due to the demographic shift, there's going to be a lot of things that need to change and hence not function as the prime minister said. he spent a very long time talking about young families and breaks for those who do decide to have children. and this includes like several demographics families, but also for example mothers. and i think actually this is not just to deal with the declining birth rate, which is obviously the important thing in the agenda. but it's also a little bit learning from the pandemic, because these are also some of the demographics and stuff at the most during the economic upheaval that happened during coven 19. but quite apart from that, he also specifically mentioned, for example, financial breaks. for those who have kids in schools or you know, for education purposes and so on. so there's several things that i think will be addressed in this. essentially, it is financial breaks though to make it easier to raise children. ah,

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we don't have read them in study these about 2 weeks now. i say 3 days journey to with someone destroys our country. someone needs to rebuild ah, welcome to the stream i'm at sabot. dean protests are intensifying in peru and the president is under pressure to resign amid widespread anger over the killing of dozens of people protesting the removal of her predecessor. as deena bolo, i'd say rejects calls to step down the crisis is highlighting, proves entrenched, social and economic inequalities. today we look at the divide and asked how it can be bridged. joining us for today's conversation, al jazeera correspondent,

marianna sanchez, joins us from lima. renzo eroni, a historian and anthropologist focusing on peru and the wider latin american region, joins us from new york and also in new york, eduardo gonzales, quaver, a human rights consultant, and sociologists welcome everybody. of course you can join the conversation as well . send us your comments and questions for our panel, and we'll put it straight to them. marianna, i want to ask you a with the latest. i mean, you know, we've looked at the story now for a few weeks as it's developed. i'm looking back to december when things sort of were all sparked off. i mean, what really triggered this in your mind. what's important to know? well, i think is this straight. this was triggered by the ousting of precedent for president bid. okay. see you who was going to be impeached that day. but who decided to in the trade could tie against his own

government by ordering the army to take the army and the police to take over the control of the street. and also the judiciary and especially the rest of the prosecutor, was investigating him for on corruption allegations, corruption. but i think down the down it, what happened is that when he was elected july, april of the year before it, 80 percent, i would say of people in the south of the country voted for him. and he had promised a lot of things during this time he promised after he came to office and invited me years and prefect to the presidential palace offered them

irrigation project. or agrarian reform form of the constitution and so on. and so they went back to their communities with all these promises after feel was the pressure there. so i think that what happened is that one of your left the presidency, people saw all these promises fading away. and they decided they did not want to give up to them. so many people have been talked talking to not only in the protest here in my but in the highlands of the country were a lot of people live in a very poor condition that they say, well, it's not really about you anymore. is about the promises he made to us and since we bought it for him, we want those promise. and that's why they are. yeah, that's where they're approach and marianna, as you said, that sentence, i mean both of our other guests nodded. and i want to come to you run so i mean,

it seems like people feel betrayed, not necessarily by him, but by the system they feel under represented are not represented at all. what can you share with us from sort of the rural southern indigenous perspective, the people who have been the most marginalized for decades now, what is, what do they want? what's their demand? yeah, thank you. questions? yes, maria interface about this really can moment dr. us out in december and 2022. so basically we can be conscious press the mom, but she tied the support. there's a line with the right wing congress on the military and called this evidently mentioned in the south the return that massively bought it for you during the 2021 election on what team at the beginning of the process or the most

today shows for the pending on his release from prison told us to organ because like when you promised, including a formation of the can see for especially for those people who were marginalized and a in the genome. poor people from the, from the amazon marginal, i say, for popular one sensors who hungry enough to see some structure change after the time and then devastated crunchy rental i me for interjecting if i may. i mean, i do want to come to you edwardo for your take on what we just heard. maybe if you could contextualize this 4th, but before i do marianna, we have a video report that you filed for us here at al jazeera that i want to share with

our audience. just to give us a sense, more about the context, what's going on, take a listen. hundreds of police force the way it is. oh, this university has to have to wait out protesters to stay there for peruvians who traveled to he meant to protest against proceed in dina wouldn't let it be more than 200 people were arrested. but when they were taken to the counter terrorism, police headquarters, the anger only deep. i apparently the order is not good. now anyone debrel told eduardo, as we heard this is really about inequality. this is about a deepening divide. when you see that report, when you hear edwardo, what we heard from marianna renzo, what's missing for our audience to understand. i mean, what is really contributing to this in this moment? the glue we go through very good seasons, week or 20 year old. are you going for you, marty?

