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to resolve these problems, the solution, the u. s. government has left undone for decades, even as biden calls for comprehensive immigration reform. after his 1st on the ground, look at the migrant crisis. the president left to meet with the canadian prime minister and the mexican president in mexico city, where he hopes to find progress on the border crisis. the us hasn't found in washington, john henderson, al jazeera el paso texas. returning to northern california, now we are hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses have been without power. as severe storms continue to better, the state forecasters say more heavy rain and snow is expected in the region. on monday and tuesday, at least 6 people, including a toddler, have died and weather related incidents and california and recent weeks of final preparations are underway for the u. k. is 1st, if a rocket launch is being carried by a re purpose. boeing 747, that is scheduled to take off from cornwall on monday. on the plane is over the
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atlantic ocean. the rocket will be launched. it's carrying 9 small satellites into orbit, which will be used by both the military and civilians. ah, this is al jazeera and these are the top stories secure. he forces in brazil have regained control of government buildings attacked by supporters of former president jaya. both scenario, thousands of them overran the congress, the supreme court and the presidential palace and the capitol. priscilla, president, st. louis and osceola da silva, has promised a thorough investigation and punishment for those responsible. the violence comes just a week after he took office following his narrow election victory in october. so the sabby it the way the schools. everybody knows that this was encouraged by several speeches made by the former president. he encouraged the invasion of the supreme court of the presidential palace. he encouraged the invasion of the 3
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governmental powers whenever he could. this is also his responsibility. and as the responsibility of the parties that supported him, all this will be investigated forcefully and very quickly. and large numbers of security forces are assembling around campus, both scenarios, supporters outside the military headquarters in priscilla. the campers have been given until 15 g m t to disperse. pakistan is asking for billions of dollars an international aid to recover from last year's devastating floods which affected more than $30000000.00 people. it's holding a major conference along with the united nations and geneva to really support the you in says it was pakistan's worst disaster and decades. ukraine has dismissed russian claims that had killed hundreds of soldiers and a missile attack on chromos tossed. moscow said it was in relation to retaliation for ukrainian attack on a base that killed dozens of russian soldiers on new year's day. and armed groups
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and nigeria, southern ido, states have abducted more than 30 people at a railway station. police say some of the victims were shot dead. well, joe biden has arrived in mexico on his 1st visit to the region as president. he'll meet the mexican leader with migration likely to be high on the agenda. early abide and visited the southern us border in the, in the state of texas. the 1st 2 years of his administration have seen a dramatic increase in the number of asylum seekers entering the us. the news continues here on al jazeera, after inside story. ah, republican kevin mccarthy,
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one the role of speaker of the house of representatives in the us. what with serious divisions within the republican party, it was no is a win. so how would it manage the house over the next 2 years? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i am ashan bella for the 1st time in. busy more than a 100 years, the united states was unable to elect a speaker of the house. in the 1st round, kevin mccarthy had to make several concessions to win over hard line republicans who voted against him in 15 brown's. it's a big deal in the us because the house was unable to move on to any other business, including swearing a members until the speaker was elected. the house is the lower chamber of the
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congress and one of its important roles is to keep the president in check. alan fisher reports after an historic queen and to leaking into the after a night of drama and contemplation. it was 15 time. lucky for kevin mccarthy, the california republican finally flipped enough foods to secure the position, a speaker of the us house of representatives, a speaker the house. my ultimate responsibility is not to my party. my conference, or even our congress. my responsibility, our responsibility is to our country. he told everyone he had the votes to win on the 14th when he didn't. 2 votes of president gates gates essentially blocked his way to the chair as he fell short of the number of
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votes required by one. it led to incredible scenes on the house floor with the 2 being confronted by colleagues, what would exchanged fingers pointed and physical confrontation apparently avoided? as one congressman had to be held back by colleagues. the conversations continued and suddenly to adjourn to monday was rejected. mccarthy wanted to go again. the theme summed up by one democrat if he offered his parties, no money for the poor. madam clerk, i rise to say, wow. and then it was done. mccarthy finally became speaker of the $118.00 congress. kevin mccarthy moved into this because office earlier this week, but several times in the chamber. it looked parameter. a group of ultra conservatives blocked his elevation. but slowly, he groaned them don't offering a raft to concessions, including a change of rules and who could challenge the speaker and the promise of seats on influential committees. democrats congratulating mccarthy on his when the warranty
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pieces, problems to control his own party. when republican said the issues of the last few days will have no impact on his parties, long term prospect. the 2024 presidential election sleeping ever closer. i think it's been hard on the party and a little bit frustrating, but i don't think it's left a scar. i don't think it's anything permanent, as i've said a number of times as well. 6 months from now. no one will be thinking about this. and that could be an issue for kevin mccarthy. he has an extensive agenda. he wants to push through congress. but to do that, he needs the united party and it has been anything but in the last few days and hours. i was fisher, i'll just eat up on capitol hill in washington. the lettering in august in reston, virginia is rena shock. conservative political advisor and founder of relock strategies. rena was a former senior adviser to republican members of congress in baltimore,
