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of helping the rioters people great out. if you wouldn't digest your pony french, many officers were collaborating with writers. when any people in the military police were complicit. many people from the armed forces here inside were complicit . i am convinced that the door of the plan, alto palace was opened so that these people could enter because there was no door that has been broken down. additional rioters are expected to be charge, and brazilian authorities are also investigating who helped finance and plan be attack or so now to left brazil, before lol. as inauguration and his in florida on a diplomatic visa. but with brazil supreme court investigating his role in the riot and growing calls to revoke his u. s. visa, the former president, a soon have to return home to face his accusers, monica inactive, al jazeera, re edition nero. ah,
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i was take you through some of the headlines here and al jazeera, now at least 14 people, including ukraine's in syria minister and his deputy of been killed in a helicopter crash near ukraine's capital beer craft fell near a kindergarten. a child is among the dead for 1000000 foot. julie took a show very, we just hurting explosion. we ran out my daughter, ran to get my grand daughter, who goes to the nursery. we took her, everything was on fire over the atmosphere. nicola griffith natasha bottler was at the scene. the emergency rescue teams out there at the scene. they are picking through the debris a short while ago. there was a bit of activity. some people thought they might still be someone inside, but that isn't the case. it has been a terrible morning. we know that this helicopter crash just off the 8 o'clock in the morning. local time on board 9 people. 6 talk a government officials, including the interior minister and his deputy. there were 3 crew on board. all of
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them have been killed and then in this kindergarten and around we knows at least 2 children, possibly 3 children have been killed. also, russia is foreign minister, gay lab of accused western countries of waging a proxy war against moscow through ukraine. at a news conference he compared the u. s. and e 's policies towards russia with hitler's treatment of jews. smalley, president, husband, chair, 100, as announced the 2nd phase of an operation against the sha bob, the country's allies, to the kia and the u. s. will be backing the offensive to liberate areas. under the 5 is control of philippine code is acquitted. nobel laureate, journalist marietta, ether on tax evasion, charges rights group say the case is part of a larger crack down the media. freedom that began on the former president was 3 go to task day, all the nurses in the united kingdom of pressing
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on with that 2nd strike and as many mum so demanding higher. hey, is the cost of living sol? patient have been warned to expect disruption to health care services on wednesday and those the headlines. the news continues after the stream layla has been done before, can be done even better as long as a human being is doing it. you can do it, no matter how possibly it looks it's you to put in the effort to put in the lock and you still have to be patient with me. i am the captain exiles and me a soccer team can them or so at this he spent which we are ice okey team in easton, central africa, the as the i surround sla, focusing pretty well, we had managed to play in some international games then when covey gaming the async was closed and it's the only i think in the country.
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i welcome to the stream i'm at much habit dean tourist destinations are competing for business again. now that the worst of the crone of ours, pandemic seems to be behind us, and people are traveling more and more. but local, say, the renewed popularity of short term home stay rentals through platforms such as air b and b and verbal is pricing them out of their homes as landlords and developers try to cash in. today on the stream, we'll look at how short term holiday rentals are affecting communities. joining us for today's discussion, we have mar santa maria. var us is, she's an urban planner and co founder of the 300000 kilometers per 2nd agency. she's joining us from barcelona. 3 carla, as coffee is a housing rights lawyer and director at the human rights center of the free law school of one today. and murray cox is founder of inside air b and b,
