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one of the most special that lands on the flat rise inconsistency light on al jazeera, the latest news, as it breaks. it forces her about a kilometer in that direction. in military is scared now with detail coverage, where israel has the palestinian economy on the verge of collapse for decade, from around the world, this proto thought expanded too broad, a social movement, not just again, increasingly a different time, but also events. the continuing cost of living crisis. ah, your child is there with me. so robin in dough reminder of our top news stories. israel has been accused of carrying a collective punishment after announcing
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a series of strict security measures against palestinians. the government turn veiled its plan in response to attacks against israelis occupied east jerusalem. a cabinet to sher, the cabinet approved a series of steps yesterday to combat terrorism. on the one hand, we are increasing the deployment and activity of the security forces. and on the other hand, we are exacting a heavy price from terror perpetrators and they supporters this morning we sealed the home of the terrorist who carried out the horrendous attack and jerusalem. and his home will be demolished. we decided on the cancellation of social security rights of families who support terrorism. and the government will discuss further steps including the cancellation of identity cards and stripping residency of families of terrorists who support terrorism. so kyra has more from west jerusalem . a lot of these measures are what benjamin netanyahu promised. this where he said he would act fast. the national security minister bank has also come out saying
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that the previous governments didn't act fast enough when a tax like this were carried out. and this government is serious and that it will be following through. and as we have seen, some of these measures have come out very quickly and they're already being implemented. well, the reason tension is expected to be a topic of discussion during the us secretary of state, visit antony, blink. and miss cheryl to arrive. injuries them on monday morning after his brief visit to egypt on sunday. it's his 1st trips has been that's his far right. coalition government took office, lincoln is also expected to meet palestinian officials in the occupied west bank, where his agency is reporting us official saying that israel may have been behind saturday's train attacking the wrong destroy kit of military building near the city of his home. the wrong that at least one drive was shot down and the explosion calls might damage in this cowardly attack was carried out against this security body. so powerfully acting to ensure maximum national security and such
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moves can't impact on nuclear. scientists will add intention to achieve peaceful nuclear energy. alizay's father craft of his a convoy trucks near the searing the rocky border. as according to the syrian observatory, the human rights explosions were seen in the city of allah book, amal, after the vehicles crossed the border from iraq. the trucks are reportedly being used by rocky armed groups, backed by iran. in november, a similar attack was blamed on israel through his present dinner below to hazard resignation and called on congress to move elections forward from 2024 to december . this year, parliament will debate the proposal again on monday, after rejecting it on saturday. been insanely anti government protest, the former president federal castillo was impeached and arrested in december. motion strikes of killed at least 3 people in ukraine, southern city of cache on 6 others were injured in the attack, which struck in apartment building and other civilian infrastructure. so when you
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were thing karma, the russian army has been shallow care, so on atrociously all day presidential buildings, very social and transport facilities, including a hospital post office and bus station have been damaged to them and the wounded in the hospital. as of now, the reports of 6 wounded and 3 dead, my condolences to all those who have lost loved ones to rush in terror. meanwhile, an elderly woman has been killed after me saw his residential building in the ne density of keith, 3 other people sustained minor injuries when the full story block was hit. at least 40 people have died in southwestern, boxed on after a bus fell for the bridge. it was reportedly carrying 48 passengers when it hit a pillar and plunged off the road early on sunday. and at least 10 students from a religious school have died after the cup size to the lake, around 25 children on the board when the vessel went down in kind of a poxel province in pakistan. 8 of them are still missing. but counting is underway
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in tennessee as parliamentary election. the 2nd man took place on sunday, but only a little overland percent of people have cast their ballots. those were the headlines. i'll be back with more news in half of the next on our desert. it's the bottom line to stay with us. ah, hi, i'm steve clemens and i have a question now that israel has a new right wing government in place, does the biden administration have a new strategy to deal with it? let's get to the bottom line. ah, the middle east has long been put on the backburner by us administrations, but there's been a flurry of diplomatic activity after israel held its latest elections. president joe biden sent his national security adviser jake sullivan to meet with israeli and palestinian leaders last week. and now his secretary of state anthony blinking is
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going next week is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu has stacked his new government with ministers who let's face it, have a history of racism and incitement against palestinians and is moving towards basically annexing the west bank. that goes against official u. s. policy, which is to keep the door open to a palestinian state. but is that still on the table? or is us policy toward israel mainly focused on other regional issues like iran and saudi arabia. today we're talking with professor juan cole, who teaches history at the university of michigan, and is the chief editor of informed comment, a website focused on u. s. foreign policy. doctor cole, it's so good to be talking with you again. can you give our viewers a snapshot of the moment, both politically, in israel, politically in palestine, and what joe biden is up to sending his national security adviser and the secretary of state into israel. now the israeli political system is broken. i, it's had the state has had several elections just
