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a town in eastern democratic republic of congo. but an earlier from is to withdraw from another town called a sham by the congolese army conflict of fulls. many, pete was a flea the region and the un investigation documented widespread human rights abuses. so what are the prospects for lasting peace? this is inside story. ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle: hopes for peace or another? false dawn, that's what people are asking in democratic republic of congo, where m 23 fighters have pledged to leave room and garbo. that's a town with a large military base in the east, but the congolese army says a similar pledge to quit another strategic town. it can bomba in december hasn't

happened since the m $23.00 group emerged more than a decade ago. conflict in the country has killed thousands of people. it was dormant for some time before returning a year ago, taking control of territory. hundreds of thousands have been forced to flee the violence on the un says human rights abuses a widespread. rwanda is widely understood to support the m $23.00, but it's something kick. golly denies. patrick maria contemporary is the mentor of communication and media for democratic republic of congo. he told al jazeera, he believed the latest promised by m to 23. 40 to pull out will be fulfilled because of the extent of negotiations involved beforehand. we strongly that at the end of the day, why not? because one guy you, the one acting beyond 23 will see respect for me man. we meant to dinner following our missing and by the end following the representation made by ordinated by or

countries starting by united nations, united states, french or spanish, or germany, or does country and in convent runa as president. asking then the respect would the i read online the process in beach in the town, but believe that it will be done. that's the only way we can avoid using forces will be discussing the prospects for peace with our guests and just a few moments. but 1st, catherine saw reports on the hopes raised by the m 23, the latest promise of a withdrawal. this is a very significant move in the d. r. c. the military base. so we're talking about is very strategic. it had been taken over by empty rebels, they were using it for their logistics and operations. and basically, what has been happening is that mt rebels have been withdrawing from some of the territories that they had been occupying. they say that this is because of

goodwill that they want to show the government because they want to negotiate with a government. they particularly want to go back to agreement that was made several years ago, which included into bracing the rebels into the army. now we have spoken to government officials who are saying that this will never happen. a civil society groups that we've been talking to. i said that they are sceptical because on the one hand the rebels is saying that they are committed to withdrawing from these territories. that was, that are holding. on the other hand, you're also seeing ongoing a fighting between m. 23, the government and munitions that are allied to the government. so many people

are saying that they are, you feel war. people are still being displayed, people running away from their home, with your mind, just try to go back to the home village. but then it was impossible for him to do that because of the security situation. so he had to go back to the com to the situation is feel very fluid indeed. well, estimates of the numbers have been killed in violence in east and democratic republic of congo since the late 19 ninety's, very with sunset. more than 5000000 people have died. many groups have been engaged in fighting, notably the march 23 movement or m. 23. it's a rebel military group based in the eastern areas of d, r. c, mainly in the province of north kiva. region rich in natural resources is leadership is made up of members of the to see ethnic group. they say their aim is to fight groups founded by hutus, who federal wonder after the genocide in 1994,

the rebels merged with the congolese army under a 2009 piece deal. but in 2012, they said the agreement had not been upheld and broke away. all in a 120 other rebel groups also operates in the region. ah, well let's bring in our guests now. jaffar alika tanti is a reporter based and democratic republic of congo, or d r c. he joins us via skype from goma. johnny's from my ruby is john mobar, singer. he's a d r. c researcher at amnesty international. and felix and the hinder who is from d r. c. as a consultant and research of focusing on conflict, peace and justice in the great lakes region, he joins us from til berg in the netherlands of a warm welcome to all of you. a to far is the withdrawal of m. 23 from roman gab. gabriella, is it going to happen?

don't have much information on what is going to go, except the communication from m 23 and from. ringback the community eligible for that and the 3 is live in the city today, but he didn't want generally to call the ceremony. we don't have, we don't have much information at the moment. maybe let, we'll get it back on ground here and go. many people don't believe in what is going on because last time in december and the 3 and now is withdrawal from cuba and the original for a complaint, them a living in cuba and media coverage. but then when i did it from cuba decided to return back to their city. they found m $23.00 in cuba. so people in go

