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of congo, but an earlier promise to withdraw from another town called a sham by the congolese army conflict as falls, many people to flee the region. and the un investigation has documented widespread human rights abuses. so what are the prospects for a lasting peace? this is inside story. ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. hopes for peace or another? false dawn, that's what people are asking in democratic republic of congo. where m 23 fighters have pledged to leave roman garbo. that's the town with a large military base in the east. but the congolese army says a similar pledge to quit another strategic town. it can bomba in december hasn't

happened since the m $23.00 group emerged more than a decade ago. conflict in the country has killed thousands of people. it was dormant for some time before returning a year ago. taking control of territory. hundreds of thousands have been forced to flee the violence on the un says human rights abuses a widespread. rwanda is widely understood to support the m $23.00, but it's something kigali denies. patrick maria contemporary is the mentor of communication and media for democratic republic of congo. he told al jazeera, he believed that latest promise by m to $2340.00 to pull out will be fulfilled because of the extent of negotiations involved beforehand. we strong belief that day. why not? because he's the one acting beyond 23 will see respect or commitment we meant to get or following are missing in the and following the recommendation made by ordinated by older countries, nations, united states, french or spanish,

or germany or this country are being run on it as president, asking them respect, would they read on wonder process it beat back in the town, but believe that it will be done. that's the only way we can avoid using forces will be discussing the prospects for peace with our guests and just a few moments. but 1st, catherine saw reports on the hopes raised by the m 23, the latest promise of a withdrawal. this is a very significant move in the d r c. this maybe thursday. so we're talking about very strategic. it had been taken over by empty. we rebels the way using it for logistics and operations. and basically, what has been happening is that m rebels have been withdrawing from some of the

territories that they had been occupying. they say that this is because of goodwill, that they want to show the government because they want to negotiate with the government. they particularly wanted to go back to agreement that was made several years ago, which included into bracing the rebels into the army. now we have spoken to government officials who are saying that this will never happen. a civil society groups that we've been talking to. i say that they are called because on the one hand and the rebels is saying that they are committed to withdrawing from these territories that are holding. on the other hand, you're also seeing ongoing a fighting between them. 23, the government and militias that are allied to the government. so many people

are saying that they are, you feel fools. people are still being displayed. people running away from their home, with your mind to try to go back to the village. but then it was impossible for him to do that because of the security situation. so he had to go back to the com to the situation is still very fluid. indeed, all estimates of the numbers have been killed in violence in east and democratic republic of congo. since the late 19 ninety's, very with some sang more than 5000000 people have died. many groups have been engaged in fighting, notably the march 23 movement or m 23. it's a rebel military group based in the eastern areas of d, r. c, mainly in the province of north kiva. a region rich in natural resources is leadership is made up of members of the to see ethnic group. they say they're a mr. fight groups founded by hutus who federal wander after the genocide in 1994.

the rebels merged with the congolese army under 2009 p steel, but in 2012 they said the agreement had not been upheld and broke away. more than a 120 other rebel groups also operates in the region. ah, well let's bring in our guests now. jaffar alika tanti is a reporter based and democratic republic of congo, or d r c. he joins us via skype from goma. twenties from my ruby is john mobar, singer. he's a d r. c researcher at amnesty international. and felix ender hinder who's from d r. c. as a consultant and research of focusing on conflict, peace and justice in the great lakes region, he joins us from til back in the netherlands. a very warm welcome to all of you at jaffar is the withdrawal of m. 23 from rowman gab. gabriella, is it going to happen?

don't have much information on what is going to go, except that communication from m 23 and from. ringback the community eligible for that and the 3 is live in the city today, but he didn't want generally to call the ceremony. we don't have, we don't have much information at the moment. maybe let, we'll get it back on ground here and go. many people don't believe in what is going on because last time in december and let the 3 and now is withdraw from cuba and the original for a complaint, them a living in cuba and media coverage. but then when i did it from cuba decided to return back to their city. they found m $23.00 in cuba. so people in go

