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sometimes you know, i can't wait to go back to the mainland. it's been 3 years. we have no time to delay. now that the board is open, but katrina, hugh has more from beijing. people here are elated people. i've spoken to all of the joy to them this month. the real end of the strict 0 corporate policy that china has been under for almost 3 years. that policy involved lengthy, quarantined for those coming from abroad as well as just general restrictions on movement for those who didn't even leave the country. now, according to a travel agency, one of the biggest here in china interest in overseas travel has jumped by about 80 percent of people searching various destinations. the top favorite so far is thailand, but also a lot of interest in japan. south korea, the u. s. and australia, iran is facing international condemnation, off to hanging to men convicted of killing a member of a paramilitary force during protests against the government in november,
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amnesty international says the convictions relied on forced confessions. russian shelling has killed at least one person in easton, ukraine as moscow's unilateral cease fire ins. the ha keith governor says the victim was a 50 year old man. fighting has been reported in the dorm bass region. voting is underway. pennines parliamentary elections and opposition parties are on the bell. it for the 1st time since 2015, they were banned from the previous vote in 2019, which lead to violent protests against president patrice. tell on those are the headlines. the news continues after inside story, which is up next. the american people with folk. what exactly did they say is the world looking for a whole new order with america in it? is the woke agenda on the decline in america. how much the social media companies know about you, and how easy is it to manipulate the quizzical look us politics? the bottom line are the presidents of turkey and syria bow to meet russia. play
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of amazon has been a vocal critical question. i said, but now it appears a reconciliation is underway. so what's behind this development and what does it mean for conflicts in syria and the region? this is insights for it. ah hello, what come to the program? i am hasha, alberta. serious opposition says it's unthinkable to consider future which turkey it's biggest supporter makes peace with the syrian regime. it's biggest enemy, while there is now a possibility of talks between uncover and damascus, brokered by russia and the syrian opposition isn't staying quiet. ah, political and military grooves,
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as well as thousands of civilians have held major rallies in areas. behold in western syria in italy, protesters also voice that opposition to any or push bond between the 2 nations chanting songs. now, decades old, the court for the overthrow of president bashar assad government that government is accused of getting hundreds of thousands of people. after years of civil war, it controls about 2 thirds of the country. rattle your major body. the decision today in it live, is clear to day in the liberated area there more than 20 demonstration points to tell you that there is no reconciliation with this regime. then on negotiations with the surgeon that is not the solution anthea other than overthrowing the surgeon. no, no hell, no, he went out to overthrow this criminal gang. the drug gang that has carpeted every one. they've got up that society and they're going to destroy the world. would the capt. i got the advice and to find out what this band of criminal each and us would . jeremy defense ministers from turkey, syria and russia,
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back in moscow last month to discuss ways to and the war in syria. that talked about the possibility of returning refugees and how to work together to combat armed groups. the discussions follow repeated warnings from an color they could launch a ground operation. more than syria and action rush opposers uncut, blame scottish fighters across the border from bombing in istanbul. in november, that killed 6 people and injured dozens took his president, pay about the law says he may meet syrian president, bashar, less at russia to cheer studio. let us as russia to kia and syria, our intelligence officials and defense ministers met in moscow. and we have launched a process there, we will bring our foreign ministers together. and then depending on developments, we will come together as leaders are the, ah,
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let's bring in our guests. yeah, here a lot of the is a syrian opposition member and a specialist in serial affairs. he joins us by skype from paris, web based and is assistant professor of history at ben alden university. he joins us by skype from east on board. and joining us from he ain't no haste. peter pollack springer is an associate professor of the european university of i'd rena, welcome to the program. yeah, here. why is the syrian opposition concerned about this refreshment it when there are between turkey and syria? is it the fact that the realised now that that dreams of a sylvia without a shadow as it could be shattered by blue things? first, the hush him to you and to your guests. i would like to say that to the opposition. and so in the 30 years of read
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the 1st of all use the orange historical terms contra once. more has you ruin oil on so suddenly leave. those are a shift then. unbelievable. should i say the position of turkey for subtler uses i could specified and this is some sort of a appointment, especially with the situation of with gene in such a hectic situation, economically, socially, internationally, politically and morally. the recently, the gene is a label now and it's the kink. ready over a category, all these things just happening and with somebody who's the closest resilient
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people, that's okay. so you believe or thought there is now extending a hand to do what he called today, a criminal one who is his own people. so this is really, that's surprising and we understand really why this shift is taking place. all right, if you want me to specify those reasons for why the search regime or the or gun group is making this shift again, especially by them very quickly in terms of elections. the gun groups brush. when we talk about those details later, bobby, you've heard what he has just said. it's a feeling of disappointment among the syrian opposition. and the syrian rebels
