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welcome to the stream i'm at shabby. dean protests are intensifying and peru and the president is under pressure to resign amid widespread anger over the killing of dozens of people protesting the removal of her predecessor as deena boulevard, say rejects calls to step down the crisis is highlighting, proves entrenched, social and economic inequalities. today we look at the divide and asked how it can be bridged. joining us for today's conversation, al jazeera correspondent, marianna sanchez, joins us from lima. renzo eroni, a historian and anthropologist focusing on peru and the wider latin american region, joins us from new york. and also in new york, eduardo gonzales, quaver, a human rights consultant and sociologist, welcome everybody. of course you can join the conversation as well. send us your comments and questions for our panel, and we'll put it straight to them. marianna, i want to ask you a with the latest, i mean, you know, we've looked at this story now for

a few weeks as it's developed. i'm looking back to december when things sort of were all sparked off. i mean, what really triggered this in your mind? what's important to know? well, i think this, this straight, this was triggered by the ousting of president for president bid. ok. see you who was going to be impeached that day. but who decided to perpetrate could tie against his own government by ordering the army to take the army of the police to take over the control of the street on and also the judiciary. and especially the rest of the prosecutor who is investigating him for on corruption allegations, corruption but i think down the gun it. what happened is that

when he was elected july, in april of the year before 80 percent, i would say of people in the south of the country voted for him. and he had promised a lot of things. during this time, he promised, after he came to office and invited me years and prefect to the presidential palace offered them irradiation project or agrarian reform form of the constitution and so on. and so they went back to their communities with all these promises after garcia was the president. so i think that what happened is that once you left the presidency, people, so all these promises fading away and they decided they did not want to give up to them. so many people have been talked talking to not only in the

protest here in my but in the highlands of the country were a lot of people live in a very poor condition that they say, well, it's not really about you anymore. is about the promises he made to us and since we bought it for him, we won those promise and that's why they are. yeah, that's where their protest and marianna, as you said, that sentence, i mean both of our other guest nodded. and i want to come to you read so i mean, it seems like people feel betrayed, not necessarily by him, but by the system they feel under represented are not represented at all. what can you share with us from sort of the rural southern indigenous perspective, the people who have been the most marginalized for decades now, what is, what do they want? what's their demand? yeah, thank you. when a question. yes, maria interface about this. me to teach come moment dr. us out in

december and 2022. so basically we got to become the contest 1st, but she tied the support the align with the right wing congress on the military and protest. evidently mentioned in the south the return that massively bought it for you during the 2021 election on what team at the beginning of the process or the most today shows for the pending on release from prison, told us to organ because like you promised, including a formation of the can see for especially for those people who sisters, where my son lives and a in the poor people from the,

from the i'm assume you might say probably the sensors who hungry enough to see some structure change after the time. and then we can demonstrate the country rent, i me for interjecting if i may, i mean i do want to come to you edwardo for your take on what we just heard. maybe if you could contextualize the 4th, but before i do marianna, we have a video report that you filed for us here at al jazeera that i want to share with our audience. just to give us a sense, more about the context, what's going on, take a listen. hundreds of police force still with an out protesters to stay there. for peruvians who travel to lee meant to protest against precedent. dina wouldn't let it be more than 200 people were arrested. but when they were taken to the counter terrorism, police headquarters, the anger only deep. i

apparently the order is not good. now anyone dobro told eduardo, as we heard this is really about inequality. this is about a deepening divide. when you see that report, when you hear edwardo, what we heard from marianna renzo, what's missing for our audience to understand. i mean, what is really contributing to this in this moment? in blue we go through vertical seasons week or 20 year old or you go to for the marty are concerned about the fill on there was a combination of the stations and institutional changes that brought about the end of that particular you know, ask there are you moving sale did where was commission that were gone, but we need to put all sort of many of the things. but i think that transition and the regional thing under the team is served the situation that was written horrible

. you murray a few years back and it kept them on the model the function under for so we made a confusion that wasn't political transition. we made me think of human rights. bob will not change the constitution with change of me function. so you know, way, while you want to see me, but it was what you saw in 2 years ago, right? we people who come fire those talk that the been what is to be they will get the money, but the constitutional so that is a seclusion. all right, jesse regarding the much money and it was the same thing. yeah. i mean, all you can will be my, you hollow eighty's. hopefully we'll see you the where the invaded in this way. but you'll notice in our wonderful, you know, social mobility for people who think that they can know probably in their

lifetimes of pain economy. hope that their children will through cation through schools, through us. and so, to see the police coming on, destroying the gates university, accusing the people in the, with the rest of the internal restrictions are already or some sort of drama. and you know, i appreciate you kind of explaining to us what that feels like for the people who are watching this as this unfolds on television, on tv or internationally. we have a lot of people picking up on some of the sort of issues you talked about castillo castillo, i should say, being only the 2nd president, born outside of lima, to be elected since 1956. and i want to talk about those deepening divides, but as the protestors now move closer and closer to lima, it seems like there's more intensity happening there. i want to share with you what one ah,

