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her again, i'm fully bachelor. with the headlines on al jazeera, israel's most right wing government in its history has been sworn in 20 minutes, now is returning as prime minister for the 6th time to lead the coalition. his government includes altura, national, there stand author, orthodox. jewish bodies for hierarchy has more from west jo slim. these are the most right wing politicians. we seen, they are with some points on the fringes of politics. and now here they are on the main stage to get have. there was an agreement made that they would pass several new laws, the bank of a law renewal and smart tional with some of the laws that were passed through the last 48 hours. morrison of getting these decisions through these decisions, mixing things up. it means that someone like ben cafe, who has also has, has a conviction of racism is now going to have sweeping an unprecedented power over the police. for example,
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russia has launched one of its biggest mason strikes on ukraine since a thought of the war. the cranium military says air defenses shot down 5469 rockets launched by moscow. at least 1900 people are confirmed dead after a fire broke out at a casino hotel in the cambodian town of keel pet on the border with thailand, police say 30 people were injured barricades. the being dismantled in northern coast of all after serbian protestors agreed to take them down. they've been demonstrating for weeks against the detention of a serbian former police officer. he's now been moved to house arrest. living protests in bolivia after police detained. a prominent opposition leader, prosecutors have open several criminal investigations against police, fernando camacho, he denies leaving a cool journey protesting 2019 that led to the resignation of been president. evil milan, this is prime minister says she wants the rest of europe to follow its lead and bring in mandatory covey tests for travelers arriving from china as in response to
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the surgeon, new infections after paging rolled back, its strict 0 coverage policy, those are the headlines on august year i'll be back with the al jazeera and use our in under 30 units right after inside story. stay with us. ah. after weeks of protests, ethics serves in kosovo, agreed to take down the barricades, hope so high that the latest layer of intentions will now come down. the how fragile is the peace between serbs and cost of us? this isn't so strong. ah,
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hello, welcome to the program on the wrong con, call. so those uneasy peace has once again come on the threat this time from protest by a think serves that lasted weeks in a display of how delicate the situation is there a single incidence? the detention of a former costello so police officer ended up drawing in the u. s. the e u and serbia to diffuse a dangerous stand off the form officers arrest lead to spiraling violence with gunfire. arson attacks and ethics serves blocking roads with barricades. the now being taken down, but the political barriers remain, was not to the 2 or the sutra. from the morning hours, the removal of the barricades will begin. this is not a simple process and can't be done in 2 hours as some have imagined. within 24 to 48 hours, the barricades will be removed, but distrust is not removed. those who are playing with the very existence of serbs and kosovo must know that we will not allow it, not now,
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nor in the future. and russell, so that has law from christina. there have been a tremendous pressure from particularly from the european union and the united states over did the course away. and did the serbian government, he had to, to deescalate the situation here because the concern, the fear among the european companies and viewed by the united states is that russia will be keen to open up a 2nd floor. and after the war in the ukraine to open up a 2nd front of consultation in the heart of europe and death, that is definitely something that needs of nation. the community is quite concern off a scene here. so that's why the pressure is ramping up overboard government to deescalate the situation. but the situation still here remain fragile and any time it cool escalate again. restful said that for inside story, kosovo declared independence from serbia in 2008. that was 10 years after at least
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13000 people were killed in the cost of a war, where ethnic albanians fought ethnic serbs and the former yugoslav government the u . s. and most e. u. country is recognized costello's independence. but serbia refuses to cost those membership of the un is blocked by soviet ally, russia. about $4000.00 nato peacekeeping troops remain on the ground after the alliance bond survey and intervened to end the conflict. in 1999, the you began sponsoring talks between the 2 sides in 2013, but they've made little progress. resolving the conflict is one of the main conditions for both countries to join the blog. ah, let's bring in our 3 guess from budapest memos. ok, sorry. let's use the former deputy prime minister of casa vote and a current member of parliament from belgrade. helena, even off, she is an associate research fellow at the henry jackson society, anna serbia analyst. and finally, from grass, florian bieber. he is
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a professor of south east european history and politics, and the director of the center for south eastern european studies at the university of grass. i will come to you all. i'd like to begin in belgrade with the helena even of um, at the heart of all of this. and this is something that flared up from time to time is serbia's refusal to recognize costello as an independent state. one of the barriers to that well, i think you very obviously this is a situation whereby serbia and its government feel that a part of its territory has unilaterally declared independence. and from belgrade point of view, recognition of costello is just not an option. the 2nd concerned that the serbian government has as well is the safety and security of the serbs who live in the north. and lately they have been communicating that they do not have the confidence that coastal authorities will indeed protect the serbs who live in northern costello. and i think, you know, from customer's point of view, anything but
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a complete independence is also an acceptable. so we basically have 2 sites with completely mutually exclusive, political aims, mimosa casara, lila. why don't you look off to the ethnic serbs in the north of the country? why didn't you simply give them the right so they need that's what august in belgrade is i actually mr. cron. i think the main deficiency here is the lack of principles and proper arguments because it costs about their 10 to 1000 with majority of serbian population for out of 10 are located in the north of the country and it's not a matter of not giving them the right, their reach requesting it's a matter of using them to instrumental lies their quality in the country of possible and cancel out the independence in 2008 the case in 2010 is the fanatical court of justice. bad are no violation for national law. so the declaration of independence, the customer has been in full importance with international law and also the rights
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of everyone who lives in costs including albanian, served boston and other minorities is fully legitimate. so what we are facing now is the last mechanism, alexander, which is the president, the 3rd be to play an interview or interfere in cost of affairs. actually the most important is the state that the reason i have not happened by of being in possible being a nor institution by, by 30, again, directly orchestrated by duties. we had a lot of properties being damaged. we had cars burn that were as a fine to possible serbs that you don't actually obey because we were threats in use. so i think this is the last chain off attempt to actually full cost along under their direction or intervene in possible affairs.
