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a town in eastern democratic republic of congo. but an earlier from is to withdraw from another town called a sham by the congolese army conflict. as for many people to flee the region and the un investigation has documented widespread human rights abuses. so what are the prospects for lasting peace? this is inside story. ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle: hopes for peace or another false dorm. that's what people are asking in democratic republic of congo, where m 23 fighters have pledged to leave room and garbo. that's a town with a large military base in the east, but the congolese army says a similar pledge to quit another strategic town can bomba in december hasn't

happened since the m $23.00 group emerged more than a decade ago. conflict in the country has killed thousands of people. it was dormant for some time before returning a year ago, taking control of territory. hundreds of thousands have been forced to flee the violence of the un says human rights abuses a wide spread. rwanda is widely understood to support the m $23.00, but it's something kick ali denies. patrick maria contemporary is the mentor of communication and media for democratic republic of congo. he told al jazeera, he believed the as promised by m to 23. 40 to pull out will be fulfilled because of the extent of negotiations involved beforehand. we strong believe at the end of the day. why not? because one guy, he's the one acting beyond 23 will see respect for me man, we meant to get are following our missing and by the end portal. every premeditation made by ordinated by older countries, by united nations,

united states, french or spanish, or germany, or does country and in and then run on it as asking them respect. would they read on wonder process it beat back in the town by that time? believe not to be done, that's the only way we can avoid using forces will be discussing the prospect for peace with our guests and just a few moments. but 1st, catherine saw reports on the hopes raised by the m 23, the latest promise of a withdrawal. this is a very significant move in than d r. c, the military base. so we're talking about is very strategic. it had been taken over by empty rebels, they were using it for their logistics and operations. and basically, what has been happening is that m t rebels have been withdrawing from some of the territory that they had been occupying. they say that this is because of

goodwill. that they want to show the government because they want to negotiate with a government. they particularly want to go back to agreement that was made several years ago, which included into bracing the rebels into the army. now we have spoken to government officials who are saying that this will never happen. a civil society groups that we've been talking to. i said that they are sceptical because on the one hand and the rebels is saying that they are committed to withdrawing and from these territories that was, that are holding. on the other hand, you're also seeing ongoing a fighting between m 23, the government and initiative that are allied to the government. so many people

are saying that they are, you feel war people are still being displayed, people running away from their home, with your mind, just try to go back to home village. but then it was impossible for him to do that because of the security situation. so he had to go back to the com to the situation is feel very fluid indeed. well, estimates of the numbers have been killed in violence in east and democratic republic of congo since the late 19 ninety's, very with sunset. more than 5000000 people have died. many groups have been engaged in fighting, notably the march 23 movement or m. 23. it's a rebel military group based in the eastern areas of d, r. c, mainly in the province of north kiva. region rich in natural resources is leadership is made up of members of the truancy ethnic group. they say their aim is to fight groups founded by hutus,

who fled to wander after the genocide in 1994. the rebels merged with the congolese army under a 2009 piece deal, but in 2012 they said the agreement had not been upheld and broke away on a 120 other rebel groups also operates in the region. ah, well let's bring in our guests now. jaffar alika tanti is a reporter based and democratic republic of congo, or d r c. he joins us via skype from goma. joining us from my ruby is john webber, singer. he's a d r c researcher at amnesty international and felix ender hinder who's from d r. c, the consultant and research of focusing on conflict, peace and justice in the great lakes region. he joins us from til berg, in the netherlands of a warm welcome to all of you. a jaffar is the withdrawal of m. 23 from roman gab. gabriella, is it going to happen?

i don't have much information on what is going in the room and i will access the communication from m 23 and from the is duncan community original falls and the 3 is live in the city today. but i didn't want generally to call the ceremony. we don't have, we still don't have much information at the moment. maybe let me get it back on ground here and go. many people don't believe in what is going on because last time in december and to 3 and now is withdraw from cuba and the original for a complaint. i am living in a. 2 and media coverage, but when i did it from cuba decided to return back to their city. they found m. 23 in cuba. so people in go my think this is a joke,

a how it's somehow to job with government is people, let's know, the one that i'm trying to think is leaving the page area and for sure they are not move in for anything and women room and kappa is a strategic town, isn't in the military base that and indeed it's just one hour drive from where you are in going yes, room hon is important. it's a big room about in the say, brothers and urban double for not q who is the biggest military bell. so when i for d. c. lofty, whoa, whoa, there. biggest bill? it was luck. someone who law is capital city for a for the see. and if l 23 we live, remember for sure this will be

