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a terrorism case against a well known profess egyptian origin. following an al jazeera documentary for read, hafez was charged in november of 2020 out as a reveal, the charges were fabricated. but he's in germany all removing climate activists who gathered near coal mine in the western village of lutes, at odds. thousands of planet activists have forced human chains and staged a citizen. as the headlines inside story coming up next. ah, the attack or brazil congress by supporters of the former president has base questions about democracy. how much mandate should governments have if they win
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power by a tiny margin? and what does it mean for lashes and 2 party system? this is the size. ah hello, welcome to the program, our hashem aha bhalla brazil's newly elected president lewis in yesterday that a syllabus facing a mountain of challenges left by his predecessor jab, also nato storming of government buildings in the capital on sunday has made security one of the most pressing issues president luna has accused his generals of not doing enough to prevent the rampage of the presidential palace, congress and supreme court. the un secretary general and several world leaders have expressed support for president lula, y condemning theater,
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brazilians to have spoken out tens of thousands of people have held rally, is demonstrating against why the call an attack on democracy will get, i guess, in a moment, burst this report from our latin america deter, lucio newman, is how powerful the 1st public response to a very public attempt to undermine brazil's democratic institutions. many thousands of people gathered in. so paolo the country's most populous city, to repudiate sunday's assault on the presidential palace supreme court. and congress buildings in the capital, brazil, yet like almost every one here, eliana blames former president jade bull. so natural whom she believes was the mastermind of the attack. i know he must be jailed for all the things he's done in this country. he promoted militia thieves the tax on the amazon black gays, and now that we won't let the specious pass, never again. earlier,
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police detained him, began questioning more than $1500.00 rubles sonata activists suspected of taking part in the assault. the camp did set up months earlier, just a kilometers from the presidential palace has been demolish. they'd echoed bull sonatas, unfounded claims that a literal fraud stole his re election last year for, for the on both of them on the justice minister says the culprits were hoping to inspire a nation wide revolt, but failed in their attempt to overthrow president lula. the silver, who had been sworn in just a week earlier, most of them all to copy thought browse a little. we witnessed a brazilian version of the u. s. capital building attack, but with 2 differences. first, no one tied. and secondly, we have more people under arrest here than in the u. s. and very quickly, the investigation into financed and lead. the rage is just beginning. i bought a shot rogers, we believe many big business interests paid for the buses to bring those coo
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mongers to priscilla and sort of camps. those businessman needs investigated and punished oh, demonstrated was here also wanted to show that the president is not alone. they are swinging the game of crammed name rob really imprisoned, and they're also saying that they will not tolerate a lot already. been a minister says that, for example, there's no possibility of extra guiding. the former president was not from the united states where he is right now because he hasn't been charged with anything, at least not yet. whether the newly installed president of latin america's largest democracy will be strengthened or weakened by the m. s. of entered attack is too far from clear lucy and human al jazeera. so paolo, brazil is not the only country that seen
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a rise in far white in spite attacks or plots against it's a democratic institutions. one of the most prominent was in the united states on january the 6th 2021. more than 2000 supporters, a former president, donald trump forced their way into the capital building, saying that the 2020 election was stolen in germany last month. authorities, said the destructor, a plot to overthrow the government, dozens of members of a fall bias group were arrested in coordinated police rates. and in spain, the far right vaux party has become the 3rd largest political force in parliament, challenging the traditional 2 party system. ah, for more on this i'm joined by our gas here in the studio or hammer soccer. we offer a professor of conflict resolution or george mason university in south. paolo,
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jeremy casado is professor of political science at funder. so julia vargas, university, and head of the far right observatory in brazil in london were joined by in the zip palmer, professor of international politics at city university london. welcome. he's also the author of foundations or the american center. welcome to the program. g army. this is one of the biggest attacks on government building since the fall of the country's military dictatorship in 1985. how significant the stuff that we have seen on tv about those people's forming government buildings. well, thank you for having the i'd say that this is the actually the 1st big attack on brazilian physical institutions sold the buildings of the supreme court. congress and the presidential palace as well. well, i think it's the combination of 22 forces that both sonata has helped grow in
