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as a human being is doing it, you can do it, no matter how possibly it looks it's you to put in the effort to put in the lock. and you also have to be patient with which we then i so to team in east and central africa, b as a i francois guessing pretty well. we had managed to play in some international games. then when we came in, the i think was closed. and it's the only, i think in the country ah, what channels reserve the civil robin, doha, reminder of all top news stories that be more violence than occupied east jerusalem to israel. these have been injured in a god. the talk is already forced to say,
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the suspect is 13 years old and was wounded while being taken into custody from occupy these jerusalem on diplomatic editor james base has the latest on the lead shooter. the information we have is that he is 13 years old. but i have to say that information is being challenged, that's come from the police. it's being challenged by his own family who say that the 13 year old boy happened to be there at the scene. it was a case of mistaken identity. he wasn't the one wielding the hand gun. so there's a dispute over that what the police are saying and what the family saying at this time, what we do know is the victims of this attack. we're to settlers of father and son . we understand the father, 45 year old, 45 years old son in his twenty's. the son we believe is more seriously wounded. but both are being treated in the hospital for the injuries. at least 42 pilots to the
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ends up being arrested after a palestinian gunman killed 7 people outside the synagogue on friday that he was shot dead. israel's military says it's increasing his presence in the occupied west bank. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is to meet his security habit later. he's promised immediate action after the latest violence. she's gonna push him off or not. we are here after one of the hardest attacks in recent years. i convened situation assessment with all the security forces. we decided on several immediate actions. we have to work with determination and composure. i call on people not to take the law into their own hands. for that we have an army, police and security forces. the shooting came a day after 9 people were killed during a raid by as ready forces in the janine refugee camp. it was the deadliest rate in decades and other palestinian were shot dead while protesting against the deaths in gaza among cause as many words, the violence will escalate. in the past,
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we have seen things happening occupied westbank that have it impact and gaza. there's a saying, if it's all to the pod west back, it finishes and goes what they mean by that is often these operations here. ah, people are looking to the security to the as security cabinet meeting that's going to take place in israel. if they announce that there is a link, say to hamas in the gaza strip, to say to islamic jad in the gaza strip, the people here will prepare for war. but, but i don't know how they do that. there's no bomb shelters here. there's no sirens, as i advanced warning system now has to be said that nobody's taken here. so fall responsibility full the attack. and indeed the 21 year old who attacked strictly in the synagogue, has no known political affiliations. and he doesn't seem to have a security fall on him in israel purchase, have been held to call steve as after police and memphis released video showing officers beating unarmed blackman tyree nichols late to dined and hospital. several
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people were arrested during confrontations between police and protest is in new york city. u. s. president joe biden said that he was outraged by the video and coal for protest to be peaceful. i spoke with martha don't folder that i was going to be making the comment that the georgia board, i guess it's not. this is goal. i can only do so much in executive order, the federal level and, and i was really please, if you call for no people protest, no, no violence, no good at all. at least one pilot has been killed after 2 indian apples find 2 jets crashed in mid air. the collision happened over the stays of mother production . roger on 2 crew members from one plane were taken to hospital. the new details on those from the 2nd. both jets to call from the globe add base,
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and you follow those stories on our website. development of a dot com is updated through the day. of course, our top story is younger intention across israel and the occupied territories. we'll have more on that in our news bulletin in the news our in our time next, it's the bottom line to stay with us. the news hi, i'm steve clemens and i have a question now that israel has a new right wing government in place. does the biden administration have a new strategy to deal with it? let's get to the bottom line. ah, the middle east has long been put on the backburner by us administrations, but there's been a flurry of diplomatic activity after israel held this latest elections. president
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joe biden sent his national security advisor jake sullivan, to meet with israeli and palestinian leaders last week. and now his secretary of state anthony blinking is going next week is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu has stacked his new government with ministers who let's face it, have a history of racism, an incitement against palestinians, and is moving towards basically annexing the west bank. that goes against the official us policy, which is to keep the door open to a palestinian state. but is that still on the table? or is us policy toward israel mainly focused on other regional issues like iran and saudi arabia. today we're talking with professor juan cole, who teaches history at the university of michigan, and is the chief editor of informed comment, a website focused on u. s. foreign policy. doctor cole, it's so good to be talking with you again. can you give our viewers a snapshot of the moment, both politically, in israel, politically in palestine, and what joe biden is up to sending his national security adviser and that
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secretary of state into israel. now the israeli political system is broken. i, it's head, the state has had several elections just a couple years and they've been had a great to difficulty putting together a ruling whole issue that had any staying power. or what of the problems had been that most center and center, right? oh. parties in israel were reluctant to align with the lucas party, which is led by ben. you mean to know that in ya is under is, is on trial, were corruption. ah, and is notoriously difficult to work with. they did put together a government last year that just lasted for a year, but only by the expediency of inviting essentially a mother,
