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or are they necessary to stamp out this information? this is inside store. ah. had a very welcome to the program. i'm nick clark, so plans by the indian government to stop the spread of fake news on line and making headlines themselves. proposals include giving a state run agency, the power to decide what's false, and what's not the critic say it gives the government new powers of censorship, limiting media freedom, and putting journalists at greater risk of prosecution. while the proposal is an amendment to a 2021, lauren is at the consultation stage and it gives the ministry of electronics and information technology. the power to prevent social media platforms from publishing, anything deemed to be disinformation decision on what qualifies as fate news would
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be made by the press information bureau, which is a government agency. the editors guild of india says proposal amounts to media censorship and will stifle government criticism. take talk and more than 300 chinese apps have been banned with the government, citing data security concerns, the popular video game pub g, has been blocked for the same reasons. the all right, so let's bring in, i guess, now from new delhi, we are joined by shipler, who's a journalist and the founder of news bred website and move by we have run a, she's a global opinions writer at the washington post. and then usually we have an and nasa who is the general secretary of the editors guild of india. i should just say we did reach out to the governing b. j. p. party, but nobody was available. so let's press along. will welcome to you will and shook
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life. i may start with you. so 1st of all, so this move, do you support it? and if so, why do you think the b j p think it is necessary? i think we need to 1st to understand whether the media is being blogged or whether the intermediaries of social media are being a device to take on news visually feel good cause trouble. and which is a fake news. now b, i b, that is best information bureau which has been tasked which has effect checking unit since 2019 not day on their own. do not have enough men to kind of monitor or send. so the spread of news, which most of us find every day and over social media exchange, but you feel are not right? not a censorship of media. it is just advisory by the government to do the intermediate
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use of social media that they should pull up their socks and been there is a fake news which would cause undressed. and we know there have been multiple instances in recent years, which we would come to later, where fake news has been spread and kind of inflamed to cause unrest. wireless lives had been lost. and in most cases, say in bought cases where we have borders in violence in been going on in german. gosh miller, it could be security issue as well. okay. yeah. i be let me just let me stop you there. i'm going to bring and run a now run on. what do you make of what you've just heard? there is a need for fate. news on social media is there, it is destructive and it is potentially harmful to society. but to begin with, i think the must acknowledge that into a has a very big misinformation and disinformation problem, like most democracies around the world which are dealing with nuisance and not just
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the editors good. but also that, did they keep up? does this list that you were digital publishers has come up with a very, very strong statement which, which recognizes that there is upgrade of fake news as my previous the previous speaker right acknowledged that there is a problem. that fake news is leading to community tensions in india, where fake news is leading to narratives are against people. but given that there are no checks and balances, you know, you have given arbitrary, bothers to somebody to decide what is fake, who decide, especially when many members of the ruling party themselves have been fact checked by fact. taking that sides or the last couple of years every all day you see a member of the government, big fat chick. the has seen that big news and watch that forwards. instagram. big dog has been one of them are actually black counsellor. big news is why do a lot of times to target are minorities, communal situations,
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activist descent bills. jonas, we are dealing with a misinformation problem, but instead of dealing with the problem, what we have got here is that is giving all the to the bible is i believe, who a normal agency which was now decide what is weak and what does not weak and by if you will, end up sensing news and journalists who you might not agree with. that's what my bigger field is, what our checks and balances seo. and that is my bigger concern in a, you know, when jonas in india have been at the doctor at the receiving end of the government in the us. no. or the one to it position from one. what a 2nd. in the book, chris freedom indexed at this point of time in that keys, which is why i believe both the it does good or the did you bob or the jaundice probably who of at least they had concerns about it. i think i did absolutely little concern. we have to be with the med of big news, but this is not the right approach. alright, you mentioned the,