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maryland is jason nichols progressive political analyst and senior lecturer at university of maryland college park in colchester. in the united kingdom, is that thus allister, u. s. political analyst and deputy dean of education, a university of essex. welcome to the program, rena. the speaker surprises noise over the arm twistin came to an end. how would you characterize the whole episode? the entire episode was a total of bears. net for the republican party. and anyone with eyes can see that wendy stumbled right out of the gate. that's a foreshadowing for what's to come this chaos. this disagreement at this is just a real tale of how much inviting there is in today's republican party. and it's not going to stop any time sir. jason, for days of the fees. 14 failed attempts for kevin mccarthy. backroom deal is managed to salvage what he had to achieve. finally,
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but is this something there would hold him for the remainder of his tenure as a speaker? absolutely, i. i mean he's almost speaker name only. he has much less power than other speakers . he had to make major concessions. and the interesting thing is that there's really very little ideological room between him and some of the hard liners that were upset with him. but it's going to make his job very difficult moving forward or raising the debt ceiling. are funding the government, things that we expect the speaker to be able to do with his majority. he's going to have a very difficult time corralling some of those hard line right wing of people that he has. it is caucus and he has much less our because of the rules concessions that he may. natasha historically when you cut a deal and it's no stay behind closed doors. this time,
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the fact that cameras were catching every single aspect of this whole sag out of 5 foot speakership a. we into an uncharted territory on a new political landscaping, the less and that's, that's a good question. i mean, we definitely have never seen anything like this. that was such a spectacle. and of course, viewers were glued to, to their, their screens about that. we never seen lawmakers almost like a fist fight, almost broke out where people were having to be held back. and some of this is because kevin mccarthy decided to put this to a vote before he knew that he had to vote normally. you don't do this, but he was so obsessed with becoming the next speaker, and willing to give up pretty much everything to do so that he went through these, you know, 1415 humiliating rounds of, of not getting to it. and i think this is a little bit the effect of trump ism and how it's infected,
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the party that you don't have policies that people care about as much any more. it's more about your own persona, creating your own brand, attracting more media attention, and because of that, there wasn't much party discipline. and we see that then things kind of played out in a very personal istic way, amateurish way on the floor as it did. rina, is this an indication that the republican party is never going to be the same again? because when you look at the optics of this whole fight for the speakership, you can see kevin mccarty walking his own way, trying to convince 2 or 3 members of it. all tra conservative blank of the republican party just for the sake of securing the position. when are we going now with the republican party? well, did i now make here that a play now that this past week is over and we do have a speaker. it's quite complex and it can't be distilled down to one or 2. things
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are certainly the impact of for her present shrubs and the fact that he's also announced 2024 bit already. that plays a real major role here. but what we saw also this week is that his endorsement of mccarthy really didn't mean much of particularly to those 6 final holdouts who were ended up voting presently to give mccarthy the speakership. it's important to note that these people say they want to drain the swamp. they want to break the establishment and they consider mccarthy and mcconnell, even in the senate. i had to be part of washington's old school. and what they really done by taking them in your trunk is given a drawback to his 2016 1st bid for the white house and said that you don't have to be an establishment bigger in order to when we can appease the american people, are republican base by breaking these people that have been in washington for so long. but the, the great irony here is that their demands were so washingtonian in nature. they wanted committee assignments. they wanted the ability to change the process of the rules and have not just an outside influence, but
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a really lasting impact on how the g o. p conducts itself in the legislative chambers from the ants forward. we've never seen anything like that modern history . we've seen this typically happen in the republican national committee, the party structure never within the halls a congress has it. has the tension come to the surface in this way? and that means extremely difficult for mccarthy to remain speaker the next 2 years, j solicit less trying to break down exactly what happened between kevin mccarthy and the dissidence. so he has given them consensus particular when it comes to the spending bills of the funding of the government and the financing of the federal departments. now, is this an indication that we are not likely to see any bipartisan deal in the near future if southerly the speaker himself is beholden to a bunch of ultraconservative people who are determined just to do anything that goes against the very spirit or the what the democrats them for you know,