. mm. i think this is a. ringback joke a how it's somehow to job with government is people, let's know, the one that i'm trying to think is leaving the page area and for sure they're not move in for anything and, and women room and kappa is a strategic town, isn't in the military base that and indeed is just one hour drive from where you are in gamma. yes, remember, is important. it's a big for program about in the say, brothers and urban double for not q who is the biggest military bell. so when i 1st to see love, what was their biggest been? it was lack someone who law is capital city for privacy. and if i'm going to 3 we live, remember for sure this will be

a big news for colors people. and this is what, what is people are waiting for that they don't to us because when they say they are living, they leave cuba, they get it live number of people, say, felix and i handle. why would am 23 say that it is leaving these places at this point in time? oh, i think there was a coalition of such as observed made make that happen. i get up. first in, in recent waits we saw, ah, images of congress officials meeting of the, the officials of the m 23. i'm something that i've been most of the time that i found something that would not happen and tend to be having been framed as the terrorists were part so on. but we see congolese official, the army commanders landed meeting with him pretty 3 involved in some negotiations

which have been kept. moralist, sir, is secretive now, and we know that this was more advertised by m 23 rather than the official college government. now the other part is of course we have already the presence of their regional force through their east african community or source which are they are to monitor but also peer representing some kind of pressure even if they are not been yet forcefully. operational, i'm side of course, so quite a number of all pressure has been to an enrichment circle of nations by your question number of western countries, especially towards rhonda supporting m 23. so what's a number of polish factors that may mean that probably withdraw might end up happening? wouldn't necessarily be today. but with that in we keep this in mind. you the facts about the room. i'm gonna use one plant, but it's a story about energy, christine ok, 5 is quite large. i'm if i remember very well on backward,

he probably can count on that. but if i remember correctly, montgomery was occupied up to an initial attack by a, by the what it was trying to, to, to, to, to take over occupied by age, by counsel for the church. i go fight, but i'm sure to preach, but the accounts are fast. to fade, so in that sense entrance, i think it was also already traits that that where they have to come back to you by all of that. joseph showed me whether or not am 23 actually withdraws from these areas. we must bear in mind, must me that they have been defeated before, and they have lain dormant only to we emerge again. what's to say that's not going to repeat. yes, that's not actually the. a good question. i. 10 years ago, i am 23 captured gomer. and then they withdrew from gama,

from the town of grammar. before they were tucked in and defeated me literally, from other towns around come. so whether they withdraw don't withdraw from roman garbo interviewer. the question that we have to ask ourselves is, why did they capture these towns in 1st place? so what has been soft? they have been calling for negotiations direct negotiations with years. the government, which continues to refuse to sit down with them. then wonder community care, which is which infantry says is implementing by withdrawing from these towns, said they should go back to the areas around the border. it's rhonda where the where based by november 2021. when under that condition,

the colonies government may consider engaging in talks with them. so we are still far from there because while there withdrawing from the outreach outskirts of gama, they are also capturing new cities and new towns in the north of near the border. we shoot gander on, but at the end of the day, the question is really addressing the causes of entered a 3 and other and groups in east and your see. and so far we are still extremely away from, from the objective. and this causes include on uh, from our perspective, the necessity to address the endemic impunity or crimes committed in the over the past 26 years. ah, but also making the ddr program. did you somebody disarmament and did the mobilization program walk in also addressing other concerns including

local governors of land nash, natural resources, identity and other and other issues. so as long as these issues will not have been addressed, they might withdraw by the could actually come back on later on. as on whether you bring up an awful lot of points, they're less acts. i let her pick up the point of impunity. jaffar, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by the latest fighting, horrific reports of rape of slaughter. but this is abused that people have suffered in this area for decades. why do these crimes happen with impunity? ah, it's very complicated situation because, you know, 1st just see has an ethnic problems since long

time and on ethnic group is our militia, and they call it brought the rocket fence full. so i'm to get 3 as rebellion, which is supported by rhonda. what color is the say is, and then i me, old on your militia, in the region. so there is no i can it be, it's come by many people to talk about coalition of government. so government, soldiers and militia that coalition doesn't exist, but there are, there are some militia which are called local defense militia who are fighting against l. 23 to, to protect their own communities. war is not a good thing because f d c work but not to fight against. enter the 3 and again militia and one more

thing. you know, this situation is also becoming complicated to the congress. gov met because during the night all the dogs on the leash out was invited such as young dora and my group. but after that they did it, dan, and i think that this withdrawal is a way to boost the government of v r c 2. and they will share in the table with because they still fighting in other cities. last yesterday they took the control over your media and then day before yesterday and the 3 was fighting to shout. so they are fighting in other places. and they live in some other places. okay, though i think this is definitely. busy co i'm 2 to 3 to go just to

