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and help combat the symptoms of covert another 2, but to help patients who had a heart attack or stroke among the remainder or drugs to fight leukemia, diabetes. and to prevent the rejection of transplants. one of germany's leading oncologists told me why he believes this is happening. the major problem is that most production sites are not close to us, so they're not in europe anymore. what they're like in india and china was a ship or 2. it makes a very complex supply chain, not only and providing the basic product also to getting so york to get it the soon as it was in europe. and thus stooping. comp commission has decided to give incentives for production site in europe. but that takes decades right now, some say the you need to consider building up a stock of 3 to 4 month supply of most needed medications. so that shortages can be avoided back at the pharmacy and listen, barrack patients are still getting the treatments they need. but it's clear that
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staff here and across europe are having to improvise solutions for their customers . dominic cane al jazeera berlin. ah, and let's take you through some of the headlines now. a plane carrying 72 people as crashed in nepal, the yeti airlines, their crossway down their pocket. i airport around 200 kilometers and the capitol cap man. do an airport official says 68 bodies have been recovered from ether. limbo has more from the castle. the gorge where the ah plane crashed. apparently the fires had been doused ah, and are out. and a local earth on onlookers, or people living in the settlements through where the flights basically fly over
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did report. ah, that they did see on some instability on, in, in the movement of the flight before they heard a loud crash. and a few moments later, russian missile attacks of struck multiple ukrainian cities for the 1st time in 2 weeks. at least 21 people have been killed, more energy facilities were hits leading to blackouts across several regions. the ahead of the world health organization as well come, china's public release of darter on cove at 19 related deaths. raging says nearly 60000 people have died in hospital since it lifted severe corona virus restrictions in early december. u. s. president joe biden is declared an emergency in california . storms continued to batter the state. the new weather system brought heavy rain, snow, and strong winds to the region on the weekend. tens of thousands of people have
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been forced from their homes and ex nato general and of billionaire, former prime minister, leading after the 1st round of the czech republic, presidential election, former premier andre babich and retired general setup. pavel each took around 35 percent of the vote, fell face off again at the end of the month. those he had lines. news continues after inside story ah. intense fighting around the town of sola dar in eastern ukraine wash and military advances are being claimed and denied why have both sides battle so fiercely over this area and does it mark a new phase in the war?
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this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully back table. ukraine has refuted russian claims its captured the eastern town of solid r. whatever the true fighting has been intense around what is europe's largest salt mine. nearly all of the small towns, $11000.00 inhabitants have left and almost everything above ground is destroyed. so why has this battle been so fierce and does it signal a change in how this war is being fought? we'll be discussing this and more with our guests in just a few minutes. but 1st 2 reports from ukraine and russia alley hush. jim in moscow explains his battles connection to a different one within russia, establishment. before that we hear from charles stratford, who spent
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a day with ukrainian special forces in backwards close to solid r ukrainian defensive positions west of the front line city of buff. moot. russian infantry are slowly advancing into northern and eastern residential areas over the hill. the center of town is almost completely destroyed. the streets virtually deserted. oh, the blasts of exploding artillery and rockets is almost constant. soldier with the ukrainians. special forces leads us to their bunker. warm dark tunnels, lined with weapons, and ammunition boxes. drones feed, real time video of russian infantry movement only a kilometer and a half away. so you have a lot of men, power source is sent every time. it looks like a ways. so we cannot stop every time because we have less guys. and unfortunately,
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we also lost a lot of guy said this moment men rest before their next mission, often close combat were trenches are only 20 meters apart. commanders insist, we hide their identities and don't film landmarks near by the could give their positions away. i want to preserve, mullin, i hope as a child they split into small groups in order to avoid artillery and they infiltrate to residential areas and tree lines. but they also suffer huge casualties. grammar, military intelligence from our western partners is often not distributed to us quickly enough on the front lines where we need it to target command centers, logistics hobbs and weapons depos. the shelling is getting closer has been an intensification of shelling in the last few minutes. the soldiers
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here are telling us that up to 600 russian soldiers are moving into new positions. in the northeast of the city, we climbed the stairs of the destroyed residential building. smoke rises from fresh strikes, a few streets away, close to russian hill sections of town. what remains of the lives of people who fled the fighting lines abandoned and destroyed home. russian forces a gradually surrounding bar. mote from solider. around 15 kilometers to the north. to villages in the southeast, strangling what little remains of life here as the ukrainian army prepare new lines of defense. cha, strafford al jazeera of mort. it's a moment, moscow has been waiting for visual and you're not the real idea. the capture of saddam became possible thanks to the continuous strikes and the positions of the
