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finally, travel nationwide awful. china's borders with hong kong have also been reopened. these passages are among the 1st to cross without needing to isolate at a government facility. this weekend also must the beginning of to noon. the travel period leading up to noon and new year. chinese railway department expect 2000000000 trips to be made over the next few weeks, many by migrant workers who were unable to travel, harming previous years to strict 0 curve and policy. but widespread corbett 19 infections have prompted the government to issue guidelines cautioning against spreading the virus in rural areas. governance abroad have also raised concerns with more than a dozen countries, including the united kingdom, france and australia. imposing restrictions on passages from china. pung fe says he'll steer clear of those countries for now, and is just relieved that china's days of global isolation seem to be ending. katrina, you out 0, beijing. ah,
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you're watching our deserve these ra top stories. security forces in brazil, every gain control of government buildings attacked by supporters of former president john bolaro. hundreds broke into congress. the supreme court owned the presidential palace in the capital. brazilian president lewis, in our seo lula de silver, has promised us swift investigation and punishment for those responsible violence comes just a week after he took office following his narrow election victory in october. he blamed his predecessor for inciting the attack booth abbey. it the way everybody knows that this was encouraged by several speeches made by the former president. he encouraged the invasion of the supreme court of the presidential palace. he encouraged the invasion of the 3 governmental powers whenever he could. this is also his responsibility and it's the responsibility of the parties that supported
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him. all. this will be investigated forcefully and very quickly. and joe biden has visited the united states southern border with mexico for the 1st time as president . he's now about to take off from the town of el paso to the mexican capital he's alive. pictures it comes days after he announced plans to deny asylum to undocumented migrants arriving from cuba, nicaragua, haiti, and venezuela. a boat carrying a 185 for a hinge, a refugee says arrived in western indonesia. hundreds of ranger have reached our che province in recent months or hinge muslims are persecuted in the home country of myanmar. all than 1000000 have sought shelter in neighboring bangladesh. since 2017 ukraine has dismiss russian claims that hundreds of its soldiers were killed. in an overnight strike. schools and apartment blocks were damaged in the attack in the eastern city of clamor tools. ukraine's military says no one was killed. local residents said windows were blown out on buildings,
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but there was nothing notable about the strikes and vote counting his underway in bernini parliamentary election, where opposition parties were on the ballot after being banned from last elections . their exclusion in 2019 lead to violent protests against president patrice alone, and damage the country's image is a bastion of democracy. to loan has denied targeting political opponents or violating human rights. carry you up to date, those are the headlines. the news continues here on our jazeera, that's after up front to stay with us. the american people is spoken. but what exactly did they say? is the world looking for a whole new order with less america in it? is the woke agenda on the decline in america. how much does social media companies know about you? and how easy is it to manipulate the quizzical look us politics? the bottom line? indigenous women in the united states are going missing and getting murdered at an
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alarming rate. 10 times a national average on some reservations, more than 4 and 5 native american women have experienced violence in their life time. that's 1.2 times the average for white women who already experienced disproportionately, high rates of violence compared to men. so what's behind this epidemic of violence and why aren't we hearing about it constantly will take a closer look. but 1st, in canada, the uncovering of unmarked graves containing the remains of indigenous children leads to a moment of reckoning for the country. since may, more than 1300 bodies have been identified in your former residential school, these were government sponsor, church run centers, aimed at eradicating indigenous culture. as a search continues for what's believe to be thousands more grades, what impact is the story have it? and what's next and the struggle for justice. we'll talk to former senator and chair of candidates truth and reconciliation committee is weeks headliner, murray sinclair morrison. claire,
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thank you so much for joining me on up front. the uncovering of some 1300 graves containing the remains of indigenous children at former residential schools. it's made headlines all around the world. how has this revelation impacted the struggle for historical justice among canada's indigenous people? well, thank you for having me a new show and i thank you for the question. i think it's an important issue for us to be thinking about and talking about one of the things that we talked about in the report that i was sharing. now was that the issue, children going missing into schools and dying at schools was one that was often played out for us. and we had asked for a mandate to look into that more completely, sometimes 2 or 3 children to be buried in a grade. sometimes we heard stories from some of the survivors, residential schools, the children actually being killed deliberately. and one thing that we did point
