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irreverent, it was edgy, but the knight truly belonged to steven spielberg. this is considered kind of the opening of the award season for hollywood. and he to come the biggest prize of the night, which was best drama for his film. the fable mens which is loosely based on his life, he also to come best director, best comedy, went to the band she's of in a sheer in ah, which if you saw it is a very weird movie. and it was a kind of an under dog because the other weird movie in that category, everything everywhere, all at once, was supposed to win. but instead that film to comp top awards for its actors on the t. v side. because the golden globes does award that the top honors in both tv and film genres are the best drama went to house of the dragons, which is h. b as follow up to game of thrones. and comedy went to abbot elementary, which was already heading into to night with 5 nominations more than any other tv show it to comb 3, including best comedy and to top acting prizes. ah
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. so these are the top stores hernandez, era and police in germany or a victim climate actress from a small village that is going to be turned into an open pit. coal mine, a court has rejected. the protests is request to stay and police have started removing them. that vaccine is at the protest come and eludes out where i to resolve being arrested. well, very early at dawn, a very large police force, sir, came to the village and started rating it evicting it, they created chaos. at 1st, there was a lot of 1st scuffling and pushing back and forth. people actually got injured, injured at the moment. they're actually dragging people out one by one. as so far that goes quite faithfully. people are still here at the entrance of the village. you can see the has sort of chain themselves together,
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and some of them are on these high polls. so making it very difficult for police says to get to them a rebels and to grow, have begun handy and heavy weapons to the ethiopian army. as part of a peace deal signed in south africa. more than 2 months ago also includes reopening humanitarian access and communication. russian forces have stepped up their assault in a small sort, mining town and east and ukraine with the help of a group of mercenaries. the wagner group is now claiming control of a solid, our city center. the cave says its soldiers are holding out. ambulance workers in the u. k. a pressing own with their 2nd strike this winter demanding higher pay is the cost of living saws. nurses are also planning to walk off the job. and denise in president, vehicle widow has express regrets about one of the darkest chapters of his country's history, including the massacre of more than half a 1000000 people. in the mid 1960 s, she was rights groups say without an expression of regret is not enough. tens of
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thousands of opposition supporters have gathered in bangladesh, his capital to protest against the government. they want the next general election to be held under a non partisan caretaker administration. the world health organization has declared the end of a nearly 4 month bowler outbreak in uganda, in which at least $55.00 people have died. you know that headlines. more news coming up right after inside story. ah, the attack or brazil congress by supporters of the former president has base questions about democracy. how much mandate should governments have if they wind
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power by a tiny margin? and what does it mean for lashes and to party systems? this is the size. ah hello, welcome to the program, our hashem, alberto brazil's newly elected president. lewis in yesterday that a syllabus facing a mountain of challenges left by his predecessor, jab, olsen, out of storming of government buildings in the capital on sunday has made security one of the most pressing issues. president luna has accused his generals of not doing enough to prevent the rampage of the presidential palace, congress and supreme court. the un secretary general and several world leaders have expressed support for president lola y condemning theater brazilians to have spoken
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out tens of thousands of people have held rallies, demonstrating against why the call an attack on democracy would get, i guess, in a moment. first, this report from our latin america deter, lucio newman in south bottle. the 1st public response to a very public attempt to undermine brazil's democratic institutions. many thousands of people gathered in. so paolo, the country's most populous city, to repudiate sunday's assault on the presidential palace supreme court, and congress buildings in the capitol, brazil. yet like almost every one here, eliana blames former president jane bull. so nato, whom she believes was the mastermind of the attack. i mean, he must be jailed for all the things he's done in this country. he promoted militia thieves the tax on the amazon black gays. and now beth, we won't let the specious pass. never again. earlier police detained and began
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questioning more than $1500.00 global sonata activists suspected of taking part in the assault. the camp did set up months earlier, just a kilometers from the presidential palace has been demolish. they'd echoed bull sonatas, unfounded claims that a literal fraud stole his re election last year for, for the all breath of the justice minister says the culprits were hoping to inspire a nation wide revolt, but failed in their attempt to overthrow president lula desilva, who had been sworn in just a week earlier. mostly them all to copy all abrazzo little. we've witnessed a brazilian version of the u. s. capital building attack, but with 2 differences. first, no one tied. and secondly, we have more people under arrest here than in the u. s. and very quickly, the investigation into who financed and lead the rage is just beginning. i bought a shot rogers, we believe many big business interests paid for the buses to bring those coo
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mongers to priscilla and set up camps. those businessmen need to be investigated and punished oh, demonstrate was here. also wanted to show that the president is not alone. they are swinging the game of name rob a. they're also saying that they will not tolerate in any state or any of the web already been written. they are calling terrorist authors. but the minister says that for example, there's no possibility of extra dining. the former president was not from the united states where he is right now because he hasn't been charged with anything, at least not yet. whether the newly installed president of latin america's largest democracy will be strengthened or weakened by the m. s. of entered attack is too far from clear. lucy and human al jazeera sao paolo, brazil is not the only country that seen
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a rise in far white in spite attacks or plots against it's a democratic institutions. one of the most prominent was in the united states on january the 6th 2021. more than 2000 supporters, a former president, donald trump forced their way into the capital building, saying that the 2020 election was stolen in germany last month. authorities, said the destructor, a plot to overthrow the government, dozens of members of a fall by its group were arrested in coordinated police rates. and in spain, the far right vaux party has become the 3rd largest political force in parliament, challenging the traditional 2 party system. ah, for more on this i'm joined by our guest here in the studio one hammer. so can we offer a professor of conflict resolution at george mason university in style?