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about this new overture from the turks to was the assyrian government is this. is this dictated by tactical reasons, or is it a genuine juice strategic shift by the turkish government? the need to turn a chapter start a fresh, new one with bessalo les at ah, well 1st fall, i think we should begin that the negotiations or rather are officially not confirmed. reports were suggests in the last couple of years, turkish officials were at the highest possible level were meeting with syrian once . so the meeting of moscow, or turkey, or for us in turkey, was not really a big surprise. and it was moral as expected. when you look at the,
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our discussions and criticisms of the announcement of rep rushman officially by the on. so i mean, in turkey, the mood was that for many, it was like long expected because the conflict wouldn't be sold by itself and someone should start sitting around the table. and also i remember mister dawn in his turkish speech, we're saying we're not abandoning syrian a position as such. but rather we are extending a hand to find a solution for a really, but a crisis in a more than a decade or lasting. and turkey, of course, has very serious security concerns. so far as the armed our people let's say, over 50000. we don't know the exact numbers, but we're arm and financed and trained by the us in the pretext of
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fighting against isis will take took it, takes it very seriously. ok, peter, we like here to break down those security concerns. vice by turkey. turkey is it the presence of the y p g, which they consider to be an affiliate of the p k. k. as the biggest motive for the turkish government to say now, would rather have dears with my salad. i said, than seeing the wifi g. gaining more ground in some parts of syria. well, definitely the white be a major concern and but it's a part of a list of interest that no one has with regards to this move to reconcile. and certainly if she can get the support of
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a go cooperation from the mascot, us on the one hand, negotiate on how we can cooperate with the masters on the issue of the syrian problem. and damascus can benefit by making them dependent on on, on sun. that's just one or only many other factors. okay. yeah. what would be your next move? i'm talking about the city and opposition in general, if turkey decides is about time to build strong relations with charlotte as a what would you do? well, this is a very difficult question. now, how about me? just address to stickler points raised by your guess is for instance
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extending the hand to bush who has been labored. the cuts are gone and his own people by, by those what extending the hand to him a solution for. ringback so young crisis for all these years. i think there are reasons behind this move basically the elections and the issue or is if you asked the other, just thinking that the regime that's planted gay and that to nurture vacated all these all these years to be the one who is going to get that ticket gate the terror away from the suction board us. another reason i think the
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search is that there is a vacuum in the fire in the city on file in the sense that. ready they can move the stagnant water in this file and remind the states it's being doing good and nothing towards that matter in this area in the world. another thing that's mobilized or move the turkey actually is the objection to them in history operation, which was planned. ready i think i've gone through this objection could be sort of in this way and i think this is a huge and you cannot sort of problems bye bye bye hands to that cause. ready or through the one created these problems and expelling, or they'll just use a routing millions or billions,
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not on the inside story of your key. you have about leave for 1000000 citizens and when their voice is heard yesterday and there a week ago, and it's going to continue. i think this is of the minds are not only to talk, give up to the world that they have abandoned a very good crisis, a horrible crisis taking place for 12 years. i think this reminder of the world, if the guy feels that he can fill up the vacuum in this way by extending your hand under ok. why be you said earlier, we are yet to wait for this refreshment. but you have member the moscow meeting where you have for the 1st time, the highest level of official contact between the 2 countries, syria and turkey,
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defense ministers, along with senior intelligence officers. coupled with the issue of refugees, syrian refugees in turkey and the security situation. do you think that for turkey, this is about the time to reshape its relationship with the syrian government with a shuttle as an in particular ready for him. so the deep up, your strategic circumstances are definitely not same as, let's say a decade ago when turkey made these of decisions on turkey and turkish, people firmly believed and stood behind on the on, in support of syrian or position. let's remember that and took who opened her this open door policy for our syrian, our innocent people running for their lives. men, woman, children, as our gust ya, her quite right is said that the number reach to 3 to 4 median,
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but actually just single it out refugee, she is probably wouldn't be a good answer to why turkey turkeys reproach on this. remember turkey did that are with saudi arabia, with united arab emirates, you know, kind of getting relations better and nodded. i know a person that there are a strong will to called feeling to get relations better with egypt. and of course, syria was always on the line and it was in turkey. is that this reproach month despite attracting a lot of criticism or will be attractive more could be a good sign and a good thing in order to find a peaceful solution or a viable exit strategy to the conflict that calls. so many lives and medians displaced within syria and, and, and came refugees outside syria. all right, peter,
