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pieces there's no reprieve just yet to back to back. storms are barreling in from the pacific and more than 15000000 californians remain under flood watch. alexandra buyers al jazeera. meanwhile, in west, in australia, hundreds, hundreds of people that have been rescued from flooded towns and communities cut off by record breaking rainfall. an extreme weather system brought heavy rain to the kimberly region in the far north of the state causing emergency services. a cooling once in a century, floods recovery and rebuilding operations are expected to take months. people in the kimberly are experiencing a one in 100 year flood event. the worst flooding western australia has had in its history. the situation it continues to change and is proving to be extremely challenging for residents in the region. again, we're asking people to postpone any non essential travel to the kimberly region. ah,
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cyclic main stories before we leave you and in brazil, security forces have again control the congress building the supreme court and the presidential palace after they were stormed by supporters of the former president chapel sanara applesauce. left one week ago. he left office after losing the election to louise in osteo, lulu to silva, but he and his supporters of refused to accept the defeat. speaking in south palo lula vowed the everyone involved will be found and punished, and he is declared of federal security intervention in priscilla until the end of the month. when a kiana key has more from rio de janeiro. this was a tragedy waiting to happen. everybody had predicted this was happ would happen because our former president, j bowles donato followed the play book of former u. s. president donald trump, who he admires to the t. he did just almost everything that trump did. he repeated
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in brazil just a couple of weeks or months later. so his supporters had always said that they would take our matters in hand if the military did not. ah decree a cool because according to them, the election was stolen. beijing as reopened its borders, dismantling the final pillar of a 0 kind of policy that shielded its population, but also cut them off from the outside world. huge cues formed as people stream back into the country by land and sea, with incoming travellers no longer required to quarantine. it coincided with the beginning of the lunar new year travel period and a surge in cases across the country. by the job, by ms. visiting us mexico border for the 1st time since being elected, he goes to the town of el paso in the state of texas. days after announcing plans to curb illegal immigration from fort central and south american nations. will vote counting a started in benito parliamentary election while position parties were back on the
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ballot also being banned from the previous vote. their exclusion in 2019 led to violent protest against president patrice allan damage the country's images, a bastion of democracy in the region. 7 parties were allowed to participate in sundays vote. that's it for myself and the team here in london, generation change is the program coming up next, looking at south african activists, tackling global warming and racial inequality. while mon, you see that the top of the next hour, including all the latest developments out of brazil, on the counseling cost, we look at what's in store for real estate. so the risk of a global recession increases when millions of homeowners of yours are highly exposed. to rate rises during any economic downturn, and we ask what you might want to do to protect yourself. counting the cost or 0. i think a history of activism is rooted in struggling against the fighting. now
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the born fee generation believe it is there time to fight for a more equal and justice society. welcome to generation change a global theories and attempts to challenge and understand the ideas and mobilize you around for rob. i'm and charlie, an independent journalist based here in johanna. in this episode, we need to women who are working towards radical change to address challenges is very debt. database violence, cloth and racial inequality and climate change thing . mm kid them if they were born or to 94,
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at the end of it, what do you think people don't know about the role of women in the struggle against upon it? i really think the way in which history is told it serves a purpose, right? which has also to reinforce, you know, a male dominated, a presence and power structure, right? basis, reinforcement of these motives, right? these men who come and save as vulnerable group of women, which has inheritance the wrong and for women were organizing churches. don't fail, trade union, women wouldn't literally carrying the country the pattern shoulder, how ill a history continues to omit that. and i think what it does is that it continues to further alienate women and their contributions they're making society with political, social, even economic ah,
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we here at constitution, how into harrisburg, and particularly in the structure, we are at the women's jail. why was this a significant space for you when i think about the, the caliber of women that were incarcerated in this place, you know, it literally just brings me in, or it's the persistence of women writing themselves into history even in the absence. right. and for me, as a young feminist, as a young actor was, that has been really pinnacle in grounding my own activism as a new generation. as the woke generation, we must never ever get tired of developing new resistance strategies. i mean, if these women were able to organize themselves, i know probably one of the most difficult conditions. i see no reason why we're unable to achieve, you know, the idea of building the biggest feminist global movement. you are now 20 think in an activist since he was 17. what was the compelling factor
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that made you think, you know, i want to be an activist. there was a case by go by the name of i mean poisons and western cape she was raped into, to kill entry. i was like, oh my gosh, i'm 17. she's 17. she got killed on a night out and i was thinking about all the times. i like to jump again or to go out with my friends, what would happen to happen to meet those just so much uniqueness and similarity almost a decade later. and now i'm the, you know, the chair and found out of the black woman cook as a, a. 2 what ultimately black woman caucus seeks to do is to really create a society for your wives. we don't want to live this violence, prison society all the time. we want to be comfortable. i mean, i'm feeling like i want to be able to walk down the streets of johannesburg and not worry about am i mixed