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a muslim brotherhood party of palestinian israeli st to, to join the government was the 1st time that this had happened in israeli history. and that was a very difficult coalition of a parties that didn't agree with one another and collapse last summer in part over the west bank because there's a law that extends israeli lot administration to be squatters from israel on palestinian land in the west bank. that was up for renewal and the part of the coalition that was palestinian israelis declined to go along with with going it in. and so the government lapsed over that they had new elections. and since the center right, didn't want to well less with net. anyhow. he wanted to put together a government he was willing to cross red lines that had been there in israeli
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politics. and to invite into his cabinet. members of very, very, very far right parties. i mean it would not be wrong to call them racists and fascist parties. and leaders of which had in fact been convicted of racial incitement. and these were untouchable groups in previous is really politics the but then nothing. you want it to be prime minister so much they brought them in and he not only brought them in but gave them a great deal of power, including over because tinian occupied population in the palestinian west bank. well, nothing yo has made pronouncements that he wants to extend is really sovereignty everywhere. including the negative and the west bank where there are
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substantial augustinian israeli populations. and there's talk of annexation of the west bank or of parts of it. and this is a huge public relations problem for the biden administration. so i guess my question is, what from your perspective is not clicking in terms of israel coming to terms with its immediate neighborhood, even though it had the abraham accords. and even though it has normalized with other parts of the arab world, well steve, you make good points. it's those kind of shocking to see a society like israel's, which is full of highly educated people. the majority of whom have liberal values being ruled by this kind of very far right government. but on the other hand,
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you know, let's look at it this way. first of all, israel shouldn't be thought of as, as that different from other countries. as g d p is kind of like portugal. and although people are well off, it is real, they're still poverty. and the per capita income is, is i was middle income countries. so it's, it's not a rich country, it's not dubai. and moreover, it's an immigrant society. and this is very important for, it's for the call evolution. the 1st generation of politically active israelis who came after world war 2 were many of them, a holocaust survivors. are, you know, we're european, central european jews. these are called us canada, xen, and they tend to be left of center. there's the labor party kind of ruled the roost and dominated many institutions in israeli society. but at the same time
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that they were coming or a little later, actually riots broke out and various forms of persecution broke out in the muslim world against jews who were then identified with israelis. and there was anger over the expulsion of palestinians. and in one way, in the information of israel in the world. and so large numbers of people came to israel, who were easterners, they were so far deem or misery, him juice. and they very different values and customs and full ways that the central european just did. so you were throwing tunisians in moroccans and iranians in with germans and polls and so forth. and initially the, the eastern jews were disadvantaged. they,
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they had the lowest jobs and society, they were manuals, and there were demonstrations in 1965 on their part against the noisy dominance of everything. but then from the seventy's, they got to be numerous and arch that they were invited in by the food party, which was a right wing party, the challenge, labor and challenge. the israeli center left. ah. and they went for it with alacrity. ah. and so you have this middle eastern, jewish community with middle eastern antecedents. dad used to the used to the right of fuels, you know, aggrieved in the same way. perhaps that trump supporters in the united states fell to grief by their exclusion from the heights of his really society. and then in the ninety's, you had a 1000000 post. sophia,
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people come in russians and ukrainians, and other people from the old east block. and they were from a society that was the soviet union, and most of the union, russia was collapsing, the last 10000000 people to, to, to alcoholism and institutions weren't functioning. and these people who came in right to israel wanted, wanted to make a new life. and they had no sympathy with palestinians right there. they were in it for themselves. right. what are the problems of legitimacy and direction on the palestinian side? well, you know, those elections that were held in 2006 were relatively free and open and hamas one down. right. and the bush administration had convinced the israeli government over its better instincts to allow him to run. and how much is victory was acceptable to
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the americans and to the israelis was a huge mistake on bushes part. and then they, over through the mosque, government arrested many of its members except they were unable to overthrow it in, in the gaza strip. in the west bank, it was simply, there was a coup vapor of yellow. ah, and since the pillow doesn't know whether it would win, no, their election doesn't hold them. and i think the americans do these really are, you know, put pressure on them not to hold them. it's true that the palestine authority is riddled with corruption. but you know, i, i don't think that the, it blame for this stagnant stagnation of palestinian politics in the west bank and gaza or for the more extremist voices that we hear from
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it. you know, falls on the college since they're unoccupied people. they're not allowed during much in the way of me and even the, the palestine authority, which helps the israelis to least the palestinians, basically only it's read only runs to 40 percent of the west bank rest is under direct israeli military rule. so unoccupied population that gradually having its progress taken away, its sovereignty taken away, its land taken away is not going to throw up healthy politics. this is not a situation that this going to be conducive to that. you know, one of the things that has struck me over years of, of being interested in this issue is watching american, senior officials come out with a strong objective to try to resolve these issues. you know, deal with try to figure out strategies to de, occupy the west bank. i remember secretary john kerry now the climate in boy a
