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he, i am, we does the headquarters of the buddhist income. we spoke with a pointy boys, the supreme leader of order in the hall was who said they want to reach out to as many people as they can, is at all that is to please our human beings, as well as to prepare people for the years. now, in terms of adherents set up, millions of what was yeah, in the new republic and millions more across the water pressure in the category of what we've seen in the past few days, putting hundreds of visitors, especially from caribou, bruce and other followers who came here to be part of this particular event. now what we're looking for, what, what they are looking for is of course i richard nation of their. 5 a religion of that culture they said, for do in the new republic is the most purest form of food, anywhere else in the world. that's why they come in, you. ah,
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it is good savvy with a slow adrian. something in here though, how the headlights largest era fighting in ukraine's don bass region is intensified . the british defense ministry says that it appears russia has taken control of much of the salt mining town of solider. ukraine's military has been fending off attacks near the town for 4 days. now. charles stratford reports from keith present zalinski last night acknowledging that the battle for sali dar was indeed intensifying he saying that the ukrainians had in his words one time in order to get more men and supplies inside that town. now solid r is around 20 kilometers northeast of the town of buck. mood, of course, park mood, st. some of the most intensive fighting over recent weeks and months. a town that is often nicknamed a meat grinder because of the sheer amount of men that have been killed in it. on both sides. moscow is reported to have appointed colonel general alexander lapin as
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new chief of staff of the ground forces. he was the commander of russia central military districts and was criticized last october by allies of president vladimir putin. after russian forces were driven out of the ukrainian city of leman. china has suspended short term visas for south korean and japanese citizens. it's in reaction to that covey 19 cubs imposed on chinese travelers. brazil's president luis, ignacio lula da silva, has criticized the army for not doing enough to stop supporters of jaya balsa narrow, storming the nation seats of power. lula made the the statement during a meeting with the governors where he found to punish those behind sundays attack. at least 17 people have been killed in southern peru during anti government protests demanding the release of the former president federal castillo. bruce human rights agency has called for an investigation. families of those killed in bay roots 2020 port explosion are demanding justice. they've gathered outside the
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justice palace and the lebanese capital. the last killed, more than 200 people and left hundreds of thousands homeless and police and germany, a removing climate activists who gathered their an open cut mine in the western village of loot. so that the village is due to be demolished in order to expand a coal mine. and those the headlines. one is fear now to sierra after inside story, which is coming up next. aah. the attack or brazil congress by supporters of the former president has base questions about democracy. how much mandate should governments have if they win
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power by a tiny margin? and what does it mean for lashes and to party systems? this is the size. ah hello, welcome to the program, our hashem aha, bella brazil's newly elected president lewis in yesterday that a syllabus facing a mountain of challenges left by his predecessor, jab, olson, otto storming of government buildings in the capital on sunday has made security one of the most pressing issues, president luna has accused his generals of not doing enough to prevent the rampage of the presidential palace, congress and supreme court. the un secretary general and several world leaders have expressed support for president lola y condemning theater brazilians to have spoken
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out tens of thousands of people have held barley's, demonstrating against why they call an attack on democracy would get, i guess, in a moment. first, this report from our latin america deter, lucio newman in sal powder. the 1st public response to a very public attempt to undermine brazil's democratic institutions. many thousands of people gathered in so paolo the country's most populous city, to repudiate sunday's assault on the presidential palace supreme court, and congress buildings in the capitol, brazil. yet like almost every one here, eliana blames former president jane bull. so nato, whom she believes was the mastermind of the attack. i know he must be jailed for all the things he's done in this country. he promoted militia thieves the tax on the amazon black gays. and now beth, we won't let the specious pass. never again. earlier police detained and began
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questioning more than $1500.00 global sonata activists suspected of taking part in the assault. the camp did set up months earlier, just a kilometers from the presidential palace has been demolish. they'd echoed bull sonatas, unfounded claims that a literal fraud stole his re election last year for, for the all, but as a whole, the justice minister says the culprits were hoping to inspire a nation wide revolt, but failed in their attempt to overthrow president lula. the silver had been sworn in just a week earlier. mostly them all to copy thought was a little, we witnessed a brazilian version of the u. s. capital building attack, but with 2 differences. first, no one tied. and secondly, we have more people under arrest here than in the u. s. and very quickly, the investigation into financed and lead. the rage is just beginning. i bought a shower rod yesterday. we believe many big business interests paid for the buses