activist on the ground had to say they sent us this video. this is ma 100. take a listen. the peruvian government is systematically committing human rights abuses . there are christ that this is no longer a democracy because there is no right to dispense. there is no right to protest against the government. people are being arbitrarily detained, simply for being in the general location of a process simply for being in their own homes. filming police outside of their homes, who are indiscriminately shooting directly at the bodies of protesters who are simply passers by. people have been tear gas within their own homes, simply for yelling from their windows. stop shooting at them. eduardo, when you hear the ways she frames that, i mean we've seen the images. we know security forces are shooting some protesters in the chest in the head. and ever since the president called the national state of emergency, it seems like not only have the protests intensified, but so have the,

the crack down the attempts by the police and the military, if you will, to restore, you know, security. so what concerns you most, i mean, in terms of where you think this is headed in the immediate few weeks, is there any way that the president can sort of resolve this being herself, you know, from an indigenous community, much like castillo working to be completely got under the international law, a stapleton emergency does not allow payments. here's a single promotion to me or i'm going to the 3rd thing for the doesn't mean that the police shoot to kill the most of those on hope to control of the migration for them being sharp what he's dropping. and now i get too much of what i mean if i go east or premium or money on the international criminal law or grandmothers, you money to go meeting in 2 possible ways. it's

either i get a life the park and we are seeing that or use money on. i mean the out of the information that is coming from mostly those we can see the police is shipping of the book. so what is happening right now? we started, there's that the members will do what i mean are invoking international, interesting, surely this year because crime, so these are, might get my guess. it was one of the content for me to dimensional problem. so what it is going, well, he's going to be doing it this way. yeah, i won't any kind of political solution. we're only going to see a worse and all this. you must sure range m r marianna, you want to job and i, what i want to, yes, i want to uh, what was trade? what the government is saying is that the majority of people in the country do not want to protest that they want to work. and that the protests,

the roadblocks are contributing, contributing to miss function of the government. the books for the children that will begin schooling to months, what cannot be taken around the country. medicines, medical equipment can't be distributed and that has to be done and that cannot stop everything is, is it's true. but like a lot of the we're saying that does not give the government the green light to to, to, to have to allow the security forces for the excessive use of force. my feeling was the apple of days ago when we were at the anti terrorist headquarters where all the detainees from the university for medical have been taken is that it was a small group of active us. the were in a corner. they were like, i don't know 80 meter meters away from the front door and the police pushing

everyone back into the street where there was traffic just because the, the feeling is they don't want anybody to protest. right. and that seems to be, and that seems to be kind of what is causing all the more outrage i want to ask you . and so when you, you know, you, when we try to identify the major problems, it seems like there are so many different factors, right? that have been compounded whether it's the drought, whether it's how hard coded and the pandemic hit, the peruvian people, whether it's the lack of health care education, or even the fact that now they're not allowing people to protest and the state of emergency is taking away their civil rights, what to you is the most dangerous thing that's happening right now. the thing that is angering them, the majority of the people i think of it because this abandon the indigenous people from the kid i need to catch. while i might ask

people who are now not only struggling for their right or basic mississippi, but also for their right to be recognized as doors that they have an agency. why not to chose on the part of this estate in its nature building. and so they become pretty much like a good leader organized on the be that one to be here out from pedal since that i should a container base the remark, historically marking. and now they need to come to the cheese to the class at the main square and more relate even to lee mark where they, you know, be here because that way, how maybe they're going to pay attention to that. and so

that's something that i see more no more in this, in this market. and maria, and i see that please, please, before i, before i hear from you, i just want to allow our audience to hear from one of those people on the ground of that marginalized community. let's hear it in her words. and then we'll come right back to marianna, take a listen. well, no. so the whole thing was me feel marginalized, despised treated like misfits and terrorists. it hurts us to be marginalized, and they say that we a difference. it's not that we just want him back to like, hey, does he have a double her left eye? yep. we are in the streets because the people reject boulevard say, how is it possible that she asks for a dialogue while killing more than 50 compatriots? that is why the people will never stop fighting until she resign. scott, there's not a lot that don't marianna, a lot of the allegations of a poor or, you know, kind of corrupt, political class of not being represented,

but also hearing their grievances. they're outlined what, what was it that you wanted to add? yeah, yeah, i think i wanted to add, and i just think the fact that things are spiraling in the, in the country. it is the way the police and the army are reacting to the protest up violence is not well received in the streets. and of course there are violent protesters as well. but the violence that the security forces are, are showing with, especially with, with fire using firearms is, is simply making people react with more violence. and people say to you on the street. i don't care if i die. i am going to fight until i die for my children. and so, and to allow me one more thing, that is please very important if that there are no political costs in these 55