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a data driven project that looks at the impact of that platform on residential communities. he's in new york, and you can join today's conversation through youtube, send us your comments and any questions for our panel. now i wanna get right to it, carla, i want to share a clip with you from a video story, my colleague manuel at apollo, filled in november. he filed this, rather i should say, that really illustrates the problem specifically in mexico, in it we hear a woman really talking about the fact that our b and b is quite frankly kicking her out of her home. take a listen. i miss compliment yogato demonstrators in mexico city. bizarre math wanted out there, protesting against rising costs of housing off and go in and look at the increase in rent and housing prices is negatively effecting as, as a local community. this woman has asked us not to reveal her identity out of fear of reprisal. she says the housing crisis goes beyond increasing prices. after her
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apartment building signed a deal with the home share company, air b and b, she was given 5 days to move out. she says short notice evictions are becoming common place across the city. but am i fell in love with and this is a matter of human dignity. how can someone come to your home in the evening and say you have 5 days of the kate? what do they expect us to do? of course, the mayor of mexico city actually strike a deal with air b and be there, back in the day. i'm curious, how is things evolved and when you make of those concerns, ollander? well, to understand this concern, we have to fairs on their sand, of course air b and b is not the region of all the problems of housing and urban cities right now . it's not the unique problem. if maybe not the biggest one, what i do think is a deal breaker in governments because when all the problematic of air b, m b arrives to a cd, it shows how the government on their son is the house in trouble on. also,
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how willing they are to guarantee the human rights of housing. what happen, mexico. cd is that of course the appearance of air b and b hot challenges. the housing of a lot of people am. if people get that then i'm up lation. but also what happened is that it shows how the house in politics in mexico had been running, for example. and right now in all mexico, no, just mexico, cd only am 58 percent of the a least things of the rentals has to read and contract. that means that the mass of the population, and sorry that 50 percent doesn't have reading contracts, that means the most of the population, they don't even have a paper that show that they hop right of phenom, right? so you can imagine how deep is that when appears something like b. yeah, i do, these, these kind of history are really am sad and terrible in medical. and i see,
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you know, mar, you're nodding as we hear what the situations like go, city, we know, or i know i should say, didn't barcelona? recently? we've seen the, the city really take regulation seriously make threat directly to air b and b. but as we heard, you know, car, the thing, it's not just air b and b that brought about this problem. what can you share with us about sort of the scale of the problem in barcelona and what they're doing right? to address it. i think that we, we will arrange a fine way to way we would try not to, to address the problem directly in our so the city council has set up these these set of regulations. but the program goes beyond an odd evictions beyond the idea that we not, we replace a population by by another. no. it has also impacts and direct impacts not under services in cities. so we are losing indices to center of our seller now, grocery shops and the shops we need for our neighbor to not to perform and every
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they life now. so they impact, i think, what it's important that they bugs go beyond. it's a new phenomenon that ev 5 years ago now, and i think it's really important that more a for me to it's going to know. i know that murray, it's here today because we having using he said he the data that they are providing actually to quantify the phenomena because it's the phenomena that we don't know how big it is. no. and if we the know how to quantify it, we cannot add react now and we cannot provide some value sam, that's of that. i mean, that's a perfect segue. i appreciate a data is critical, not just in this situation, but murray, particularly when we want to just understand what the actual problem is or problems that are compounded by some of these phenomenons that we've seen, like digital nomads and what have you, what comes to mind what is the data teaching you? not just about barcelona mexico, but the city across, you know, this phenomenon across the world. maybe you're paying more,
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right sir. so the data shows really clearly that people are not using air b and b just to share their a room in the house. most people are using are being be a host to rent their entire home, whether they're renting and temporarily when they're away or they're renting it permanently. and also many hosts the building, the property portfolios where they have multiple properties on everybody. so it, it is really important, every city is different whether the, the type of tourism, the type of housing, the other types of issues that they have. and so it's really important to use data to quantify how many of them they are there, or how does that compare both in number and the types of rent or the types of income that people are getting. the incentive to use every and b. i just want to