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to bring those coo mongers to priscilla and set up camps. those businessman needs investigated and punished oh demonstrate was here also wanted to show that the president is not alone. they are swinging the game of name rob william prison, and they're also saying that they will not tolerate a web already been written. they are calling terrorist authors, but the minister says that for example, there's no possibility of extra dining. the former president was not from the united states where he is right now because he hasn't been charged with anything, at least not yet. whether the newly installed president of latin america's largest democracy will be strengthened or weakened by the m. s. vented attack is still far from clear lucy and human al jazeera. so paolo, brazil is not the only country that sinner wise in far white,
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in spite attacks or plots against it's a democratic institutions. one of the most prominent was in the united states on january the 6th 2021. more than 2000 supporters, a full president, donald trump, forced their way into the capital building, saying that the 2020 election was stolen in germany last month. authorities, said the destructor, a plot to overthrow the government, dozens of members of a fall by its group were arrested in coordinated police rates and in spain. the far right vaux party has become the 3rd largest political force in parliament, challenging the traditional to a party system. ah! for more on this, i'm joined by our gas here in the studio or hammer sell car. we offer a professor of conflict resolution or george mason university in style. paolo,
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jeremy casado is professor of political science at phone the so utility of august university and head of the far right observatory in brazil in london were joined by in the zip palmer, professor of international politics at city university london. welcome. he's also the author of foundations or the american center. welcome to the program. g army. this is one of the biggest attacks on government building since the fall of the country's military dictatorship in 1985. how significant the stuff that we have seen on tv about those people forming government buildings. well, thank you for having the i'd say that business, they're actually the 1st big attack on brazilian physical institutions sold the buildings of the supreme court. congress and the presidential palace as well. well, i think it's the combination of 22 forces that both sonata has helped grow in
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brazil. the 1st one is very strong for right movement represented by boss and out of his supporters and the movement that has become more and more radicalized with time. bull sonata has transformed brazil into a laboratory for extremist ideas and tactics over the last 4 years. so most of what we saw on sunday is an emulation of things that have happened in the united states, for example, and in other parts of the world. things too far, right at the ologies. but we also have a very brazilian element to that, which is brazil's militaristic past. we see a lot of elderly in brazil, i mean, elderly writers who believe that the best times of their lives was under military rule, back in banking, sixties, and seventies. and even though this is very misleading, because of course, dictatorships are intrinsically problematic, they seem to want
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a government ruled by the military with both sonata as the, the chief leader as the, as the supreme leader of the country. so i think it's a problem because even though it was not a qu properly, it's signals to a very strong anti democratic leaning on the part of several bull sonata supporters of hundreds or even thousands. okay. who warmth the, the buildings on sunday. well, how much waste of late for the attack with food ok, the 3 cases brazil, germany and 2 years ago was the united states. i think one of the deep rooted causes is the fear among these right wing that they are losing social status. when the wafts, for example, in the united states law wait for the return or at least from could have stayed on the for years because he was their political savior. he is the one who is boosting
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. they are more on. and if we look at the other side to the coin, i a see that white folks, the wasps are fear in the triumph of these minorities. they are against multiculturalism. they're against social diversity, ethnic diversity. so i look at the white ray wing as a collective action movement that these positioning itself beyond the limits or beyond the boundaries of democracy. in other words, if with all slave what happened in brazil, the 2 days ago is a contestation of the ballots. the role of the game, and therefore it's more of a reactionary attitude of these right wing as, than any visionary or any rational sense of politics. okay. and as it many would say that if there's any one to blame, it's definitely going to be jab bull sonata for the simple reason of this is
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someone who spread false accusations about brazil's electronic system saying that this is vanessa. walter fought, he didn't unequivocally acknowledge his defeat. he left the county on inauguration day. so this is the man who should be held accountable. do you agree with this? of course, i think the way you framed it. of course, jabber boston are, plays a major role in organizing, creating the conditions for and encouraging an orchestrating it by not accepting the election outcome. but i think, and many forces are in the united states, have done the same kind of thing around donald trump in 2021. but i think would be a mistake to focus it only on one individual. he's got a political party. there are people in the opposing political party or some support for him. he's very close to the power military and military police says on the, on the military itself. and as your last, because the business big corporations. i've been funding the fermentation for
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renting the rebellions by the plastic bar right movement as well. so it's much more deeply systemic with in brazil, within the united states, germany and other countries as well. and i think would be a mistake to focus on the on politic individual. okay, jeremy bo luna, the syllabus said that this is going to be his task unifying, a divided nation. how can he achieve that when the country is more divided than ever? well, i think it's a challenge that's not only going to last 4 years or 8 years. it's a task for a generation to accomplish. and it's going to be very hard for lula to, to pacify the country in the context of very deep divisions along different lines. i think that in the case of brazil, in particular, race doesn't play as much as strong role as religion, for example, or,