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paolo, jeremy casado is professor of political science at phone the so utility of august university and head of the far right observatory. in brazil, a london were joined by in does it parma, professor of international politics at city university london. welcome. he's also the author of foundations or the american center. welcome to the program. g army. this is one of the biggest attacks on government building since the fall of the country's military dictatorship in 1985. how significant the stuff that we have seen on tv about those people's forming government buildings. well, thank you for having the i'd say that business, they're actually the 1st big attack on brazilian physical institutions sold the buildings of the supreme court. congress and the presidential palace as well. well, i think it's the combination of 22 forces that both sonata has helped grow in
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brazil. the 1st one is very strong for right movement represented by boss and out of his supporters and the movement that has become more and more radicalized with science. also, nato has transform brazil into a laboratory for extremist ideas and tactics over the last 4 years. so most of what we saw on sunday is an emulation of things that have happened in the united states, for example, and in other parts of the world. things too far, right at the ologies. but we also have a very brazilian element to that, which is brazil's militaristic past. we see a lot of elderly in brazil, i mean, elderly writers who believe that the best times of their lives was under military rule, back in banking, sixties, and seventies. and even though this is very misleading, because of course, dictatorships are intrinsically problematic, they seem to want
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a government ruled by the military with both sonata as the chief leader as the, as the supreme leader of the country. so i think it's a problem because even though it was not a qu properly, it's signals to a very strong anti democratic leaning on the part of several boston out of supporters. hundreds or even thousands. okay. who warmth the, the buildings on sunday. well, how much waste of late for the truck when with food, aka the 3 cases, brazil, germany and 2 years ago was the united states? i think one of the deep rooted causes is the fear among these right wing that they are losing social status with the wasps, for example, in the united states, lobbied for the return or at least from would have stayed on for years because he was their political savior, he is the one who is boosting,
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they are more on and if we look at the other side to the coin, i a see that white folks, the wasps are fear in the triumph of these minorities. they are against multiculturalism. they're against social diversity ethnic diversity. so i look at the white right wing as a collective action movement that these positioning itself beyond the limits or beyond the boundaries of democracy. in other words, if we translate what happened in brazil the 2 days ago is a contestation of the ballots, the role of the game. and therefore, it's more of a reactionary attitude of these right wing as, than any visionary or any rational sense of politics. ok, in does it many would say that if there's anyone to blame, it's definitely going to be jab both sonata for the simple reason of this is
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someone who spent false accusations about brazil's electronic system saying that this is vanessa. walter fought, he didn't unequivocally a can knowledge his defeat. he left the country on inauguration day. so this is the man who should be held accountable. do you agree with this? of course i think the way you framed it. of course jack dolphin r. o plays a major role in organizing, creating the conditions for and encouraging orchestrating it by not accepting the election outcome. but i think, and many forces in the united states have done the same kind of thing around donald trump in 2021. but i think it'll be a mistake to focus it only on one individual. he's got a political party. there are people in the opposing political party or some support him. he's very close to the paramilitary and minute trap. police forces on the, on the military itself. does your last week of the business, big corporations,
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i've been funding the fermentation for renting the rebellions by the plastic bar right movement as well. so it's much more deeply systemic with in brazil, within the united states, germany and other countries as well. and i think would be a mistake to focus only on politic individual. okay, g army, but not a syllabus said that this is going to be his task unifying, a divided nation. how can i achieve that when the country is more divided than ever? well, i think it's a challenge that's not only going to last 4 years or 8 years. it's a task for a generation to accomplish. and it's going to be very hard for lula to, to pacify the country in the context of very deep divisions along different lines. i think that in the case of brazil, in particular, race doesn't play as much as strong role as religion, for example, or,
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or class. because what we saw on sunday is it was a revolution undertaken by the middle classes that have been in franchise over the last a couple of decades in brazil. lula has directed most of his social policies towards the poor in brazil so that the middle class and evangelical christians, in particular have felt out of this framework out of this social protection network in brazil. so in a way, in, i agree it's systemic. many think that both on ad who spoke on behalf of those who had no voice under the workers party administration. so it's going to be very hard for le le, to reach out to these people. of course, there are some moderate bull, so not of orders that can be either co opted. we're convinced that lula might be a good option, but especially the most radical fringe of the bull sonata movement. that's going to be a challenge for lol, and for an entire generation of politicians to bring back into the political system