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add one although although short term rentals and they might not be the biggest problem with housing it's, it can sometimes be the easiest problem to address gentrification and other other types of was for example, the rising cost of housing that there, how to to address the regulating ebi can be quite easy. a political will, right? and, you know, when we talk about political, well, i want to ask you, you know, and i should probably say in full disclosure that we reached out to b and b. they provided this statement, they say over the last decade or b and b has worked with cities around the world to put in place regulations that balance the economic opportunity. short term rentals create while also protecting housing and supporting local tourism issues as well as housing as well as over terror tourism they say are complex and nuanced issues. and we will continue to work with governments around world to offer solutions that help support the
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responsible and sustainable growth of travel. now, i have to ask you, it's a lot of words in my mouth right there. but you know, air b and be sort of claiming if i'm not mistaken, you know that the majority of hosts on air b and b share just one home. and that, unlike other short term rental platforms, they work closely as you heard here to develop the sort of advanced regulatory frameworks. murray, you're kind of sharing a sneaky kind of smile there. what do you make of this statement? i mean, is it true that in good faith they are sort of leading the charge if you will, in terms of trying to address the issue? well, i'd like to make 2 points. so i, i do agree that the newest issue, every and b is not cooperating with cities that they're fighting cities. they've got a team of lawyers, the boss alone or the regional, local and regional court in the european court. the same thing in new york city,
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the to the city a multiple times. so i don't agree with that. there was also, there was a claim in the statement that the majority of hosts only rent one. so that's technically true. but in many, many city then, and i'll quote from us data in the united states, 63 percent of the listings are on the type of property portfolio. but at the same time, the majority of host, the host only have one property. so both of these things can be true of the same time, and the fact that they brought, they said the majority of hosts only have a single listing. that's because a small number of homes have a massive number of listing in the u. s. the one percent of hosts, they control 300000 apartments across across the country. right. and so i don't
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think that being, i don't, i don't think they're acting in good faith and then misleading. they try them to lead up the public. and what are your thoughts? go ahead, go ahead. now, the numbers as well in spain. go ahead. everyone wants to talk about whatever be and i'm not surprised. go ahead. just to let i last going to do one more. it was saying we have the same feat, worse for spain, not bad. it's not becoming air. it's an economic activity that we are like mixing with housing and that, that in denver, fibrillation, it break it, it breaks all the social bags that we're, we're use all the tools that we have to address the problem that it's becoming really, really difficult to, to, to regulate and, and to control and, you know, carla, when, when, and before i come to you, i want to share with you a video from our colleagues at a j plus which really highlights the general tensions that are growing in mexico.
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not just because of the popularity of digital nomads and you know what the mayor did there, but even things that go beyond that, take a listen to this, but this is what some mexicans are calling modern colonialism. that influx of americans moving to mexico city to take advantage of lower living costs. other locals are calling it gentrification. a plague or even an invasion. why? oh, you're thinking of moving to mexico, sleep wow. non single termination. dot com. gentrification is the name of the game . some locals have benefited from increasing tourism for many that doesn't balance out rising costs in inflation. mexicans are also set up with americans ignoring cultural and social norms in some complained and certain places is more common than spanish. carla, does mexico have laws that specifically protect tenants?