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out was that because the government had forcibly removed the children from their families and from their communities, they had some obligation, a moral obligation of not only the one to work with the families to return the bodies of the children. to the families in their communities, in accordance with traditions and the practices of those particular communities. and they never did that. but we also pointed out that we had about 6500 names children who died in the schools that we could determined from the records of the schools. but we believe quite honestly, that there were many, many more probably as much as 8 or 9 times that number. maybe maybe even more of a stunning number to think about. and even as you talk about the stories that you're hearing from people and indigenous people have been telling you stories for
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years of deplorable conditions, abuse, and disappearing classmate. it's really no surprise to the indigenous communities that this is happening, but it seems like the broader canadian public was surprised by this pulling suggest that why haven't taken so long for the broader public to catch up to know what's going on. whether it would appear to us that there was a deliberate effort by the government of canada along with the churches that ran schools to cover up the desk of the children. there was actually a study that was done by the medical director of the residential schools by the name of a member, the name of dr. peter brace back in the early part of the 20th century about 1910 or show and he looked at the death rates of children in residential schools and scattering. and he estimated, based upon the studies that he had done and the evidence that he had before me. that between 25 and 49 percent of the children in those schools,
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neither died at the schools or died shortly after leaving the schools. the poor living conditions, support nutrition and the core lifestyle. the abuse that they experienced all contributed to their early death. and when dr. brace asked to issue as report to the public, they prevented him from doing that. and they actually fired him. and he managed to issue his report on his own privately, but and he called the national crime, this report. but the government refused to endorse their issues supported. and in addition to that, it was never really picked up in the media so that the connect society was also implemented and covering up their story. and in particular media, it seems to me as you point out, that the government has claimed ignorance to some extent around this stuff. and
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that's somewhat puzzling. former prime minister john, at the end in october of this year said that while serving as the minister of indian affairs and northern development in the $196070.00. he said that he quote, was not informed of any abuse at that time. but many other government officials say they had no idea of what was going on. how could they have not known is that, is that even possible? you know, they're not, they're not being truthful when i say that, because we know for the records again, because we had access to all the government records that were accessible to the public generally. that there were several reports over the years that were made 2 ministers that were made to government officials, departmental officials at a senior level, and that those records showed the death rates of children. and these are not indigenous people who are writing the honorable tommy douglas, for example,
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when he was later n d p and the house of commons raised it as an issue. and he was told, basically go back to scratch one and stop talking about these things. so he was really criticized and tried to raise it. so there's the issue of claiming ignorance and pretending that it never happened. and then there's the idea. alternatively of saying, oh, that's the distant past. that's a relic of ancient canadian history. when in fact, the last residential school closed with in 1997, it's a fairly recent part of the canadian historical narrative. how do residential schools continue at this moment to shape the present and shape how the indigenous experience plays out? in the last residential schools closed in the nineties and in the eighty's, someone's taken over by indigenous communities. so many of those schools are close
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at the end were much better run and there was more significant openness, which are very bad memories from the people who are there. and some of them have now been destroyed by the communities themselves. but the, the impact of the schools is widely known as talked about. and i report and, and generally what we said was that, so children who were taken away from their families forcibly were separated from their families separate from their communities and their traditions, their elders, their support, people within the community. but they were also separated from their culture, from their language and they were abusing the schools if they continued to try to function in a way to maintain their language, maintain their culture. they were also taught and brainwashed into believing that they came from an adequate group of people that are people were in fact socially,