are concerned about the phil on there was a combination of demonstrations and institutional changes that brought about the end of that particular you know, ask their please, maureen sil, delaware commission, that we're going to need to process history for many of the things. but i've seen that transition and the regional thing under the team is served the constitution that was written holder for you, marty a few years back. but it kept them on the model that function under for your money . so we made a confusion that we made me think in terms of human rights, but we did not change the constitution with a change of me function. so you know, wait while you want to see me, but it was what you saw in 2 years ago, right? we people who come fired the time that the been what promises to be they will get

the money, but the constitutional. so daddy's is depletion. all right, jesse, you got to bring the much money and it was the same thing. yeah. i mean, all you can will be my, you hollow eighty's. hopefully we'll see you the where the invaded in this way, but you'll notice indication are wonderful. you know, social mobility. i mean, these people who think that they don't know, probably in the lifetimes of pain economy pro, to hope that their children will, through the age of 2 schools through us. and so to see the police coming on destroying the gates, if you knew or should be accusing the people in the rest of your interest already or some sort of and you know, i appreciate you kind of explaining to us what that feels like for the people who

are watching this as this unfolds on television, on tv, internationally. we have a lot of people picking up on some of the sort of issues you talked about. castillo castillo, i should say, being only the 2nd president, born outside of lima, to be elected since 1956. and i want to talk about those deepening divides, but as the protestors now move closer and closer to lima, it seems like there is more intensity happening there. i want to share with you what one ah, activist on the ground had to say they sent us this video. this is ma 100. take a listen. the peruvian government is systematically committing human rights abuses . there are christ that this is no longer a democracy because there is no right to dissent. there is no right to protest against the government. people are being arbitrarily detained, simply for being in the general location of a process simply for being in their own homes. filming police outside of their homes, who are indiscriminately shooting directly at the bodies of protesters who are

simply passers by. people have been tear gas within their own homes, simply for yelling from their windows. stop shooting us, them. edwardo. when you hear the ways she frames that, i mean we've seen the images. we know security forces are shooting some protesters in the chest in the head. and ever since the president called the national state of emergency, it seems like not only have the protests intensified, but so have the the crack down the attempts by the police and the military if you will, to restore no security. so what concerns you most, i mean, in terms of where you think this is headed in the immediate few weeks, is there any way that the president can sort of resolve this being herself, you know, from an indigenous community, much like casteel working necessarily completely under international law, a stapleton emergency does not allow payments. here's

a simple promotion to me. are certain going to be something for the doesn't mean that the police should to kill the most of those on hope to control them. shouldn't be sharp what he's dropping into. now i get too much of what i mean if i go east or premium or my the money on the international criminal law or grandmother's, you money for committing to possible ways. it's either i get a life the park and we are seeing that or use a system up. and i mean the out of the information that is coming from mostly we can see the police shooting of the boat. so what is happening right now that we started there's that the members will do for me, are invoking international, interesting, surely this year. because crime sometimes you might get them, i guess it was going to continue for me now dimensional. so what is going

well going is when people are doing during this way, yeah. any kind of political solution. we're only going to see a worsening. well, this short range, i'm or marianna, you want to and i, what i want to, yes, i want to uh, what was said, what the government is saying is that the majority of people in the country do not want to protest, doubt the one to work and that the protests, the roadblocks are contributing, contributing to miss function of the government, the books for the children that will be in school in 2 months. one cannot be taken around the country. medicines medical equipment can't be distributed and that has to be done. and that cannot stop everything is it's true. but like i love the one thing that does not give the government the green light to to, to,

to have to allow the security forces for the excessive use of force. my feeling was the apple of days ago when we were at the anti terrorist headquarters where all the detainees from the university for medical have been taken is that it was a small group of active us. the were in a corner. they were like, i don't know 80 meter meters away from the front door and the police pushing everyone back into the street where there was traffic just because the, the feeling is they don't want anybody to protest. right. and that seems to be, and that seems to be kind of what is causing all the more outrage i want to ask you . and so when you, you know, you, when we try to identify the major problems, it seems like there are so many different factors, right? that have been compounded whether it's the drought, whether it's how hard cove it and the pandemic hit, the peruvian people,

whether it's the lack of health care education, or even the fact that now they're not allowing people to protest and the state of emergency is taking away their civil rights, what to you is the most dangerous thing that's happening right now. the thing that is angering them, the majority of the people i think of it because this abandoned me. the genus people from the kid i need to catch while i might have people who are now not only traveling for their right or basic mississippi, but also for the right to be recognized as those that they have an agency. right? not to choose on the part of this, the state in nature building. and so they become pretty much like a good leader organized. it's from the base that one to be here out from

pedal since i see a country that basically remind that he started in march. and then now they had to come to the, to the class, started main square and more relate even to lee mark where they, you know, be here because that way, how maybe they're going to pay attention to that. and so that's something that i see more no more in this in this market. more would you say, so martin and marianna. i see that please, please. before i, before i hear from you, i just want to allow our audience to hear from one of those people on the ground of marginalized communities. let's hear it in her words and then we'll come right back to marianna. take a listen. oh, so most of them was me feel marginalized,

despised treated like misfits and terrorists. it hurts us to be marginalized, and they say that we a difference. it's not that we just want them back to like, hey, does he have a double locked out? yep. we are in the streets because the people reject boulevard say, how is it possible that she asks for a dialogue while killing more than 50 compatriots? that is why the people will never stop fighting until she resign. scott, there's not a lot that don't marianna, a lot of the allegations of a poor or, you know, kind of corrupt, political class of not being represented, but also hearing their grievances, they're outlined what, what was it that you wanted to add? yeah, yeah, i think i wanted to add as distinct the fact that things are spiraling in the, in the country. it is the way the police and the army are reacting to the protest up violence is not well received in the streets. and of course, there are violent protesters as well, but the violence that the security forces are,

