but it's item that this is not,

this is not useful. but what that does mean, of course, is to me we're saying is the, you know, the us and its allies and my daughter's eyes in the form of the russians, the chinese geraniums, and so on that have a role in resolving this. and the focus, of course, has to be all the talks that recently received in mexico city beach, following between number due to government to what's called the unit platform, or at least a portion of the opposition that's in that's a negotiation with the government that has to be backed solidly backed by the international community, but also those folks have to be connected in some way to the vendors, other people as well as civil society at the moment they operating almost in a vacuum. and again, those dimensions. the reality of those talks is that they are in essence the negotiation between correctness in washington, in which the opposition is kind of an instrument,

but it isn't really doesn't really have an awful lot to put on the table. so there needs to be a way in which those tools will decide that those tools is connected to what then as well as on the ground here, that is, will be my civil society really won't through consultation mechanisms which are in the memorandum of understanding on which those tools to set up vanessa. that's a pretty pessimistic assessment of the international communities role. is there any, any optimism here when it comes to the international community? i mean, optimism why, i mean, i think that there's plenty, i just think that the sort of geopolitical chess games, you know, we'll, we'll continue to pay. i mean, there are other options for us on departments as well. that were a key and key things, including in helping europe get through the ukranian war. i mean, there are, there are the warranty about us. why has really been under explored, and it's not just about the oil. there are tremendous other resources, including a tremendous not got more than the cutoff, actually that, that, that are there

a strategically important minerals and also, you know, it's, it's the graphic importance in times. so for international shipping lanes and all of that. so i think that there's, there's not 2 things that you know can can be done, but it's one that actually weren't done because of the terrible talk or see, and corruption and mismanagement really under the, under the under chinese small. now granted, i've always said that there was actually mismanagement and corruption prior to tell me. so that's not really new to that. but it really grew exponentially. and i agree that i, i agree, and i disagree with some things that so constance, that, for instance, i think that negotiates in mexico are sort of somewhat irrelevant because i, i do agree with that that they are being basically a proxy between washington and the opposition the problem with the opposition, one of the many reasons why reside, they didn't really seem to have, you know, a,

what do they want? i and other venice wise ask, and you know, you guys sitting down at the table in mexico. what is your list of demands on this one? and since then, i'm supposed to be represented by what is your list of demands? can you please tell us? and they can't. i know what reasonable wants, but i don't know what the opposition wants, and that's not, you know, as you know, from political negotiations anywhere in the world where it's middle east, peace, or northern ireland. if you know what the list of demands is, you're in series, you're in serious trouble. so it's complicated. it's very complicated. but to where . busy one of the things it seems you coming out here right now is the idea that whoever controls the foreign assets is going to be the de facto leader of venezuela is, is that crucial for the future? what, what, what is crucial for the future is for been as well. who is it, again, an oil based economy to turn around it all sector oil and gas is that is

the mention by the way, because it is home to massive on reserves of gas that could be of use, especially as you mentioned to your so what, what is what is really all the essence is to land the been is within society to basically take care of its own development, which is at the moment on fortunately, the economic situation of the country has improved since 2021, but its own economy is growing again but that is mostly the fact of internal reforms that were passed by the government and you were mentioning to whoever i mean, who runs the country, there is absolutely no doubt that it is the government sitting can act as that is decided by nicholas the access to foreign assets is at the same time, symbolic something that you know, that pertains to the sovereignty of the country. regardless of the opinion,

one could have on how the country's rule is that those belong to the state of venezuela. so it should be under the control of, of an government. and again, that is an economy has started to grow. so in terms of where we all money out, i'm sorry, we are running out of it. i do want to come very quickly to fill guns and was will fill the pain the picture that's been painted. it was that this could have been a very simple domestic political dispute, but it was made worse by international involvement. no, i wouldn't put it that way. i mean, i think this is a very complex domestic dispute, which essentially, you know, has to do with the dismantling of that as well in institutions. the fact that the, you know, the opposition is, has a certain space within which to operate with cannot challenge. chevy is more for a national power, and so on is that remains the case then, you know,

the law jam will continue the impulse of mexico. and i understand, well, when i was saying about, you know, the mexico is kind of irrelevant. but mexico is the place at which, you know, even which agreements that have to do, obviously not just with the opposition, but the u. s. as well as well and government these, these agreements can be ratified and it's a process more than they don't sit down and mexico and discuss these things and discuss those where it's the process that i'm referring to, that negotiating process which ought to work according to the plan of the book by to ministration reciprocally. so the concessions on of a neuro cider match with sanctions relief primarily from the u. s. that will to work, but it needs to be started by a government hearing correct. that is really actually to contemplate down the i did some points losing which currently it doesn't seem to be willing to do. i want to

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