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but as we've seen it, it's not the 1st of all. and then belgrade needs to go off of a 3rd living in the north to live their lives in independent possible as it's actually the situation with others. said smith on the south part of florida. i'm going to bring you in in just a 2nd, but i would like to get her helena's thoughts on those comments. are the ethnic serbs being used as a political tool by belgrade? well, you know, as, as i always say in my research, i think politicians across the globe and serbia is not always an exception. here. do play the nationalist card whenever they see it convenient for their political gains. however, the fact that that is sometimes potentially done is not the same as saying that certain concerns that, that's in the north might have a not legitimate. and you know, one of the things that's always been the most difficult part of negotiation between belgrade and police. tina is the association and it's
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a police officer in the north which is something that they are requiring to do. so i think that i think the situation is a bit more complicated and complex rather than just one side, using stabs from the north for their political gains. let me bring in florida and beaver here foreign. is it much more complicated or then it one side using another? well, i mean, it of course is complicated. i mean, i think it's very clear that the prime, you know, responsibility for the escalation we've seen in recent weeks has been the kind of very heavy handed kind of response to cost of was attempting to reduce uniform license plates across the country by belgrade. and encouraging kosovo serbs in the north to respond in a very intense manner. that doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate grievances. i would agree with. and i know that there are concerns. it's not that they don't have the minority rights. the rights are well established. it's just about kind of making a credible offer by the cost of one to 2 should sometimes to really incorporate the
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serbs to give them a sense that it's also they are state. and this kind of sense of unease is something which, which is playing on is amplifying. and of course he is controlling it. and we have to keep in mind that the main political party absorbs in the, in cos, is basically controlled by bell. great. and so belgrade tells the cost was served political representatives what to do, including a few weeks ago to withdraw from the institutions of cost of what all that really has been heating of the tension that it goes back to a point which helena was saying earlier about you know, is kosovo insistent independence. i mean, that's a normal after 13 years of independence and survey doesn't accept it. but the question is really why i was still in this place after 10 years of dialogue between serbian kosovo, mediated by the european union. why haven't we moved towards a more commer relations not recognition, but just an environment where those kind of tensions, unimaginable. i think they're the prime responsibility. realize with serbia not
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trying to to certain way, calm the atmosphere and moving towards accepting the status quo. it doesn't mean recognition, but it just means accepting the fact that there's a government constable which acts like a states. as an interesting question, let's ask it to mendoza. casara. lila, why have these talks failed? why have we even not go to a place where you can have an environment for talks actually because the box they open as i beginning started being at the beginning of this interview. it was not a matter of principles. there was no respect on the agreement. it was always very hard to implement agreement speaking, 1st of all, and then the 2nd, it was created a sense that within these 10 years of intensive talks, oper fine. and then as a later time, let's pretend because there was a different approach of serbia on the grounds versus what it was discussed. i was
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trying to reach brussels during the past 10 years. we had served yet increasing the number of the military present around the border because of all we have the situation actually even more than a rather been improving in between 253. in particular, when it comes to a security and the presence off, possibly in terms of what happened in the north, we had the agreement on the inclusion of serbs in the northern me. it's about this incarcerated. but then as we've seen, it recently have been directly under the director of which is also in relation to what to be with being earlier on the representation on that one party representing in parliament and in other institution. we've seen that their reaction has not been the representation on representing actually the need of customer service, be that in the north oriented, but more recognized in which is all possible. so as
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a member of parliament in the 2nd he turns, i've seen that i've never followed there and had raised our daily lives. a 3rd mostly had been regarding or intervening about any request that came directly. hello. can you just explain to us what bell grades point of view is why of these talks filed well from belgrade when of you, or at least how the government is arguing. basically they're saying that in the latest months, any attempt to negotiate have failed. because they argue that kosovo authorities don't seem to be willing to negotiate anymore. it is basically the statement that we can here to say almost any time he leaves brussels. and one particular point of condensation has been the association of serv, municipalities in northern causal. and i think, you know, if, if we're going to look at it from an objective point of view, i think one of the big reasons as to why negotiations are not working is because both sides are often resorting to blaming the other side and to not at all looking