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or class. because what we saw on sunday is it was a revolution undertaken by the middle classes that have been in franchise over the last couple of decades in brazil. lula has directed most of his social policies towards the poor in brazil, so that the middle class and even jericho christians, in particular have felt out of this framework out of this social protection network in brazil. so in the way, and i agreed systemic many think that both on i spoke on behalf of those who have no voice under the workers party administration. so it's going to be very hard for la to reach out to these people. of course, there are some moderate boston voters that can be either co opted. we're convinced that lula might be a good option, but especially the most radical fringe of the bull sonata moves, manse. ah, that's going to be a challenge for lol. and for an entire generation of politicians to bring back into
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the political system mohammed since the very moment of the, or the process of sort of storming the government buildings in, in, in brazil, people started to draw parallels between what happened, what is happening there and what happened back in the 2021 in the united states of america. was donald trump, a factor in this particular appeal locally. what we're witness in now is global trump ism where riot when good is now attacking all legitimate institutions. and by the way, it should not be a surprise. for the past 30 years, we've had this the involvement of the radical social identity and their bush one. we had the conservatives then they became the neoconservative, then the tea party for orders. then we get to trump, where we see the most try. they could face. all right,
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when goes in the night says so since from manish to enter the white house he gave rate one gives all over the would the hope that yes. right wing politics, madam and we should take action. and i think now when the are not happy with the outcome of the ballots, when you do, they are trying to destabilize this, that the country and brazil is not going to be the last case study. so we are looking at and they lamar of social identities that are no longer living under the same umbrella. it doesn't mother with your american or not, but what sub identity you are wearing or you are carrying with this is i think i need, we need the, i don't it, these theory as a key to understand what's going on in does it is this is a an ever changing political landscape. 70 years ago, we were told that the biggest threat to democracy was nazism and nazism and fascism
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than it was communism. 30 years ago we were told that terrorism is the biggest threat to western democracy. can we say now that the biggest wet existence of threat to democracy in the west comes from within? i think the far right and extreme right wing pulses which some of which are cystic . i think they are biggest. if you'd like, threat to the kind of democratic political systems and they're getting support from a very wide range of corporate forces, paramilitaries and political parties as well. but we also took in a kind of political economy context to the growing levels of inequality, exclusion of ordinary people from politics, the economic prosperity in which people live. a lot of people on the right, especially on mobilizing, on a racial, really just ethnic or other bases and defining the people very narrowly. because
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a sort of division of people in order to mobilize themselves for power. and by doing that, the fact they're not actually resolving any of the economic issues that middle class over working, people, things that i think dividing the people out so that the big companies are big operations. and the real ruling leaps in effect, can carry on with their programs of globalization. extreme inequality 1000000000 is having large amounts of economic, financial, and political power and try to hold on to that. but the mass of ordinary people, including middle class people, are in very, very difficult conditions in europe, in the united states, in brazil, india, and many other places. and these cultural coals for identity politics and extremely narrow character around race, religion or ethnicity are actually ways of fighting people, not solving any problems, but a large number of people to be mobilized behind those goals now for many decades. and that is a massive threat, which if you like me to thought after,
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to take into account and to deal with. and i must admit that the liberal establish more liberal than not a very reliable ally in the fight against those kinds of far right or extremist forces. ok. and they very rarely bring to account the guy ringleaders of the kind of attempted insurrections and cose, jeremy, before the fun day attack jazz ball sonata was already facing for ongoing criminal probes, led by the supreme court justice alexander, do what i do see this event as a turning point that could push the government to us for what's another to be expedited to brazil. well, i think it's possible, even though the government, the incumbent government and the rule of the silver hasn't made any specific move to ask for both. so now was x prediction up until this point and i think that the government fears that if they try to bring both so now to back into brazil,
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this is going going to stir even more violence in the streets because most of also not supporters at this point, especially those who have remained boston idol hardcore burleson, out of supporters, even after the defeat or in the tobar elections. i think that these, these groups tend to be very violent and they will react very violently to any measure that the current government wants to take. so i think that in the spirit of passive find the country, what lula present little is going to do is to investigate the crew mongers of sundays attacks. they are going to find the financing networks behind. all these coup longer is and again, most of them are elderly, middle class people, sometimes very humble. people that have been brainwashed by both scenarios, narratives and does information campaign on social media. busy so i think that the
