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this is inside story with hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. turkish swedish relations again in the spotlight that softer a fall. right activist, destroyed a copy of the koran. outside the turkish embassy in stock home on saturday. police didn't intervene when was most was painted on who has both danish and swedish nationality addressed a small group before desecrating islamic holy book. takia cancelled a visit by sweden's defense minister and summoned at some bassa speaking on saturday. took his foreign minister, expressed his government's anger, made zip, now in sweden,

this madman has insulted our religion won and our holy book, the koran, and has committed such acts before. this is a racist act that is also a hate crime. when we heard the news, we took the necessary steps. if you will have it all in there, get it, you know the balloon that we called sweden's ambassador to anchorage to our ministry. we made the necessary warning, or ambassador in stock home met directly with the sweetest foreign minister and conveyed our thoughts on the matter. no one called us freedom of thought. they don't allow the burning of another religious book, but when it comes to the koran and islam a phobia, the immediately say freedom of expression and freedom of thought, hate crime and racism are not freedom of thought. it is not according to swedish law and ignores it according to the decisions of the council of europe. according to the european court of human rights ruling, he crime and racism are not freedom of thought and freedom of expression. sweden has condemned the incident form and such a bias built on said it was appalling. he wrote on twitter, sweden has

a far reaching freedom of expression, but it does not imply that the swedish government all myself support the opinions expressed called belt as the former sweetest prime minister and the co chair of european council on foreign relations. speaking to al jazeera, he said the far right protest had nothing to do with the government. the swedish government has nothing to do with ever with was sort of isolated, extremely loonies or which we have. so i mean we, we're not entirely load in the world and have the loonies running around in the streets, wanted to do things and please try to say that they see that they do it at places. that doesn't cause any harm to switch. it probably doesn't really take in the note . this particular guy has been doing it several times before at several locations. and it has nothing to do with the swedish government. all the incident comes as the 2 countries navigate a series of diplomatic hurdles,

sweden and finland want to join nato, following russia's invasion of ukraine as a member of the alliance. takia can veto an application and so far has not approved sweden's request. so it is also home to a large kurdish community up to 100000 strong to care has demanded. sweden takes a tougher stance against alleged kurdish militants, such as the p k. k which has outlawed anchor also wants action taken against the large members of the glen movement, which it blames for a co attempt in 2016. ah. ok. let's bring in our guests now and in stockholm is phillip o'connor, a journalist covering social and political issues in sweden for more than 2 decades . in anchor is met k, the associate professor at hassan col younger university and a specialist on turkish foreign policy and security issues and in oxford were joined by a samuel romani associate fellow at the royal united services institute of

a warm welcome to all of you for that let's start with you and sweden's freedom of expression. is it too far reaching, allowing such a provocative act like this that many countries around the world would consider a hate crime? i think that's the big debate in sweden at the moment, laura, after the burning of the koran, as mentioned in the report, fred: prior to our discussion there, this is not the 1st time that ross miss paula dawn has done this in sweet and he seeks to go around, he seeks to provoke this kind of reaction and he's made it very much about air, freedom of speech. now, there's no sort of coincidence that he's going around burning a koran rather than a christian bible, because this is the kind of thing that he thinks is going to provoke a backlash against muslims in this country. and he is part of the movement that doesn't want to see on the bosoms in this country. so far, what he did yesterday is entirely legal. that's the way it's been interpreted in this country. freedom of speech is if the constitutional per protected right here in sweden, and it's very, very well protected. so as the foreign minister was saying that he may not agree

with what was said yesterday, but he does agree with the right to say is the problem that many people would see here. laura is that it wasn't a problem when the air poly them was going to most themselves are predominantly most of suburbs in places like green could be outside of stock. homer rosengold outside malmo, there nobody, no minister came out and said this was terrible for them for several years. was paula down was doing it. but now in the middle of the process of applying for nato membership. and when this angers, turkey, all of a sudden, the government appears to be taking much more seriously than what they did previously. the tech is foreign minister said that the countries would not allow the burning of other religious books. is that correct? or would swedish knows also allow the padding of the bible? i think it's open to interpretation. you would have to say that given that they say this about the koran will then automatically they would have to say the same thing about the bible. they would have to say the same thing about pride, flags, et cetera. there are anti hate speech laws in this country, but it's very much, you know, it's very hard to predict what way the courts are going to george and certain in

