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killed during an israeli military raid and the occupied west bank, the deadliest in years. an elderly woman was reported among the dead in the janine refugee camp. a judge investigating the barrett port explosion in lebanon and 2020 has been summoned by lebanon's top prosecutor. direct britta has been charged with miss handling the inquiry. but his refusing to step down, people gathered at the justice palace and the capitol, demanding accountability for the disaster. more than 200 people were killed when improperly stored chemicals ignited. keeps mer, says 15 russian cruise missiles have been shot down in a series of attacks across ukraine. at least one person's been killed and to have been injured in dash, a butler has more from cave. ukrainian officials say the russia launch released sir . c cruise missiles into ukrainian territory. now, according to keith, local officials, they say that at least 20 of those missiles were heading in the direction of the
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capsule and were intersected. we heard a very loud explosion a couple of hours ago in that direction. we now know that that was a rocket. that hits a non residential building. we believe it might have been some critical infrastructure. jeremy's defense minister says leopard 2 tanks will arrive in ukraine by the end of march boris pastorius made the comments during a visit to a military training center. germany agreed to send 14 leopard to tanks, falling a long period of discussion with allies. b u. s. is also providing $31.00 abrams tanks. russia's condemned the move by western countries, calling it a direct involvement in the conflict. european immigration ministers are meeting in sweden to discuss ways to return migrants to their countries if they don't have the right to asylum. they want to improve co operation and visa restrictions across the block, the u. n. estimates about
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a 160000 people crossed the mediterranean to arrive in europe in 2022 minister. say the block doesn't have enough resources to handle such large numbers. those are the headlines coming next and all the 0. it's the stream good by a weekly look at the world's top business stories from global markets to economies and small businesses. to understand how it affects our daily lives going on with counting the coast analogies. you i welcome to the stream i manage habit, dean israeli citizens put prime minister benjamin netanyahu back in the office for a 6 term. since then, he's formed a government with ultra nationalists and ultra orthodox parties and filled key ministerial positions with far right leaders. now palestinian,
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still reeling from one of the deadliest years in decades. worry that settlements will expand, violence will increase and the occupation will become all the more permanent to day we ask, what does israel's new far right government mean for palestinians? ah, joining us to discuss from occupied east jerusalem journalist jayla bahati, also an occupied east. drew swim, yada hawaii's, senior analyst of at saba, the palestinian policy network, and with us from port to a leg gray, mariam that hootie palestine correspondent for mando ice. and of course we want you to join the conversation. so be sure to share your thoughts and questions with us right here on youtube. ah, so much to discuss. i want to start with a very simple question. let's just go, ah, of birth, starting with you marian, let's start with you. how would you describe this government in one word?
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fascist, yada israel. dead at a predictable israel fastest and predictable. all right, so those are some key terms to maybe frame this discussion. i'll ask you madam, how is this new government, fascist and what really sets it apart from? or the previous governments? how will this impact palestinians? i think the only thing that, that's the government, apart from other governments is the weight is for trade media, other than that's very on brands. it, it, it stays true to the essence of the is rarely project which is known an ethnic cleansing. and it is driving palestinians. i'm out in order to replace them demographically. and i, yarrow, when you say israel or is it just more of the same? what did you mean by that? i mean, how do you think or has, ah, the new government already started to impact palestinians their daily lives?