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at the potential problems that they themselves are posing that that's exactly why i said at the beginning that this picture is way more complicated in serbia, always having its behavior and like at its best, no had service, sometimes frustrated negotiations, most certainly but has also done the same? absolutely. yes, this is that, that's one thing i think trying to see this thing from the other side's point of view and trying to understand the other side, grievances might actually be a better way forward when it comes to when it comes to negotiations. memos are your thoughts or just a 2nd body want to bring in. florian bieber head. florida is very difficult to negotiate. anything when there's a massive troop build up on your border, as we've seen. happen quite regularly from serbia. is that part of the problem? well, i mean, the stroke build ups, i'm more bluster, i mean, you know, really, you know, crossover is protected by a nature lead peacekeeping troops for serbia to imagine crossing this boundary or border, you know,
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this would escalate things survey doesn't want to risk awards nato. so i think this is not really to be taken seriously. i think much more serious is the fact that serbia has been intervening indirectly into casa, both through. it's in kind of more elicit less visible security structures. but i think what, what is really the case? and this is, i mean some of the blame needs to go back to the european union and i would agree with the late other. busy both countries have not been implementing all of the commitments they've signed up to. the problem is all of the commitments they've signed up to over the last decade, including the 1st can break through brussels agreement 9 years ago. um are very lacking in detail. so we don't know exactly what did they sign up to and they're kind of more like statements of intent and because they didn't want to kind of commit to a full contract. and so we don't really know who is to blame for non implementation is true that both sides have not lived up to the commitments they have made on paper, but those commitments are very thin. so when helena was talking about the cert
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municipal association of municipalities, which is supposed to be established, there's great controversy. whether that's kind of another layer of government, as serbia argues, or whether as kosovo argues, it's just kind of more informal network of those of those municipalities. and right . both sides are back because the anticipating some. busy talk about the final status, which would entail some kind of recognition by serbia casa, well, that's why it's hard to move forward. unless you're in listening intently that will florian was saying, do you agree that both sides have actually no implemented the agreements that they were supposed to? absolutely not for the 1st. and the most important fact that the agreement, the supposed to be and the discussion and negotiation, normalization of relations between 2 countries evolving in a final recognition and mutual recognition that the 2nd is that has been so much changing within this decade in the dialogue as well. and this is when i initially mention that there are no principal and values because if it is the principle that
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2 countries have to normalize relations and actually discuss about the full normalization that is not about discussing about internal affairs of the other country. if for example, and principal system, if we're talking about the minority, right. or asking for the association of municipalities of serving, then we can ask the question back to serbia, are you willing to establish the association of omarian's municipalities in serbia or other minorities is 3rd? yeah, 1st of all, 2nd, the initial agreement that was signed in 2013 and then re negotiated 2015 with additional layers that was declared against it was the grant, actually in violation of our past had foreseen the association of whole tenuous abilities of with majority of serbian population to engage or be a part of the association of serbian municipalities. whereas from 2017 to 2020,
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we had a discussion for the changes of borders. helena, what we're hearing from a flooring beaver is that needs to be some movement in the tools for both sides to get round the table. if you can agree on some things than the other, things don't seem to be that big a deal anymore. and agreements can be made, but having listened to what melissa is saying, you seem to be very, very far away from even the basics. there's no agreements in the near future, right. i would completely agree with that. and i think that is exactly why, for instance, the car registration plays escalated as much as it did. i know that to someone who is not from the region of doesn't follow the context of the region. it might seem a bit even silly that something like her registration phase can escalate to a point in which it did. the problem is that for the 2 sides, this is either seen as giving up sovereignty from serbia's point of view or substantially gained sovereignty from customer's point of view. and that's the reason why it is so hard to get the deal, because any even minor deals, any administrative deals at their bottom at their higher, i actually about sovereignty, whether customers gaining it or whether so be,
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is losing it, which is light is extremely, extremely difficult you come up with a deal that that would work and when you added the fact that you know that his eyes are more focused on blaming one another than actually trying to find a functional language. that just yet another level of obstacles for reaching a function of the between the device. florian, we're talking about 2 very young states here, both of them that fought a battle fur national identity off of the breakup of former yugoslavia. all of that has to play into this, right. it's about national identity serenity. as helena says, indeed it is. but you know, 10 years ago it looked a lot more promising that these things would become less front and center of the process. i mean, the, you really put the incentive for both to move beyond on the table by saying if you come to a settlement, membership is more likely you're going to join the union. and this is really where the whole thing has been stumbling attraction of joining the european union, much less they are than it was a decade ago, especially in serbia. there's barely