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house and i hold out hope that there will be some moderates who will or cross that line and want to work with democrats in order to get things done for the american people that want to actually see things other than, you know, these kind of spasms that the are that the far right are having that they want to just investigate hunter by and, and, and look at his laptop and talk about the origins of covey, which will probably never know because we don't have the cooperation of the chinese all of these kinds of things are kind of the red meat things that the right wants to do. but i think that there are some moderate republicans who actually want to get work done. who actually want to legislate, who actually want to actually deliver for their constituents and deliver for the american people. and i think that there, if we can get, of course, you know, because of the historic underperformance of republicans in the mid terms. we
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only need a few of them to cross the line to actually be willing to vote with ah, democrats, in order to get legislation through to the senate. where, of course, the democrats have a slim majority and get a to potentially get a to a president biden's death. and even mitch mcconnell, when we're talking about the border, mitch mcconnell in the senate has said that he wants to work with president biden. and with the white house, so i have a little bit of hope that we're not being held hostage by mat gates, an alarm bober that there are people in this chamber on the right that actually want to do the right thing. natasha. this has been the most contentious ballot for the speaker since if for the civil war and what we've seen. is it just quite interesting how personal agendas will prevailing over the very agendas of the
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country itself a way likely to see at a see change as far as the political landscaping, the you as his consent? well, i mean that's been one of my biggest concerns that you know us, democracy is faltering our institutions are, are, have been weekend. and a, we see that personal ism has been one of the more salient residues of the trump era. see the political parties, we know political parties are so important for democracies to function and they have to have some level of party discipline. we see what was on display, which is all about these personalities. and they weren't really thinking about governing and acts of service and the representative. they were just thinking about themselves. they seemed to have this unrelenting quest for their own fame and, and power and attention. and they were laughing up all the media attention that they were getting. and you know,
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the difference is the actual ideological differences between back gates and kevin mccarthy. don't seem to be that obvious. so what on earth where they fighting for? why were they going putting us through this huge charade? and i think one of the issues that i'm really concerned about is that we're, we're seeing party discipline and party institutionalization, particularly on the republican science just falling apart. and we need to functioning parties to, to have a functioning democracy. so i'm a little bit more pessimistic about what's going to happen here. but i'm hoping that the republican party gets together and goes back to the core values that they once had. and then we have a more of a normal 2 party system. reno, we know how squat significant is a rollover. speak of congress now when, when it comes to kevin mccarthy are expecting a change in terms of slope and substance, particularly as you know, both republicans under the democrats have been saying it's about time to
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decentralize the office itself. who i think are those shared attitudes about really decentralizing that power of the speaker speaks to a number of issues we've seen in the modern era that even go back to newt gingrich . the republican who so famously still gives his opinion these days on tromp and, and what the g o p should do. i think you don't look there's, there's a real, it's a distinction here between gates and mccarthy in this way. and people think that they are so ideologically centered, but some of the floors features i heard this past year actually this past week actually told me otherwise. and i found myself agreeing with some of what gates was saying. he is not too far off from being a millennial as well, like i am. and millennials are people born after 1981. as i talked to millennial republicans over the years, i found that their attitudes have changed about certain matters that typically been thought to be a values held by the left. things like the influence of big money in a political campaigns or unit to supreme court decision. citizens united. and of
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course, we're seeing even suburban republican young mothers change their attitudes about abortion and reproductive access that was a banner year in that way. this past year. what i heard from gauge this past week was talking special interests. and he feels that mccarthy and his ill are going to continue to cater to the special interests in washington. and that was a great corporation. and they're not thinking of the sort of younger and excuse me, of the royal blue collar people that actually did. but for trump, in many ways, the republican party has a number of problems, are losing younger voters. they're losing educated, younger women, mothers, and even new american demographics, such as immigrants from our southern borders, or even from the middle east in asia. and that is a problem as well. but at the same time, they've got to put forward a policy agenda that speaks to these people looking at center on economy, immigration, and energy. i think that will serve them well. and that will show why this fighting
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was so tense if they're able to legislate in those 3 key areas. jason, how much more difficult was it mc biden's job working with the republicans with esla majority i really don't think it makes it any more difficult. i slightly disagree with the with arena that there's a big gap between mccarthy and and gates gates whose fathers were $500000000.00. they. they like special interest to they like big donors to i do think that there is that, ah, there is a little bit of a, a change in the republican party, but a lot of those changes aren't necessarily positive. and i don't think that this is necessarily going to get them more attention from those newer demographics that rina reference. i don't think that, you know, shutting the government down or,
