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continue with us. hello, adrian finnegan here and so how the headlines on al jazeera ukrainians or celebrating orthodox christie of christmas under the shadow of war fighting is continuing on the frontlines despite a ceasefire called by russia's president vladimir putin. bob lincoln, kevin mccarthy has been elected speaker of the us house of representatives after 5 days of political stalemate. mccarthy's bid was blocked by hotline republicans who repeatedly voted against and now the hard work begins. what we do here today. next week, next month, next year, we'll set the tone for everything that follows. tonight, i want to talk directly to the american people. that speaker the how my ultimate responsibility is not to my party, my conference, or even our congress. my responsibility,
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the president of took he and syria bow to me. it was your play of amazon has been a vocal critical, michelle, i said, but now it appears a reconciliation is underway. so what's behind this development, and what does it mean for conflict in syria and the region? this is insights for it. ah hello, welcome to the program. i am hasha, alabama. serious opposition says it's unthinkable to consider future watched. ok. it's biggest supporter makes peace with the syrian regime. it's biggest enemy. while there is now a possibility of talks between uncover and damascus, brokered by russia and the syrian opposition isn't staying quiet. ah, political and military grooves,
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as well as thousands of civilians have held major rallies in airy as the hold in western syria in italy protest. there's also voice that opposition to any or push bond between the 2 nations chanting songs. now, decades old, the court for the overthrow of president bashar assad government that government is accused of getting hundreds of thousands of people. after years of civil war, it controls about 2 thirds of the country. what are your major ball the decision today? and it live is clear today in the liberated area, there more than 20 attrition points to tell you that there is no reconciliation with this regime then, or negotiations with the surgeon that is not the solution anthea other than overthrowing the surgeon. no, no hell, no, he went out to overthrow this criminal gang. the drug gang that has corrupted every one you live, got up that society and they're going to destroy the world. would the capt are going to the vice and the fundamental, what this band of criminal age and germany,
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defense ministers from turkey, syria and russia, back in moscow last month to discuss ways to and the war in syria. that talked about the possibility of returning ravages and how to work together to combat arms groups. the discussions follow repeated warnings from an color they could launch a ground operation more than syria and action. russia opposers uncut blame scottish fighters across the border for bombing in istanbul. in november, that killed 6 people and injured dozens took his president paid. adeline says he may meet syrian president, bashar illicit russia to the gear studio alert as russia to kia and syria. our intelligence officials and defense ministers met in moscow. and we have launched a process there, we will bring our foreign ministers together. and then depending on developments, we will come together as leaders or the ah,
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let's bring in our gas. yeah. here a lot of the is a syrian opposition member and a specialist in serial affairs. he joins us by skype from paris. vibe based san is assistant professor of history at ben holl, don't university. he joins us by skype from east on board. and joining us from he ain't ohio peter pollack springer is an associate professor of the european university of i'd rena, welcome to the program. yeah, here. why is the city and opposition concerned about this refreshment, but when there are between turkey and syria? is it the fact that the realised now that that dreams of assyria without charlotte as that could be shattered? wildly things 1st hush him to you and to your guess. i would like to say that the opposition and so young with the
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turkey is a friend. the 1st of all used durham's historical terms. cultural ones are the more has you ruin oil on saw and suddenly those are a shift then unbelievable. should i say the position of turkey for subtler uses? i could specify and this is some sort of a appointment, especially with the situation of, with gene in such tactics, the way shouldn't economically socially internationally, politically and morally. the recently the gene is a label now. and it's the kink. ready over a category, all of these things just happening and with somebody who's the closest historian
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people, that's okay. so you believe or thought there is now extending a hand to show you what he called today, a criminal one who is his own people. so this is really, that's surprising and we understand really why this shift is taking place. all right, if you want me to specify those reasons for why the turkish regime or the or gun group is making this shift again, especially by them very quickly in terms of elections. the groups brush. well, we'll talk about those details later. bobby, you've heard what? yeah, he has just said it's
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a feeling of disappointment among the syrian opposition on the syrian rebels. about this new overture from the turks to was the assyrian government. is this, is this dictated by tactical reasons, or is it a genuine juice strategic shift by the turkish government? the need to turn a chapter, start a fresh, new one with bessalo les at ah, well 1st fall, i think we should begin abduct the negotiations or rather, are officially not confirmed. reports were suggests in the last couple of years, turkish officials were at the highest possible level were meeting with syrian once . so the meeting of moscow, or turkey or for our sin, turkey was not really a big surprise. and it was moral as expected. when you look at the,