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do you think that russia is going to be a key component of whatever happens in the future in between turkey and syria? yes. and certainly was the initiative over to gun to ask russia to mediate perhaps russia was behind this already behind making up this fine or partial model. russia definitely wants to be a player and maintain its influence in the syrian region, but to act as, as a mediator here, given that we can position tens more on the ukraine. and the certainly here
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put, puts, you know, once better ties to strengthen his high school or do gotten and this, this is already ongoing since last year there was a meeting in sort she, in russia between put in on a cannot make issues. and this is a kind of a continuation or do nice thing really here to, you know, to, you know, be the power broker, the mediators to help them and persuade less sense. okay. this reconciliation. yeah. now, you've been talking about your concerns about this rather small between turkey and syria, but i would like to ask you about the fact that 12 years ago with the uprising,
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the opposition was gaining ground. he was controlling a huge areas of serial. then it was beset by different sorts of factors, divisions, what you described as betrayal of regional powers to the point way. now your presence is just confined to a small part of the country. and when you see this beset in turkish cillian relations, could it be the moment for you to reconsider things like, for example, starting talks with a shuttle asset why some things are not. i'm not that old. you're graphy in the city of this case. it is a matter of the dictatorship, getting its own people. it's not, i'm not at all position. and d, as the cases in turkey know, the situation is different. what people rose originally in 2011 and all that to throw dictatorship oppression, suppression, killing, jailing,
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displacing. that's basically the reason and people were turkey was their goal for, for just getting shut up and they do appreciate what 30 has all these years when nobody was the 30 was there and this is highly appreciated. and that's the source of the surprise citizens. what do you, what do you hear? the voices of those people who seated the been states in been hundreds of thousands in northern city. yes. you are reminded of 2011 when you use the regime. now you don't want this reconciliation. they just are
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very sorry. for those that to was so close to them. ok to come to this point when that is its weakest position and to extend the hand to rescue them almost. and putting always who is trying to push for this is in crisis due to to what is happening in the ukraine. and he wants to say to the world since a message to the world that he is in control of. so yeah, of things the way he likes it got pushed. 32. okay. what well, what is unacceptable? this is a more radical lapse are right. and we, and we hope and aspire for turkey to her to wake up earlier. all right, and this brings me to ask very about the abbey. you do understand this feeling among the syrian people that they could be betrayed by turkey, which has always been saying that it will support the,
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the syrian people. now when you look at the reset, you've been talking about when it's which a reset of turkish relations with regional players, the united arab emirates, saudi arabia. now talking, it talks about a meeting between us up a button and bushel as that. all these elements. when, if you bring them together, if you stitch them together, could be, could do you think that could be conducive to a permanent solution to the crisis in syria to the political problem and see where i personally very much i hope so. and the i will be delighted to see because i'm in as, as, as an academic, i have a 100 so 1st serious suited as a students. and i really enjoyed being with them and myself in the past traveling a couple of years a couple of times a year. so i didn't consider myself like on a resume so that much i are, you know, i appreciate being with them. and certainly,
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i mean, old people in turkey, a desire to have a permanent solution to the conflict in syria. it should start from somewhere and i really sympathize with the i as well. i mean we don't deny that, but it is not all the target us. remember since last november 2020 to one the u. e. a minister of foreign affairs in hade another visit to damascus in december just a months ago. so it is, seems that, you know, the kind of a move in the middle east in our up world is to get back re establish relations and find a solution to that conflict. because it is that the longer it is becomes more chronical and, and hopefully this will be a good step forward. all right, peter, we talk about syrian turkish really relations as if this is going to ultimately boy down to the 2 key players. and as of they have adult on and best of us have come together and set aside those differences. but when you look at the modalities
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of whatever agreement will happen in the future, but ticket when it comes to the y p g. do you think that is going to be easy for the syrian government to deploy forces in the northeast? some part of the country along the border with turkey without the americans, the french thing. wait a 2nd. we've been here providing significant assistance to the white b, g. and you cannot just come now and change they political nap on the ground. i think this is a really an agreement that was made by russia from the beginning and russia wants to create stability in the region. i was to be making it to us. and i'm with, you know, certainly there's going to be a response from, from iran and, ah, but, but it's going to be really,
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the key player here is going to be russia, which is going to for, which are good. that means in this case, are very, you know, in order to make this a partial month and this month is really for the benefits are gone on for his dad to resolve his or her security problems and also to resolve his problems and refugees. ok. terminal running out of time, i really appreciate your insights. yeah, he allowed the that'd be based on peter pollack spring and thank you. thank you very much and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll visit a dot com for further discussion goes our facebook page. that's facebook dot com,
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