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a couple years and they've been had a great deal of difficulty putting together a ruling coalition that had any staying power. one of the problems had been that most center and center right. parties in israel were reluctant to align with the lucas party, which is led by ben. you mean that anyhow, that's in ya is under is i is on trial. we're corruption. ah, and is notoriously difficult to work with. they did put together a government last year that just lasted for a year, but only by the expediency of inviting essentially a mother, a muslim brotherhood party of palestinian israeli st to,
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to join the government was the 1st time this this had happened in israeli history. and that was a very difficult coalition of a parties that didn't agree with one another. and it's lapse last summer in part over the west bank because there's a law that extends israeli lot administration to be squatters from israel on ballast indian land in the west bank that was up for renewal. and the part of the coalition that was palestinian israelis declined to go along with, with voting it in. and so the government lapsed over that they had new elections. and since the center right, didn't want to well less with net. anyhow, he wanted to put together a government he was willing to cross red lines that had been there in israeli politics. and to invite into his cabinet. members of
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very, very, very far right parties. i mean, it would not be wrong to call them racists and fascist parties, and leaders of which had in fact been convicted of racial incitement. and these were untouchable groups in previous israeli politics the but then net in y'all wanted to be prime minister so much they brought them in. and he not only brought them in, but gave them a great deal of power including over because tinian occupied population in the palestinian west bank. well, nothing yo has made pronouncements that he wants to extend is really sovereignty everywhere. including the negative and the west bank. where there are substantial post india and israeli populations and there's
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talk annexation of the west bank or of, of parts of it. and this is a huge public relations problem for the biden administration. so i guess my question is, what, from your perspective is not clicking in terms of israel coming to terms with its immediate neighborhood, even though it had the abraham accords. and even though it has normalized with other parts of the arab world. well, steve, you make good points. it's those kind of shocking to see a society like israel's, which is full of highly educated people, the majority of whom have liberal values being ruled by this kind of very far right government. but on the other hand, you know, let's look at it this way. first of all, israel shouldn't be thought of as, as that different from other countries. as g d p is kind of like portugal. and
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although people are well off, it is real, they're still poverty. and the per capita income is is the middle income countries . so it's, it's not a rich country, it's not dubai. and moreover, it's an immigrant society. and this is very important for its clinical evolution. the 1st generation of politically active israelis who came after world war 2 were many of them, a holocaust survivors are, you know, we're european, central european jews. these are called us canada, xen, and they tend to be left of center. there's the labor party kind of ruled the roost and dominated many institutions in israeli society. but at the same time that they were coming or a little later, actually riots broke out and various forms of persecution broke out in the muslim
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world against jews who were then identified with israelis. and there was anger over the expulsion of palestinians. and in one way, in the information of israel in the world. and so large numbers of people came to israel, who were easterners, they were so far deem or misery, him, jews. and they very different values and customs and full ways that the central european just did. so you were throwing tunisians and moroccans and iranians in with germans and polls and so forth. and initially the, the eastern jews were disadvantaged. they, they had the lowest jobs in society, they renewals, and there were demonstrations in 1965 on their part against the osh denies the
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dominance of everything. but then from the seventy's, they got to be numerous and arch that they were invited in by the food party, which was a right wing party challenge labor and challenged the israeli center left. ah. and they went for it with alacrity. ah. and so you have this middle eastern jewish community with middle eastern antecedents. dad used to the used to the right of fuels, you know, aggrieved in the same way, perhaps that trump's supporters in the united states fell to grieve by their exclusion from the heights of israeli society. and then in the ninety's, you had a 1000000 post. soviet people come in, russians and ukrainians, and other people from the old east block. and they were
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from a society that was the soviet union. and most of the union, russia was collapsing, the last 10000000 people to, to, to alcoholism and restitution weren't functioning. and these people who came in right to israel wanted, wanted to make a new life and they had no sympathy with palestinians right there. they were in it for themselves, right. what are the problems of legitimacy and direction on the palestinian side? well, you know, those elections that were held in 2006 were relatively free and open and hamas one down. right. and the bush administration had convinced the israeli government over its better instincts to allow us to run and how much is victory was acceptable to the americans in to the israelis was a huge mistake on bushes part. and then they,