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our discussions and criticisms of the announcement of rep richmond officially by held on. so i mean, in turkey, the mood was that for many it was like long expected because the conflict, i wouldn't be sold by itself and someone should start sitting around the table. and also i remember mister dawn in his turkish speech, we're saying we're not abandoning syrian a position as such. but rather, we are extended a hand to find a solution for a really, but a what the crisis in a more than a decade or lasting. and turkey, of course, has very serious security concerns. so far as the armed our people let's say, over 50000. we don't know the exact numbers, but we're arm and financed and trained by the us in the protects of are
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fighting against isis or take took it takes it very seriously. ok peter, we like here to break down those security concerns. vice by a turkey turkey, is it the presence of the y p g, which they consider to be an affiliate of the p k. k. as the biggest motive for the turkish government to say now, i would rather have deal with my salad. i said, than seeing the y p g gaining more ground in some parts of syria. well, definitely the white be a major concern and but it's a part of a list of interest that are going has with regards to add, this moved to reconcile and certainly
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if he can get the support of cooperation from the mascot us on the one hand, negotiate on on how we could cooperate with the masters. the issue of the syrian heard problem and damascus can benefit by making them dependent on on, on son. that's just one or only many other factors. okay. yeah. what would be your next move? i'm talking about the city and opposition in general. if turkey decides it's about time to build strong relations with marcello, i said, what would you do? well, this is a very difficult question now. but let me just address 2
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points. raced by the guest is, for instance, extending the hand to bush who has been labored. they can go cut, they're gone, and his own people by, by those what, extending the hand to him, a solution for their so young crisis for all these years. i think there are reasons behind this move basically the elections and the, the issue or is if you asked the other, just thinking that the regime that's planted think a k to nurture vacated all these all these years to be the one who is going to get that ticket gate at the terror away from the suction board us. another reason i think the search
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is that there is a vacuum in the fire in the city and 5 in the sense that. ready they can move the 2nd and water in this fine and remind the states it's being doing good and nothing towards that critical mass are in this area and the world. another thing that's mobilized or move the turkey actually is the objection through the military operation which was planned. ready i think i've gone through this objection could be sort of in this way and i think this is a huge burden. you cannot solve problems. bye bye bye. extend hands to the cause. ready or through the one who created these problems and expelling, or they'll just use a routing millions or billions,
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not on the inside story of your key. you have about the 4000000 citizens and when their voice is heard yesterday and a week ago, and it's going to continue, i think this is of the minds are not wanting to talk to you, but to the world that they have abandoned very political crisis. a horrible crisis taking place for 12 years. i think this is a reminder of the world. if the guy feels that he can fill up the vacuum in this way by extending your hand under ok. why be you said earlier, we are yet to wait for this refreshment. but you remember the moscow meeting where you have for the 1st time, the highest level of official contact between the 2 countries, syria and turkey,
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defense ministers, along with senior intelligence officers. coupled with the issue of refugees, syrian refugees in turkey and the security situation. do you think that for turkey this is about the time to reshape its relationship with the syrian government with a shuttle as an in particular that it for him. so the deep up, your strategic circumstances are definitely not same as, let's say a decade ago when turkey made these of decisions on turkey and turkish, people firmly believed and stood behind out of the on, in support of syrian or position. let's remember that and took who opened a had this open door policy for our syrian, our innocent people running for their lives, men and women children, as our gust yaya quite right is said that the number rich to 3 to 4, median,
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but actually just single it out refugee, she is probably wouldn't be a good answer to why turkey turkey is rapprochement this. remember turkey did that are with saudi arabia with united arab emirates, you know, kind of getting relations better and nodded. i know a person that the of strong will to called feeling to get relations better with egypt. and of course, syria was always on the line and it was in turkey. is that this reproach month despite attracting a lot of criticism or will be attractive more could be a good sign and a good thing in order to find a peaceful solution or a viable exit strategy to the conflict that calls. so many lives and medians displaced within syria and, and, and came refugees outside syria. all right, peter,
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do you think that russia is going to be a key component of whatever happens in the future in between turkey and syria? yes. and certainly was the initiative over the gun to ask russia to mediate perhaps why show was behind this already behind making up this fine or partial model. russia definitely wants to be a p player and maintain its influence in the syrian region, but to act as a, as a mediator here, given that we can position tens more on the frame. and the certainly here