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this is gilbert. speak to the general sector and i'm not going to the media. the media should have freedom of expressions as a government, but not freedom of a distortion. so let me, let me pick up from it on a mentioning the trip i was given to the id. so let's understand what is the rule of breast information bureau, even you shouldn't be set up by the government to give information on the fact that it is sort of a, b r form, which tells you, can we get large on the activities of government organizing? actually this conferences, so on and so forth. power to regulate news has been given to you just see which is not authorized to do that. so 1st continental, our issue is that this problem, the sweeping powers without any procedures, without any mandate, without any strictly empathy for it, has been given when it didn't. the course work is to get information about government activities to news media. but that's the fundamental problem. and then there are problems relating the procedures set up,
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but those are all going to be the fund a major problem in net also keep in mind press information, go to the doctors of emergency was the agency that was in getting incentive, they will be sent to shipping news, media, the newspapers and magazines which were under that list at the 1st get the point in verified by the sense of the roof will be allowed to publish the news that was declared emergency. what the government now has done has taken, you know, sort of has it impacted and undecided bits. and censorship has been given to the subsea mckenzie, which was so interesting, you know, exciting that arbitrary bob back then. and that is the thing she says. now this is akin to send to ship, isn't it? the determination of what is all? what isn't fake news should not be down to a government body. it should be down to an independent body. surely i do not know what is a problem here. i'm really confused now this
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b i b thing which one of my fellow speaker has pointed out doesn't have to be this fact checking unit whether be a be, was stablished in 2019. it was done after that. government introduce that scheme of me, but we are younger through to, to be kind of invited to join me for a specific period of time. and misinformation led to huge orleans and they're ready . we're the scheme which everyone has come to acknowledge and all was kind of attempt was made to read it. what are the fighting here? you see the b, i b on it's on cannot glam, don't i mean, how do they clam down on us? what they're seeing is that the intermediaries are to be a why is to take, don't fake news. it is not the mainstream media or the journalists who are being censored. it is the watch sub group like the ugly. but after that, you put scheme was really witness those violent scenes around the country. some
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$25.00 boss group or what's up group were found to be propagating foss, inflammation, and which was talking the bullets. and similarly, we haven't sensors very recently when the government on multiple youtube channels trying to cause undress and you're trying to cause so misinformation, i understand or forgive me for interrupting. but the bottom line is the question i post use. why can it not be an independent body independent of the government? because otherwise it's very easy to make the criticism. this is about controlling public opinion in the government's favor, we all know how sensitive issue of social media is. so why not just make in the body? you see, even if you make a body, this be a bad thing which is in the bone of contention at the moment in its own dick, i'll kind of monitor the entire social media. it is not kind of some overreaching dystopian, nobody but which is trying to monitor what is happening on social media,
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which nobody could do it. in fact it and weiss, people like you and me and everyone has to pitch and where they feel some information is being fed, which is not good, which is wrong. see, fake news must be stopped. and who does it now? you said you'd appoint an independent body which decide and which they are not asking the newspaper. so take down the news report. we had instances been news. newspapers are told that this urban news is fake, or this nice gratification that the newspapers duly carry the according and am, if some mutual kind of interactive ting. and that's why the people's free numbers not been curb. they can do whatever they want. but in case there is a clear case of oil ish and there's a kick is off tranquil stalk trouble in every will at a low or atmosphere and games and hugely populous country. all the government is saying that intermediaries, please take it down in terms of use means facebook, social media or other social media. i sent one router. let me bring
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a run over. i run, i can see that you want to come in. no, i was just a little amused because i'll be on, you know, if you like the a living in ideal way in india. unfortunately, they're not living in idaho in india. they are living, i could die. and then most of the mainstream news channels had become enablers. of propaganda, then that doesn't mean that they be beans, every article, globally as propaganda. so when something like this comes into picture, why are we not to be why? and i got mainly been everything critical. i speak news, then how, how is why ashanti? i been what and then was was the ranking pointing out how i be assured that as media in india, especially independent media, which already be on the brand of the government. when, when it spokespersons of the government have coined us agents of all sorts of means on how are we to be assured that today the government is not using this new cook critical studies?
