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know. ah, this is sarah. let's take a look at the headlines now. the us house of representatives isn't a 4th day of voting to choose that speaker republican nominee, kevin mccarthy has failed. the 13th time to win a majority. but he's close to now is some hard liners switching to support him? official reports from capitol hill or kevin mccarthy, obviously hoping that it's going to be 14th time. lucky at what is interesting is that the delayed the vote for 6 hours to get to republican congressman back into washington. d. c. one had been attending the birth of his 1st child and obviously mccarthy thinks with those votes, he will do enough. some representatives have been seeing who they won't vote for kevin mccarthy, but they might vote present which could be enough to push him over with the complicated math of the house of representatives to give kevin mccarthy this seat

that he has so desire house. democrats have lead commemorations marking the 2nd anniversary or the general the 6 attack on the u. s. capital members gathered on the steps of the building for a remembrance ceremony. they paid tribute to the offices who kept them safe and remembered the 5 people who died. israel has announced sanctions on the palestinian authority of it pushed the un highest judicial body to give its opinion on the israeli occupation. the decision that was taken at the 1st security cabinet meeting of the new government at my prime minister benjamin netanyahu. artillery fire has been heard in ukraine despite the shadow stars of a 36 out unilateral cease far cooled by russian president vladimir putin. ukraine rejected the offer and both sides are accusing each other of continuing the shelling. a temporary truce is to coincide with the orthodox christmas holiday.

m. 23 rebels have handed back an important military base in easton democratic republic of congo. to government forces is latest to move by the group to fulfill its pledge to withdraw from territories seized in recent months. and california is bracing for another round of severe weather. pacific storms have been lashing the us state this week, causing major flooding and cutting power, tens of thousands of homes. those the headlines, and the as continues herron out as thereafter. up front talk to al jazeera. we also do you believe that women of afghanistan was somehow abandoned by the international community? we listen, we have a huge price for the war against terrorism as glen one. so money we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on al jazeera, indigenous women in the united states are going missing and getting murdered at an

alarming rate. 10 times the national average on some reservations, more than 4 and 5 native american women have experienced violence in their life time. that's 1.2 times the average for white women who already experienced disproportionately, high rates of violence compared to men. so what's behind this epidemic? of violence and why aren't we hearing about it constantly will take a closer look. but 1st, in canada, the uncovering of unmarked graves containing the remains of indigenous children leads to a moment of reckoning for the country. since may, more than 1300 bodies have been identified here, former residential schools, these were government sponsored church runs centers, aimed at eradicating indigenous culture. as a search continues for what is believed to be thousands more grades. what impact is the story heavy and what's next? and the struggle for justice will talk to former senator and chair of candidates truth and reconciliation committee is weeks headliner, murray sinclair, ah morrison. claire,

thank you so much for joining me on up front. the uncovering of some, 1300 raves, containing the remains of indigenous children at former residential schools. it's made headlines all around the world. how has this revelation impacted the struggle for historical justice among canada's indigenous people? well, thank you for having me a new show and i thank you for the question. i think it's an important issue for us to be thinking about and talking about one of the things that we talked about in the report that i was sharing. now was that the issue, children going missing at the schools and dying at schools was one that was often played out for us. and we had asked for a mandate to look into that more completely. sometimes 2 or 3 children to be buried in a grade. sometimes we heard stories from some of the survivors, residential schools, the children actually being killed deliberately. and one thing that we did point

out was that because the government had forcibly remove the children from their families and from their communities, they had some obligation, a moral obligation of not a legal one to work with the families to return the bodies of the children. to the families in their communities, in accordance with their traditions and the practices of those particular communities. and they never did that. but we also pointed out that we had a fight about $6500.00 names. children who had died in the schools that we could determined from the records of the schools. but we believed quite honestly that there were many, many more, probably as much as 8 or 9 times that number. maybe maybe even more of a stunning number to think about. and even as you talk about the stories that you're hearing from people and indigenous people have been telling you stories for