a big news for commer is people. and this is what's going on as people are waiting for that they don't to us because when they say they are living, they leave cuba, they get it live cuba, people say felix and i handle. why would m? 23 say that it is leaving these places at this point in time. i think there was a coalition of factions observe, made, make that happen. i get up. first in, in recent waits we saw, ah, images of congress of he shows meeting of the officials of the m. 23. are something that has been most of the time that has been something that would not happen and transfer having been framed as it every single part. so on. but we see congolese official army commanders ran to meeting with emp, pretty 3 involved in some negotiations which have been kept. moralist, sir,

is secretive now, and we know that this was more advertised by 23 rather than the official congress dot net. now the other part is of course we have already the presence of the regional force through the east african community air force, which are they are to monitor but also peer representing some kind of pressure even if they have not been yet forcefully. operational, i'm side of course we saw quite a number of all pressure has been to our recent circling notions by quite a number of western countries, especially towards run to supporting m 23. but quite a number of polish factors that may mean that probably withdraw might end up happening wouldn't necessarily be today. but with that in that we keep this in mind . you the facts about room on global use one plants, but potentially about m 2015. ok. 5 is quite large. i'm, if i remember very well backward, he probably can count on that. but if i remember correctly,

montgomery was occupied up to an initial attack by a, by the, what is i was trying to, to, to, to, to take over actually occupied by age, by count on the touch of 5 by extra to reach. but the accounts are fussy, fade, so in that sense entrance, i think it was also already traits that, that where that you have the capacity to toki by all of that or just move whether or not m 23 actually withdraws from these areas. we must bear in mind, must me that they have been defeated before, and they have lain dormant only to we emerge again. what's to say that's not going to repeat. yes, that's not actually the. a good question. i. 10 years ago, i am 23 captured gomer. and then they withdrew from gama,

from the town of grammar. before the where i tucked in and defeated me literally from other towns around come. so whether they withdraw all don't withdraw from roman garbo into boomer. the question that we have to ask ourselves is, why did they capture these towns in 1st place? so what has been soft? they have been calling for negotiations direct negotiations with years, the government, which continues to refuse to sit down with them. then wonder communique which is which infantry says is implementing by withdrawing from these towns, said they should go back to the areas around the border weeks round are where the, where, based by november 2021 in lind under that condition,

the colonies government may consider engaging in talks with them. so we are still far from there because while there withdrawing from the outreach or outskirts of gama, they are also capturing new cities and new towns in the north of near the border which you gander on. but at the end of the day, the question is really addressing the causes of entered a 3 and other and groups in east and your see. and so far we are still extremely away from, from the objective. and this causes include on us from our perspective, the necessity to address the endemic impunity or crimes committed in the over the past to 6 years. ah, but also making the ddr program, did you somebody the disarmament and the mobilization program walk and also

addressing other concerns including local governors of land nash, natural resources, identity and other and other issues. so as long as these issues will not have been addressed, they might withdraw by the could actually come back on later on. as on whether you bring up an awful lot of points there less acts i let her pick up the point of impunity. a jaffar, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by the latest fighting, horrific reports of rate of slaughter. but this is abused that people have suffered in this area for decades. why do these crimes happen with impunity? ah, it's very complicated situation because, you know, friends just say has an ethnic problems since long

time and all ethnic group is our militia and they call it broke. the rocket fence falls. so i'm going to 3 as rebellion, which is supported by rhonda. what color is the say is, and then i me, old on your militia in the region. so there is no i can it be, it's come back. many people to talk about a coalition of government. so government, soldiers and militia that coalition doesn't exist, but there are, there are some militia which are called local defense militia, who are fighting against hampton to 3, to, to protect their own communities. war is not a good thing because f d c. what not to fight against,

enter the 3 and against militia. and one more thing, you know, this situation is also becoming complicated to the congress. gov met because during the night all the dogs on the leash out was invited, such as young tora and my group. but after that, they did it then, and i think that this withdrawal is a way to boost the government of v r c to and they will. she has it in the table with because they still fighting in other cities not yesterday. they took the control over your media mom and then day before yesterday . ringback and the 3 was fighting to shout, so they are fighting in other places and they live in some other places. okay. do i do? this is me. oh,

i'm to 3 to call the government just to negotiate with them. okay. and it also seems to be quite effective as not allowing the central government to take control in easton, d r. c. and i wonder felix if fast as part of the problem here, the government in kinshasa is so far away and it simply doesn't have control over this region. it's imposed a state of siege since may 2021, a state of emergency and effect. and yet it still hasn't brought situation under control. felix on it. ever kind of rushing on at least not that many of the problems you have been discussing now or so. we have been discussing about the geography of the last more than 20 yet. have really to do with the witness of congress institution, including the central government in the 1st place and also the, the local governance kind of unit, public professional and in a lower level. the fact of the matter remains,