certain ways yesterday. i mean, there was probably more police and journalist there yesterday. there was spectators, and yet not one of them saw fit to arrest paula down for any sort of heresy or any sort of blasphemy whatsoever. so would appear to what he did yesterday. and not only that, he had to apply for permission to have this little gathering yesterday. so in to every extent possible, it was entirely legal. nobody intervened from the police and that, and of course, 2 of the turkish embassy was the most provocative thing. so you would imagine that in the morning of a bible would be equally tasteless, were equally the eagle under swedish freedom of expression laws as they stand and are interpreted at the moment i quit when you hear this, i mean, it comes down, doesn't it? to simply being a clash of values, would you perhaps agree that takia has over reacted to something that's happened in another country that abides by different laws. event hardly attracted any attention and to be honest, received a relatively muted response from the rest of the islamic world. laura, of course, we have to evaluate the issue in 2 different fields because 1st of all,

the location and the rent has taken place in front of the turkish embassy and is that really freedom of expression? the 2nd issue is this one, because i think respect horticultural diversity, respect to all the beliefs and religions should be also a part of putting them as well. because if you're directly start attacking to other religions, they are holding books and other things or put up it's etc. then this will go on with all the drama activities incidents as well. and this will be automatically extremism in every aspect. as we already have witness, for example, in france and in other countries also. so there is a very, very chance to balance here between the freedoms and the security as well. i think

the put them over person should and at the place when the freedom of another person has toddler. so be, should be very careful about this one. of course, the baseline on the ground for to come together together mutual agreement is should be the legal issues under regulations here. but the interpretation of the regulations may be different from the perspectives of 2 countries. and of course the to, to get real interpreted. we didn't throw in her all window, and i think she's right at the moment because turkey, nobody will attempt such an issue in front of the swedish embassy to burn a bible or something like that. then it will not be as if putting them off expression you do say though that it's whisks of provocative acts following on from that. so in the, the argument perhaps though, is that anchor is response to this act has caused much more of

a coverage of this event than that was initially that would mean that was a protest of accounts or process of some 100 people who peacefully opposed what this man was doing it really didn't gone and much of a media coverage. it certainly hasn't sparks any copycat incidence. it's only turkey's response to it that has kept the story alive. i think we should relate in this way because each and little flyer may trigger and other one in europe. so i think the government should take precautions which may have a potential to feed, although extreme it's actions for other communities. because in every concrete, there are a lot of immigrants and, and minorities. so you have to protect. they were ice also because you this start to be a clash between the cultures and religions in sweden as well. for example,

then on the one site is stomach or b r or onto your stomach moments on the other side. some problem, ignorant groups, other actions may start and then this may, you pay to other actions, destructions, grotesque, et cetera, everywhere. so i think the governments should be very careful about this one set up how much attention this was when the government actually paying to turkeys. criticism of this event, wanting to for a sense of at the moment, laura, just because of the nato application. and because of the sensitive nature of those discussions you mentioned in your introduction there, but the status of the kurdish people, i think at turkey, is trying to maximize anything that they can get from these negotiations before it eventually does allow sweden and finland to join nato. but often made a very interesting point there about fire on this small fire, maybe leading to bigger fires. one of the things that fire needs to prosper is of

course, oxygen. i'm by giving paula down the oxygen of publicity. we're actually sort of feeding the fire of what he did. again, he's done this many times before and it hasn't provoked this kind of response. in fact, people in sweden and around europe and maybe even in the muslim world, have tired of 40 was doing. i was speaking to a school child recently each i to born a koran. it's i to school at one part of the local kids, you know, to try to provoke local muslim, muslim kids into maybe doing something violent and they just ignore them. and the protest didn't happen in the end. he didn't even born the book, but boy was coming in having this discussion today. it's almost like we're giving it a credibility that it doesn't deserve. but it is something that can be used in diplomatic leverage, because tortilla holds all the cards here in terms of, you know, their maybe that's describe them as the last barrier towards finan, the sweden entering the you. and if they think the something diplomatically or politically to be gained by using the situation with paula down on the burning of the koran outside the turkey at the turkish embassy there. well, maybe that's the sort of well within the political right to do so. what us more

