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a vocal critical, michelle as that, but now it appears a reconciliation is underway. so what's behind this development, and what does it mean for conflict in syria and the region? this is insights for it. ah hello, welcome to the program, i am hashem. aha, barbara, serious opposition says it's unthinkable to consider future which dokey. it's biggest supporter makes peace with the syrian regime. it's biggest enemy, while there is now a possibility of talks between uncover and damascus, broke heard by russia. and the syrian opposition isn't staying quiet. ah, political and military groups,
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as well as thousands of civilians have held major rallies in areas they hold in western syria in italy, protesters also voice that opposition to any or push bond between the 2 nations chanting songs. now decades old. the court for the overthrow of president bashar assad government that government is accused of getting hundreds of thousands of people. after years of civil war, it controls about 2 thirds of the country. are your major bother the decision today? and it lives clear up today in the liberated area, there more than 20 to assertion points to tell you that there is no reconciliation with this regime. there are no negotiations with the surgeon that is not the solution anthea other than overthrowing this regime. no, no hell, no, he went out to overthrow this criminal gang, the drug gang that has corrupted everyone. they've got up that society and they're going to destroy the world. would the cap doug wanted vice and to find out what this band of criminal each of us were. germany, defense ministers from turkey,
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assyria and russia, back in moscow last month to discuss ways to and the war in syria. that talked about the possibility of returning refugees and how to work together to combat on groups. the discussions follow repeated warnings from an color they could launch a ground operation more than syria and action rush opposers uncut blames kurdish fighters across the border from bombing in istanbul in november that killed 6 people and injured dozens took his president, pay a battle and says he may meet syrian president, bashar, less at russia, to cheer suryana, as russia to kia and syria. our intelligence officials and defense ministers met in moscow and we have launched a process there. we will bring our foreign ministers together. and then depending on developments, we will come together as leaders are the ah,
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let's bring in our guests. yeah, here a lady of the is a syrian opposition member and a specialist in serial affairs. he joins us by skype from paris. vibe based. san is assistant professor of history at ben holl. don't university. he joined us by skype from east on board. and joining us from he ain't ohio peter poet springer is an associate professor of the european university of i'd rena, welcome to the program. yeah, here, why is the syrian opposition concerned about this refreshment, but when there are between turkey and syria, is it the fact that the realised now that that dreams of assyria without the charlotte as it could be shattered while looting skirts hush him to you and to your guests, i would like to say that to the opposition and so young in general,
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the turkey is a friend. the 1st of all use durham's historical terms controller once more has your renewal on so then suddenly leave. those are for a shift then unbelievable. should i say the position of turkey for subtler uses? i could specify and this is some sort of a appointment, especially with the situation of with the gene in such a hectic situation. economically, socially, internationally, politically and morally. the recently, the gene is a label. now, as a kink over a category, all these things are just happening. and with somebody who's the closest who
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cillian people, that's ok. so you believe or thought or is now extending a hand to do what he called today. a criminal one who is his own people. so this is really, that's surprising. and we understand really why this shift is taking place. all right, if you want me to specify those reasons for why the turkish regime or the or the gun rule is making this shift. i can especially buy them very quickly in terms all elections. the groups brush where we'll talk about those details later. bobby, you've heard what? yeah, he has just said, it's a feeling of disappointment among the syrian opposition on the syrian rebels
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about this new over cheer from the turks to was the assyrian government. is this, is this dictated by tactical reasons, or is it a genuine jew? strategic shift by that turkish government. the need to turn a chapter, start a fresh, new one with bessalo les at ah, well 1st fall, i think we should begin that the negotiations or rather are officially not confirmed. reports were suggests in the last couple of years, turkish officials were at the highest possible level were meeting with syrian once . so the meeting of moscow, or turkey or for our sin, turkey was not really a big surprise. and it was moral as expected. when you look at the,
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our discussions and criticisms of the announcement of rep recruitment officially by the on. so i mean, in turkey, the mood was that for many, it was like long expected because the conflict wouldn't be sold by itself and someone should start sitting around the table. and also i remember mister dawn in his turkish speech, we're saying we're not abandoning syrian a position as such. but rather, we are extended a hand to find a solution for a really, but a what the crisis in a more than a decade are lasting. and turkey, of course, has very serious security concerns. so far as the armed our people let's say, over 50000. we don't know the exact numbers, but we're arm and financed and trained by the u. s. in the pretext of