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brazil. the 1st one is a very strong, far right movement, represented by both sonata and his supporters. and the movement that has become more and more radicalized with time. bull sonata has transformed brazil into a laboratory for extremist ideas and tactics over the last 4 years. so most of what we saw on sunday is an emulation of things that have happened in united states, for example, in other parts of the world. things too far, right at the ologies. but we also have a very brazilian element to that, which is brazil's militaristic past. we see a lot of elderly in brazil, i mean, elderly writers who believe that the best times of their lives was under military rule, back in banking, sixties, and seventies. and even though this is very misleading, because of course, dictatorships are intrinsically problematic, they seem to want
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a government ruled by the military with both sonata as the chief leader as the, as the supreme leader of the country. so i think it's a problem because even though he was not a coo properly, it's signals to a very strong anti democratic leaning on the part of several boss and out of supporters. hundreds or even thousands. okay. who swarmed the that the buildings on sunday mohammed hastily for the attack. when we flew, look at the 3 cases, brazil in germany, and 2 years ago of the united states. i think one of the deep rooted causes is the fear among these right wing that they are losing social status with the wasps, for example, in the united states, lobbied for the return or at least from would have stayed on for years because he was there political to say we are,
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he is the one who is boosting they are more on. and if we look at the other side to the coin, i a see that white folks, the wasps are fear in the triumph of these minorities. they are against multiculturalism. they're against social diversity ethnic diversity. so i look at the white right wing as a collective action movement that these position in itself beyond the limits or beyond the boundaries of democracy. in other words, if we translate what happened in brazil the 2 days ago is a contestation of the ballots, the role of the game. and therefore, it's more of a reactionary attitude of these right wing as, than any visionary or any rational sense of politics. okay. and as it many would say that if there's any one to blame, it's definitely going to be jab both sonata for the simple reason of this is
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someone who spent false accusations about brazil's electronic system saying that this is vanessa able to afford. he didn't unequivocally a can knowledge his defeat. he left the country on inauguration day. so this is the man who should be held accountable. do you agree with this? of course i think the way you framed it. of course, both in our own plays a major role in organizing, creating the conditions for and encouraging orchestrating it by not accepting the election outcome. but i think that many forces in the united states have done the same kind of thing around donald trump in 2021. but i think it'll be a mistake to focus only on one individual. he's got a political party. there are people in the opposing political party or some support or him. he's very close to the paramilitary and military police forces on the, on the military itself. does your loss because the business,
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big corporations. i've been funding the fermentation from renting the rebellions by the past. it could fall right movement as well. so it's much more deeply systemic with in brazil, within the united states, germany and other countries as well. and i think would be a mistake to focus on the on politic individual. okay. jeremy bar. none of the syllabus said that this is going to be his task unifying, a divided nation. how can he achieve that when the country is more divided than ever? well, i think it's a challenge that's not only going to last 4 years or 8 years. it's a task for a generation to accomplish. and it's going to be very hard for lula to, to pacify the country in the context of very deep divisions along different lines. i think that in the case of brazil, in particular, race doesn't play as much as strong role as religion, for example, or,
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or class. because what we saw on sunday is it was a revolution undertaken by the middle classes that have been designed franchise over the last a couple of decades in brazil. lula has directed most of his social policies towards the poor in brazil so that the middle class and evangelical christians, in particular have felt out of this framework out of this social protection network in brazil. so in a way, in i agree it's systemic many a think that both on ad who spoke on behalf of those who had no voice under the workers party administration. so it's going to be very hard for le, le, to reach out to these people. of course, there are some moderate bull, so not of orders that can be either co opted. we're convinced that lula might be a good option, but especially the most radical fringe of the bull sonata movement. that's going to be a challenge for little and for an entire generation of politicians to bring back into
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the political system mohammed since the very moment of the, or the process of thought, the storming the government buildings in, in brazil, people started to draw parallels between what happened what is happening there, and what happened back in the 2021 in the united states of america was done of fun if factor in this particular absolutely. what we're witnessing now is global trump ism where riot, when grove is now attacking all legitimate institutions. and by the way, it should not be a surprise. for the past 30 years, we've had this the involvement of the radical social identity and their bush one. we had the conservatives then they became the neoconservative, then the tea party for orders. then we get to trump, where we see the most try. they could face. all right?