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or refusing to fund the government or are, you know, these endless investigations that don't really lead anywhere are, are gonna actually help them too. oh, wide in their base. and i agree that a lot of the, of the rural voters and, and of some of these disaffected groups have been jeremy gripes. but we saw none of that being addressed by trump. so more by the trump administration. and so going that heart hard right of way hasn't really worked for anyone. i think that this is dis, just put everything in disarray kept us without a government for several days. and it wasn't a positive thing. republicans, or for the united states of america. natasha. every one, now we're been none, but for quite some time the photo of missouri, taylor green with her phone displaying the initials of donald trump. d t. now,
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do you think that the, his shadow is quite that doing the whole procedure? do you think that this is someone who will definitely shape the future that believe republican party and the future of the political landscape in the us? i think he is still playing a huge role in the republican party, whether some of the leader in the republican party want to admit it or not. it's true that he wasn't really able to convince those 6 hold out to change their mind and that he was blamed across the media for the poor showing of the republicans in the 20 to mid terms. but he still has a hold over the republican party to some extent, and they are going to really need to completely push out. trump ism, if they want to get back to winning elections because they, they can't with him still a big part of this party. they haven't really addressed january 6 and all of
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the activities that he's been involved in that have gotten in trouble with the law from all the different types of fraud and so on. they have decided to make a deal with the devil, so to speak, because they think that's going to bring out votes for him. i and they really lost their soul and doing so, and he still there. and i think that's something that the lease are going to have to really address if they have one have any chance in new york. well, in the, in collections i have few other angles. i would like to cover with you right now. now, when it comes to economy, border security, which our top on the agenda of the republic is particularly the ultra conservatives . how do you see them unfolding in the upcoming weeks and months? well, i must say, you know, i, i do think there's a tremendous opportunity for moderate republicans to really is to put their foot down and say, we want to legislate, we, you know,
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we don't want to continue to do all these political, which hans through a congress them, they say, democrats did it in the last congress that they forget that democrats are hugely successful in passing so much landmark legislation. again, i think it will be up to modern republicans that are, that have weighed in number, to be honest. i mean, let's just be frank about the numbers here prior to the midterms would now be because of the midterm result, they are in bolted and they can grab the mantle and say, let's come up with a sensible solution to our broken immigration system. one thing that has rarely talked about is a number of visa overstaying, is here in the united states. that is a huge contributor. it's not the people at the southern border as much as the people who are over staying movies, us. nobody ever talks about that. responsible america, people talk about a physical wall that trump never built. i would love to hear more cybersecurity, technological innovations that would help us do better in that manner. and i think republicans can do this, but again, they can get, they'll get in the way themselves. okay. past week didn't give you not much hope jason, when you look at the wavy colace it will operate in the future. now the republicans
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have control over the congress, the dumb across to control the senate, and the a white house could, could this be on its own, conducive to one final outcome? witches wise people from the democrats, from the republicans will have to come get together for them to move forward. what i think that's, that's going to be key for the, for the future of countries. people coming together and, and certainly for us to as, as a, your previous guess as rena just stated. like getting republicans to actually want to legislate to actually want to solve problems to actually come over and talk about things like immigration. we saw the president has already laid out a plan from an executive perspective, what we need comprehensive immigration reform. and that's something that only congress can do. and this is
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a problem that's been around for 3 decades. these. these are things that republicans can actually make happen. it's actually the ball was in their court and i think the american people are starting to get wise to the idea that this is up to republicans to either they can either obstruct or they can legislate. and i think the american people want, or just lation, i think that there are some republicans, i still hold out hope that actually want to solve problems that actually wanted to go. she with president biden and send things up to the senate will tend to get things done. natasha, one of the key concessions given by mccarthy to the dissidence was allowing a single maker to force a vote that would asked the speaker, which means that he will. and that being very vulnerable to the ultra conservatives could how can the congress then get over this count x thought?
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i mean, that's one of the things i am actually very worried about. if you have one person that can file a motion to vacate the speaker, and we saw what damage 6 people could do. what's to say that this is not going to happen within the next 2 years, particularly because it seems like there's some sort of personal vendetta against mccarthy. if he does something that they don't like, they can do decide to get rid of them. and that was one of the things that they were trying to champion. they were trying to basically de institutionalize and weaken our legislature, which of course is bad for democracy for their own gain. it wasn't really clear what we were dating by changing these rules, other than to, to elevate their, their own status. well, the see how he goes and let's see what happens in 2 years from now or in a shot. jason nichols. natasha list of the really appreciate your insight. thank you and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website and a 0 dot com for further discussion,
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