years of deplorable conditions, abuse, and disappearing. classmate. it's really no surprise to the indigenous communities that this is happening, but it seems like the broader canadian public was surprised by this pulling suggest that why haven't taken so long for the broader public to catch up them to know what's going on. well, it would appear to us that there was a deliberate effort by the government of canada along with the churches that ran schools to cover up the desk of the children. there was actually a study that was done by the medical director of the residential schools by the name of a member, the name of dr. peter brace back in the early part of the 20th century, about 1910 or so. and he looked at the death rates of children in residential schools and sketch room. and he estimated, based upon the studies that he had done. and the evidence that he had before that

between 25 and 49 percent of the children in those schools, neither died at the schools or died shortly after leaving the schools. the poor living conditions, support nutrition and the core lifestyle. the abuse that they experience all contributed to the early tests. and when dr. brace asked to issue as report to the public, they prevented him from doing that. and they actually fired him. and he managed to issue his report on his own privately but and he called the national crime report. but the government refused to endorse to refuse this parted. and in addition to that, it was never really picked up in the media so that the connect society was also implemented and covering up their story. and in particular media, it seems to me as you point out, that the government has claimed ignorance to some extent around this stuff. and

that's somewhat puzzling. former prime minister john, at the end in october of this year said that while serving as the minister of indian affairs and northern development in the $196070.00. he said that he quote, was not informed of any abuse at that time. many other government officials say they had no idea of what was going on. how could they have not known is that, is that even possible? no, they're not, they're not being true. so when i say that, because we know for the records again, because we had access to all the government records over accessible to the public generally. that there were several reports over the years that were made to ministers that were made to government officials and departmental officials at a senior level. and that those records showed the death rates of children. and

these are not indigenous people who are writing your hon. tommy douglas, for example, when he was later the n d p and the house of commons raised it as an issue. and he was told basically i go back to the sketch one and start talking about these things . so he was really criticize and trying to raise it. so there's the issue of claiming ignorance and pretending that it never happened. and then there's the idea . alternatively of saying, oh, that's the distant past. that's a relic of ancient canadian history. when in fact, the last residential school closes in 1997. it's a fairly recent part of the canadian historical narrative. how do residential schools continue at this moment to shape the present and shape how the indigenous experience plays out? when the last residential schools closed in the nineties and in the eighty's, some of them have been taken over by indigenous communities. so many of those

schools are close at the end were much better run and there was more significant openness which so there were very bad marriage from the people who were there. and some of them have now been destroyed by the communities themselves . but the, the impact of the schools is widely known as talked about and i report and then generally what we said was that children who were taken away from their families forcibly were separated from their families, separated from their communities and their traditions, their elders, their support the people within the community, but they were also separated from their culture, from their language and they were abusing the schools if they continued to try to function in a way that maintain their language, maintain their culture. they were also taught and brainwashed into believing that they came from an adequate group of people that are people were in fact socially,

mentally. and in terms of civilization inferior people to await your opinion. settlers who would come here after colonial period start. and then a history, of course, was only taught from claudio perspective. so what we said was public schools picked up on that message and kids in public schools, the same thing. and we have had a public school system in canada is founded on white supremacy for generations. and that's why there's such a schism between the leadership in this country, usually non indigenous men and in the community. one of the most troubling realities for indian children is the foster care system. there are more than $40000.00 indigenous in, in that system. and for context, they make 8 percent of the total population. more than half of the foster care system. do you see the crisis of child welfare as an extension of the residential

school problem? you know, what we said was that in reality, the residential schools themselves were child welfare system and the child welfare system. we see today's just a newer version of the residential school system, the intent being step children away from their families and to put them into a situation where a system believes that they will become better citizens. so they become more civilized will be better taken care of than the indigenous people can do. and even when the system has to acknowledge that they themselves have failed the children in their care, they still are authorized by the courts to continue to take children in huge numbers said don't training session, but judges. and i said, where in the world would we ever have a justice system that continually gave children or to people who had failed the