often had mentioned it goes risk finding the flames even further. okay. say stanley . let's look at this. let's look at the extent to which takia is using it. step per matic. leverage at the moment and the timing of its protests against what's happening in sweden because it was of course, as he mentioned in the introduction, protesting as well against a pro kurdish protest that hung up an effigy of underwent by his feet. it's kicking up a lot of fuss about this at this particular junction. why? what is the several factors here? first of all, is the domestic political factor, obviously, or no one is looking to our selections. he's looking towards political survival. and showcasing turkey is a strong actor against lama phobia across the world, especially in the western world. is part of is a domestic image i made from korea, criticized in the forgotten genocide of or against her. he yeah, indiana mar, calling in his lobby and is, i'm phobia in europe assa, he part of his brand and foreign policy edition. turkey sam position within nato is

probably quite a uniquely yes, strong. in terms of leverage. the searcy is indispensable mediator now between russian ukraine and also as a back channel between russia and the west. i was seen that there bear fruit with the black sea grain export deal was probably the most significant diplomatic, and she had been so far. the turkey feels enough, lot of cars to play with the west as trying to squeeze or sweden as much as possible in terms of making concessions on extradition of cards and other other suspects that it wants to bring back home outlet. to what extent would you accept that is to kill stalling on sweden joining nato. and why is it here? i think there are also 3 different sites on parties initial on the one site to look here, which is a member of the nato. and who holds a visa card in her hands. the 2nd is sweden and i think in sweden, also there are different parties. i also some parties i think are opposing for the

members will distribute to nato. and so we see these kind of incidence which may provoke the angle to, to k and which will support to, to kiss or position for the membership of sweden to nato. so we can see these kind of koran burning or an adult once popular hanging or those kind of protests then you went in sweden. so i think in sibley then also there is not just consensus on the membership. on the other side, we have the tours parties on the other nato members like united states of america, which use, for example, tara key turkey has a request for f, 16 fighters as the leverage. and so they say this is, these 2 issues are totally different. but i think cowardly, this is being used by the american congress and american minister reporting affairs

as a leverage airport to, to, to, to accept the membership see them. and i think when the time passed, we will see that the negotiation will take on this grant. and i think united states will agree to sell those port, the f 16 fighter certificate and to cable accept sweetness membership. tonight i think ok. ok. so that's an issue between the u. s. and turkey to bring it back to sweden tucking demand to the extradition of a number of people. who are they? ah, yeah, here normally it during the summer time, typical request, it took to 3 people. done what man it later increase the number to 40 to 60 know which from p k, k or organization. they are embedded to p k. k terrorists organization to elk beach, pro glen organization. 7, put on other left being terrorist organizations and 7 are included in these smuggling type activities. so totally 42 people are asked to be

handled over a turkey or as being the members of a different headers organizations, or has been involved with different crimes as rock, trafficking, or smuggling, et cetera. and most of these peak ok, there is organizations, managers who were involved in planning or attack activities at which a turkish people suffered l. up for more than 40 years or are among dam. he'll know sweden didn't take any step about this one. let, let's, let's find out why is that this festival, philip, to sweden, except the turkish accusations against these 42 people. and secondly, how likely is it if a tool that it will extradite them? there's a bit of a difference there, laura, between what the government thinks and what the courts think. okay, so the way the courts make their decision is very different or the way the government might, might make their decision that their decision. and you have to look at the case as

all the cases and the extradition cases. the come before the court. what people are accused of and not least if they can expect to form a fair trial when they do a get to turkey. if they are extradited there on how will they be treated? will they be subjected to torture? again, will they have the right to a fair trial to a fair defense and so on. and that's been the sticking point in many of these extradition cases. as far as i know, some have already been extradited and there are many more cases going through the chords with the sticking point has been that idea of the fair trial and whether or not they will be subjected to torture. when they get steel. the thing is that sweden has long had a reputation as a sort of a guardian of human rights. it's a place of money, a dissidence, of course, you know, from pinochet's, chile, to iraqi dissidents, to iranian distance, throughout the last 405060 years. and maybe the whole post war period. so it has been a sort of a, a have and if you like for people have different political persuasions. and again, i'm sure the kurdish people would describe the people being described as terrorist by turkey as their freedom fighters. so this is the big debate that's going on, and again, they have a very,

very high ceiling for this kind of thing. it comes back to freedom of speech and what people are allowed to do politically, i suppose, in the post 911 world, last 20 years, the war terrorists and the war terrorism has been thrown around an awful lot as country seek to position themselves diplomatically. so again, the swedish government cannot be seen to try to influence or intervene with the court system. those 2 things are entirely separate and indeed it goes hand in hand with the way they treat freedom of speech as well. that these things should be independent of one another. samuel, how sensitive is tac heat to sweep in support of the cards we'll all imagined? is it what the nato membership and hinges on? well, i think that it certainly is a factor. obviously, sir. turkey is also trying to take retribution against countries that it posed and arms embargo were critical of turkey's ass conduct against the encourage say, in syria, so peculiarly the 2019 operation p spring offensive. and that's probably kind of