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i mean, what's the public housing situation like there? and based on that video, i mean this perception of this being an invasion how real is bad and who's paying the price. ok about the idea else. i mation that problem that we have just them. so in this video, i think it's true, but it's like just watching one more leave from a star war on believe that you understand the whole story. because i think that what we're seeing is like one episode of really large and history of gentrification, housing problems in mexico. of course, the appearance of people and digital know much from us on other countries from europe to mexico has became, you know, problematic because obviously the other rush of the middle class and us has more income than the others of the middle class in mexico city. that's true,
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but where they are and moving to our neighbors, that has already been in general education process. i mean, all these process, all these problematic a start with mexicans, with more income than other mexicans. what we are seeing is people from us that are using this problem, a process just like jumping up on the train. what is like a larger it's story. and i think that, yeah, this is a problem. we can just like them thinking we're blind them, that we are not understanding that people from us have more income. some people from mexico. what at the same time i don't think it's up for itself on immigration problem. i never, i think that immigration is never a problematic. what happened is that they come to mexico with mark um, but also they come to see the on a country without, without a real house in politics. i already said we have even problems with some basic
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us having reading contract. so it's not just saying that all our people from us is part of the dynamic would we have to talk about what the government has not doing in the life? 45 and in mexico just for legend. 2 mexico is right, and i'm finished with this point mexico, the 1st country in the war that it has our constitutional weight, social rights including housing. but the thing time and their health in politics in us is stronger, are more guaranteed that a, the mexican one. so it's like are really trying to really are what is our reality so right. we have, we have to feel them was a forward and i want to share with everybody. this is a reality that's not just happening in barcelona and mexico and new york murray where you do a lot of your research and work, but people in our chat on youtube really, i are very inspired by this topic. for example, i want to share with you sonny who says i live in
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a tourist area. you can find plenty of air b and b's for 1000 a week, but rentals for residence almost nonexistent, richer city, people buy here to a local, get priced out as taxes go up. so you know this narrative not unique to these places. i have a question, i'll put it out there, maybe mar or marie, feel free to answer this but garbage girl. thing in our chat on youtube. are there any countries currently that we should be looking to as goals for regulating stuff like this? murray, i know that bar loaners doing some things. right. what's your answer? yeah, i think many cities have been thinking about and dealing with this problem for some time by phone. as a good example. other example, the amsterdam, they only allow you to rent out your primary residence, residence and no more than 30 days in the year. new york city has
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effectively band short term rental except except if your, if the host is present so they can rent out rooms. so there, there are good examples of cities that have regulated air b and b. and so there are other templates, every land power, paris had some good regulation. sure. mar. what do you, what do you think? i mean barcelona is hale that the city that's taking this seriously. what, what can you to share with us about what's working there, but then also in your mind, i mean i'm, i'm curious. do you think that it's possible to have, you know, a sustainable tourist destination that's truly vibrant that have tours coming in, but that's protecting it's residence? yeah. do to respond to the 1st or the 1st time how barcelona drastic it aids of really technical a way of doing. but am, we are not regulating the number of days that you can stay in the prior month,
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the number of days that you can rent it. but actually we are at the like the city council. we finally meet of an amber of, of, of rental apartments that we'd quit coughing to city and also we, we booked like a kind of ghost was number. i'm from back to now we cannot go beyond not. and that result into core as an a strategy that it's really based know on, on an on objective for a meter. so now at, at the moment under these regulation it's, it's actually not, it's, it's, it's working and i see that to pine, now air of all know, and i, it very much related to, to do that to do these idea of node or to these example offer mexico, we are, we are supposed to have a really not as other european cities are, that alone we are really of, of host a housing policy. and that means not that, and we are trying to address is accessibility to housing as a city. but we have
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a problem with that which a we had a really attractive sitting, you know, we have a really cheap airport. that means now that these digital nomics want to be in barcelona so that it's putting us in a situation where we have this tension between 2 global or global paulson and another one. you know, and i do want to share just in full transparency. i've spent the last few months living in barcelona, and one of the touristy area is called elburn. and obviously the city than i, i understand the appeal about why people are attracted to it. but just to emphasize that point that you made more of that, you know, there has to be a balance that is working for all parties. and hopefully that's not only prioritizing tourism or any, any sort of industry. i do want to share with our audience a video from natasha. the name a colleague of mine here at al jazeera from about a year ago, right. highlighting sort of the trend that the city's been struggling with. let's take a look initially, carlos barrel cow thought he and his mother would leave quiet leap as his neighbors
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had for 25 years. they've called this 4 bedroom flat in barcelona home. that he realised finding another apartment anywhere in the city for the $685.00 a month, they've been paying is impossible. he's been fighting eviction for the past 4 years . i think that by the day, this is affecting me emotionally. i my mother, even more, i've had to distance her from all of the struggle because of her illness. but it's impossible to do that completely. you know, i keep seeing these videos, i keep hearing these sort of stories that sound similar and i can't help but wonder if, if really one of the things that needs to happen is to refrain how we discussed this issue. both in barcelona and mexico and everywhere. we have a housing activist from mexico, carla, that sent us a video where she sort of suggest that this phenomenon really needs to be recognized and framed as a human rights problem. i want to get your thoughts after this. take
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a look. government masa dressed as a complex problem link with real estate dynamics, labor markets, migration, and demographic changes. not just sat through the consequence. that is why there are no steps to follow. we have to back to basics on the star reco, amazing dis balloon as a human rights problem. it could be surprising, but many countries just recognize them as a financial instrument. general recommendations are creating addiction containment mechanisms restricting the number of flowers on these platforms. given tenure security, they bring far more contrast between tenants, alerts and taxing owners and tourism. carla, what do you think? well, i agree with michael lee. good colleague, maria adela, and i to believe that am here in mexico, maybe another conference. i know that their discussion in spain, for example, is a little bit different. but for example, in mexico, i think no one's almost no one in dow with about that. how thing is that?