children, that we are already given over to them before. and he had, were doing it without hesitation without question when it comes to jo, welfare but we would never do it the private guardian. so we're trying to take children into their homes. the catholic church ran upwards of 70 percent of the residential schools in september. the canadian conference of catholic bishops issued in official apology. but now there's pressure mounting for the pope himself to apologize. this month, the delegation of indigenous leaders will meet the pope at the batt again to press for an apology. it's certainly a symbolic gesture, but why is it so significant to get that apology? well, when we should the truth and reconciliation commission report was one of our calls to action to call upon the pope to assure that apology, when you go through a city ration as candidate has gone through with regard to its treatment of indigenous people. there has to be a level of awareness. there has to be atonement and there has to be apology. and so

what we said is, the catholic church is serious about showing its atonement for what is done in the past. it has to apologize and it has to show what kind of action is going to take. and we haven't seen the apology. the apology from the bishops that have been made in the past and have not been officially made on behalf of the church. you served as the chair of candidates to their reconciliation committee and in 2015 your team laid out in $94.00 call to action, which were designed to sort of help begin to repair some of the damage that had been done by the residential schools. prime minister trudeau promised to fulfill all of them. so far, only 14 had been fulfilled. 20 have yet to start. what does that mean? why, justice taking so long? well, i am said to the prime minister to other government officials,

the problem it is happening within government is that they don't have a plan. they don't think through what it is that they're committing to that. what it is their colleges or what it is that they need to do and their plan is missing because there was a feeling at the beginning of the truth reconciliation process on the part of government. and i think the public generally was that if we throw enough money at this wills goose settled them down, that will be able to get them to be quiet. and so there's a been a lack of planning that said circle murray, st. claire, thank you so much for joining on up front. thank you for having a good conversation. thank you. oh, in 2017. 32 year old olivia loan bear in indigenous mother a far from north dakota, went missing her family search for her for months and pushed law enforcement to

take the case more seriously. 9 months later, a volunteer community member found her body in a pick up truck submerged in a lake within a mile of her home. this is just one case out of thousands of native american women who go missing and her later found dead. in the united states, indigenous women and girls are disappearing and being murdered at alarming rates compared to other women and what's often called an epidemic of violence. joining us to discuss this are mary catherine nagel, a citizen of cherokee nation and lawyer focused on tribal sovereignty and safety for native women and children. carrie coffer, member of the clinic, tribe of south east alaska, and national indigenous women's resource center, senior native affairs advisor. thank you both for joining me on a front. mary catherine, in recent years, thousands of native american women have been reported missing law enforcement is often slow to react, and families are often left waiting months for answers. and they're often dismissed and told that going missing isn't a crime. what's at the root of this crisis? you know, such an important question and i think we have to understand that this crisis is

both cultural and legal in nature. i say cultural because violence against native women is the practice that began with the colonial conquest of the united states. i mean, all you have to do is read christopher columbus, his journals to understand that this is a man who literally bragged about raping and murdering indigenous women when he got lost and washed up on the shoreline over here. so you've got that. you've got the history of the u. s. military using rape and homicide against native women as a military tactic to conquer tribal nations. we don't talk about that history is on a mystery as to why there's a high rate of violence against our native women today. at the same time, we have a legal framework that allows that violence to continue in $978.00. the united states supreme court in all of font versus squamish indian tribe eliminated tribal criminal jurisdiction over non indians who come on to tribal lands and commit crimes. so today, non indians can walk on to a reservation or on to indian lands and murder, a native women with no consequences. and they do,

the supreme court has taken that jurisdiction away well, and i want to unpack the legal part of that in just a sec. i'm still trying to wrap my mind around this idea that when a crime is committed or when someone is just reported missing, carry that the response is indifference or, you know, it's not a crime to go missing to get dismissed. i mean, why is that? i think in part native women are really under represented in data. and so we know that the statistics of missing or murdered indigenous women are extremely high. but we know that the doc that's actually, they're actually likely a lot higher. and so all of these historical factors, in addition to these jurisdictional by barriers and the failure of federal, the federal government to adequately fund justice and victims over systems in indian country, has led to predators. knowing that they can target needed women without repercussions. and no one's really gonna care because the mainstream media doesn't really cover it very well. often. mcgovern, i mean, you're one of the people who said that we have