negotiate with them. okay. and it also seems to be quite effective as not allowing the central government to take control in easton, d r c. and i wonder felix, if that is part of the problem here, the government in kinshasa is so far away and it simply doesn't have control over this region. it's imposed a state of siege since may 2021, a state of emergency and effect. and yet it still hasn't brought situation under control, phoenix on it ever kind of rushing on at least know that many of the problems you have been discussing now or so. we have been discussing about the geography of the last more than 20, yet have really to do with the witness of congress institution, including the central government in the 1st place. and also the, the local governments kind of unit, public cognition. and in a lower level,

the fact of the about the remains, but you have all of these travels and $2300.00 plus groups. that's my plate already talked about. i do, i do do 2 as well. we have the because of, before we do that, created by the, if it was, if it has been simply incapable of exerting that monopoly of violence that we know is the eager, is there a prerogative, august and beyond? the monopoly of course, is that the step has just been really pretty much obvious center. i'm even upset. it's quite very kind of wick and involved in fact kind of struggled and much of the, the, the keep was really hard. once you get to the periphery, and they have to paraphrase, not only even in the last 20 years, but when i look into academic kind of work that it use in my, onward, it's even been before under the late years of the mobile to era. so because of his options, of, of course, that the last week i got faith, you're healthy proliferation of these groups when fill the void. and then i need my

like a little bit what i think some of the points that you have med, there's a lot of dependent reports about how documented how the government's own and don't worry about a policy or individual kind of member. what kind of sort of march we did in the army to supply weapon, but sometimes intervene in cooperation with some of the because it i 2nd given narrative. so, so that function, for example, this is mentioned about i did it issues about or to talk on october to people who do not belong, was a communist narratives in north and south. he walked on, we know now he has been, did ask for the you, and a lot of your under speaking population are all kind of in some together as being an intricate free and be happy to be shipped out of the country. they have been quite a lot of acts of targeting specific communities, even if members of other communities suffer in all of this prevailing house. so

with that in mind, this tends to really has been a part of really the problem and will be unable to excite power, exert control and have institution in close to the nursing and kind of is it for protection equal rights and equal. so let's say program gives us the social is on the verge of to throw in. so that makes the east africa community is now going to send a regional force with troops coming from various other countries. is that a good idea? so is it a good idea? or a bad idea, i wouldn't be able to answer that question, at least from our perspective of the human rights organization. but it is clear that there is no military response to the, to the situation in it's in your see the problem you need, and yours is preliminarily political. and also, you know, as i said in terms of human rights addressing, impunity which concerns many point your see, but others also in the region. iran,

9 barone, the uganda and other countries that have been involved in the coffee to me and your, you know, in the years you, for the last 2 digits. so, the problem being political, it should also be addressed political. but this doesn't mean these endless and useless talks, like what we saw in robi a couple of weeks ago. which seems like a joke. it has to be serious, you know, identifying the real problems and dealing with them appropriate in an effective way. because in the past, we have in political agreements find sometimes guaranteeing impunity for these criminals and that has not allowed the situation to improve nina. so while this is the solution should be political mainly that each each will also

be taken more seriously. drawing lessons from the failures of the past. now on the military side it's, it's pretty rugged to use military force. and even to invite, you know, foreign countries jean korean. but our only demand as a human rights organization is that any user force should be done in, in alignment, we saw international law. so whether it is the call is army or, or enter into 3 or the eastern african community, regional force. or even the un peacekeeping mission, the all should abide by the international law and prioritize protection of. yeah, absolutely. and on that note to far, we haven't really touched on the un peacekeeping mission. want us go. it's been that since 1999 is one of the world's largest and most expensive missions. why has

it failed to keep the peace the un mission? i think they failed because the child's many times their mandates, but nothing was done. now for sure, for that population, for example, ah, in a, in, in 1998, when monica cam there was filled on 100 on a group in the r c. no day we have hundreds and more groups, jobs is then probably off. and now people i have missed 2 out of you and i don't think they can succeed anymore because no, i don't like them. if the, if you talk with local people. busy you'll see that they all don't believe on un,

and i don't think they can succeed when local doesn't brought in them. and now where is the african regional falls? if them monday will be different than what they have. because i've said more since they came there is not anything of military and government for on the if the can community regional falls and on roku of the on the wall spread. seeing on that because when coming people. busy it didn't go so that they come to friday to engage against m. 23 and other groups. and now the dog and most fighting. and the same moment i can still ongoing in other jones, in other territories and other preventive. and that i,

we do have in our discussions to apologies for interrupting you that we have run out of time to fall out catan t as on my best nga and felix and i hope that thank you very much for joining us today and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. there's our dessert dot com for further discussion. do go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha. inside story. you close it during the conversation on twitter handle as as a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here. bye for now. a ah.

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