of dollars to renovate samples at religious sites, like bar nessie and the gen some see the project to destroy the towns unique history. i double number now while la la, you lean on the streets around leading to the temple a sacred it is believed, lord christner grew up here, the redevelopment will make friend of unlike delhi or mum by. that's why i suggested the government shift the temple to a different area. so devotees get all the facilities. ah, the government says it compensate people and relocate businesses residency. the land has emotional value and the project will ruin excessive bathroom. at that al jazeera, when the oven, northern india, ah, he watching al jazeera and these are the top stories. the sour ukraine's president says he's taking powerful steps to root out corruption and government. the deputy defense minister is among several others who have resigned or been removed

following craft allegations. 5 regional governors have also been dismissed. president zalinski says they'll be 0 tolerance for corrupt officials. natasha butler has more from cave. now, what followed him is lensky is obviously trying to do is show western powers that are pouring in aid and military agent, financial helped to ukraine, that keith is taking this sort of thing very seriously indeed. and the aid and money is been used for the right reasons for not being siphoned off by some government officials. of course, cleaning up corruption is one of the conditions also for ukraine to do if it wants to be part of the european union. and we know the steps already on the way for ukraine to accede to the block. poland this defense minister says he's of germany for permission to send german maids lifted to tanks to ukraine. berlin has been under increasing pressure for being reluctant to approve delivery of the tanks by

3rd countries. germany's defense minister says berlin hasn't changed its position. at least 7 people have been killed and shootings in the us state of california. they happened in 2 locations in the city of halfmoon bay, south of san francisco, with already say, a suspect has been detained. the human rights group has filed a criminal complaint in germany, accusing me in march military of genocide. the case brought by fortify rights accuses the military of crimes against humanity and war crimes over its crank, down on hunger muslims in 20162017 peru is pricing for more large scale protest calling for the resignation of prison. dina. below our time, the crisis began in december, the former president pedro castillo, tried to dissolve congress and was arrested thing nearly 50 people have been killed during violent protests. residents of the ancient city of veranda and northern india protesting against plans to redevelop streets around bunky. hurry, temple,

local authorities say the construction of a corridor will help millions of d. f. o t's that, that will mean more than $300.00 sharps and homes will have to be demolished. those are the headlines. the news continues here on al jazeera, after inside story, which is up now. this is a region that is rapidly developing, but it's one also that is afflicted by conflict. political upkeep was some of those we talked to elsewhere as saying that they fled after hearing that other villages had been attacked. what we do in al jazeera is tried to balance these stories, the good, the bad, the ugly, tell it as it was, and leave the people who allow us into their lives, dignity, and humanity. ask you to tell their stories. france is ordered to withdraw its troops from another african countries this time burkina faso sorts behind the

growing younger, behind the former colonial power of what does it mean for the fight against armed groups in west africa? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm adrian seneca, burkina faso. this military government has given french troops one month to leave the country. that's according to state media, french forces, or in the west african nation. as part of a campaign to drive out fighters linked to i, sal, and al qaeda. the un estimates that thousands of people have been killed since 2015 . a. nearly 3000000 displaced by violence. that's when blamed on armed groups. demonstrations against the french soldiers presence had been held in the capital. wagner to go? barbara ango, reports ah,

protested mckenneth. patsy. have been demanding, france withdrew its trips from their country. they say the former colonial power has failed to protect them from on grips. feed love, want it. france was our partner. it was supposed to help us fight against terrorism . but since 2016 there has been no change. we think france doesn't deserve book and officers trust. now it's military really that reportedly suspended the 2018 security a court with paris. they want french trips to leave within a month. france has been decreasing its deployments across the for hail region and officially ended this operation by connie last year. at its height. more than 5000 french trips were stationed lou region to fight grips allied to al qaeda. and i, so 400 french trips remaining became a facet. molly and the former colony ordered french trips out last year. some analysts say burkina faso is blaming france for his own failure to do with an

insurgency which led to 2 military coups last year. france is the scapegoat folder, it president of friends for the to re present as not prevented the progress of gdc forces. so does resentment of the population as it was in marie where even some, some demonstrators were complaining that france would be maybe, was a compress off. some of these surgeries groups garners president has the keys, burkina, faso, of hiring the private russian army wagner group to crush armed fighters in the us, a hail region. marley, hyde, the mercenaries. last year the u. s. u and and others accused the group of committing widespread human rights abuses, the pro, of course calorie bloom of france in, in, in any way what, what, what, what are what the governments are saying is they want to bring to the, to the prefer security partner violence in the west african nation has killed thousands of people and left to 1000000 people displaced these demonstrate as the