a culture that promotes and celebrates violence against native women. the data seems to bear that out. native american women are 2 and a half more likely to be raped compared to all other races. and in some reservations, murder rates of native american women are up to 10 times higher than the national average for all races. can you speak to this dynamic? yeah, in terms of culture, up until this last summer, native women's bodies were still used to sell butter and other commercial products that is starting to change, you know, land o'lakes. this changed their label. but many americans still think that it's completely appropriate to dress up as polk, a haughty for halloween pocahontas was a child victim of rape kid not being in homicide. he was an indigenous girl, a little girl who lost her life to violence, to sexual violence. and she's not a halloween costume, but so long as are real women who are murdered and raped are just treated as halloween costumes. it creates a culture that just honestly accepts this violence so that when

a native woman is raped or goes missing or is murdered, i think because we have been dehumanized and over sexualized it's, it's harder for americans at large to, to have that kind of emotional response of we need to find her, her life matters when, when a native woman goes missing carry this pop culture piece is interesting to me. how much of it is the kind of indifference to the lives in the well being of native women and how much of it is an ignorance of history? i think it's a combination of all of it. i think it's a lack of understanding about our history. i think most of the time in history class natives make up like the 1st chapter, despite the fact that we've been here for all of american history and centuries, thousands of years prior to that. and then i think there is also willful ignorance . i think it feels these issues often feel very far away to other need other non need of people who don't live on or near tribal lands. and so they can sort of

ignore all of these issues that need of women face and they never really have to deal with it or think about it. and frankly, they don't want to carry. let me ask you another question because we started to talk about this idea of non native perpetrators of violence. 96 percent of the time violence against indigenous women is from a non native perpetrator. tribal courts, or tribal police, for the most part, don't have the ability to prosecute crimes on reservations from non native perpetrators or even arrest them without back up from non native law enforcement. it's hard for many people myself included to understand how this is legal. yeah, i think it's, it's hard for natives to figure out how it's legal, as well as mary catherine said after the supreme court's decision. in oliphant, in 970 tribal justice systems could no longer hold accountable criminally abusive non natives who are continuing to harm their need of partners. resulting in

situations where non need of defendants piled up repeated and multiple prior contacts with tribal police. so essentially, tribal police and courts were unable to do very much to stop needed perpetrators. and then federal and state courts also just failed to protect need of victims. and that's where we are today and issues we're facing today and, and how all of this mass has been created. very care for that. that's, that's part of the, the crisis here, right? i mean, on the one hand, you don't have jurisdiction in this area, then you have the state and the federal police in bodies that can intervene. but don't absolutely. in most cases on tribal lands, if a native woman is murdered, the federal government does have jurisdiction. so we're looking at the federal government and saying, why aren't you doing your job? you know, you took the jurisdiction away from us. so do something step in. you know, we have, we have native women like olivia alone. there is a great example because her brother, for 9 months begged the f. b. i to search for her sister begged. i mean, you know, he wasn't, he was on national tv. he was sending letters,

he was making phone calls and they did nothing. and they had jurisdiction, mary, cathy, you said placing paternalistic restrictions on tribal courts and the name of due process is nothing more than a disguise for prejudice. what do you mean by that, sir? cuz i think, you know, you're right. a lot of folks will throw out this idea of, well, non indian defendants. their due process rights are not protected in travel court. the problem with this straw man argument is that the folks who say that actually can't point to a single piece of evidence, shred of evidence, where non indians rights have been violated. and that's the irony of these arguments. i'm not saying tribal courts are perfect if you look at state and federal courts, they're not perfect. and that's why i think it's based on prejudice. because, you know, i, for instance, in all a font, when the supreme court in 1978 took away tribal criminal jurisdiction over non indians. one of the things that chief rehnquist at the time said is, you know, we just, there's just no way to think that a non indians going to get a fair shake in travel court. well, wait a 2nd because that non indian is not