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i mean, the reason i said it was israel is because this is the true facts of israel. it doesn't hide behind a liberal facade which has done so for so many decades. i'm already feeling, you know, the full on the effects of this very crude regime. you know, it's not, it's not necessarily super different from what's come before, but that's me much more violent in their rhetoric towards other students. and this is emboldening certain active in society. namely, the settlers in the westbank who are using this as a greenlight to go all out against palestinians. and when she talks about the settlers july, i'm curious, you said predictable. are you worried that there will be increased subtler activity that this will impact palestinians and what about it? what about maybe some of the key ministerial positions might be making you worry about the way i saw this government when i 1st started as
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a very natural result of where is rather to day of its natural progression of what is really become what we saw in the past years of set their expansion and violence and, and all the horrible apartheid and wherever we saw, it's only going to get a truck with this. government is very fast track. it would be amplify, it would be only increased what's not going to be different than what happened before in different governments. it's just going to be put on even on steroids. it's israel on steroids with this specific government. that's why injuries are protesting, by the way, those rates are opposing this government because they fear that they will lose the status quo of or pressing palestinians and the whole world remain silent. this government is wanting to fast track the ethnic cleansing, and expansion and make it all go happen cluster. and that's why i'm concerned. and you know, i appreciate you outlining those concerns in that way. i saw em. you were nodding
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and we have people in our, you to chat, live timing in here. when you talk about ethnic cleansing, obviously a term that makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but a term that is accurate and i want to ask, is it accurate? i mean, many and blood nodes on youtube thing. what this means for palestinians is debt out . is that what's actually happening here? it's, it's either get out or that's the status quo. very passive. mean that means accept being in prison for no reason, other than being palestinian. that means except things that your water resources are going to be stolen and then pulled back to you through the corporations. that means that settlers, all they have to do is pull up their gun and shoot you as we have been consistently last year through operation break the ways on which is continuing until today. and
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i want to share with our audience a clip from al jazeera senior correspondent, enron con, about how the conversation has shifted on the ground. since the new government came to be, take a look lowest hold, well polished in state any more on the right weight of the israeli parties. you're hearing people say the occupation is now permanent unless something was always conic dismissed when it was said out loud. but now people are taking that seriously . they say it the mayor of been a good leader. he is the national security minister. he has been convicted of racism towards policies for the parents. he's openly racist. he's now in charge of the police force. that was the 1st big concession legal from benjamin netanyahu. we're always trying to look for honestly and constantly. we're up against people who are best lives. and now those lawyers seem to dissipating people of just being completely honest and open with what they would like. which is, you know,
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the palestinians house line completely the palestinians out of palestine completely echoing some of what you all have, discuss gelata when you see that video. and i'd like to hear from all of you on this, i mean, the national security minister in particular what, what stood out to you. that's what stood out to me just some of the policies that, that might be down the pipeline. what stood out to me is that the idea of zionism and the way it started palestine and over decades of what we've witnessed is a very concentrated and systematic operation of expelling and ethnic lansing. this land of his native inhabitants. it's been happening slowly and fast and depending on the periods. but what we're seeing today is that the disk, new government is not concerned about taking it slow, is not concerned about the public opinion. so concerned about what the rest of the world thinks, and it's just like israel is ethnically supremacist state based on
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ethnic supremacy for the jewish colonizers. and it's not, it's not going to be merciful and the native inhabitants. and it's just normalizing jewish supremacy to the whole world thing. this is the jewish state and it would be okay to just move all those palestinians forcefully and kill and shoot and move them out. people that this new government is trying to convince the world that it's israel's right to do this. based on the core based tenants of zionism, which is like this jewish, the, it has to be established and dominated, donate this land right and not be ashamed of its purpose. right? and i'm not cleansing along, i'm not that through premises narrative for lack of a better word. i mean, i want to ask you ya, we, we have this graph just to give a sense to our audience, the growth in the number of settlers since netanyahu 1st took office in 1996 to 999 . then again in 2009 of course this, these are sort of conservative numbers, but you do see the trend rising and rising. we know now some people say the
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estimates over 100. i think it's half a 1000000 or even more 600000 settlers. but more importantly, you know, in my law, in areas where, let's just say the reactions seem to have been strongest. i want to share with you yadda. someone who had this to say about the new government and we'll come right back to you, take a listen. well, this is key is that this is an extremist government run by netanyahu and bank via who is minister of national security. it showed he will be an extremist governments and the situation won't be calm. it seems it is clear with the israeli public on the palestinian public. that will be so many things that the government will do that and not find by the palestinian site. and this will cause a lot of trouble. why should i have something we will call you after you heard him say many things that the government will do? what are some of the most alarming things that you're aware of and are the promises