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mentally. and in terms of civilization inferior people to the way your settlers who come here after colonial period start. and the history, of course, was only taught from a connie perspective. so what we said was public schools picked up on that message and the kids in public schools, the same thing. and we have had a public school system in canada, is founded on what supremacy for generations. and that's why there's such a schism between the leadership in this country, usually $90.00, men and the indigenous community. one of the most troubling realities for indigenous children is the foster care system. there are more than $40000.00 indigenous kids in that system. and for context, they make of 8 percent of the total population, more than half of the foster care system. do you see the crisis of child welfare as
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an extension of the residential school problem? we said was that in reality, the residential schools themselves were child welfare system and the welfare system . we see today's just a newer version of the residential school system. the intent beings take children away from their families and to put them to situation with a system believes that they will become better citizens become more civilized, will be better taken care of than indigenous people can do. and even when the system has to acknowledge that they themselves have failed the children in their care, they still are authorized by the court to continue to take children and huge numbers said done training session, but judges. and i said, where in the world would we ever have a justice system that continually gave children or to people who had failed the children that we are already given over to them before. and yet we're doing it
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without hesitation without question when it comes to child welfare, but we would never do it the private guardian. so we're trying to take children into their homes. the catholic church ran upwards of 70 percent of the residential schools in september, the canadian conference of catholic bishops issued in official apology. but now there's pressure mounting for the pope himself to apologize. this month, the delegation of indigenous leaders will meet the pope at the batt again to press for an apology. it's certainly a symbolic gesture, but why is it so significant to get that apology? well, when we should the truth and reconciliation commission report was one of our calls to action to call upon the pope tuition and apology. when you go through a situation as a candidate has gone through with regard to its treatment of indigenous people, there has to be a level of awareness. there has to be a tournament and there has to be apology. and so what we said is,
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the catholic church is serious about showing it's atonement for what it's done in the past. it has to apologize and it has to show what kind of action is going to take. and we haven't seen the apology. the apology from the said have been made in the past that have not been officially made on behalf of the church you served as the chair of canada's truth and reconciliation committee. and in 2015, your team laid out 94 calls to action, which were designed to sort of help begin to repair some of the damage that had been done by the residential schools. ah, prime minister trudeau promised to fulfill all of them. so far, only 14 have been fulfilled. 20 have yet to start. what does that mean wise justice taking so long? when i say no said to the prime minister to other government officials,
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the problem is happening within government is that they don't have a plan. they don't think through what it is they're committing to that what it is their colleges or what it is that they need to do. and their plan is missing because there was a feeling at the beginning of the truth reconciliation process on the part of government. and i think the public generally was that if we throw enough money at this wills go worse, settled them down, that will be able to get them to be quiet. and so there's a been a lack of planning that said circle murray sinclair, thank you so much for joining on up front. thank you for having a good conversation. thank you. i in 201732 year old olivia loan bear in indigenous mother are far from north dakota, went missing her family search for her for months and pushed law enforcement to
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take the case more seriously. 9 months later, a volunteer community member found her body in a pickup truck submerged in a lake within a mile of her home. this is just one case out of thousands of native american women who go missing in or later found dead. in the united states, indigenous women and girls are disappearing and being murdered at alarming rates compared to other women and what's often called an epidemic of violence. joining us to discuss this are mary catherine nagel, a citizen of cherokee nation and lawyer focused on tribal sovereignty and safety for native women and children. carry coffer member of the clinic, tribe of south east alaska, and national indigenous women's resource center, senior native affairs advisor. thank you both for joining me on up front. mary katherine, in recent years, thousands of native american women have been reported missing law enforcement is often slow to react, and families are often left waiting month for answers. and they're often dismissed and told they're going missing isn't a crime. what's at the root of this crisis? you know, such an important question and i think we have to understand that this crisis is