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over through the mosque, government arrested many of its members except they were unable to overthrow it in, in the gaza strip in the west bank. it was simply, but there was a cool sabre of yellow. ah. and since the pillow doesn't know whether it would win, no, their election doesn't hold them. and i think the americans do these really are, you know, put pressure on them not to hold them. it's true that the palestine authority is riddled with corruption. but you know, i, i don't think that the, the blame for this stagnant stagnation of palestinian politics in the west bank and gaza or for the more extremist voices that we hear from it. you know, falls on the coast indians there and occupy people. they're not allowed during much in the way of me and even the palestine authority,
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which helps the israelis to least the palestinians, basically only it's read only runs to 40 percent of the west bank rest is under direct israeli military rule. so unoccupied population that gradually having its progress taken away, its sovereignty taken away, its land taken away is not going to throw up healthy politics. this is not a situation that is going to be conducive to that. you know, one of the things that has struck me over years of, of being interested in this issue is watching american, senior officials come out with a strong objective to try to resolve these issues. you know, deal with try to figure out strategies to de, occupy the west bank. i remember secretary john kerry now the climate in boy a president biden said there's no more important issue would always show us maps in his office of things that he felt were rages and that he was gonna make them the
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highest priority and go in and do them and every single time these efforts were neutralized or not taken forward by the presidents in place. what do you think president biden is trying to do really with jake sullivan and anthony blinking right now? or is it just floundering? well, i have a pretty cynical view of american policy on the steve. i think the, the biden administration is among the more pro israeli administrations that we've seen. it's not going to play fair with palestinians. and i think, you know, the way that the americans have muddled through their need, your support for virtually anything is really government does to keep talking about a peace process and a 2 state solution. and there is, there hasn't been a peace process of any genuine sort for, for a decade. and the prospect of the israelis ever letting palestinians have
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a state is, is slim to none. so this, these are just montrose, these are just things that, you know, the u. s. gets criticized by a steer a p at allies for supporting this and supportable illegal occupation of 5000000 people who are stripped to citizenship in a basic human rights. and what does the us say, well, we're working on it, we have a peace process will be a 2 state solution. so what put these invoice from biden are doing are going to to net 10 yell and, and sank. be, be shut up. you know, you, you are, you are upsetting the apple cart here because the things you are saying are incompatible with our montrose in compatible with a 2 state solution and compatible with their being a piece process. i don't think the pressure is on him to do very much, but they just don't want him to give away the show and tell the world what exactly is happening when you know another dimension here that i find interesting is
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netanyahu seems to be indicated, indicating that they're very close to announcing, you know, normalization of some sort with saudi arabia. is there a point where relations with saudi arabia, with china, with russia out flank america's influence with israel, despite all of our contributions, despite all of american investment in israel? is there a point geopolitically where israel has options other than the united states? well, i don't think that's even on the table right now. steve. the israelis in the united states are very close and i don't see that changing anytime soon. i think what the issue is expanding the number of states that recognized israel in the arab world is that jerry pushed nor picked off the easy ones already. so the united arab emirates never really been at war with israel and isn't close to it. and, and is
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a small state of a 1000000 citizens plus $9000000.00 or $8000000.00 guest workers. so, and which one is access to is really technology. so they're doing great technological interchange is the us and israel, it was a marriage made in heaven from their point of view and battering to tiny country in the persian gulf, which is deeply afraid of being annexed by iran. would do anything to avoid that. and so even making friends with israel, which is an iranian makes sense for them, they brought in morocco, which has its own domestic problems. and this was a way of getting international recognition for rocco's claims to the western sahara . so, but then after that, algeria, you know, sir, here, these other countries are now, you know,
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i've been so easily convinced them and even saudi arabia, you know, the old guard and saudi arabia king saw me on and the people around him are dead set against normal relations with israel until there's palestinian state. they put forward is the pallet, the saudis put forward a piece plan in the early zeros, and they still stick to it. the younger generation in saudi arabia, leaders like mom had been saw mon, i think, would be perfectly happy. and his signal this in new york to throw the palestinians under the bus and just make normal relations with israel. but i think until his father dies it little unlikely to see progress on normalization between israel and saudi arabia. and the fact that natania has brought in these flaming extremists on designers side makes it even more difficult for kings
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online to, to move forward. and remember, there's the, the saudis are 40 percent, well, hobby, and there are a lot of people in saudi arabia who really anti israel. and while the king is an absolute monarch, he does have to shift with the winds a little bit. so the taking this step at this juncture, i think, could really cause domestic troubles and saudi arabia and for that reason that i don't expect. well, i think one of the constant dimensions of the chessboard in the region is whether, you know, iran continues to be the driver of closer relationships between these states. you know, the u a. e, and as you said, bahrain, saudi arabia and israel, whether it happens now, or, you know, a few years from now, but essentially, a common purpose of defense. but along that line, i want to raise a letter, there was an open letter published by someone, you know, well, former us ambassador israel daniel kurtz or wrote an open letter to president biden