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and pledges inevitable? i mean, is there a way off this disaster dystopian roller coaster we're on i mean, some of the things that we can expect from this new coalition government is a much sort of tied to the rain over the west bank. it to my bank, the ministerial portfolio also includes the presence where policy, political business to help. so we're quite worried about what the consequences off in the case that you showed up with your colleague who was discussing it and then give it as a race it's. i mean, that's true of every single israeli partition, whether they are right, left or center to believe in a state that is only for one group of people or that one group of people have the right to dominate another group people basis and it's in, at it's very core at it's very essence. so i think we have to be very careful when we're talking about these. so called extreme is current is ok. they are crude,
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you know, it's going to be it can, it talks about shooting dead palestinians or arabs. but yeah, lucky you or betty ganz talks quite openly about bombing goes back to the stone age . so really, there isn't a huge difference. it's about rhetoric. it's about the language that they used to talk about these races policies. most certainly, you know, and i just want to share some visualization of, you know, we've heard 2022. this has been one of the roughest or deadliest or most violent years. i mean, we have this animation of just some of the headlines that we've seen, right of palestinians who have been killed in 2023. forgive me just in the beginning of 2023. right. i think in the 1st 2 weeks it was already in the dozens or over a dozen. and again, i don't wanna focus too much on the depths for as important as they are. we know that the lives are also so difficult and so i appreciate you kind of breaking through some of that framing. do you worry then about the framing that this is the
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most far right? that, that like, you know, i know, i know, for example, you july, you have had 1st hand experience with some of the settler violence that is expected to continue to rise. could you share with us what that actually means? and also why you're certain this is getting worse. for in the past, the settlers would be wanting to make a stand to be, to become bolder, to be challenging the government and challenge them those really occupation military in the, in the west bank. specifically, they would be wanting to accentuate policy. but now we have those extremists who would go on and attack and commit arson attacks against villagers in the west bank and the ones who are actually acting in violent acts. they are the ones in government. they are the ones who came from todd from from can get out of by in the middle of hebron. bang via and his as,
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as allies and smudge the ones we see on the hilltop, hilltops, the terrorist sectors. the ones attacking policy is not actually in the government, and this is why it's a bit of a concern because the ones we fear the most in our daily lives to the ones are attacking our cars and injuring us directly. or actually the one setting policy in the past, it would have been some leader in tel aviv or jerusalem, trying to pretend that the settler regime is just acting on its own. while we know that the sector team is empowered by the israeli government and sustained by the general rent today, they are the government. the settlers is the government and they are the ones conducting the policies all over the secretary. and i saw many i'm you were not in agreement. i mean, why is that such an important point and how do we know, how are we certain that some of those attacks that delilah was outlining are going to continue to increase so they attacked. that was
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a result of previous attacks that happened in a more spread out manner. when it was in less frequency, we saw the arse than the fact in duma. that left an entire family was burned to death in 2015 and it near novice. and these are all micro aggressions that preceded what is happening now. and what we're seeing is just an intensification about it. i think in the 1st video that we saw then mentioned there openly, racist. i think that's the only difference it been viewed is no different than nixon. yeah. that one is just more openly racist billings. b, it was refused. i'm to the israeli military when it was time for him to serve because he was considered too dangerous. now this man has control over the entirety of these really armed forces and, and, and this is, it's, it's emblematic of what is to come and it's gonna be bloody and it's gonna be ugly
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. and palestinians are gonna deal with it. and then our resistance is going to be criminalized. well, i think that's even worse. i'm so glad you bring up that point. so there been rumors, i've heard that there is an actual law trying to codify what is already happening, right. which if a palestinian is resisting occupation, unlike ukrainians, resisting occupation that somehow in the law, legally israel has a right. they've already been killing palestinians who resist, but now it's going to be codified in law my, on my writing and understanding this medi, i'm yada, anyone want to clarify that for our audience? i mean, it's always been codified and israeli know because he is ready. supreme court has always upheld these extra digits. you're killing him when the is really army has had open fire regulation. this is actually been a common trying. it's something that he is ready. regime does just was showed for practice. so they have been many ways in which these regulation has, in a sense,
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legalized these kinds of killing. but of course, it doesn't matter what the israeli regime does and comes of its own judicial system the what the renovation is doing is illegal on the international law and under the international legal regime. so i think we have to be very clear, we're talking about legality and legality. most certainly, and i appreciate how many am please what they're doing is trying to evade accountability. so in the future we are trying to try a soldier or a commander. they complete that they were only within the law of their state and i think that's what's happening here. codification is for the future. not for now. for now they're going to continue what they've been doing, killing they both an entire state over math. and now what they're looking at, especially as we're pursuing international accountability, is how to keep themself right from that. right. and of course we've seen, i'm very mindful that we do not have and israeli jewish citizen on this panel on
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this conversation on in this conversation. that said, there had been a conversation growing in israel, where we've seen, you know, 100000 people protesting mostly against the judicial reforms that have been proposed, but also against whose core corruption. and i want to ask why openly, i mean, actually let me frame it this way. we have in fact already asked. so let's bring in a jewish voice. we have roy yellen, the director of public outreach from salem, who was among the protesters there and tell you, we asked him what the motivation is about. how to save is really democracy. if you will take a look. i was among the, for the surgeon to leave against israel, the government attempt to destroy the judicial system. the new government is explicit about it. id, ology, of jewish supremacy. but that was also that the ology doesn't guided previous israeli governments. new threats are opposed by the government, the human rights of other groups in addition to the policy. and it seemed that the