a delayed retribution for that. but i think that if obviously, and there have been a fractious history of their relationship in sweden and turkeys is wanting can. but if the native membership issue was on the table, it probably wouldn't have been as significant as a bargaining chip. so i think that the need a membership is really what's driving it, but there is a history of tension and disagreements over turkish policy in syria and sweden and a general up and down that relationship and bilateral nature since 2010. yeah, i just want to come across you there laura. my apologies. i think it's very important as well to, to, to see the curtis perspective and this, because these are people distance who came here from various parts of kurdistan, who feel that they were offered to sort of, i have it here in sweden and now all of a sudden that they're being sacrificed on the altar of sweden's application to nato, because turkey wants to react in this particular way. and there's more than a 100000, maybe people of kurdish extraction here in this country. and they feel quite betrayed on thought and torn is sort of adding to both local political thing, but also the geopolitical situation with turkey is how was this question going to be handled? and yet again,

this is of so often happened in this part of the world. the chords are the center of this stone. i would talk, he has many weaker says since that it shelters within turkey. it wouldn't extradite them to china. is that not the same situation? a big look in that perspective, i think it is normal for countries to have different perspectives, but they should try to have an empathy in this case, for example, in a terrorist organization in so we that makes bumping attacks and then to, to get in touch to be a safe haven for them to leave. what might sweet regular swedish schisms a thinking about this one? so the situation is more or less the similar, but i think handing over the people or the pining them as the freedom fighters should be left to the course course. and the evidence should be evaluated in the industry. not the political realty site who will be handed over or reported. and of course,

we didn't this manner. so we have to respect for the decisions of the course for both countries. and also the sweden site should ask for the evidences. and if it's proved that these are directly involved in such terrorist him is of us, then i think the precautions should be taken legally in this way. but this is, this is, shouldn't be a kind of threat for the putting them up all other courts leaving. and so we don't show the misunderstandings should be prevented as well on the i think in this perspective with 5 say that it suits tech, yet to be stalling on sweden and finland membership to nato. as it tries to navigate a relationship between ukraine, but more critically with putin, we will see a very difficult question actually. maybe for him long now it'll be to kids getting more and more positive because in finland i think we have less members because it

took care of asking only for 6 people. but for some reason it is getting difficult every day because we see the protest and the put on vacation is increasing. actually, i think some organizations are trying to do disruption or harm to this progress. the members of sweden progress to the natal as well. so we will see because the russian war youth rate has turned out to be a real threat for some of the european countries. and that's why they do not feel comfortable for themselves. and toward a coupon many years protected and has become the prompt line at the southeastern part of the natal. that's why i think did today to, to get also wants other countries to understand 20 years shakuti good threads and evaluations as well. in their perspective about what we should look at in district, i just want to get the last point to you. do you think sweden and defend?

and we'll get granted membership and they told by turkey without them having to sacrifice the moral superiors, emerald, superpower. why does have a question? i think that there may be some sacrifices that are made on the edges like selective traditions or selective. i like that which are done by the courts. i think in general, they will probably be achieved. first of all, there's a tremendous amount of political will and i both leaders in land to get this done. they've abandoned neutrality. sweden is concerned about a russian threat to the baltic states and even to got land. the land is equally concerned about the russian product. give rocketed naval drills the gulf and land and moreover industry. those can bash old rats. sweden and finland are actively cooperating with nato on army ukraine. participating in cybersecurity exercises and also creating an integrated baltic sea front. and even if turkey's war, the sympathetic towards finland right now, freedom if it might have got to join together. but i think they alternately will join a lot of pressure from other nato states to make tricky,

gave on this or tricky. it's a marginal concessions, and hungry as expected. next month, the butch warfare we didn't went to join the alliance. i think that they're probably going to join us in bass will be resolved, hopefully in 2023. okay. it's been a great discussion. thanks very much. all august for joining us today, philip, her kona ultimate has a and some you know, romani, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a web site that's al jazeera dot com. and for further discussion to go to while facebook page, that's facebook dot com full slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, a 100 arts ha inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team half bye for now. this is a popular iraqi dish colton as school fish grid to own an open wood fire. for

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