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in for your 17 and you've already been an activist for a few years now. how did you start and what was it? the major spot, so it all started in 2018 when we were taught to do some research. i'm trying to change. i grew a lot of cabins. i t c, nor these facts about how we have limited time and watching my future fade away as the health of our environmental kinds and what it ignited my activism was the since i had he taught, do everything in my power to create a change what i mean, some people will say that you know what, this stuff is. will people who can afford to have 5 different bins and recycled buds. you know, you spoken to the fact that it does affect people whom, you know, live in the townships, poor people. the 1st time i came to realize the seriousness behind environmental
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racism. when i spoke to a friend of mine who said when she was very young, she had to live with her grandmother was stating to wait till the 3rd day. she develop breathing difficulties and of years later when she moved back to the server, everything was fine. and that's when she made the link bad because the air quality in the little was so terrible that she developed asthma on that. and you can make that link with a prostate, how her a positive government, basically that is all in one area and indian people, another area. and how do you prefer one area and gave like people that land that belong to those citizens that they just dumped in the area. and even though we live in a post upon south africa, that neglect is so carried out what
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has been rewarding and that you would consider, you know, biggest mall in achievement that you've been able to kind of get to with your work so far as i wanted to rent that make of thank impact my life is when someone will come to me personally and say thank you for telling me this as land. and now i know better and i can do better. i think the biggest a team lorenzo also just speaking up approaches, a lot of activists around the world don't have that privilege. and needless meet his birthday mind. so being able to stand up in front of college and speak your mind as there's be a privilege and also a big achievement. when you, once again year people are listening and yet the prayer responding. he said, come on in articles, theera, you're 17 and keep them in for you 26. i'm wondering for both of you what you feel, the defining values and elements of each of your respective generations. activism
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are okay. um, so firstly i belong to the 1st cohort of the born fries, you know, the generation that was born after democracy in south africa. and i think for a large, you know, to a large extent, our activism is really centered and crowded around holding. you know, our democratic government, accountable, right, hoping for a significant change in the living conditions of youth and just the population more broadly. so we do borrow a lot from the anti party struggle in terms of the music, the songs of kind of the struggle songs that you thing. and also some of the organizing and mobilizing strategies. you know, we're really still focus in terms of mass space movement bowling. and this is quite evident with the feasible for student poses across 26 institutions of higher learning, which saw university students demanding for free the colonized high education. but
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of course, you know, the success of moments such a season before i launch the attributed to digital and online activism. and how that has also helped us in terms of shaping our own narrative. sarah, you know something about that, but what would you like to add? yeah, kinsey, we grew up in the age of technology, the world of social media, and that came with a lot of benefits in terms of with mobilizing people internationally. and especially now during append to make what social media is also brought is lots of inclusivity because you moving away from just that mainstream media narrative and you embracing a diverse range of narratives and you getting to include so much more within your activism. so i think the inclusive routine that social media has brought has been a key and defining factor with gmc, so after the most recent use led to mass movement towards fisma school, which as you mentioned earlier, was the fight to, you know,
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gain wide access for free and d, colonized tissue education. what do you think it was about that movement? get him into that made it resonate so widely with our generation. i think a big part of fisma for beyond issues of x is, was really holding government accountable to say, to what extent are you prepared to sacrifice an upcoming generation of young leaders and actresses. purely on the basis of, you know, keeping or be deliberate about keeping it commodified or a cap as a racist system that continues to marginalize and exclude lex students specifically from institutions of higher learning. there are you about 12 or 13 when this was unfolding on the news media? what did it mean for you on a personal level to see young people really, you know, rise up on such a mass scale. it was really inspiring and was watching history unfold. read before
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my eyes, and while i didn't understand how the, how complex the issue was back there, and i understood the surface level of it. but diving into activism, the fees must, will activist. so one of the most inspiring activists that i look up to give you permission to be angry as well. yes. 100 percent. and like i said before, that anger just ignited passion to stand up and fight me. could do me yours as you t should. you the found a, in fact, of the black women's caucus, which among the many mandates you have is looking into eradicating to the base violence. can you talk to me about the myriad of violence? is that for african women right now facing? i mean, when you speak about in the base violence, of course, you know, the mostly needed understandings around sexual and physical forms of violence. you know, and this is, and this makes sense. i mean, south africa as seen as a rape capital globally, not privy. take to have and by the way,