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fighting against isis or take took it takes it very seriously. ok, peter, we would like here to break down those security concerns vice by a turkey turkey. is it the presence of the y p g, which they consider to be an affiliate of the p k. k. as the biggest motive for the turkish government to say now, would rather have deal with my salad. i said, than seeing the y p g gaining more ground in north eastern part of syria. well, definitely the white be a major concern and but it's a part of a list of interest that are going has with regards to add this move to reconcile. and certainly if he can get the support of
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the cooperation from the mascot, his you know, on the one hand he can negotiate on, on how we can cooperate with the masters on the issue of of the syrian heard problem. and damascus can benefit by making them dependent on, on, on our son. and that's just one there. only many other factors. okay. yeah. what would be your next move? i'm talking about the city and position in general. if turkey decides it's about time to build stronger relations with bessalo as a, what would you do? well, this is a very difficult question. now i shouldn't be just address to because
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once raced by your guess is, for instance, extending the hand to bush who has been labored. they can go cut, they're gone. and you know his own people by, by those what, extending the hand to him. a solution for their so young crisis for all these years. i think there are reasons behind this move basically the elections and the, the issue or is if you asked the other just thinking that the regime that's planted think a k to nurture the key gate all these all these years to be the one who is going to get that ticket gate at the terror away from the suction board us. another reason i think the
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idea is that there is a vacuum in the fi in the file in the sense that they can move the stagnant water in this fine and remind the states it's being doing good and nothing to work. that because you got a master in this area and the world, another thing that's mobilized or move the turkey actually is the objection to the military operation which was planned. ready i think i've gone through this objection could be sort of in this way and i think this is a huge and you cannot solve problems by that bye bye hands to that cause. ready or through the one who created these problems and expelling, or they'll just use a routing millions or billions,
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not on the inside story of your key. you have about the 4000000 citizens and when their voice is heard yesterday and there a week ago, and it's going to continue. i think this is a reminder not only to talk to you, but to the world that they have abandoned a very good crisis, a horrible crisis taking place for 12 years. i think this is a reminder of the world. if the guy feels that he can fill up the vacuum in this way by extending her hand under, okay, what happy you said earlier, we are yet to wait for this refreshment. but you remember the moscow meeting body have, for the 1st time, the highest level of official contact between the 2 countries, syria and turkey,
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defense ministers, along with senior intelligence officers. coupled with the issue of refugees, syrian refugees in turkey and the security situation. do you think that for turkey, this is about the time to reshape its relationship with the syrian government with bachelor's and in particular, ready for him. so the deep up, your strategic circumstances are definitely not same as, let's say a decade ago when turkey made these of decisions on turkey and turkish, people firmly believed and stood behind on the on, in support of syrian or position. let's remember that and took who opened her this open door policy for our syrian, our innocent people running for their lives, man and woman children, as our gust ya, her quite right is said that the number reach to 3 to 4 median,
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but actually just single it out refugee, she is probably wouldn't be a good answer to why turkey turkey is reproach on this. remember turkey did that are with saudi arabia, with united arab emirates, you know, kind of getting relations better and nodded. i know a person that there are a strong will to call feeling to get relations better with egypt, and of course, syria was always on the line and it did what in turkey is that this reproach month despite attracting a lot of criticism or will be attractive more could be a good sign and a good thing in order to find a peaceful solution or a viable exit strategy to the conflict that calls so many lives and millions displaced within syria and, and, and came refugees outside syria. all right, peter,
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do you think that russia is going to be a key component of whatever happens in the future in between turkey and syria? yes. and certainly was the initiative over the gun to ask russia to mediate perhaps russia was behind this already behind the making of this fine or partial model. russia definitely wants to be a p player and maintain its influence in the syrian region, but to act as, as a mediator here given that. ready we can position tens more on the frame and the