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when goes in the night says so since from manish to enter the white house he gave. right? when goes all over the wood, the hope that yes. right wing politics, madam and we should take action. and i think now when the are not happy with the outcome of the ballot when you do, they are trying to destabilize this, that the country and brazil is not going to be the last case study. so we're looking at and the day lamar of social identities that are no longer living under the same umbrella. it doesn't mother with your american or not. but what sub identity you are wearing or you are carrying with this is i think i need, we need the, i don't it, these theory as a key to understand what's going on in does that, if this is a, an ever changing political landscape 70 years ago, we were told that the biggest threat to democracy was nazism and nazism and fascism
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than it was communism. 30 years ago we were told that terrorism is the biggest threat to western democracy. can we say now that the biggest wet existence of threat to democracy in the west comes from within? i think the far right and extreme right wing pulses, which some of which are the fashion stick. i think the biggest, if you'd like, threat to the kind of democratic political systems and they're getting support from a very wide range of corporate forces, tire military and political parties as well. but we also eat, took in a kind of political economy context to the growing level to be the quality exclusion of ordinary people in politics. the economic prosperity in which people live. a lot of people on the right especially are mobilizing on a racial, really just ethnic or other bases and defining the people very narrowly, because
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a sort of division of people in order to mobilize themselves for power. and by doing that, the fact they're not actually resolving any of the economic issues that middle class and already working people thing there, i think dividing the people are so that the big companies, a big operations. and the real ruling elites in effect, can carry on with their programs of globalization. extreme inequality 1000000000 is having large amounts of economic, financial, and political power and try to hold on to that. but the mass of ordinary people, including middle class people, are in very, very difficult conditions in europe, in the united states, in brazil, india, and many other places. and these cultural coals for identity politics and extremely narrow character around race, religion or ethnicity are actually ways of fighting people, not solving any of the problems, but a large number of people to be mobilized behind those goals now for many decades. and that is a massive threat, which is if you like me to thought after,
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to take into account and to deal with. and i must admit that the liberal, establish your liberal, not a very reliable allies in the fight against those kinds of far right or extreme. it forces ok and they very rarely bring to account the gathering leaders of these kind of attempted insurrections and cose, jeremy, before the fun day attack jazz ball sonata was already facing for ongoing criminal probes, led by the supreme court justice alexander, do what i do see this event as a turning point, that could push the government off for what's another to be expedited to brazil. well, i think it's possible, even though the government, the incumbent government, the rule of the silver hasn't made any specific move to ask for both of those extra addiction up until this point. and i think that the government fears that if they
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try to bring both sonata back into brazil, this is going going to stir even more violence in the streets because most of also not supporters at this point, especially those who have remained both on idle hardcore, both and out of supporters, even after the defeat or in the tobar elections, i think that these, these groups tend to be very violent and they will react very violently to any measure that the current government wants to take. so i think that in the spirit of passive find the country, what lula present little is going to do is to investigate the crew mongers of sunday's attacks. they are going to find the financing networks behind. all these coup longer is and again, most of them are elderly, middle class, people sometimes very humbled people that have been brainwashed by both scenarios,
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narratives and does information campaign on social media. busy so i think that the real issue here is who's behind these movements and whether these movements they have trans national connections with countries like united states. so of course, boston was to blame and he will be held responsible at the end of the day. but i think that it's going to take a while before the government tries to bring both sonata to trial in brazil because that's a very disruptive element of brazilian politics right now. how much when you receive the united states of america and many other countries was quite striking, is that in all these cases, you see an unprecedented level of this information to forego, use social media platforms and sent long messages, the shape, the public opinion, and to create a delusional reality about what's happening. this pushes people to take action to scare me in a sense or another because of the thought that technology would help us. technology