deaths already we have seen to, to new into ministers. but the defense minister who was told that was the defense minister when the 1st big number of people killed. it happens on one day, 10 people killed by firearms when they were trying to overtake the airport and the army open fire. she was not, he was not sent, he was awarded after that with the position of prime minister. so people see that in the street and they think that there will be no just this for the people that have died. and, you know, i was nodding as you were saying that, i mean, so much of this is about a divide right between the political, let's say, corrupt ruling class, at least the per perception of the people and then a large swath of the country. and you know, i want to share with their audience very quickly. if i may, there's this tweet that that's going around online

a map of the regions and prove that were hard to tell by severe drought late last year. as you can see here in the south, and there's a correlation in terms of the road blockades. now that are being put in place by the protesters. now i can guarantee that this is 100 percent accurate, but it does give impression that there are almost art to peruse with that in mind. and why do i want to ask you, i mean, this extremely fragile political system that you discussed and then the reality of the compounding nature of the crises, the fact that there is a crack down. where will that lead? what is your fear? and how should, how should that help us understand this moment and what might happen? well, the sort of seem to understand he's not the usual shows indeed a correlation between a drought, the protests. but it will also show a relation between games. and then we can protest, and we show also the correlation,

enormous difference all who lima leads regarding the rest of the content. in those areas, some people must be on there. and i think that the board may meet the moral physical calculation of the saw in those areas. so where we are now both from move to lima, we are going to find out whether people legal care, although the government should demonstrate citizens. so a system will be working on a political elite, but these, these reject these images and i really work for monday, but they are going to so yeah, that is why i'm asking you to know what they need to grab her to go to step down and of course she had made that promise right, that she would eventually not stay forever. so that's another concern. i do want to

hear from her directly where she was kind of mocking, if i can say or making allegations. but a lot of the protesters are simply being blackmailed. take a listen and get back home. we'll need an in communities, le, hi, andy and regions. the sisters and brothers who go out to protests are being blackmailed. they are being coerced. they are told, if you don't go to march, we will ask you for a fee. if you don't go to march, we will cut off your water supply. and if you don't go to march, we will burn your house down. you know, i found that jack, i'm not seeing him danica, so marianna, that was on january 17 and you know, obviously are there been claims that, you know, there's just a lot of vandalism, equating the protest movement with vandalism, a lot of misinformation as well online allegations about the ambassador, a former cia veteran meeting with the, you know, minister as right before everything unfold that. i mean, i'm not trying to peddle conspiracy theories, but when you hear the president saying that what comes to mind is that helping the situation? no, it's not. it's showing a lack of understanding to,

to say the least. i want to tell you, i was in a remote community in the area of mac, which is one of the most of one of the poorest regions in peru and high up in this weather was absolutely no for a nurse. no, no one who there was no one who did not belong to that community except us. and what i could tell to show you is that everybody has a phone. everybody has a phone even up in the highlands. the people are looking at social media before they go and work in the field. they are listening to the news and it is through the social media and what they are hearing. that people are deciding that they have to come to protest because they come to lima or come to the down to the communities or

to the cities because they feel it's their time to to make their voice. i'm her and but it this theories for gimme the stories about yeah, it will model is for represent about fear ring and ask the us in pool. know and they would be wouldn't care. offended. yeah. would be often well like that they're being told that somebody's telling them what to do and how to think marianna, you said that the violence is not playing well in the streets in terms of the crackdown the response by the government. it also doesn't play well in our chat. here we have someone on you to clear thing. i hope the peruvian government can stop killing people because they're violating the human rights. proving peruvian police are not following the usual legal justice protocols. with that in mind. i want to ask you renzo so many calls from the peruvian people for a new constitution for a new election for the president to step down, almost feels like to be included in what they feel they've been completely not

included in your mind. these calls for constitutional change. what do you hope and expect will happen next for? are there chances for a more inclusive proof? i do, i just need a more chance to be more inclusive. a responding that claim of the bus, my social is $6.00 and for daycare center in hulu, in regional station, hackney claim that he was on international by sending me soon as from there, i started to lima and they search for a number that can listen to them about the operations by you see the local authorities and how much got everything covered and it was formed and the mom or the lady with your place as being seen right now. and i'm working on this call on the very quickly we're running out of time and yeah,

go ahead. yeah. and somebody will be in today need to change the normalized product of course. and that's and that's why we're having this conversation. rent, renzo, that's why it's an important part of this conversation. one that we're going to continue to follow here. marianna renzo eduardo, i want to thank you for being with us all the time we have for today. but you can always find us online at stream dot al jazeera dot com. thanks for watching. ah, ah

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