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certainly here once better ties to strengthen his high school or do gotten and this, this is already ongoing since last year there was a meeting in such he, in russia between or put in on economic issues and this is a kind of a continuation or needs to really here to you know, to, you know, be the power broker, the mediators to help him you know, and persuade less sense. okay. this reconciliation. yeah. now yeah, you've been talking about your concerns about this rather small between turkey and syria, but i would like to ask you about the fact that 12 years ago with the uprising,
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the opposition was gaining ground. he was controlling a huge areas of syria, then it was beset by different sorts of factors, divisions, what you described as betrayal of regional powers to the point way. now your presence is just confined to a small part of the country. and when you see this breath that in turkish sylvian relations, could it be the moment for you to reconsider things like for example, starting talks with by subtle asset why things are not a matter of geography. in a serious case, it is a matter of the i think there are to getting its own people. it's not a matter of opposition and a g as the cases in turkey. no. the situation was say, it was a different while people rose originally in 2011 and all that to over throw out a dictatorship o pressure suppression, killing jailing
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a. disgracing. that's basically the reason and people were turkey was their goal for, for just getting shut up. they do appreciate what 30 has all these years when nobody was the tech, it was there and this is highly appreciate it. and that's the source of the surprise citizens. what do you, what do you hear? the voices of those people that were seated. the been streets in been hundreds of thousands in northern city. yes. you are reminded of 2011 when you rose against the machine. now i want this reconciliation. they just
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are very sorry for those that was so close to them. ok to come to this point when that is its weakest position and to extend the hand to rescue for most and protein always. i mean, the us who is trying to push for this is in crisis due to, to what is happening in the ukraine. and he wants to say to the world since message to the world that he is in control of. so yeah, i think the way he likes. okay, what, what, what is unacceptable. this is a more of a collapse. right. and we, and we hope aspire for 32 to wake up earlier. all right, then this brings me to ask about you do understand this feeling among the student people that they could be betrays by turkey,
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which has always been saying that it will support the, the syrian people. now when you look at the reset, you've been talking about with which a reset of turkish relations with regional players, the united arab emirates, saudi arabia. now talking, it talks about a meeting between us up a button and bushel as at all these elements. when, if you bring them together, if you stitch them together, could be, could you think that could be conducive to a permanent solution to the crisis in seattle, the political problem and see where i personally very much. i hope so. and the i will be delighted to see because i'm in as, as, as an academic, i have a 100 so 1st serious suited as a students. and i really enjoyed being with them and myself in the past traveling a couple of years a couple of times a year. so i didn't consider myself like an honor recipients of that much. i are, you know, i appreciate being with them and certainly, i mean,
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all people in turkey a desire to have a permanent solution to the conflict in syria. it should start from somewhere and i really sympathize with the i as well. i mean, we don't deny that, but it is not all the target us. remember since last november 2021 the u. e. or the minister of foreign affairs in hade another visit to damascus in december just a months ago. so it is, seems that, you know, the kind of a move in the middle east in our up world is to get back re establish relations and find a solution to that conflict. because it is that the longer it is becomes more chronical and, and hopefully this will be a good step forward. all right, peter, we talk about syrian turkish roulette relations as if this is going to ultimately boyd down to the 2 key players. and as of they've abdullah and best of us have come
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together and set aside those differences. but when you look at the modalities of whatever agreement will happen in the future, particular when it comes to the y p g. do you think that is going to be easy for the syrian government to deploy forces in the northeastern part of the country along the border with turkey without the americans, the french thing? wait a 2nd. we've been here providing significant assistance to the y p g. and you cannot just come now and change they political nap on the ground. i think this is a really an agreement that was made by russia from the beginning. and russia wants to create stability in the read, you know, wants to be making it less. and i will, you know, certainly there's going to be a response from, from iran. ok. but, but, but it's going to be really,
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the key player here is going to be russia, which is going to for which are 2. that means in this case are very, you know, in order to make this report and this month is really for the benefit are gone for his result of border security problems and also to resolve his problems and refugees. ok. terminal running out of time. i really appreciate your insights, your hail adi, the that'd be the son peter product spring and thank you. thank you very much and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just the dot com for further discussion goes on facebook page. that's
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