a citizen of that tribe that not an indian can't vote in that tribes elections. well, i'm not a citizen of the state of kansas, but if i walk into kansas and start murdering people, i don't get to have a constitutional right to avoid a criminal prosecution because of due process. i'm sorry, that's not how i cable for kids. i don't get support for kansas governor or pick who's on their supreme court. and one thing really quick about due process. there are due process protections in the violence against women act. you know, right to counsel, right? to notice right to file a habeas and federal court, basically all the protections you would have in state court or federal court and still the conversation there are still people out there saying, well, we just don't think that due process rights are protected and travel court even though it's, it's in the law and no one can point to a shred of evidence that it hasn't been provided. and so i really do think we're talking about prejudice. let's say it was topic of the violence against women act, a renewal passed in the house of representatives in 2019

a carry but it's languishing in the senate if passed. it would expand tribal jurisdiction to include other offenses like sexual assault, stalking, trafficking, and child abuse. oh, what kind of difference would that make again on the ground, on a day to day level? yeah, i mean, it would make a huge difference. what we've heard from tribal leaders, judges and advocates since 2013, since certain tribes started exercising special jurisdiction under about 2013 is di, although it's been really successful in protecting tribal communities, for perpetrators who commit dating my violence or domestic violence. the narrowness of jurisdiction under vala, turret, $32013.00 is a continual source of frustration. and that's because it creates those loopholes for offenders. it leaves victims unprotected and it limits how effectively tribes can prosecute domestic violence. offenders for crimes that co occur with domestic violence. so enhancing you know, these provisions and expanding our tribal jurisdiction will help to better protect

tribal communities surrounding communities. and ultimately hopefully we would see a decline in the rates of abuse of native women. we know that there is a long history of instances, no racism against indigenous people in this country. the question that i want to get an answer from for you to a is sort of how we go about reversing that history. as a practical matter, what can we do and how do you specifically go about doing that work? upstart with you may gather, is the huge question. you know, and i think that there's invisibility, right? most people, if they know of a native woman, they know of a hollowing costume, and that's it. we're starting to change that. you know, we've got our 1st native woman, a member of the cabinet, the secretary of interior deb holland, right? we've got native women in congress. we have a lot of work to do in the curriculum. in the united states. you know, most law schools don't teach all a font. right. so most law students who go to law schools don't study the supreme

court decision. that is the reason why our native women faced the highest rates of domestic violence. sexual assault and homicide in the united states of america has talked a lot about the kind of educational piece in the bit of the cultural piece crew. what else can be done? undue this violence is legacy of violence against business people? well, 1st we need to adequately find and provide resources to tribes. tribes are consistently set up to fail by this chronic under funding. so we need to ensure that tribe not only have the authority, which is what we talked about a little bit with vala. but also the resource is to hold offenders accountable, to provide culturally centered services to their community. to prove data collections that we really know the extent of the problem and can help identify more victims across jurisdictional lines. and so the sooner we give native people and that's especially needed victims and families of victims, a seat at the table in decision making, an ensure that they're part of these larger conversations the sooner we can come up with solutions that are actually tailored specifically to the needs of native

nations, harry america, thank you both so much for joining me in this conversation. really appreciate it. everybody that is our show up for we'll be back next week with african narrative from african perspectives. only the blooming gale fell livid. crossway total. well, i thought there was in a new series of short documentaries, by african filmmakers from miami and gabon has seen been african, the examples of greek, the weight nadine the heritage, and making her future africa direct on al jazeera after a lifetime in finland, an emigrant returns to somali land upon discovering his ancestral home could be

a gold mine. but to benefit his community from the minerals beneath the land, he must navigate the a joe tribal disputes above it. in witness, golden light. on al jazeera was a wave of sentiment around the world. people actually want accountability from the people who are running their countries. and i think often people's voice is not heard because it's not part of the mainstream news narrative. obviously we cover the big stories and report on the big events that are going on, but we also tell the stories of people who generally don't have a voice. and then whenever chance, my dad never be afraid to put your hand up and ask a question. and i think that's what i'm really does. we ask the question for people who should be accountable. and also we get people to give their view of what's going on. ah.