. mm. i think this is a. ringback joke a how it's somehow to job with government is people, let's know, the one that i'm trying to think is leaving the page area and for sure they're not move in for anything and, and room and room. and kappa is a strategic town, isn't in the military base that and indeed is just one hour drive from where you are in gamma. yes, remember, is important. it's a big problem about in the say, brothers and urban double for not q who is the biggest military bell. so when i 1st to see law fi, whoa, whoa, there, biggest bill? it was luck. someone who law is capital city for privacy. and if l 23 we live, remember for sure this will be

a big news for commer is people. and this is what's going on. people are waiting for that. they don't to us because when they say they are living, they leave cuba, they get it live cuba, people say, felix and i hinder. why would am 23 say that it is leaving these places at this point in time? i think there was a coalition of such as absurd, made make that happen. i get up 1st in, in recent waits we saw, ah, images of congress officials meeting or the the officials of the m 23. i'm something that i've been most of the time that i've got something that would not happen and transfer having been framed as it every single part. so on. but we see congress official army commanders land meeting with him pretty 3 involved in some negotiations which have been kept. moralists is secretive now and we know that this

was more advertised by m 23 rather than the official college government. now the other part is of course we have already the presence of their regional force through their east african community and source which are they are to monitor but also peer representing some kind of pressure even if they are not been yet forcefully. operational, i'm side of course, so quite a number of all pressure has been did in recent circling nations by your question number of western countries, especially towards ronda. supporting m 23. so what's a number of polish factors that may mean that probably withdraw might end up happening? wouldn't necessarily be today. but with that in that we keep this in mind. you the facts about the room and what you want plant, but it's a story about energy. christine ok, 5 is quite large. i'm if i remember very well on backward. he probably can

count on that. but if i remember correctly, montgomery was occupied up to an initial attack by a, by the, what is i was trying to, to, to, to, to take over occupied by age, by counsel for the church. i go fight by empty, preach, but the accounts are fussy, fade. so in that sense entrance, i think it was also already traits that, that were, that you have to come back to you by all of that or just move whether or not am 23 actually withdraws from these areas. we must bear in mind, must me that they have been defeated before, and they have lain dormant only to we emerge again. what's to say that's not going to repeat. yes, that sounds actually the a good question i, 10 years ago i am 23 captured gomer. and then they

withdrew from gomer from the town of grammar. before they were tucked in and defeated me literally from other towns around come. so whether they withdraw all don't withdraw from roman garbo interviewer. the question that we have to ask ourselves is, why did they capture these towns in 1st place? so what has been soft? they have been calling for negotiations direct negotiations with years. the government which continues to refuse to sit down with them. they wanna communicate, which is which infantry says is implementing by withdrawing from these towns, said they should go back to the areas around the border with ronda, where the where, based by november 2021 in lind under that condition,

the colonies government may consider engaging in talks with them, so we are still far from there because while there withdrawing from the outreach or outskirts of gama, they are also capturing new cities and new towns in the north near the border which you gander. but at the end of the day, the question is really addressing the causes of entered history in other and groups in east india or c. and so far we are still extremely away from, from the objective. and these causes include on us from our perspective, the necessity to address the endemic impunity or crimes committed in deal the over the past to 6 years. ah, but also making the ddr program, did you somebody disarmament and the mobilization program walk and also addressing

other concerns including local governors of land nash, natural resources, identity and other and other issues. so as long as these issues will not have been addressed, they might withdraw by the could actually come back on later on. as on whether you bring up an awful lot of points, they're less acts. i let her pick up the point of impunity. jaffar, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by the latest fighting, horrific reports of rape of slaughter. but this is abused that people have suffered in this area for decades. why do these crimes happen with impunity? ah, it's very complicated situation because, you know, 1st just say has an ethnic problems since long

time and all ethnic group is our militia and they call it brought that the rocket fence falls. so i'm to get 3 as a rebellion, which is supported by rhonda, what color is the say is and then i me, old on your militia in the region. so there is no i can it be. it's come by many people to talk about coalition of government. so government, soldiers and militia that coalition doesn't exist. but there are, there are some militia which are called local defense militia who are fighting against allison to 3 to, to protect their own communities. war is not a good thing because f d c work but not to fight against. enter the 3 and against militia. and one more

thing, you know, this situation is also becoming complicated to the congress. gov met because during the night all the dogs on the leash out was invited such as young dora and my group. but after that they did it then. and i think that this withdrawal is a way to boost the government of v r c 2. and they will share in the table with because they still fighting in other cities lot. yesterday they took the control over your media and then day before yesterday and the 3 was fighting to shout. so they are fighting in other places and they live in some other places. okay, though i think this is definitely. busy co i'm 2 to 3 to go just to