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a majority vote favor of joining the you and the government has been cut deliberately down, playing the attractiveness of your membership and the duties on part. and that really undermines this whole, the sort of way to transform does not into a 00 sum game. into something where actually both parties stand to win and this is really where, where things are stuck in many ways without an offer for both. especially for serbia which can live with the state of school much better than coastal can. there's really no way of moving things out of it and let's keep in mind the current conflict is all triggered by the fact that germany, france put a proposal on the table, which would normalize relations without serbia recognizing possible. and it's really in response to this proposal that things have escalated to largely degree because serbia has no interest in this proposal because this would actually kind of reduce tensions and would not allow it for the serbian government to use it for domestic purposes. and this is, you know,
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the main kind of immediate trigger which brought this escalation about in recent months. now most a work flooring baby seems to be saying, is that one of the big incentives of peace is a european union membership. a certain in serbia that's known as popular as perhaps it once was in an even in causal about maybe not as popular as it once will. so what is the incentive full piece for you guys? it's very important actually to focus on die right off the communities in including serving community. i think with the, sorry i was presented to the creation of independence in the rights of minority. so are definitely much more advanced than maybe in some of the countries. and if we are focusing on implementing those right and call grading and include increasing the dialogue between customers and use an answer. being community living for me is spelled is i think this is the a major improvement actually includes customer internal affairs. whereas in
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relation to serbia, i think just a matter of applicable international law, the same as it was with the ruler of international court of justice. that was independence did not violate international law. it should be a good ground. and we're talking about here, serbia, that is a country that has a state as a candid country for the european union. and i think it has to be more advanced. definitely in actually reflecting on the principles of and the rights of communities in serbia or other majorities, others may not just me a little time and it's a very interesting point you make. i do want to bring it up with helena. i mean, there is a law of diminishing returns here. the has had a role for 10 years. however, it seems to get weaker every stage of negotiation over the stage. now, where the role is just simply unhelpful. well,
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i wouldn't say that it is unhelpful. i think the international community presence is something that is often crucial for the escalating any tensions as we've seen in the last few days. and as we've seen in the summer. i also think that the international community involvement in general is serving is a very good turns for both sides not to overly escalate. so i wouldn't say that it's not helpful. what i would say however, is that it's leverage and its ability to respond effectively or to really influence the relevant actors is decreasing over the years. partly because the confidence, at least on service from serbia is point of view. the confidence that somebody will ever really joined to block is incredibly low because the negotiations have been dragging on. and you know, that's, that's what i think is actually the case with foreign lever. if moscow simply turned around and said, ok, you guys make peace, peace, what happened? right? well, i don't think so. i mean, you know, service pursuing its own interest, its own agenda. it's not, not really. you know, it's,
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it's looking for protection from russia when it comes to your membership of kosovo, but services on actor has its own interest. and it's going to do what, you know, especially the current government. we have to also distinguish between society and large and the government. the government has a particular agenda that's keeping the status quo because it's also domestically. we have to keep in mind, serbia has becoming less democratic over the last decade. it's been the government of which has been really, really downgrading media freedoms independent institutions. and so to sort of the way the cost of a conflict helps him to distract from this issue. and so from that point of view, he does what he sees in his best interest, no matter what you know, other actors might say, melissa, what do you think of, would you think the of the, i did actually, russian doesn't have that much of a role to play and so anyway, i know you've been critical of those things before. well, actually i share a different opinion. i think there is a major role of serbia. however,
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considering the recent events in particular of young promote a freshman, there were 3 and actually a statement on dividing itself from that in the sense yes, on be international or in b, r for serbia is not a very beneficial point. when it comes to the question, i think there is been focus in general actually right over the events of 99. so be a last were and then find again in a dialogue something that is lost during the work. and that is very destructive of even itself because you are not thinking about the piece and you're not thinking regardless of what you're saying, you're not in the normalization, but you're thinking about how you actually can switch the reality that happened in the ground that had been developed on, in recent years, including the declaration of independence, b, b, i guess some, but you're actually, i claim everything as big as it happens. the band with band aids
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and with actually b a have been in position and i want to thank all our guests, missouri, casara, lela, helena, even off and florian beaver. and i want to thank you as well for watching. now you can see the program again, any time by this thing. i was like out there a dot com for further discussion, go to a facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash asia inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at asia in touch story. for me, i'm wrong on the whole team here. ah ah.
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