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majority of the 3rd probably did not share the view. that is really not a democracy, but rather in apartheid regime. yet at least a significant minority among them did dylan. what do you think anyone who wants to jump in? i it's, it's a thing that it's been talked about a lot. a lot of them, perhaps the ones who see the occupation, the ones who see apart the ones who see what's actually happening on the ground, like a spot of citizens. mainly we understand that no protest in television, no matter if it's 800000 or a 1000000 going out of the street and tell you, it doesn't matter if they're just calling for preserving a democracy, which was never a democracy. it was never a democracy for anyone living in this land. when over 5000000 people can not even participate in the votes and people are living under apartheid. and all that. the 2nd matter is they're fighting against the judicial reforms. and those reforms,
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the people protesting against that netanyahu reforms are actually calling to maintain the status cool to protect their soldiers from being persecuted by, by courts. they, they're wanting to maintain cisco, to protect the soldiers who commit crimes against the palestinians. that's why it's the thing to maintain the status quo, to protect their soldiers, to protect their children are actually killing palestinians in the occupied territories on a daily basis. i do not believe in any protest that goes on in any part of it. i don't even see it actually because i hear about my life and the life of the policy and the well being of our people don't care about someone who wants to maintain up are tight rather than demolish it a lot. i appreciate that. and before i let anyone else jump in, i do want to just bring in some of the voices in our you to chat a lot of people on youtube, understandably very concerned for the well being of palestinians. one of them, brad lovely, asking how does israel manage it's long term image of being
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a moral per i on the global seen. also saying how do we empower palestinians to create sustainable eco savvy revenue streams to find their way? and lastly, how is the united nation stepping up to buffer any worst case scenarios arising from this disturb? yeah. 1 well, when it comes to the united nations, before i let you respond, i'm gonna play this clip from prime minister benjamin netanyahu. maybe he can help help us answer this. take a listen. melissa. like all the hundreds of distorted decisions against israel that were passed by the general assembly of the united nations over years. also, the despicable decision that was passed today will not bind the israeli government . the jewish people are not occupiers on their own land, nor occupiers in our eternal capital, jerusalem. and no, you and resolution can warp that historical to still weasel. so of course madam, i would love your reaction for our audience who doesn't understand the context. this was in reaction to the international court of justice providing an opinion on israel's occupation as despicable so that's what he called it. but mary,
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i'm your thoughts to some of those questions that were asked in youtube. and before i also get to that, i also want to bring up the protests that were happening. i think it's less about what they were processing and we need to look at how the israeli police and authorities responded to these protesters. met is very telling of how israel isn't a part. i met regina that if it was palestinians, we would have been shot. and killed it would just have been news of oh, there are protesters. that's important. i think that's the most important thing about what was happening there. in yellow speaking, he's a killer, the sanctions on the mass, killing a pile of things. so of course you don't think it's despicable. every sociopath thinks that the pickable when they're held on accountable to their fine. but in
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terms of empowering pallet names. but we need right now is a disempowering of israel and future to my station of israel to exist. and i think this is the step where we're at right now. no, no settler has the right to create the states by ethnic cleansing a population period that is non negotiable. and i think that's where we should and that includes boycotting is reading products and the reading at most certainly. and i want to give you a chance, the od. i know you were going to jump in there before you do we have the tweet just based on what marian was talking about, that outlines a blow to normalization. as robert carter calls an old man's parliament voting to expand the boycott of israel in support of palestine criminalizing ties with television. i want to ask you that in mind the out, obviously a lot of indications of kind of you know, normalizing the status quo. but what, what do you think about that move and also what marian was outlining? well, i once address, you know, what you asked about in terms of israel's image. you know,
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these really regime doesn't help to do much to, to oppose it. look at the, the world's most powerful countries in the united states, which in itself is a brutal set in a colony. you have the r abrasions, which normalized with with israel, which all despotic seems which will so crush and ton of this. and so, you know, is that with no exceptional when it comes to violations of human rights or off refusal ethnic cleansing, or colonialism for that matter. so, you know, help me expect this of a country to sort of state take a stand against the israeli regime when, when they're just as brutal when they, they also commit acts. so i think we will have to, to view it in that context that the is ready regime is sustained by an unjust world by unjust regimes across the world. and one of your common one of the comments in the, in the youtube section, you know, asked about ecos jeans from the financing,
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palestinian. you know, this isn't about money or we don't, it's not that we lack money. this is that we lack the political power behind us and there isn't political will to change or to challenge the israeli regime. and so the most important thing that people can do globally is not give money to alice. that means that me support humanitarian efforts to change the politics in the country where they are to a politics that is more receptive to justice, the global justice and palestinian liberation. and what an incredible point to and on i was actually going to ask another great question, but we're running out of time. and obviously that is such a critical point. you know, this idea that we didn't even discuss maybe an elephant or one of the elephants in the room is the absence of palestinian leadership, a lack of elections there, a big disconnect, i would argue a conversation that very relevant to the one we had today. so hopefully you will all join us again soon, yada mattie, i'm thank you for sharing your insights with us here at the stream. that's all the
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