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both cultural and legal in nature. i say cultural because violence against native women is the practice that began with the colonial conquest of the united states. i mean, all you have to do is read christopher columbus, his journals to understand that this is a man who literally bragged about raping and murdering indigenous women when he got lost and washed up on the shoreline over here. so you've got that. you've got the history of the u. s. military using rape and homicide against native women as a military tactic to conquer tribal nations. we don't talk about that history is on a mystery as to why there's a high rate of violence against our native women today. at the same time, we have a legal framework that allows that violence to continue in $978.00. the united states supreme court in all a font versus squamish indian tribe, eliminated tribal criminal jurisdiction over non indians who come on to tribal lands and commit crimes. so today, non indians can walk on to a reservation or on to indian lands and murder, a native women with no consequences. and they do,
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the supreme court has taken that jurisdiction away well, and i want to unpack the legal part of that in just a sec. i'm still trying to wrap my mind around this idea that when a crime is committed or when someone is just reported missing, carry that the response is indifference or, you know, it's not a crime to go missing to get dismissed. i mean, why is that? i think in part native women are really under represented in data. and so we know that the statistics of missing or murdered indigenous women are extremely high. but we know that the doc that's actually, they're actually likely a lot higher. and so all of these historical factors, in addition to these jurisdictional barriers and the failure of federal, the federal government to adequately fun justice and victims over systems in indian country, has led to predators. knowing that they can target needed women without repercussions . and no one's really going to care because the mainstream media doesn't really cover it very well. often. kevin, i mean, you're one of the people who said that we have a culture that promotes and celebrates violence against native women. the data
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seems to bear that out. native american women are 2 and a half more likely to be raped compared to all other races. and in some reservations, murder rates of native american women are up to 10 times higher than the national average for all races. can you speak to this dynamic? yeah, in terms of culture, up until this last summer, native women's bodies were still used to sell butter and other commercial products that is starting to change, you know, land o'lakes. this changed their label. but many americans still think that it's completely appropriate to dress up as polk a hottie for halloween, pocahontas was a child victim of rape kid not being in homicide. she was an indigenous girl, a little girl who lost her life to violence, to sexual violence. and she's not a halloween costume, but so long as are real women who are murdered and raped are just treated as halloween costumes. it creates a culture that just honestly accepts this violence so that when
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a native woman is raped or goes missing or is murdered, i think because we have been dehumanized and over sexualized it's, it's harder for americans at large to, to have that kind of emotional response of we need to find her, her life matters when, when the native woman goes missing, carry this pop culture piece is interesting to me. how much of it is the kind of indifference to the lives in the well being of native women and how much of it is an ignorance of history? i think it's a combination of all of it. i think it's a lack of understanding about our history. i think most of the time in history class natives make up like the 1st chapter, despite the fact that we've been here for all of american history and centuries, thousands of years prior to that. and then i think there is also willful ignorance . i think it feels these issues often feel very far away to other need other non need of people who don't live on or near tribal lands. and so they can sort of
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ignore all of these issues that need of women face and they never really have to deal with it or think about it. and frankly, they don't want to carry it. let me ask you another question because we started to talk about this idea of non native perpetrators of violence. 96 percent of the time violence against indigenous women is from a non native perpetrator. tribal courts, or tribal police, for the most part, don't have the ability to prosecute crimes on reservations from non native perpetrators or even arrest them without back up from non native law enforcement. it's hard for many people myself included to understand how this is legal. yeah, i think it's, it's hard for native to figure out how it's legal as well as married. catherine said after the supreme court's decision in elephant in 1970 tribal justice systems could no longer hold accountable criminally abusive non natives who were continuing to harm their need of partners. resulting in situations where non need of
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defendants piled up repeated in multiple prior contacts with tribal police. so essentially, tribal police and courts were unable to do very much to stop non need of perpetrators. and then federal and state courts also just failed to protect need of victims. and that's where we are today and issues we're facing today and, and how all of this mass has been created very carefully. that's the best part of it, that the crisis here, right? i mean, on the one hand, you don't have jurisdiction in this area, then you have the state and the federal police in bodies that can intervene. but don't absolutely. in most cases on tribal lands, if a native woman is murdered, the federal government does have jurisdiction. so we're looking at the federal government and saying, why aren't you doing your job? you know, you took the jurisdiction away from us. so do something step in. you know, we have, we have native women like olivia alone. there is a great example because her brother, for 9 months begged the f. b. i to search for her sister begged. i mean, you know, he wasn't, he was on national tv. he was sending letters,