demanding french forces go. but it's not clear how the military plans to reclaim 40 percent of the country outside its control. barbara pass out to sara. ah, well, let's discuss all of this with our guests. for today's program, we joined from ankara by a vague way, a gray girl who saw him barbara's report. he's a policy analyst for read. developing reimagined and africa policy consultancy from paris were joined by near gali by gail co chair of the african security sector network, and african, affecting time comes from london, alex vines, director of the africa program at chatham house. welcome to you all. and let's start with you over the way. what's gone wrong in became faster relationship with france and to what extent does it mirror what's happened in molly?

yeah, i think one of the most important part because management with regard to the divisions with friends on from i grew up with countries, countries ignore school and that's where like molly booking up also on the fact that there is a sewer divergence in terms of approaches to addressing the immediate issue, which is security to a large extent are played out in all of the countries where we're seeing in ed troops, for instance, we drove from car was there by law last year. last year. i think what, what, what do you mean by serious divergence? well, you, you only have to look at the fact that every coolant is concerned. of course we new friends with some partners. i've been very motional the condemned schools. and also because when you look at a cause, the media security policy approach is to align with, with it, with

a different player. perfect. but now which is, which is russia. so of course, in the context of ukraine war, on serious new grievance in between the west and russia, it is a much on team cable to expect that france would want to collaborate with the government. then close the services of, of a russian missionaries or it will work directly with the government of russia. ok, they've got a, is a blaming france for its own failures in ridding the country of these armed groups . i definitely things as there is a need to have an historical stance on the current situation. in fact a, in a book enough i. so there is a tradition off protection of southern t, which is coming from the late leader to my sancho ha. and even a president, which was others from last year on mac,

hassan casualty was very reluctant to any presence significant on the ground of sin of booking affairs. so it's important to know also that though, oh, there are some saba, which she's made of special forces from france as been, acted much more outside of booking. if i so rises an owns the book and i be so, and what is happening today is that there has been a growing tendency all civil society organizations on the streets as well as off to be companion at large to be very critical towards the french african policy a gun say when you're going to happen in malley: yeah. but it is important not to consider only that it is what is happening to there is only the after men. okay. off does origin presence in booking. you got

a white why? the dissatisfaction with the presence of french troops and among civil society, those in civil society. i mean that there's been an accusation that that france has been complicit with those that it's meant to be to be fighting. i mean, i was cretins to give to those allegations. absolutely. in fact, what happened is, as the big affair assume, bakken, which was meant to fight terrorism, and in fact, to neutralize it. i've been completely failing from this prospect. and it's been a lot of surprise in the eyes of the african public opinion, as i definitely can not understand. the reason why such a modern and a technological army with lot, sofa or armament to deploy, as been absolutely unable to cope with a g. heidi insurgencies, and what happened is that there has been a growing

a trouble in the public opinion and also lots of floods, surveys, brilliant in france, as having itself, critique terrorism or in a, in a western africa. and as a feeling it's rises and fight it. and dis kind offer of for pluck terry's have the met a lot of success among the senior society so called pantry kenning organizations as well as more broadly in the o collation at large or at the looked at pick up the point you were making there. and put it to, to alex vines, in london, alex was, was from the shop to doing the job in the 1st place. were given the but the limited number of troops that he put on the ground is not the u. s. it, it, but it doesn't have the resources to ploy to deploy thousands and thousands of troops. so the context is that throughout francophone west

africa and particularly the saw hill that has been growing ambivalence amongst the populations about the relationship with france. this is nothing new. i saw it 20 years ago when i was working even in a cook, dubois ivory coast and for the united nations, the, the insecurity. there was partly a response to the idea of from south freak neo colonialism. that france was to entwined into the politics and the economies of those countries so, so that, that's the context of what france has been and dealing with the front fraction intervention and initially in molly operation, savell was what was actually supported by africans and relatively successful. but you're absolutely right that the but con operation that took place subsequently, i did not deliver the security that molly ins and, and of as a right across the region we're hoping for. and i think that's the key to watch of the company in burkina with, with the booking up authorities,