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armed forces of ukraine by russian air force missiles and artillery. who moscow hope solid are will be a stepping stone to another strategic ukrainian city. rosalyn. i think that only after the liberation of back, what will inoffensive operation be prepared to help complete the liberation at annette's from ukraine. soda opens the way for from military units to chrome at oscar. this is the largest city of the da nets people's republic. still held by ukrainian nationalists. what does another battle going on? this one inside the russian establishment over there. all mercenaries from the wagner group, late in capturing solid on the reported on the selig, run channel estate within the form of an uncertain question, accusing some officials of trying to steal its victory was threatening the only fight this prison in the button for solider where one of the ministry of defense letter issued a statement confirming that wagner's role was essential in the bottle for solid,
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a passcode to recover wagner is not registered in russia. we do not have a law on private military companies. therefore, apparently the military is trying not to mention wagner is part of the group that performs the tasks of the special military operation. of course, this is very insulting to the wagner fighters, and the case is also about the jealousy of some generals. and as russia attempts to capture more cities, the echoes of the battle in moscow for the halter mind of vladimir putin may be heard the battlefields in ukraine. ali i shall raja 0 more scores. ah, well, let's bring in our guests now for today's show from odessa in ukraine, micheal boy, syracuse. he is a senior fellow at the atlantic council from moscow, a sergey markov who is the director of institute of political studies and a former spokesman for president vitamin protein and from bath patrick piri,
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a senior defense antiquity lecture at the university of bath, and a former british army officer and former nato analysts. thank you gentlemen, for being with us on inside. sorry. welcome, michael, let me start with you in odessa, if i can, the ukrainian guffman dispute. the claim that the russians are in control of solid are how big of a setback would it be for ukraine if the russians indeed were in control of this sort of a town? right. well, 1st of all, the russians are making this much more of the bigger deal than it is. the, the status of solar are still very, very much up in the air. how do we know that from correspondents who are there on the front line and from ukrainian service men who up getting comments to foreign media? i think from the russian side solider has much more information or propaganda value than actual strategic value. after a humiliating loss is on the ballot and filled included, including lutheran, come on, they need some type of when no matter how small to be able to feed to their russian
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public. and especially to those were hog to those the russian bloggers, her giving actually the prominent top time. now the ukranian side, it should be said that, you know, they don't look at this war is the human meat grinder, like the russian. ready do when there are threats to, to their men and women, they do pull back a bit and they made that clear because human life, unlike on the russian side, they say it to be valued. one last thing, if i may on this, is that it is a very, very long frontline intent to move perhaps 50 or a few 100 meters one way the other day by day. so there's a long way to go before anyone can claim having taken over solider. alright, let's ask fair game in moscow. why solid die is such a big deal for russia? why has so much man power, including mercenaries, fed a been brought onto this area? so does that not important for us?
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joseph, what we should understand. russian government is saying is a truth. keep it super easy and is lying on muscles. and florida not important for me to, to the point of view a judge is not in the military point of view. why are they sending so many troops into into solid, including mercenary from the wagner group. oh, medicine that it from wagner. horrible. if i didn't get a different agents in dunbar, and then other regions for daughter is very important. politically, all for why do you mean? is it empty? because really made it that a capacity, ukrainian army is great that not by your grades, but by health or where some conscious but wisdom comes, we want to give health to the suspects. so you can, you know, i mean, that's why it's very important political will like you, me to listen to sure is that you're creating a not me still going horror and losing got c t after the bottle. if,
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because i fail up a little bay lot or provide unit is it is a face or she is a western part of that. why didn't you send a duncan or you couldn't your soul just to fight for the small seat is i started out and back and read the law. doesn't the sounds of korean soldiers to diet was these small features, which particularly means almost emitted fitted or military point of view me as almost nothing but a witness. i bet it important or video. okay, because it's important because it is becoming important for school and to crash video. let spring in, patrick barry and bass for your thoughts on this about the significance of solid and back modes from se solid as figure was saying,
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there is of no significance militarily to russia. it's more related to russian domestic politics. what are your thoughts on, on this battle and how is unfolding? yeah, i'd agree with sir. i, i'm not actually michael is saying the same thing to do. the key thing is here, look at the noises coming out of the kremlin and the, the videos being trying to float the internet from the wagner group. there's always to be serious discourse amongst their we know some of the power struggles between ag are awesome all. and the general in charge now of the whole operation. it goes in for all the can and, and, and it seems to be that essentially this is a by, they're not fighting a battle in the way that you would over a strategic objective. this is about sending russian troops into a meat grinder to be killed, to meet some sort of political infighting about the conduct of the war and who should be the head honcho on the ground. so that's my reading of it. essentially. i