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mohammed since the very moment of the or the process of started storming the government buildings in, in, in brazil, people started to draw parallels between what happened what is happening there and what happened back in the 2021 in the united states of america was donald trump, a factor in this particular appeal locally. what we're witness in now is global trump ism where riot, when good is now attack in all legitimate institutions. and by the way, it should not be a surprise for the bus 30 years. we've had this development of the radical social identity and the bush one. we had the conservatives then they became the neoconservative, then the tea party for orders. then we get to trump, where we see the most try. they can face. all right?
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when goes in the night says so since from manish to enter the white house he gave, right one goes all over the would the hope that yes. right wing politics, madam and we should take action. and i think now when the are not happy with the outcome of the ballot when you do, they are trying to destabilize this, that the country and brazil is not going to be the last case study. so we're looking at and the delama of social identities that are no longer living under the same umbrella. it doesn't mother with your american or not, but what sub identity you are wearing or you are carrying with this is i think i need, we need the, i don't it, these theory as a key to understand what's going on in does that if this is a an ever changing political landscape. 70 years ago, we were told that the biggest threat to democracy was nazism and nazism and fascism
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than it was communism. 30 years ago we were told that terrorism is the biggest threat to watson democracy. can we say now that the biggest wet, existential threat to democracy in the west comes from within? i think the far right and extreme right wing pulses, which some of which are cystic. i think they are biggest. if you'd like, threat to the kind of democratic political systems and they're getting support from a very wide range of corporate forces, paramilitaries and political parties as well. but we each took in a kind of political economy context to the growing levels of inequality, exclusion of ordinary people from politics, the economic prosperity in which people live. a lot of people on the right especially are mobilizing on a racial, really just ethnic or other bases and defining the people very narrowly, because
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a sort of division of people in order to mobilize themselves for power. and by doing that, the fact they're not actually resolving any of the economic issues that middle class and already working people, things. they're actually dividing the people out so that the big companies are big operations. and the real ruining leaps in effect, can carry on with their programs of globalization. extreme in equality 1000000000 is having large amounts of economic, financial, and political power and try to hold on to that. but the mass of ordinary people, including middle class people, are in very, very difficult conditions in europe, in the united states, in brazil, india, and many other places. and these cultural goals for identity politics and extremely narrow character around race, religion or ethnicity are actually ways of fighting people, not solving any problems, but a large number of people to be mobilized behind those calls now for many decades. and that is a massive threat, which is if you like me to,
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for this not to take into account and to deal with. and i must admit that the liberal establishment liberals are not a very reliable ally in the fight against those kinds of far right or extreme. it forces ok and they very rarely bring to account the god ringleaders of the kind of attempted insurrections and cose, jeremy, before the fund day attack jazz ball sonata was already facing for ongoing criminal probes, led by the supreme court justice alexander, do what i do see this event as a turning point, that could push the government to us for what's another to be expedited to brazil. well, i think it's possible, even though the government, the incumbent government, the rule of the silver hasn't made any specific move to ask for boss on those extra addiction up until this point. and i think that the government fears that if they
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try to bring both sonata back into brazil, this is don't going to stir even more violence in the streets because most of also not supporters at this point, especially those who have remained boston idol hardcore burleson out of supporters, even after the defeat or in the tobar elections. i think that these, these groups tend to be very violent and they will react very violently to any measure that the current government wants to take. so i think that in the spirit of passive find the country, what lula present little is going to do is to investigate the, the crew mongers of sundays attacks. they are going to find the financing networks behind. all these coup longer is and again, most of them are elderly, middle class people, sometimes very humble. people that have been brainwashed by both scenarios,
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narratives and does information campaign on social media. busy so i think that the real issue here is who's behind these movements and whether these movements they have trans national connections with countries like the united states. so of course both. so now we're to blame and he will be held responsible at the end of the day. but i think that it's going to take a while before the government tries to bring both sonata to trial in brazil because that's a very disruptive element of brazilian politics, right? now, how much when you receive the united states of america and many other countries was quite striking, is that in all these cases, you see an unprecedented level of disinformation to forego use social media platforms and sent long messages, the shape, the public opinion, and the create a delusional reality about what's happening. this pushes people to take action to scare me in a sense or another because of the thought that technology would help us. technology