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president biden said there is no more important issue would always show us maps in his office of things that he felt were rages and that he was gonna make them the highest priority and go in and do them, and every single time these efforts were neutralized or not taken forward by the presidents in place. what do you think president biden is trying to do really with jake sullivan and anthony blinking right now? or is it just floundering? well, i have a pretty cynical view of american policy on this, steve. i think that the biden administration is among the more pro israeli administrations that we've seen. it's not going to play fair with palestinian and i think, you know, the way that the americans have muddled through their need, your support for virtually anything it is really government does to keep talking about a peace process and a 2 state solution. and there is, there hasn't been
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a peace process of any genuine sort for, for a decade. and the prospect of the israelis ever letting palestinians have a state is, is slim to none. so this, these are just montrose, these are just things that, you know, the u. s. gets criticized by a steer a p at allies for supporting this and supportable illegal occupation of 5000000 people who are stripped to citizenship in a basic human rights. and what does the us say, well, we're working on it, we have a peace process, will be a 2 state solution. so what put these invoice from biden are doing, are going to to net to y'all and, and sank. be, be shut up. you know, you, you're, you are upsetting the apple cart here because the things you are saying are incompatible with our montrose in compatible with a 2 state solution and compatible with their being a piece process. i don't think the pressure is on him to do very much,
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but they just don't want him to give away the show and tell the world what exactly is happening when you know another dimension here that i find interesting is netanyahu seems to be indicated, indicating that they're very close to announcing, you know, normalization of some sort with saudi arabia. is there a point where relations with saudi arabia, with china, with russia out flank, america's influence with israel, despite all of our contributions, despite all of american investment in israel? is there a point geopolitically where israel has options other than the united states? well, i don't think that's even on the table right now. steve. the israelis in the united states are very close and i don't see that changing anytime soon. i think what the issue is expanding the number of states that recognized israel in the arab world is that jerry pushed nor picked off the easy ones already. so the united arab
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emirates never really been at war with israel and is close to it and, and is a small state of a 1000000 citizens plus $9000000.00 or $8000000.00 guest workers. so, and which one it access to israeli technology. so they're doing great technological interchanges, the u. a and israel, it was a marriage made in heaven from their point of view and battering to tiny country in the persian gulf, which is deeply afraid of being annexed by iran. would do anything to avoid that. and so even making friends with israel, which is anti iranian makes sense for them. they brought in morocco, which has its own domestic problems. and this was a way of getting international recognition for, from rocco's claims to the western sahara. so, but then after that,
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algeria, you know, sir, here, these other countries are not, you know, i think so easily convinced them, and even saudi arabia, you know, the old guard and saudi arabia, king psalm on, and the people around him are dead set against normal relations. with israel until there's palestinian state they put forward is the, the saudis put forward a piece plan in the early zeros, and they still stick to it. the younger generation in saudi arabia, leaders like mom had been somebody i think would be perfectly happy. and his signal this in new york to throw the palestinians under the bus and just make normal relations with israel. but i think until his father dies your little unlikely to see progress on normalization between israel and saudi arabia. and the, the fact that natania has brought in these flaming extremists on designers side
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makes it even more difficult for kings online to, to move forward. and remember, there's the, the saudis are 40 percent, well, hobby, and there are a lot of people in saudi arabia who really anti israel. and while the king is an absolute monarch, he does have to shift with the winds a little bit. so the taking this step at this juncture, i think, could really cause domestic troubles and saudi arabia and for that reason that i don't expect. well, i think one of the constant, you know, dimensions of the chessboard in the region is whether, you know, iran continues to be the driver of closer relationships between these states. you know, you a, e, and as you said, bahrain saudi arabia and israel, whether it happens now, or, you know, a few years from now essentially a common purpose of defense. but along that line, i want to raise
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a letter. there was an open letter published by someone you know, well, former us ambassador israel daniel kurtz or wrote an open letter to president biden . and here it is. he says, israel should be told that while the united states will continue to support its allies, legitimate security requirements, it will not provide offensive weapons or other assistance for malign israel actions in jerusalem or the occupied territories. perhaps what the encourage you're saying, let's not, let's not give israel any tools to further encroach or move on what prime minister netanyahu has said by, you know, finally envelope being and annexing all of the west bank. but at the same time, there is a very big security dimension to the abraham courts and is a very big security dimension to our relationship with israel on its defense. that does involve trying to preempt both iran and it's appendages that are operating in the middle east. so how do you square, how do you read dan kurtz or is comment and square it?