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think i look once once once and both sides start to take a serious man to casualties. insignificant objectives can become more significant because there's a bloat. and there's a, there's a basically a blog treasure which is being spent and it becomes more significant. but i still think that this solid are really, doesn't matter, significantly, even if you zoom them up out, over bar moved. it doesn't matter massively and, and i don't agree with the idea that this is a big, big issue for zalinski in terms of nato support nato. as we know as a defensive organization. if you crane with start to lose city after city, that nature would actually open up. it says support, i imagine. so i don't think really it has an optical or a heavy way on nato allies. and it's also interesting to note that the u. k is just said, it's going to send a challenge or 2 times to you grain. so watch this space and a let's, let's allow segue to respond to that. say gay, patrick says, you know, russia is fighting for politics here for political infighting, a rather than
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a strategic care plan when it comes to solid, died and back to what is your response to that? who missed the, call that 6 as a no need to stay in to fix that enough, because what do you mean to put it to the high and also immediately on power. all russia pooly depend on rational capacity, rational society. and actually because, i mean it's rational, domestic politics. it's no. so of course society one very much ration. i mean, to go on until a bit more and more you can see just not on the done yes can but also konica. that's another rational representatives. united nation say that it clear with last night about what's your mom's rush. the mom is that she's been no threat to rush and security diploma. you could at your job. and also that all russian speaking
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people should wait to go. and so struggle right in ukrainian did it today as well, if it's will be by, by, by piece, by new sanctions. russia will be happy to do it. but if that some countries will continue to seize that, there are some speaking people to be 2nd kind of the citizens with no right to speak, native language, russia, we'll get to zap goals by boss. all right, and let's bring in michael in ukraine to respond to that. we heard there from say gay rushes and games in his you, when it comes to this war and ukraine, ukraine's then game in this conflict is the restoration of its territory to free 2014 borders. i want to know, michael, whether, you know, the russians are becoming a more formidable force right now for the ukraine on the ground in close quarter. fighting with more, you know, as we've heard, wagner, a group mercenaries involved in the conflict. how difficult is it for ukraine to
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defend dispositions right now? yeah, well 1st of all, what's coming out of his mouth is complete. nonsense. if indeed, the russians cared when i talk about the security, the protection of russian speakers here in ukraine. why are russian speaking cities being bomb, like how to kill, for example, like other cities and just in your grand, i hear from ukraine into are russian speakers come from that region? they can understand the russian mentality on this. but, you know, when we think about it, the russians have put very low value on life. so that's why that's happening. and in terms of the russian fighting strategy you referred to. well, right now, as i said here, ukraine is under a nationwide missile attack right now from the russian side. that's the only way they know how to fight is not icon bad with, with their opponent. but with the long range missed those that are very destructive . so trying to weaponized winter, trying to damage ukrainian infrastructure,
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i think come what we're going to see going forward over the next days and weeks is quite the pivot probably from the inside on the front line. and a big reason for that fully will be because of the it will take some time. but the addition of these tanks like a challenge or to post cold war for generation tank and also the other fighting vehicles per provided by europe. also via the added training, things like that, but one more thing quickly is i think, between now and the one year anniversary in the middle of february, russia will try to launch quite amounts of salt. we know there modality, ok, let's allow them to respond to that figure. we had heard michael say that the russians have a low value on life. they're using mercenaries made up a former convex, and they don't really care about losing these men on the battlefield. what do you respond to that? it just life? i think what we have now so immediately defends me. this was conscious,
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of course we cannot trust permission during the civil about going into not my evolution. my understanding for russian army and citizens, if you create is our people. we like to many time told that we are why the people use some kind of cedric walk inside rush. and people, you may know is that as my, if russia is these people, it's people. why is it bombing cities that are occupied by, by it? no, no, she's lying. she's like, russian never die. get to see beauty. and i need because i see like a friend, i keep you just a 100 percent that new and that's it. propaganda. ok. i was a lot of because all it's patrick. what do you want to bring you in on an army
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where the russian bombing concentrated? so you know, that's the reality we're talking about here. so i don't know how we can continue to be with someone with an alternative reality. you know, i, i, you know, to come back to, sorry, guys 1st point is he well knows, just because you're a russian speaker doesn't mean you make you any less ukrainian according to the referendum and all the polling that was conducted. you can be a russian speaker, and i was heavily diminishing as you'd imagine, and also feel ukrainian. so of course there's some small segments of the population still do feel russian, but it is smaller than i was. and so i don't think that even that argument holds if you're going to say that the russians have a bombard kid and car here, i don't like, i can't have a debate with someone about that. it's clear to everybody. ok, let me, let me ask you patrick, about a recent military shakeup we seen in russia and how do you think it's going to change the conflict this military shake up? we've seen within the russian army and is general it. awesome. all of appointment. do you think held a new face in the conflict?