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could be, it's not dangerous. it's not just technology, but it's also the magic of the narrative. so we have to narratives now that are colliding. it is the democratic to narrative that we should respect all the institutions. the congress is a sacred institution for example, and then the count them out there, which is trump ism in various manifestations. so these guys still still the same, not at the 4 or a large number of americans, the right wing of still believe the from i may come back in 2024. so there is a golden myth growing in their heads that they can take revenge. and they can this stabilize the nation and then paved the way for the return of their political a savior. so it's still a very powerful narrative and i think january may become if we come in or consider what happened in. but as it generally becomes the monk of the chosen glory for this
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or a twink movement. so it says global, and i think it's going to spread. told examples. indices we've seen that the far right is gaining momentum in europe. do you think that there would be a tendency to somehow pick the same playbook like in the us and brazil to advance their own political agenda, or at least to in force a political change? i think that the extreme right, the bar i am the fashion take right, are already and very significant powerful positions within the european union and the countries even if they are not necessarily in power. and we saw through the pandemic, many of the right wing pulses peddling their conspiracy theories about the vaccines on believing around that and actually becoming very violent as well. and so the narrative is the, the country, their country, that they're the real people. their country has been sold to the u. n. w h ho on foreigners or terrorists or refugees and minorities,
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and they want their country back. i'm not big lie is being peddled all the way through. and so i think that they are empowered by the authorities, barrel or other are not doing enough. and my brazilian colleague says that it's super rocketed to arrest and expedite both to narrow people in the united states and the democratic party that similar things are donald trump. but unless those ringleaders are actually taken and put, there ought to book the people who helped organize it and how deep it goes to the systems in each country. without that, they will remain a major threat in the next decade also. okay, and the other thing of course is these are index donald issues as well because we have a warning ukraine and the threat of further war, for example, over taiwan and b mobilization in that regard as well. so ok, i think there's a very dangerous time jeremy, what do you think would be the next step for present,
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lola? particularly given the fact that we know now that they are accusing of the governor of brazilian for not being tough on the protest. there is a growing concerned that the security parity in brazil has been well another with ball sonata that the military establishment remains a key component in society. the protest, as i say, would like to receive a gover the ministry overpower well they are clear signs of complicity on the part of the military and security forces, especially in the city, the capital city of brazil. you who have apparently allowed protesters to break into the public buildings of congress supreme court in the presidential palace. so one of the big challenges for lula right now, even though i think he, he leaves this this event. he leaves this whole situation a little bit stronger than he entered because his reaction was very swift as he been clare at the federal intervention in brazil. ya. but i think that he will face
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challenges regarding to the specific ministries which are the ministry of defense and the ministry of justice. the minister of the fans was responsible for controlling the military, the armed forces. they have fall in under civilian control 25 years ago. it was an attempt to prevent the military from becoming political actress in brazil. we have a track record of military involvement in politics that has led us into military long standing military dictatorships in brazil. so also not having powered the military to become political actors all over again. and lula will have to push the military back into the their headquarters. that's going to be difficult, especially because the minister of the fans is a well known both. so not a supporter who entered the cabinet of lula because of a party, accommodations, and of course lula will have to deal with the local, the state based security forces. he had a meeting yesterday with 27 governors,
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the all the 27 governors of brazil. and apparently it was a very positive meeting because he had, he was able to convince these governors that they have. they are responsible for controlling the security forces, who tend to take signs with blanket motto, who have turned the blind eye to many things that have happened in brazil. these 2 are very important challenges for jeremy casado is mom. but somehow, in that, i really appreciate your insight. thank you. and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. got our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha insights, or you can also join the conversation on twitter. i'll have that. is that a j insights for me and the entire team here in the ah,
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