the jump to they're saying that the french special forces have a month to leave because in fact they haven't improved security, security is deteriorating. the big question though is what we'll replace it because i'm not sure anybody else can provide security either to, to turn the situation that is ready. deteriorated it, but this, this was a region alex that the france once dominated, as you said, it's been, it's been gradually losing influence in recent years. i mean, why, why is that? how will will paris deal with that in, in the long term? is it just going to turn it back on the reach and do you think? no, i mean, present micron last year announced a reconfiguration of the french security posture in west africa. so it's a lot more focused on the coastal states countries like i could do for ivory coast, it assumes a continued presence neija and it looks at how it can compliment of our initiatives

that are developing that are driven by african nations them selves. so really that that was something called g 5, some help with that hasn't been working very well and includes both molly and booking a faster, but also something now called the prior initiative, which also includes bochita. and so that's what i think france is now looking at of how it can mulch electrolyze through african partners in these initiatives to, to, to provide security. what is very clear is a, at the coastal states themselves, a very worried about contagion into their own ever are trees or, or she had his groups if it created either to al qaeda, iso. and of course, to have been attacks now in place in the north of go in the north albany that the gun hands are very worried about contagion from booking. to pick up on that point and, and put it to a big weight. what, what does the removal of french troops from became far so mean for the security

situation right across the region, given that they've already gone from molly to of course, there's an immediate impact and it's in that too large extent, the book and looking at military and even misery in new money, just so in molly wouldn't have to step up the book. i mean, let's be serious. do i mean do not have the capacity in another they have in the compet. the competence of abilities are going to deal with this problems. it doesn't mean that it can long beaut, such capacity but, and from the mead, immediate onset, i think i got a lot of problems on that. also be a mind that it's under the $5000.00 troops. that's different had been there over 15000 un peacekeeping for what candidates i have support and all of this countries part of the new smart right me new smart enough itself has not been able to even

deliver only the objective of its monday. so i think the real problem, if you, if you are depressed by counsel of 16000, that is about 222-0000 forces on you come up. i mean, my army is about 21000 for instance. right? so it is a huge loss, but that is why it is really important to stress that the new secret park massive that for me, russia, he's just not going to address this problems because russia cannot provide net or this kill of in a military support. that is needed book enough is most in control of 40 percent of his 30 doesn't just one country. and i didn't see i don't see how it is possible for me to contract those to be able to work with the, with the company. and i mean that is fully equipped, and that is that, of course we're trying to be able to recover this there just initially we need the

period of time of georgia and the disco don't as a proposal. so i think it's going to be very, very challenging on they have to be very, very careful because they won't just agreed upon a zip code which will cost, you know, diplomatic cost and financial costs. that that is why dennis, we more thinking we got to the choices of this buck, much new girl. how much of a humiliation is this for france will withdraw. the french troops from both peculiar paso and molly, strengthen the armed groups operating in the region when it creates as as ivory coast president has said, a security vacuum in the region. i seen such a as sir, just to explain by my colleague we cannot considers as friends as met any difference on the ground nor any other international partner. and it is also the case of for russian or private security company wagner,

because we can see as for instance in malawi as our been attacks, very close to urbana co, only 50 and kilometers from forms. it was a capital. so i not sure that it is from an nope irrational of point of views, that there will be a lot or all fir consequences with the french retreat from booking affairs. so where we have to remember is that the special forces where only around $400.00 a people. so i think what is very important today is to realize that there is a need to develop a very different approach to these questions. including in terms of a political perspective to what is happening in the wall. so hell, and it is a fact an approach which has been developed presently by new year, which is both working with french troops, though having

a very close relationship with russia and a jerky in terms of her armament, but is also trying to develop dialogues with certain risk groups, including these slamming states and other groups related to a i k ada itself. let's turn our attention to the presence of russian mercenaries on the ground or in the region alex on. i'm gonna throw up a bunch of questions i do hear who's paying them and why? what's for mandate? what, what's the legal status of a, any better at bringing peace and security to the region than, than the french? well the, the russian facilities wagner had been invited in they were invited in by the molly and i renew my rated, allegedly through access to, to mineral resources. and he's also the allegation that the president of gotten and