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he was making phone calls and they did nothing. and they had jurisdiction, mary catherine, you said placing paternalistic restrictions on tribal courts and the name of due process is nothing more than a disguise for prejudice. what do you mean by that, sir? cuz i think, you know, you're right. a lot of folks will throw out this idea of, well, non indian defendants. their due process rights are not protected in travel court. the problem with this straw man argument is that the folks who say that actually can't point to a single piece of evidence, shred of evidence, where a non indians rights have been violated. and that's the irony of these arguments. i'm not saying tribal courts are perfect if you look at state and federal courts, they're not perfect. and that's why i think it's based on prejudice. because, you know, i, for instance, in all a font, when the supreme court in 1978 took away tribal criminal jurisdiction over non indians. one of the things that chief rehnquist at the time said is, you know, we just, there's just no way to think that a non indians going to get a fair shake in travel court. well, wait a 2nd because that non indian is not
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a citizen of that tribe that none in indian can't vote in that tribes elections. well, i'm not a citizen of the state of kansas, but if i walk into kansas and start murdering people, i don't get to have a constitutional right to avoid a criminal prosecution because of due process. i'm sorry, that's not how i became a table for kids. i don't care for kansas governor or pick who's on their supreme court. and one thing really quick about due process. there are due process protections in the violence against women act, you know, right to counsel, right? to notice right to file a habeas and federal court, basically all the protections you would have in state court or federal court and still the conversation there are still people out there saying, well, we just don't think that due process rights are protected and travel court even though it's, it's in the law and no one can point to a shred of evidence that it hasn't been provided. and so i really do think we're talking about prejudice. let's say it was topic of the violence against women act that the renewal passed in the house of representatives in 2019 carry,
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but it's languishing in the senate if passed. it would expand tribal jurisdiction to include other offences like sexual assault, stalking, trafficking, and child abuse. oh, what kind of difference would that make again on the ground, on a day to day level? yeah, i mean, it would make a huge difference. what we've heard from tribal leaders, judges, advocates since 2013 since certain tribes started exercising special jurisdiction under about 2013 is di, although it's been really successful in protecting tribal communities, from perpetrators who commit dating my violence or domestic violence. the narrowness of jurisdiction under volatility. $32013.00 is a continual source of frustration. and that's because it creates those loopholes for offenders. it leaves victims unprotected and it limits how effectively tribes can prosecute domestic violence, offenders for crimes that co occur with domestic violence. so enhancing you know, these provisions and expanding our tribal jurisdiction will help to better protect
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tribal communities surrounding communities. and ultimately hopefully we would see a decline in the rates of abuse of native women. we know that there is a long history of instances, no racism against indigenous people in this country. the question that i want to get an answer from for you to a is sort of how we go about reversing that history. as a practical matter, what can we do and how do you specifically go about doing that work? upstart with you may gather, is the huge question. you know, and i think that there's invisibility, right? most people, if they know of a native woman, they know of halloween costume, and that's it. we're starting to change that. you know, we've got our 1st native woman, a member of the cabinet, the secretary of interior deb holland, right? we've got native women in congress. we have a lot of work to do in the curriculum in the united states, you know, most law schools don't teach all a font. right? so most law students who go to law schools don't study the supreme court decision.
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that is the reason why our native women faced the highest rates of domestic violence, sexual thought, and homicide in the united states of america has talked a lot about the kind of educational piece in the bit of the cultural piece crew. what else can be done to undo this violence, this legacy of violence against business people? well, 1st we need to adequately find and provide resources to tribes. tribes are consistently set up to fail by this chronic under funding. so we need to ensure that tribes not only have the authority, which is what we talked about, a little bit with vala. but also the resource is to hold offenders accountable, to provide culturally centered services to their community. to prove data collections that we really know the extent of the problem and can help identify more victims across jurisdictional lines. and so the sooner we give native people and that's especially native victims and families of victims, a seat at the table in decision making, an ensure that they're part of these larger conversations the sooner we can come up with solutions that are actually tailored specifically to the needs of native
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