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could be, it's not dangerous. it's not just technology, but it's also the magic of the narrative. so we have to narratives now that are collided. there is the democratic, the narrative that we should respect all the institutions. the congress is a sacred institution for example, and then the count them now they, which is trump ism in various manifestations. so these guys still still the same, not at the forward a large number of americans, the right wing of still believe the from may come back in 2024. so there is a golden myth growing in their heads that they can take revenge and they can this, they realize the nation and then favor the way for the return of their particular savior. so it's still a very powerful narrative and i think january may become if we come and consider what happened in, but as it generally becomes the month of the chosen glory for this or
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a wing movement. so it sees global and i think it's going to spread told examples, indices we've seen that the far right is gaining momentum in europe. do you think that there would be terminated to somehow pick the same playbook like in the us and brazil to advance their own political agenda or at least to enforce a political change? i think the extreme right, the bar i and a fascist dick right are already and very significant powerful positions within the european union. and the countries are, even if they're not necessarily in power. and we saw through the pandemic, many of the right wing forces peddling their conspiracy theories about the vaccines, an obliging around that and actually becoming very violent as well. and so the narrative is the, the country, their country, that they're the real people. their country has been sold to the u. n. w h whoa on foreigners or terrorists or refugees and minorities,
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and they want their country back. i'm not a big lie is being peddled all the way through. and so i think that they are empowered by the authorities, bro. all other are not doing enough. and my brazilian colleague says that is to provoke a tape to arrest and expedite both to narrow people in the united states and the democratic party that similar things are donald trump. but unless those ringleaders are actually taken and put it on to book, i haven't the people who helped organize it and how deep it goes into the systems in each country. without that, this will remain a major threat in the next decade also. okay. and the other thing of course is these are index donald issues as well because we have a warning ukraine and a threat all further. for example, over taiwan and b, mobilize ation in that regard as well. so ok, i think there's a very dangerous time jeremy, what do you think would be the next step for president lola?
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particularly given the fact that we know now that they are accusing of a governor of brazilian for not being tough on the protest. there is a growing concerned that the security parrot, as in brazil has been a while. another with ball sonata with the military establishment remains a key component in society. and the protest, as i say, would like to see if a gover, the ministry said over paula. well, they are clear signs of complicity on the part of the military and security forces, especially in the city, the capital city of brazil. you who have apparently allowed protesters to break into the public buildings of congress supreme court in the presidential palace. so one of the big challenges for lula right now, even though i think he, he leads this, this event, he leaves this whole situation a little bit stronger than he entered because his reaction was very swift as he been clare at federal intervention in brazil. ya. but i think that he will face
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challenges regarding 2 specific ministries, which are the ministry of defense and the ministry of justice. the ministry of the fans was responsible for controlling the military, the armed forces they have fall in under civilian control 25 years ago. it was an attempt to prevent the military from becoming political actress in brazil. we have a track record of military involvement in politics that has led us into military long standing military dictatorships in brazil. so also not having powered the military to become political actors all over again. and lula will have to push the military back into the their headquarters. that's going to be difficult, especially because the minister of the fans is a well known both. so not a supporter who entered the cabinet of lula because of a party, accommodations, and of course lula will have to deal with the local, the state based security forces. he had
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a meeting yesterday with 27 governors. that the all the 27 governors of brazil and apparently was a very positive meeting because he had, he was able to convince these governors that they have. they are responsible for controlling the security forces, who tend to take signs with banking model, who have turned the blind eye to many things that have happened in brazil. these 2 are very important challenges for jeremy casado as well. but so in that i really appreciate your insight. thank you. and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha insights, or you can also join the conversation twitter i'll have that is add a j insights for me, and the entire team here in the ah
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