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you want to write this struggle? it is about what does it mean housing, us like human rights. a lot of people say dad, m housing us the human rights mean the right to buy a house. it, it means if you have been comes to buy a house, that's your right. and as the housing am right, but a lot of people think that a housing is also all the options on all the efforts of the government. yeah. to achieve asagwa that no, once an estate on the streets and that has a space for a hobby, them. so that's his problem right now in mexico. no, and i appreciate you, friend me not. i just want to jump in for audience to, to just highlight something i found interesting, which is that the mayor and mexico recently, i believe, said that there is no link between rental of struggles and air b and b is presidents. and i think that, that, that, that's important, that we kind of, you know, i have friends for example, who've traveled to mexico. they're, they're talented artists. there are entrepreneurs. and obviously they were attracted to the cheaper standard of living, but a really good quality of life. and a rich cultural diversity of mexico on carla,
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are they the problem? i mean, i can't help but wonder like, you know, are, is that a desire to go after the pandemic and maybe build the business in mexico rather than new york city? is that that alone a problem? i mean, i think that will be a really simplistic answer. i think that human might know simplicity, questions perhaps but but where do you think? sorry, not now, but i understand. yeah. but i don't think it's as complete as because a lot of people, sorry, a lot of people don't know, you know, they, they're there, there may be watching the show or they're reading some article in there. like maybe they have a conscience and they're there. they're worried, oh my god my, the problem like no but, but as of yet i think that the answer all become a simplistic but another question. because as i told you, this is not a problem just of us in mexico because there are some mexican people dar, gentrifying, some mexican neighbors. so even a rich mexican can go to us and gentrify, a neighbor in some city. i mean,
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the question here is, am, how do we have rules on m as specific as sanders? she'll achieve the goal that they're housing and the city is bry, your eyes as secure. right? and we guarantee that no one is going to lose their house because these economic activity and at the same time and leave that people to have these activity is not impossible, but it's on right in discussion, even in barcelona, that they have do a lot of m m, big tories in that eastern your struggle is a new discussion. we're just like maybe 10 years with this discussion and that's why we're having this discussion. i want to give you the last word, mar, anything to share quickly with our audience. before we run out of time here, very quickly, i just came back to your last question, how we are going to i imagine that we are going to be an unsustainable student. buddhism destination in the, in the next years i explanation my life fine. not bad to learn, i think get, we have been really attractive. now we have these for him, we still use them. we have leverage. colby, how much were,
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were dependent on these to you do is a activities and how we need to change. actually another way we survive now as a city, but then we are going to have climate change. we are going to have heat waves. so the also the interactions between c, d, 's ya, a no, and the at the, the areas that i used to be attractive in the future. i want to change right. and and with so much changing since cove it alone and i would anticipate many more changes to com. it's certainly a good point that we need to be prepared for all those changes. i want to thank you marie. carla mar for being with us today. this is an important conversation we're gonna continue to be watching here at the stream. it's all for today, but remember, you can always find us online at stream dot al jazeera dot com. thanks for watching . ah,
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