are showing with, especially with, with fire using firearms is, is simply making people react with more violence. and people say to you on the street. i don't care if i die. i am going to fight until i die for my children. and so, and to allow me one more thing that is please very important is that there are no political costs. in these 55 deaths already. we have seen to turn you into ministers, but the defense minister who was told that it was the defense minister when the 1st big number of people killed. it could happened on one day, 10 people killed by firearms when they were trying to overtake the airport. and the army opened fire. he was not, he was not sent. he was awarded after that with the position of prime

minister. so people see that in the streets and they think that there will be no, josh, this for the people that have died. and, you know, i was nodding as you were saying that, i mean, so much of this is about a divide right between the political, let's say, corrupt ruling class, at least the per perception of the people and then a large swap of the country. and you know, i want to share with their audience very quickly. if i may, there's this tweet that that's going around online, a map of the regions and prove that we're hardest hit by severe drought late last year. as you can see here in the south, and there's a correlation in terms of the road blockades. now that are being put in place by the protesters. now i can guarantee that this is 100 percent accurate, but it does give impression that they are almost are to peruse with that in mind. and why though, i want to ask you, i mean, this extremely fragile political system that you discussed. and then the reality of the compounding nature of the crises, the fact that there is

a crack down. where will that lead? what is your fear? and how should, how should that help us understand this moment and what might happen? well, the, so seem to understand he's not the usual shows indeed a correlation between a drought, the protests. but it will also show a relation between games to keep on de, we've done protests and show also the correlation enormous difference or lima leads regarding the rest of the content from being happy in those areas. some people must be on care. and i see that the water may meet the moral duty cynical calculation you saw in those areas. so where we are now both from move to lima, we are going to find out whether people really care about what we should do

demonstrated in citizens. so i'll be working on a political elite, but these, these project, these, do you mind? i really work too much, but we are going to sort yeah, that is why i'm asking you as well or dial? no, we're good to go to step down. and of course she had made that promise right, that she would eventually not stay forever. so that's another concern. i do want to hear from her directly where she was kind of mocking, if i can say or making allegations. but a lot of the protesters are simply being blackmailed. take a listen back home will need and communities, le, hi, andy and regions. the sisters and brothers who go out to protests are being blackmailed. they are being coerced. they are told. if you don't go to march, we will ask you for a fee. if you don't go to march, we will cut off your water supply. and if you don't go to march, we will burn your house down. you know, i found that jack did. i'm not seeing him,

daniel. cough so marianna, that was on january 17 and you know, obviously are there been claims that, you know, there's just a lot of vandalism, equating the protest movement with vandalism, a lot of misinformation as well online allegations about the ambassador, a former cia veteran meeting with the you know, minister as right before everything unfold that, i mean, i'm not trying to peddle conspiracy theories, but when you hear the president saying that what comes to mind is that helping the situation? no, it's not. it's showing a lack of understanding to, to say the least. i want to tell you, i was in a remote community in the area of mac, which is one of the most of one of the poorest regions in peru and high up in this weather was absolutely no for a nurse, no one who there was no one who did not belong to that community except off. and

what i could tell, show you is that everybody has a phone. everybody has a phone even up in the highlands. the people are, are looking at social media before they go and work in the field. they are listening to the news and it is through the social media and what they are hearing . that people are deciding that they have to come to protest because they come to lima or come to the down to the communities or to the cities because they feel it's their time to to make their voice. i'm her and but it, this theories forgive me. the stories about yeah, it will model is for our president for fear ring asked to be us in pool, know, and they would be wouldn't care offended. yeah, would be offended. they're being told that somebody's telling them what to do and how to think marianna, you said that the violence is not playing well in the streets in terms of the

crackdown the response by the government. it also doesn't play well in our chat. here we have someone on youtube clear saying, i hope the peruvian government can stop killing people because they're violating the human rights. proving peruvian police are not following the usual legal justice protocols. with that in mind, i want to ask you renzo so many calls from the peruvian people for a new constitution for a new election for the president to step down, almost feels like to be included in what they feel they've been completely not included in your mind. these calls for constitutional change. what do you hope and expect will happen next for? are there chances for a more inclusive proof? i do, i just need a more chance to be more inclusive. a responding that claim of the bathroom, i saw some sectors and for decade, some center who are in beach in assistant claim that he was thrown into the ministry by sending commissioners from their isolated communities to lima. and they

search for what we're number that can listen to their, their about the operations by you see the local authorities and how much got everything covered and it was formed already writing with us. we had been seeing a right now and, and one thing, i know it's about this color very quickly. we're running out of time. yeah. go ahead. yeah. and somebody's be in today need to change. this has to be in my life. of course i'm not this and that's why we're having this conversation render randall. that's why it's an important part of this conversation . one that we're going to continue to follow here. marianna renzo eduardo, i want to thank you for being with us all the time we have for today, but you can always find us online at stream dot al jazeera dot com. thanks for watching. ah

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