but you have all of these problems and $2300.00 plus i've got that to my colleague already talked about. i do i do to to as well. we have the, because of, before we do that, created by the fit which is been, has been simply incapable of exerting that monopoly of violence that we know is either is their prerogative of beyond the monopoly of course, is that the step has just been really pretty much obvious center, even before it's quite very kind of wick involved in fact period kind of struggled . 100 much of the, the, the keep was really hot. once you get to the periphery. and they have, in the paraphrase, not only even in the last 20 years, but when i look into academic kind of work that it use in my, onward, it's even been before under the late yes, of the mobile to era. so because of his options, of, of course, that the last week i got faith, you're healthy, proliferation of these groups wins. fill the void. and i'm not like

a little bit. but i think some of the points that have med, there's a lot of dependent reports about how documented how the government's own and oh, for a policy or individual kind of member, what kind of sort of market we did in the army to supply weapon. but sometimes intervene in cooperation with some of the because it i 2nd given narrative. so, so that function, for example, this is, i'm a mentioned about i did it issues about or to talk on october to people, you know, who do not belong to those are communist narratives. in north and south. he walked on, we know now he has been dead asked for the you and a lot of your under speaking population are all kind of and some together as being entreated 3 and be happy to be shipped out of the country. there have been quite a lot of acts of targeting specific communities, even if members of other communities suffer in all of this. we've only krause. so

with that in mind, this tends to really has been a part of really the problem and will be unable to excite power, exert control and have institution in place with target healthy and kind of if, if a protection equal rights and equals. so let's say program, given the social sciences on the verge of to throw in. so that makes the east africa community is now going to send a regional force with troops coming from various other countries. is that a good idea? so is it a good idea or a bad idea? i wouldn't be able to answer that question at least from our perspective of the human rights organization. but it is clear that there is no military response to the, to the situation, and it's in your see the problem, you need, and yours is preliminarily political. and also, you know, as i said in terms of human rights, you know, addressing impunity which concerns many point your see. but others also in the

region. iran die and burn the in uganda and other countries that have been involved in the coffee to me and your, you know, in the, during the, for the last 2 digits. so, the problem being political, it should also be addressed political. but this doesn't mean these endless and useless talks, like what we saw in my role be a couple of weeks ago, which seems like a joke. it has to be serious, you know, identifying the real problems and dealing with them appropriate in an effective way. because in the past, we have in political agreements signed, sometimes guaranteeing impunity for these criminals, and that has not allowed the situation to improve nina. so while this is the solution should be political mainly that each each will also be

taken more seriously. drawing lessons from the failures of the past. now, on the military side it's, it's pretty rugged to use military force in even to invite, you know, foreign countries to intervene. but our only remained as a human rights organization. is that any user what should be done? in, in alignment, we saw international law. so whether it is the comb with live army or, or intern to 3 or the eastern african community regional force, or even the un peacekeeping mission, the all should abide by the international law and prioritize protection of. yeah, absolutely. and on that note to far, we haven't really touched on the un peacekeeping mission. want us go. it's been, this is 1999. is one of the world's largest and most expensive missions. why has it

failed to keep the peace? the un mission. i think they failed because they've changed many times their mandates, but nothing was done now for sure. for that population, for example, in a, in, in 1998, when more school chem, they're all filled on 100 on the group in the r c. no day we have. busy hundreds and more groups jobs is then probably off. and now people are mistrust or un, i don't think they can succeed anymore because no, i don't like them if they go. if you talk with local people, you'll see that they all don't believe on un. and i don't think they can succeed

when locals doesn't brought in them. and now where is the freak under general falls? if them monday, will it be different than what they have? because i've said more bay. since they came, there is not anything of military and government for on the if the african community regional falls and on local via the walls affecting on death. because when cunning people, oh, it didn't go so that they come to friday to engage against m. 23 and another rebel groups, and now they are talking and not fighting. and the same moment i can still ongoing in other jones, in other very tories and other provinces. and that i think we do have in our

discussions to apologies for interrupting you that we have run out of time to find out catan t as on my best nga and felix and i hope that thank you very much for joining us today and thank you to for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. there's our dessert dot com for further discussion. do go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha. inside story. you close it during the conversation on twitter. let's add a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here. bye for now. a ah

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