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we're talking about what's up all words, the kind of whatsapp boards that come to us in the pony off. we buy members of the ruling party that in their ready nature are big. we will, the government do any intersection of its own building, government stop, big news, which is being fed by its own party officials. i mean, if you, if you got any, if you got any factor in that i, before i came under the show, i check on the news boom, life and 2 other factoring websites. some of the top tactics, news stories may not be to be spokesperson leaders. so why should we not be bought it in a concrete bad journalists? are the new enemies of the state? i think we have every reason to be valid because like, i mean has pointed out that this and the b i, b, which is a body which is absolutely like a b r body of, of, of the government. it's for the pope was it looks like is to sanitize the news that the government wants and this is, i feel like it should not be seen in isolation on amendment to the of the drop
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amendment should not be seen in isolation. very recently, the nominates in india as a why is the supreme court collision that it was one of its own members of the government to be a part of the supreme court will issue. so they are trying to have this independence and all independent bodies, and it's a bad done, which is why it's equally vonny for all of us. ok, that's actually i'll let you come back to in a 2nd. and i just want to come to gina, is there enough support around to counter this proposal to, to not allowed to pass. so let me discuss correct. what are she said that he is going to listen to? this is an advisory that we have you will give. this is not an advisory. the wording of the amendment is very clear that all intermediaries will take a reasonable efforts to bring down the content. so it is a take down, it's almost an instruction and a mortgage on that as well. yeah, i think i think just be very clear that the inspection is to take it, don't put nothing short of taking it down. it includes all intermediaries,
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not just social media platforms, it also includes google, it of lewis. so into media sites. so it has a frederick cox blanche sweeping part, was given to be id. secondly, you know the problem, of course, and the 2nd problem, what she pointed out that the be doesn't have the strength to sort of such an even if, even if somebody was given this kind of one party, we know that the government to use the selectively. what and i said they will speak to some kind of news. they will not be on kind of you. but anyway that's, that's again, a 2nd level problem. the question is, why wouldn't this be done with an existing body, which is an independent board or something like this come to look into, which is of course, the traditional body responsible on the parliament in which even what he doesn't have the authority to take don't want it, they can should have been a month, they can issue fine. whatever has been the procedures even the section 16. i mean,
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i could tell the followed a lot of blocking, pointing the supreme court judgement in the famous story i think will come up with that with the, with the, with the judgment that follow to lockdown has to be at the back of a very elaborate procedure but even the person, the nature of one thing is given a chance to prevent and then also there is a very elaborate procedure. this one is a very simplified feature given to a body which is part of the executive. furthermore, because ultimately mentioned not to be any authorized, any type of central government, which we don't know what it would mean, it goes to come plus any fall good take don't with respect to business and central government. basically it's giving a for it to be id audience to decide don't you know, any of the 40 which is regarding interface can also be brought down. ok says, is it just you think we need to move it on, but actually just just briefly respond to that if you would festival shipler. i
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personally feel that much of louis is being done on, on an on existing issue really in the sense that who is being heard here. if the media who controls the media, who controls the wrong news, which could cause which could cause lives to be lost. families to be destroyed and it bodies seeking advice on we only the citizens or leader tell us where the news a minute. it is not the newspapers, which the central government attacked. okay, i mean, all right, have you made this this point before? so let's, let's move on now. you mentioned newspapers i, she's, you would, i think agree that an independent and free press is the hallmark of any more than democracy, right? yep. has india got one right now? i think india has been a phenomenal, a lot of free of breast we have. i personally feel i had been in england recently.
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i was in england last month and i couldn't access a lot of websites and nobody marries issue in the craig about the freedom of press or not chris being muzzled. i in india has india has a good, a free press. okay. that, that's the thing that's of the answer on i just want to bring in arizona to, to respond to that. now because she's keen to jumping serona, i said, what, what do you make her go? will you ask? yes. is it possible for you to ask? are she that as a journalist? does he not find it probably might be that the prime minister of the bliss, largest democracy, has not been a single best conference in the last 80 us. i need to understand what kind of press freedom is this. i need to find out if the jaundice consider the cup was been behind, but for the last 2 years, i'm the general charges and money laundering judges. what a story did not report. i want to see what kind of mislead. hm is that i was looking to get the jaundiced listing and he's always been behind bars. who was new upon the biggest is he has been, he has been behind, but for the last 7 months on charges of terrorism. what are you going to press?