negotiate with them. okay. and it also seems to be quite effective as not allowing the central government to take control in easton, d r. c. and i wonder felix if fast as part of the problem here. the government in kinshasa is so far away and it simply doesn't have control over this region. it's imposed a state of siege since may 2021 a state of emergency and effect. and yet it still hasn't brought situation under control phoenix on it ever kind of rushing on at least not that many of the problems you have been discussing now or so. we have been discussing about the geography of the last more than 20, yet have really to do with the witness of congress institution, including the central government in the 1st place. and also the, the local governments kind of unit public permissional. and in a lower level,

the fact of the about the remains, but you have all of these travels and $2300.00 plus other groups that to my collect already talked about. i do i do to, to as well. we have the because of, before we do that, created by the fit, which is been, has been simply incapable of exerting bad monopoly of violence that we know is there, is there a prerogative, august and beyond? the monopoly of course, is that the step has just been really pretty much obvious center. i'm even other set. it's quite very kind of wiccan involved in fact period kind of struggled and much of the, the, the key was really hot was due to the periphery. and they have, in the parish read not only even in the last 20 years, but when i look into academic kind of work that it use in my, onward, it's even been before under the late years of mobile to era. so because of his options, of, of course, that the last week i got faith, you're healthy, proliferation of these groups wins. fill the void. and i'm not like

a little bit. but i think some of the points that have med, there's a lot of dependent reports about how the document that how the government's own and don't worry about a policy or individual kind of member. what kind of sort of market we did in the army to supply weapon, but sometimes intervene in cooperation with some of the because it i 2nd given narrative so so that function for example, this is mentioned about i did it issues about or to talk on october to people, you know, all who do not belong to. those are communist narratives in north and south. he walked on. we know now he has been dead asked for the you and a lot of your under speaking population are all kind of in some together as being an intricate free and be happy to be shipped out of the country. they have been quite a lot of acts of targeting specific communities, even if members of other communities suffer in all of this. we've only krause. so

with that in mind, this tends to really has been a part of really the problem and will be unable to excite power. exert control and have institution in close to the nursing and kind of is it for protection equal rights and equals. so let's say program gives us the social is on the verge of to throw in. so that makes the east africa community is now going to send a regional force with troops coming from various other countries. is that a good idea? so is it a good idea? or a bad idea, i wouldn't be able to answer that question, at least from our perspective of the human rights organization. but it is clear that there is no military response to the, to the situation in it's in your see, the problem, you nice and yours is preliminarily political. and also, you know, as i said in terms of human rights addressing, impunity which concerns many point your see,

but others also in the region. iran 9 brody in uganda and other countries that have been involved in the coffee to me and your, you know, in the years you, for the last 2 digits. so the problem being political, it should also be addressed political. but this doesn't mean the endless and useless talks, like what we saw in robi a couple of weeks ago. which seems like a joke. it has to be serious, you know, identifying the real problems and dealing with them appropriate in an effective way. because in the past, we have in political agreements signed, sometimes guaranteeing impunity for these criminals, and that has not allowed the situation to improve nina. so while this is the solution should be political mainly that each each will also be

taken more seriously. drawing lessons from the failures of the past. now on the military side of the states, printer getting to use military force. and even to invite, you know, foreign countries to intervene. but our only demand of human rights organization is that any user force should be done. in, in alignment with our international law. so whether it is the call list army or, or enter into 3 or the eastern african community regional force, or even the un peacekeeping mission, they all should abide by international law and prioritize protection of. yeah, absolutely. and on that note to far, we haven't really touched on the un peacekeeping mission. want us go. it's been that since 1999 is one of the world's largest and most expensive missions. why has

it failed to keep the peace? the un mission? i think they failed because the child's many times their mandates. but nothing was done now for sure. for that population, for example, ah, in a, in, in 1998 when monaco chem there was filled on 100 on a group in the r c. no day we have hundreds and more groups just isn't part of the off. and now people i have missed 2 out of you and i don't think they can succeed anymore because no, i don't like them if the call, if you talk with local people. busy you'll see that they all don't believe on un,

and i don't think they can succeed when local doesn't brought in them. and now we the is the for gun regional falls. if them monday will be different than what they have. because i've said more since the k m, that is not anything, all military and government for all the. busy if the can community regional falls and on local via the wall spread, seeing on that because when coming people. busy oh, it didn't go so that they come to friday to engage against m. 23 and other groups. and now they are talking and not fighting. and the same moment i can still ongoing in other jones, in other territories and other preventive and that i, we do have in our discussion,

stay apologies for interrupting you that. but we have run out of time to fall out catan t, as on my best anger and felix and dian, that thank you very much for joining us today. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. there's our dessert dot com for further discussion. do go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you close it during the conversation on twitter handle as as a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here. bye for now. a ah

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