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is a few ways of looking at it and again, is fed internal dynamics. most of it that he is being put in there because you broke it, you know, you just destroyed are pretty much destroyed. are conventional larvae with brain plan for taking a massive country? i know you fix it. yeah. or was ceramic in becoming too powerful with a direct line to put in a knife where they moved in to get rid of them? i agree with michael. i think we can expect to see, you know, a 100000 st party, trained and recently mobilized russian troops being, you know, pushed into an attack somewhere and we'll have to see hopefully the ukrainians can repel us. but wouldn't be surprised if they have to give ground in places. and really this is about the summer volley for these times, which hopefully comment line. the british announcement is all about pushing the germans. the germans need to get their finger right. they've got, they're the ones with the lap or 2 tanks. there's lots of them in europe. the challenge are 2 different logistics change there in the u. k. it's it's, it's a gesture and support gesture. but i need a you say, a patrick,
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what's the end game for the west in arming ukraine with more offensive weapons? we've heard about the u. k, announcing the tanks, the day fund says, well, what is the end game with the west? so i was just coming on to this, so i think the tanks on the armored infantry fighting vehicles are by creating an armored brigade for ukraine that can be used on the summer in kendra offences. i'd expect to ukrainian tender offensive this summer is what i'm thinking. who knows how to successfully be the russians about a long time to prepare defensive lines. and there's a few things about modern warfare. we're waiting to find out such as how to precision guided munitions, work against trenches and defenses in depth, which is different from what we've seen them so far. so yeah, it remains to be seen, but we've definitely got another summer of fighting coming at least. all right, so again, my coffee in moscow, we are nearing the one year and the vice anniversary of this russian invasion. what are russians plans, you know, for santa dar and beyond, after
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a consolidated it's control of this area. are the same. but i should say to, you may know from geography it is that traffic is the biggest conference, was intended to, to tortoise and kill me just what russia needs. you feel so called to be a people in ukraine zone. ukrainian olympic leaders would believe that you create and that would be in transcript, and in one cannot make unions to deliberate from ukraine. it's reason as to be a law, to please political convenience for getting political section and majority you get empowerment. it means that you can still be democratized, and you should be new. each what raj on army is fighting cup horse. that's why it's very much supplement remitted to the point of view. i agree with my
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colleagues that was on that is expected to rush on. i mean, we'll try a temp to go forward in and those are we in tests and ukrainian army is but appearing to by western muslims to be ready for that. i think it gives us an army in the middle of free and now it's a maximum. it is ation the ukrainians in ukraine and also i think a lot of offensive we've been that it was a you could any and i mean so, okay we're, we'll see is it is all would be that we will really because for from our side is true okay, michael, in ukraine, there's been a substances change in the type of weaponry the us and its allies are providing ukraine. how will this been? how do you see the conflict evolving in the next few months as we near the, the one year anniversary of russia invasion?
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sure to that. but just quickly to sir is point. it may be radically a big country in the world. but why is it that they have to possibly to port hundreds of thousands of ukrainian children and women and men to rush up? why is it that they have to set lines of russian troops behind those compact fighting for a bag in a group and others to shoot them? if they start running back from the ukraine in front lines, that would be a good question for him to answer. but i think in terms of what we're going to see going forward is there's a very big difference now in terms of western support for ukraine's up hurts. i think the, the leaders in western capital have grown the spine to send these main battlefield tanks and very heavy duty fighting vehicles. but also there is a realization follow that this is no longer a war limited to ukraine. russian missiles have violated model, been aerospace, not far from here. a by the way, many times missile fragments a following to poland plus the knock on effect of the migration of the. ready what,
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but as ation of food weapon is ation of energy. so kind of my main point here is that there is a realization in the western capital is that if mister put and, and his forces are not pushed back now for good, that russia low temped grabs on ukraine again and surrounding territory and attacked other nato countries as well, so they should have done it earlier. there were a lot of warnings, but finally, i think the tide has turned. and i don't think, given the rod and the d product and corruption on the russian side, they're having to mobilize combat, excel homeless people. that they have much chance against what. ready awaiting them right now. ok gentlemen, we will need it there. unfortunately we are running out of time. thank you so very much for a very interesting discussion. michael berser, i q survey my call and patrick very, thank you very much for joining us and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again anytime by visiting our website at al jazeera dot com for
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