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put, put, you know, once better ties to strengthen his high school or do gotten and this, this is already ongoing since last year there was a meeting in sort she, in russia on between or put in on economic issues. and this is a kind of a continuation or do nice thing really here to, you know, to, you know, be the power broker, the mediators to how can you know and persuade less sense. okay. this reconciliation. yeah. now, you've been talking about your concerns about this rubbish month between turkey and syria, but i would like to ask you about the fact that 12 years ago with the uprising,
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the opposition was gaining ground. he was controlling a huge areas of syria, then it was beset by different sorts of factors, divisions, what you described as betrayal of regional powers to the point way. now your presence is just confined to a small part of the country. and when you see this beset in turkish cillian relations, could it be the moment for you to reconsider things like, for example, starting chalks, with a shuttle asset? why some things are not. i'm not that old. you're graphy in the city of this case. it is a matter of the dictatorship, getting its own people. it's not a matter of a position. and d, as the cases in turkey know, the situation is different. what people rose originally in 2011 in order to throw dictatorship oppression, suppression, killing,
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jailing. disgracing, that's basically the reason and people were turkey was their goal for, for just getting shut up. they do appreciate what 30 has all these years when nobody was the tech, it was there and this is highly appreciate it. and that's the source of the surprise citizens. what do you, what do you hear? the voices of those people that were seated the been streets in been hundreds of thousands in northern city. yes. you are reminded of 2011 when you rose against the machine. now they don't want this reconciliation,
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they just are very sorry for those that was so close to them. ok to come to this point when that he is in its weakest position and to extend the hand to rescue them most and patina always. 4 i mean, the us who is trying to push for this is in crisis due to, to what is happening in the ukraine. and he wants to say to the world since message to the world that he is in control of. so yeah, of things the way he likes it got pushed out. you just okay. what? well, what is unacceptable? this is a more logical last aright. and we and we hope and aspire for turkey to her to wake up earlier. all right, and this brings me to ask very, be about the abbey. you do understand this feeling among the syrian people that they could be betrayed by turkey,
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which has always been saying that it will support the, the syrian people. now when you look at the reset, you've been talking about with which a reset of turkish relations with regional players, the united arab emirates, saudi arabia. now talking, it talks about a meeting between us up a button and bushel as that. all these elements. when, if you bring them together, if you stitch them together, could be, could do you think that could be conducive to a permanent solution to the crisis in seattle, the political problem and see where i personally very much i hope so. and the i will be delighted to see because i'm in as, as, as an academic, i have a 100 so 1st serious suited as a students. and i really enjoyed being with them and myself in the past traveling a couple of years a couple of times a year. so i didn't consider myself like an honor assyrian so that much i are, you know, i appreciate being with them. and certainly, i mean,
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all people in turkey, a desire to have a permanent solution to the conflict in syria. it should start from somewhere. and i really sympathize with the i as well. i mean, we don't deny that, but it is not all the target us. remember since last november 2021 the u. e. a minister of foreign affairs in hade another visit to damascus in december just a months ago. so it is, seems that, you know, the kind of a move in the middle east into our up world is to get back re establish relations and find a solution to that conflict. because it is that the longer it is becomes more chronical and, and hopefully this will be a good step forward. all right, peter, we talk about syrian turkish really relations as if this is going to ultimately, boy down to the 2 key players. and as of they've adeline and marcella that have
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come together and set aside those differences. but when you look at the modalities of whatever agreement will happen in the future, particular when it comes to the y p g. do you think that is going to be easy for the syrian government to deploy forces in the northeastern part of the country along the border with turkey without the americans, the french thing? wait a 2nd. we've been here providing significant assistance to the y p g and you cannot just come now and change they political nap on the ground. i think this is a really an agreement that was order made by russia it from the beginning, and russia wants to create stability in the region, wants to be maintained less than i'm with, you know, certainly there's going to be a response from, from iran. ok. ah, but, but it's going to be really,
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the key player here is going to be russia, which is going to for which are does that means in this case, are very, you know, in order to make this a partial month and this month is really for the benefits are gone on for his dad to resolve his order security problems and also to resolve his problems and refugees. ok. terminal running out of time, i really appreciate your insights, your hail adi the that be based on peter product spring and thank you. thank you very much and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just the dot com for further discussion goes on facebook
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