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. and here it is. he says, israel should be told that while the united states will continue to support its allies, legitimate security requirements, it will not provide offensive weapons or other assistance for malign israel actions in jerusalem or the occupied territories. perhaps would be encouraged. you're saying, let's not, let's not give israel any tools to further encroach or move on what prime minister netanyahu has said by, you know, finally envelope being and annexing all of the west bank. but at the same time, there is a very big security dimension to the abraham courts and is a very big security dimension to our relationship with israel on its defense. that does involve trying to preempt both iran and its appendages that are operating in the middle east. so how do you square, how do you read dan curtis comment and square it? well, i, i think, creatures judicious thinker on these matters and that the by the administration has taken to heart what he said it's been leaked and you know, i can't prove this,
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but it's been leaked. jake sullivan, the national security advisor, when he met with matt danielle, even put pressure on him about his domestic plans. that natania wants to neuter the israeli court system and to allow parliament to overrule judicial review of a law that is found. and constitutional was just a simple majority to have the prime minister play a bigger role or a role doesn't now have and you know, appointing justices and so forth. the steps that if they were taken in the form that they've been suggested would make israel, you know, another hungary, it would be a big move towards autocracy. and it's leak. the sullivan told him that if he does this to the, to the court, that it's going to make it very difficult for the biden administration to get
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israel. many of the things that israel wants from the u. s. congress. because you have a 40 caucus, a progressive wing of the biden democratic party, and 40 person caucus that is extremely upset about what's going on in israel and the lack of progress. where dr for palestinians. and if israel starts to look more and more like a 3rd world dictatorship, the liberal democrats are just not going to get the israelis benefit out in the, in their appropriations. but just finally, you know, when you kind of look at the politics of that, if that 40 member progressive wing of the house, which is no longer in control of the house, or even president biden were to veto packages of support that came in from congress, from a republican controlled house that got through the senate and, and were so, you know,
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turn their and vital to reject it. we have elections of the united states in 2 years. is this become a very big political issue. when we may see the return of president trump, or someone who seems and sounds a lot like president trump, perhaps rhonda centers or others, you don't come along where now we have a very stark divide. that is very consequential for the course of israel, depending on whether republican president wins or a democratic president wins. yeah, well, no, 10 y'all has more or less openly campaigned for republican presidents. there isn't any doubt that he feels that israel is given a greater room maneuver by the republicans and it's true that president trump really didn't deny them anything they wanted. but we don't know, of course, but the future where the future lies. but biden is not able to act unilaterally, has his own democratic party to please, and he seems to want to run for reelection,
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which means making democrats enthusiastic about him. well, if you look at the polling, there are a lot of democrats who are very upset with the net and you know, governor and, and the direction that israel is going and, and especially among the young people and, and it appears that the youth vote which is often called upon, but seldom materializes actually made a very significant difference in the mid terms and how democrats avoid losing a lot of seats. so biden is it, is it a tough position? because he has to make his israel supporting constituency happy, and that's not solely jewish. other lot of wasps and others who traditionally been very supportive israel,
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but he also has to to make the progressives in the party and the youth happy. and they're right now, next ya is presenting him with the scenario. words very difficult or impossible to do both at the same time. and that's why i think sullivan and, and others have been trying to signal 2 to 10 year old to stop talking about these things in public. never enough time, global affairs analyst and university of michigan professor juan cole. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us today. thanks, brian. so what's the bottom line is really, society has veered to the right. and even though there are many israelis who lament their current situation for now, the rejection is, are in power. and there doesn't seem to be a chance for a lasting resolution. at the same time, the palestinian leadership doesn't aspire much hope either. as mahmoud abbas remains empowering continues to delay or cancel fair elections. this month, he began his 18th year as president in
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a term that should have ended in 2009. but history doesn't move in a straight line, the extremism and dare i say, racism that has now become part of their prevailing leadership, of israel may in fact, finally trigger a political alternative that is long overdue in israel and a smarter, less corrupt generation on both sides that says enough is enough until then any u. s. president will probably wait it out. and that's sadly, the bottom line ah, from the al jazeera london rural call center to people in thoughtful conversation. i got matt to wes, racism when i was at the university of oxford, which really scared me because i was like these people are going to be in positions of power with no host. and no limitation. empire is the reason that we live in a multicultural society part 2 of 5 shaheen and atom rather fate. studio
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