none of who for i'll do is major about the involvement of wagner. if it is confirmed in booking a faster than we've seen that else where they are increasing. and it looks as if wagner is being recognized as an exemplary force from the russian federation. the majority of wagner is obviously deployed now in, in, in occupied territories of ukraine fighting the ukrainians or, but there are, there is presence in africa, the track record of wagner. in africa hasn't been spectacular by any means lately. abysmally failed in trying to provide security along the east african coast in the province, a couple delgado in at like 2019 they have provided a praetorian guard up situation of security for the, for the, for the foot. but for the presidency in the central african republic. and as both

your other speakers have alluded to, they haven't provided improved security i in, in molly. and i'm very doubtful that they're going to be able to do that also in bertina fafsa. in fact, i think what we'll see is further fragmentation in both molly and in between a fact so of the military jumped us because of the end of the day. the driver is here, are about improved security. and it's clear to me as your previous speaker said, that the solution here is a product of military companies. but it is about finding dialogue and finding incentive settlements. what you have here, basically, ah, regimes based around a capital cities or we have which of angry increasingly got disenfranchised with the rest of their countries. and they like the big problems that molly and are booking on fasa increasingly have in that sheets of mice administrations that, that are just in control of the capital cities and are having great difficulty in

providing security beyond them. but a big weight. why is russia currently seen as a better pastor, a partner in the region than france? what's in it for russia? what's, what's its strategy in the region? what i think russia definitely is a plain, private military diplomacy. it's a bit so be shipped with africa countries. you have to look at it current adventures in africa, in the context of its own global tundi, right? we know, of course the rochester to boost image. i'm trying to reconnect sound good allies off the so possible for me. but my shift, so should i say i so little. so of course this is, this is part of its default on why is use ready? yes, jane, it wants to speak right now. the national for him is davis with africa for instance . right. and that's the 2nd 2nd visit in 9 months. so it shows that little focus on

the radio was specifically when this new countries in question from our french colonies. i think it is clear that one of the reasons why it didn't go, this is june 1000 governments in the case of the car preferred russia is the fact that russia can provide regime security on that region. security has to be understood as a very, very small solution to it when a very large problem because this country don't have way more than we can to get the problem to have national security issues that they need to address. and therein lies the, the not bit radius that may or may golly, it regime secures him in inviting mercenaries in to provide security. that's the un job, isn't it worth knowing? what are the implications of all of this for the un and it's peacekeepers who are on the ground that so i'm not sure such as the situation or we can

a see in the central african republic where indeed wagner's troops are protecting. the government is exactly the same in melee. in melee. you cannot see armed troops or contractors from a wagner in the capitals are mentally deployed in the central part of the country around democracy ended once or circles. so i enter in booking as regards their relations with the as u. n. a in as the central african republic. yes, it seems as there has been a kind of collaboration initially, but it is definitely not the case or inner in melee or in burke enough. so you do not have any u n, a deployment, but what is happening in melee and which is also very likely to have happen in booking if i so is the role of self defense malicious which has been

a growing in terms of importance and we can see that in molina central malli, wagner, troops together with the amalia and military are closely cooperating with the local, malicious and one of the option which is presently developed by the military governments in booking. if i so is presently to support and a 2 ers strengthen those kind of forces. so we can see a new kind of agreement between troops from russia and does local mini camps. i'm sorry to, to cut you off with turn. time is against us here. i want to put one more question to alex and we haven't really talked about the groups operating on the ground or alex do while these on group so focused right now on the cell region and wisely. the u. s. in particular, interested in chasing them out like it did in iraq and syria. so the u. s. has been involved in the south hell, anita, trained up military's or in the region,

an american have stage cuz i'm, i'm so late in the u. s. right. but it's not, not, not to the extent that it has in, in iraq and syria, for instance, not a day and not, not to that extent. it also has a footprint still denisia. there is a driving facility that but the, but the main point is that the united states, i had hoped that it could sub to sub contract. the majority of responsibility for, for chasing he had his groups to take to the tent, to european partners. seeing this is european net, they're abroad. so that's france, but it's also of a states like likes plain. i'm italy and others. i and washington, i think his discipline pointed that france is on the bus. back for that is my understanding of the way the washington is looking at this. and they still provide intelligence, teach it to france and, and off of a western part. okay. there we're gonna have to wait at many thanks and aid to

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