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real issue here is who's behind these movements and whether these movements they have trans national connections with countries like the united states. so of course, boston was to blame and he will be held responsible at the end of the day. but i think that it's going to take a while before the government tries to bring both sonata to trial in brazil because that's a very disruptive element of brazilian politics right now. how much when you receive the united states of america. many other countries was quite striking. is that in all these cases, you see an unprecedented level of this information to forego, use social media platforms, and sent long messages, the shape, the public opinion, and to create a delusional reality about what's happening. because this pushes people to take action. this scare me in a sense or another because with thought that technology would help us technology
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could be, it's no dangerous. it's not just technology, but it's also the magic of the narrative. so we have to narratives now that are colliding. that is the democratic narrative that we should respect all the institutions. the congress is a sacred institution for example, and then the count them out there, which is trump ism in various manifestations. so these guys still still the same, not at the forward a large number of americans, the right wing of still believe the from i may come back in 2024. so there is a golden myth growing in their heads that they can take revenge. and they can this stabilize the nation and then paved the way for the return of their political to savior. so it's still a very powerful narrative and i think january may become if we come and consider what happened in. but as it generally becomes the monk of the chosen glory for this
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re a twin movement. so it says global, and i think it's going to spread. told examples. indices we've seen that the far right is gaining momentum in europe. do you think that there would be terminated to somehow pick the same playbook like in the u. s. and brazil to advance their own political agenda or at least to enforce a political change? i think the, the extreme right. all right, and a fascist dick right? are already and very significant powerful positions within the european union and their countries, or even if they're not necessarily in power. and we saw through the pandemic, many of the right wing forces peddling their conspiracy theories about the vaccines and believing around that and actually becoming very violent as well. and so the narrative is the, the country, their country, that they're the real people. their country has been sold to the u. n. w h whoa on foreigners or terrorists or refugees and minorities. and they want their country
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back. i'm not big lie is being peddled all the way through. and so i think that they are empowered by the authorities, bro. all other are not doing enough. and my brazilian colleague says that is to provoke a tape to arrest and expedite both to narrow people in the united states. and the democratic party said similar things about donald trump. but unless those ringleaders are actually taken and put it on the book, and the people who helped organize it and how deep it goes into the systems in each country, without that, this will remain a major threat in the next decade also. okay. and the other thing of course is these are index donald issues as well because we have a warning ukraine and the threat of further war, for example, over taiwan and b, mobilize ation in that regard as well. so ok, i think there's a very dangerous time jeremy, what do you think would be the next step for president lola?
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particularly given the fact that we know now that they are accusing of a governor of brazilian for not being tough on the protest. there is a growing concerned that the security apparatus in brazil has been a while. another with ball sonata that the military establishment remains a key component in society. and the protest, as i say, would like to see of a gover the ministry overpower well they are clear signs of complicity on the part of the military and security forces, especially in the city, the capital city of brazil. you who have apparently allowed protesters to break into the public buildings of congress supreme court in the presidential palace. so one of the big challenges for lula right now, even though i think he, he leaves this this event. he leaves this whole situation a little bit stronger than he entered because his reaction was very swift as he been clare at federal intervention in brazil. ya. but i think that he will face
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challenges regarding to the specific ministries which are the ministry of defense and the ministry of justice. the minister of the fans was responsible for controlling the military, the armed forces. they have fall in under civilian control 25 years ago. it was an attempt to prevent the military from becoming political actress in brazil. we have a track record of military involvement in politics that has led us into military long standing military dictatorships in brazil. so also not having powered the military to become political lectures all over again. and lula will have to push the military back into the their headquarters. that's going to be difficult, especially because the minister of the fans is a well known both. so not a supporter who entered the cabinet of lula because of a party, accommodations, and of course lula will have to deal with the local, the state based security forces. he had
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a meeting yesterday with 27 governors. that the all the 27 governors of brazil and apparently was a very positive meeting because he had, he was able to convince these governors that they have. they are responsible for controlling the security forces. who tend to take signs with banking model, who have turned the blind eye to many things that have happened in brazil. these 2 are very important challenges for jeremy casado is mom, but somehow in that sheet, i really appreciate your insight. thank you. and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha insights article also join the conversation on twitter. i'll hand that is at a j insights. so for me and the entire team here in doha, ah
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