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our famous side rate is 5 times higher than the global average. right. and so understanding around in the balance, been famous that has really been within the conceptual framework. however, as black women coke of we're saying that is it to serve as well as to reduce gena based violence and famous side to only physical and sexual forms of violence. you know, political violence, economic violence, environmental violence, social violence, all violence is that country peach. the laundry facilities of women, and it's important that when we find solutions and we propose who says that they must be multi problems and they must be classical so that they're able to address the sources. and so can you give me an example of what that work looks like, or how you bring these solutions to the public? of course, a lot of the steps and research than in south africa around in the base violence has attributed to a women's economic participation as
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a massive dr. vulnerability to gender based violence and fame aside. so in 2019, on the 13th of september, when we march to the ritual square mile in africa and sentence demanding greater participation from private states in terms of, you know, their response to gender based violence. we're ultimately saying you need to also be able to, you need to be held accountable for women's economic vulnerability. because largely when you think about great been famous, i will always think about it within the confinement of the home. right. but the moment we made it a business issue in economic issue, we're ultimately saying that the continuous subjugation and violation of women number one cause the sub african economy between 20 and 40000000000 rand annually. right. and that also means that part of our activity, part about mobilization and advocacy requires us to make structural changes. it looks like you had something and you know, 100 percent. it needs systemic change. if you just bain,
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change on one service that's of is, is widespread. and in order for structural change to take place and the most effective change take place that needs to be systemic, it needs to be institutionalized. so old way, addressing every level of the problem. yes, 100 percent fair. i you started climate warriors and you're a part of the collective movement. tell me what collective movement is and what would you do with them. so the collective movement is a youth made into sectional climate group. and we aimed to achieve time, a justice through social justice and vice versa. so it's a group of young activists and recently i work has all been on social media and online because of the pen demik. so this year we working on climate change through pen african context. so interviewing or having discussions with activists from uganda and kenya, and just broadening our perspective on climate change and how the policy making
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takes place in different areas around the world and different challenges and coming up with solutions. and then also spreading awareness and advocating and pushing forward the climate, just as chartered movement to educate as many people on the climate change issue and exposing the intersectionality needed and bringing about inclusive between within the time of justice and movement. why do you think pacifically in the african context that climate justice has taken a backseat to other issues such as, you know, the ones that get him into and i was talking about that. so i think in the past, obviously if you're looking at a pre democratic south africa where people are fighting against the politics, redeem and fighting for liberation, come a change, understandably so is going to take a backseat. when you fight him to be free in your own country. but if you're looking at a post apologies south africa where we living in a democracy,
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i think there's a huge sense of apathy from those impala that firstly, the people empower putting profit before the people. we living in, we stuck in this capitalist mindset. another issue is the climate literacy rates in south africa, extremely low, and that comes down to an educational issue. so apathy and the lack of climate literacy course. what do you think? the intersections between climate justice and the kinds of justice that you know, your work strive really interesting, hey, i really like the fact that you know, breaking climate justice and social justice. and i think for large, you know, for a long time we've thought about climate justice as a stand alone kind of struggle. you know, it's like sitting in the corner and nobody really wants to view. busy said, but what has been very important and has been quite a big eye opener for me myself as a feminist,
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is the work we've been doing in formal settlements. and how when you spoke about literacy, environmental literacy. how we still struggling to make the connections at community they will between the environment and social justice claim example. one of the communities that we work in is called customer parking. formal settlement for water and sanitation breakdown in infrastructure and just listening to you. i can already see, you know, how climate just fits into that, right. but i do believe that to a large extent, the climate justice movement has positioned itself as quite a white lead to movement, right? it has struggled to deal with a very concrete conditions that an ordinary person in south africa facie. but i think in a country like south africa, we need to be able to who and ground ideology and our advocacy in the lived experiences of people on a day to day basis. what do you say to this. c climate change for the longest time
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has seemed like a very privileged issue. if i'm struggling to put food on my plate, why should i care about the quantity? why should i care about a little on the beach? and i think that comes down to the needful climate, conscious media and was kind of conscious media inclusivity. so looking at climate change across the world. and also understanding that solutions that may work in the west on going to work in africa for various reasons. we have different economies, different policies, different governments, different histories, it just would fit. and i think was very vital when looking at climate justice and trying to change is looking at it through an intersection of lives. so instead of separating environmental factors and the social factors, bridging them together because common justice and social justice in trinity linked together to bring about positive change by tackling one. that solution is going to