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well, i think creature is judicious thinker on these matters and that the by the administration has taken to heart what he said it's been leaked and you know, i can't prove this, but it's been leak that j sullivan, the national security advisor. when he met with matt danielle, even put pressure on him about his domestic plans. that nathan yo wants to neuter the israeli court system and to allow parliament to overrule judicial review of a law that's found unconstitutional was just a simple majority. and to have the prime minister play a bigger role or a role doesn't now have and you know, appointing justices and so forth. the steps that if they were taken in the form that they've been suggested would make israel, you know, another hungary, it would be a big move towards autocracy. and it's leak. the sullivan told him that if he does
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this to the, to the court, that it's going to make it very difficult for the biden administration to get israel. many of the things that israel wants from the u. s. congress. because you have a 40 caucus, a progressive wing of the biden democratic party, and 40 person caucus that is extremely upset about what's going on in israel and the lack of progress where dr for palestinians. and if, if israel starts to look more and more like a 3rd world dictatorship, the liberal democrats are just not going to give the israelis benefit of doubt in the, in their appropriations. but just finally, you know, when you kind of look at the politics of that, if that 40 member progressive wing of the house, which is no longer in control of the house, or even president biden were to veto packages of support that came in from congress,
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from a republican controlled house that got through the senate and, and were so, you know, turn their and by and reject it. we have elections of the united states in 2 years . is this become a very big political issue. when we may see the return of president trump, or someone who seems and sounds a lot like president trump, perhaps rhonda centers or others, you don't come along where now we have a very stark divide. that is very consequential for the course of israel, depending on whether republican president wins or a democratic president winds will. netanyahu has more or less openly campaigned for republican presidents. there isn't any doubt that he feels that israel is given a greater room to maneuver by the republicans, and it's true that president trump really didn't deny them anything they wanted. but we don't know, of course,
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but the future where the future lies. but biden is not able to act unilaterally as his own democratic party to please, and he seems to want to run for reelection, which means making democrats enthusiastic about him. well, if you look at the polling, there are a lot of democrats who are very upset with the new governor and, and the direction that israel is going and, and especially among the young people and, and it appears that the youth vote, which is often called upon but seldom materializes actually made a very significant difference in the mid terms and how democrats avoid losing a lot of seats. so biden is it, is it a tough position? because he has to make his israel supporting constituency happy. and that's not solely jewish. other lot of
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wasps and others who traditionally been very supportive israel, but he also has to to make the progressives in the party and the youth happy. and they're right now next ya is presenting him with the scenario where it's very difficult or impossible to do both at the same time. and that's why i think sullivan and, and others have been trying to signal 2 to 10 years to, to stop talking about these things in public. never enough time, global affairs analyst and university michigan, professor juan cole. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us today. thanks for i realize you. so what's the bottom line is really society has veered to the right. and even though there are many israelis who lament their current situation for now the rejection as are in power. and there doesn't seem to be a chance for a lasting resolution. at the same time the policy and leadership doesn't aspire much hope either. as mahmoud abbas remains empowering continues to delay or cancel
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fair elections. this month, he began his 18th year as president in a term that should have ended in 2009. but history doesn't move in a straight line, the extremism and dare i say, racism, that is now become part of the prevailing leadership of israel. may in fact, finally trigger a political alternative that is long overdue, and israel and a smarter, less corrupt generation on both sides. it says enough is enough until then any u. s. president will probably wait it out. and that's sadly the bottom line. ah, lou, show me
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a ah, wherever you go in the world, one a line goes to make it feel exceptional. katara always going places together. ah, what channel is there with me? so robin dubois, reminder of all the top news stories that be more violence in occupied east jerusalem to israel lisa being injured in.

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