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we don't have a docking of, i'm sure. glad. i mean, i believe it, you would agree with me that the prime minister of the country needs to address the media in the us. if you are not a single best conference, i'm sure we are decent journalist right. ok, thanks ronald, i should respond to that means nice. if i think it's done tired of is is hinting on whether the prime minister is as a media or not or opens himself to media or not. i think it is just been too touchy and, and shrinking real read all we're on the issue now. consider while it is not consider this manuel hansing for 8 years not even opened his mouth over where was the hue and cry about those years of congressman mon, muncie never did. just mediate all, even now he's rude. i'm that you look at the was the man is doing media has been telling me, has been seeing things to more di and about more the rich sure is lake girl, a burning oil in once year. i mean that they are abusive there and,
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and there has been no punitive action taken by this government to say that media is being muzzled by and board. the vendor has been no instance. i mean that the state government would her run or tell me, or what would she say was happening and being all win montero and her g was pulling people from all the wasn't until now. i didn't want to luckily, and i didn't that the media. why listerman? one thing over the goal is doing the colgate and getting the duty i'm going to are they scan when i am i said beginning died investigation on the i make investigation in india? no, i don't know. i am young and rosa, now from these news people, as i, as frankly to on use of the washington post may recently with the investigation on dea danny's i wasn't. i also am very much of the ended that crucial stories and i'd be not given the yesterday with the means. the media has not reporting. you want to give me something that you like. do you not? what i mean for media is anything his extension of the gun me as is to say just
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where the 2nd i do this. i mean you are less ashes, just one second. i wanna get a run just to talk about one thing just very briefly cuz we're running out of time really got 3 or 4 minutes left of the show. just tell us very briefly kind of things that have happened to you as a result of your reporting. well, i think what thing to me is just next week, i have my book or summons on next monday. i will go to someone for an article i wrote in 2009, but acquisition against me, me a tooth number 2 with i'm a practicing muslim, hence, prejudice. in my observation, i have, i have been if i had to just do it against me in the state of good, not to go pull up your apartment b and b, b c may. i'm a cute that my television appearance, hospitalized in the, on the lines of community on and basically i'm polarizing indians on community lines. i have been, i find out against me and god, where i have been just wanted to beat. but i'm
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a mac user splitting fake news. well, exactly. what i did was published by almost every news publication. i've at least 7 different cases that i'm dealing with right now. i really want to live in the same one, mister artesian lives. unfortunately, i don't, i guess it doesn't sound like a thriving arena of media freedom. know the one thing which, which, which are anna hasn't pointed out is i'm not saying that she really embezzled the money she had gathered for the public cause. but there has been, we have been hearing about the money which was collected from public funds and which accounts don't add up. so here we don't want to get into the specific issues, specific issues here. actually. i mean to me because i need to move across guys, we just need to stop the 2nd. i need to move across to our next when you got a couple minutes left. and it said, your overview of the, the state of press freedoms on the whole in india, tell us where we're at. so,
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you know, picking up from one i was mentioning, the number of pieces that we launched against, or i see this as a structural problem. it is picture of the government or the party and the problem . the reality is that in getting media based on a very cumbersome legal framework, where there are enough and more exceptions to what speed which have been, which have been given enough to make the right, it says in the constitution that they're ranging from so, but entity dual trinity to have speeds and so on, it's community violence on and so forth. and it is an elaborate section of loss of speech laws, speech laws, committal defamation, official secrets act. you will be a solution that isn't which of important the band last year by the supreme court. but the reality is these laws are used very liberally by whichever government is impossible from the miss. i'm respectful of it from our north. and yes, there are instances where governments have been extremely rec, when you were using is lot because police comes under the jurisdiction of
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a state government. and this is a problem that comes in the government are parties. and the reality is the media and the very vulnerable, extremely cumbersome legal system which makes the current law even more problematic because there are already nothing more laws that are used every day. press freedom, including independence like it or not. but the other one which are more and on top of the government just missing the even more easy legally. and especially is, is using those laws with greater advantage or money of priests or no doubt. these discussions could continue for many more hours, but unfortunately run out of time. we do appreciate that. thank you so much for joining us. thank you to i guess run your as she's sure and i'm not. thank you so much and thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by visiting our website outage or dot com. and for further discussion gay to our facebook page, that is facebook dot com forward slash
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