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affect the other in either a positive or negative way, depending on what the solution is. so if you're looking at time a change geographically, climate change is going to disproportionately affect poorer black communities. so within your activism, you need to take within climate activism, you need to take into account classism, racism, sexism, homophobia. for example, if the natural disaster were to strike those communities would be most vulnerable. and if you look at the way society treats those communities now imagine how much was it's going to be when aid due to natural disaster is needed and needs to be brought to those communities. so advocating for human rights, you can pick and choose no form of oppression exists and isolation. i wonder what you both think, you know, the possibility of achieving your ideas and what
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a just world looks like. what do you think the implications of has on the work that you do get to me the, what i'm picking up and said capitalism, inheritance lee, you know, glorifies the individual, its limitations. however, in activism is that activism is not a one man show. right? and unfortunately, capitalism has created and it's continues to call opt civic action and civic and civic interventions and presents them as one men shows. right? we have the model that comes out, you know, this, you know, the intended sensation that comes out and is going to save the world. you know, i think what that does is that breaks down organic movement building strategies, right? i don't think we have any strong tangible movements that are being, you know, that are being nurtured, but instead what we're seeing with the individual acts of as rising and listen,
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i'm not saying it's a bad thing to have the popstars of a movement image. they're important, they keep the movement fun in dynamic, but i do think it's important that you lose our activism in communities because these alternative realities every once you know, those anti capitalist reality that we want to simulate into sexual reality that we want is not going to be fostered by an individual, it needs an active, you know, it needs to, if it's from a collective in order to drive that mandate. and i think this is some of the critiques of capitalism infiltrating cervical activist work, 100 percent. community community based change is the most sustainable and effective change in the long. and if you're looking at capitalism in a capitalistic world, the most ideal position you can be in right now is to be a white man. and that breaks down so much, it breaks down the feminist movement and breaks down any movement led by women.
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capitalism breeds the system of inequality. it's always gonna be if i'm winning someone else's losing. and like you said, it's a very individual, a glory, 5 individual work. and that is extremely problematic. it's also very problematic to have one face re present a whole movement because it excludes people that don't match that face that don't match their demographic. so yeah, definitely not carbon capitalism is the main cause to climate crisis. sorry. can i just add onto that? you know, i mean, i'm reflecting, reflecting such an important aspect of growing and as active as we should never stop reflecting. and when i think about, you know, the 2 parties movement. firstly, i know for a fact that many people who participated in those movements in those forms of resistance were not participating because they were individuals that they were idolizing because they felt a strong sense of, you know, personhood. i mean,
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the issues affecting me directly. therefore, i need to actively participate in finding the solutions. and i think you know, the idea of the glorifying of the individual grubs as of it. and i think our communities of, of the, to hold is grounded to hold us accountable. and to make sure that we are working in living within the ideals of the, of the movements that we represent. well, i guess in closing, i'm curious if it's not clear so far what you both hope to achieve and if you feel optimistic about, you know, being able to actually achieve those things, keep them at the i will, perpetual optimist. firstly, as a disclaimer, so i definitely do think things will get better. i do think that you know, we need to intensify our minds and struggles, but also change all sides of oppression and fight. right. i think so many times you
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know, what activism and how we tradition of you know, activism to be said. busy we take to the streets, writes to get our messages across. and although that is important, we also need to see some radical advancement and transformation in the policy, in covenants fios, right? and so as black woman caucus, you know, at the heart of the solutions that we propose as a social movement, is the realization and strengthening of feminist movements, which are going to foster feminist leadership. we need to see an emergence of new radical feminist leaders. really shaping the world to where we want to take it. right. and i honestly believe that we've got the right energies. we've got the minds, we've got the hearts and miss stewart, sarah. oh. 1 i like i said l yeah, i have climate anxiety and the only thing i can thing on to that cabinet dieties optimism towards a future. it drives me to constantly wake up and make the decision that this is
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what i'd like to change. this is where, you know, that could be the change you want to see an advocate for the change that you'd like to see. so i think a main goal is to just get the same urgency that we're carrying today with sending that to the hearts of our government and our leadership to demand a climate emergency and to attack all of the social issues that we've unpacked today. because once again, social justice is climate justice and vice versa. so yeah, i think unification needs to do a case like today between the generations and just, you know, keep the energy, don't let it die. i feel going up with social media. you see activism turns into a trend and it reads a lot of performance of activism and every year and every month there's a new hash tag and something use trending and, and serve treating activism and social issues as a trade make it. keeping that advocacy along constant action that moves within your
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