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coal. mine will catch up with those involved in the movement and ask how such campaigns are impacting how people relate to the global climate emergency. as always, your comments and questions are a welcome part of this program. so just jump into our live youtube chat and be a part of the show. ah, joining us from darkman, germany, deena jaime, the university student and environmental activist who lived in lutes are off until the recent police eviction in dusseldorf. maria in t mattson dorothy, a health information scientist and a member of scientist, rebellion and in berlin, alexander gravel and environmental activist. so many questions for you all, but i'm going to start with the basic one. let's talk about your feelings. alexander, what frustrates you most about what's happening there and specifically about the
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new planned coal mine that set for expansion? i guess to most sing of us trust me most is the fact that in germany value, oh, an extra security to be more important than human lives in the global cells. so this is allen. my main concern is just moment that my, our energy policy yet basically killing people in the global cells. well, that's very so thank then certainly something that all of us can understand. i'm wondering, you know, ah, alexander, the government, which includes the green party as part of that coalition, agreed to the mine expansion on the condition that the energy firm would phase out cole 8 years earlier than planned in the western state of north rind westphalia. so they viewed this compromise as a, when do you, is it a, when no, it's not about a year. been be exit the color firing. it's about the amount of seo tool that
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release into the atmosphere. if you have the lease and ashad a time period, a higher amount of c o 2 in the atmosphere, then this early a year is a meat meaningless to me actually. so meaning, this is an interesting term, dina, you living there for 2 years, i can imagine was certainly not meaningless. i want to know, you know, camping out there, putting your body on the line. al jazeera, of course, followed your last day there before police whisked you away and evicted everybody. i'm curious. what was it like for you? and what's your takeaway in all of this? the village for 2 and a half years. so what was really important to us is not only protesting against the coal, which of course sustained the ground, but also living a life and followed there, living a life where we can get a feeling for what the climate just world we're trying to make. might look like
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right, so that's something that we thought for and that can be taken from us. now, although we'll ask to place, and i think that even though the village is gone, the coal still is in the ground. and that's something that we can still fight for. so maybe that's a small win right there. and i'm curious in the meantime, maria in t because i asked alexander about his feelings. i want to ask you about yours. i mean, how were you personally affected by the protest? yeah, so my feelings are along the line of alexander's because, basically, what i really find hard to understand is why germany a country which is, you know, technologically very advanced, is not enhancing up scaling up the renewable energy. and instead of still trying to secure their energy with dirty coal late night,
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which is the most detrimental or that re mitral cold type that we have. and yeah, i mean, as a scientist, it's really hard to believe why we're still clinging onto this technology to this all technology instead of jumping on the new one. well, i mean, that's the question, right? you know, so many of us are concerned about the climate emergency, but so many of us don't really understand perhaps what the immediate step should be . or there's not, at least i should say, consensus on that. i do want to share it with our audience as well. as with you, another concern that a lot of people have about what was happening there in the village, you know, in terms of the police brutality and what, you know, the images that the world sort of witnessed. we have a video that was sent to us from tino 5, talking about the police brutality at the protest. take a look punch as
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a parent of the protests and it's about and who has seen those and the police violence. i think i've seen all of those and bleeding, nose, bleeding, indications on hats. i'm really irritated of the most reports in german media at my say, if i was to take it by 4 police officers without any reasons and see cases i, they punch me in my face. i think the media get the impression that well, so while and mass of protests, but it's not true to scenes. remind me on parole that goes out of control and to stay one different and the difference is where i'm it and peaceful and to pretty troops. yeah, can i say where like wyatt, who can troops on when, when they, when hunt do you know like wild hooligan groups when they want to hunt?
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i'm curious, you know, if we look at this photo view that i think this is the last day when you were being escorted out essentially evicted, you have a smile on your face. i wonder how you were feeling and what your thoughts were in this moment. and what your thoughts are about the future of how to fight against this it's, i'm going to be totally honest with you. when i thought it was taken 2 minutes ago, i was sitting in the house. i was evicted from crying because i had just experienced pain groups from the police, and that was only one part of the police brutality. i mean, we just heard it. and like we from the protest took our time to really get a grasp of what happened in terms of police capacity. and we counted many, many interest to the head, especially and to the kidneys, which is really dangerous, as well as you know, like at least 15 hospitalized people at least 10 broken bones. and that's just from
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the little bit of feedback that we got from people. and i think that what would this really shows is, i mean, many people in germany and beyond were shocked by the pictures of police violence being out in the open on the field. but police violence is a life reality for many people everywhere, for especially for poor people, for marginalized people, for black people. and we know this, and this is how the police works in our stated act, to protect interests. and in this case, corporate interests. so i see that you're nodding nodding, maria into what one was making you not. i mean, i know there's so many questions about, you know, for example, a basic one does energy security actually have to be achieved with coal? and i'm wondering if you can explain to our audience in the most simple terms, what is really wrong with this particular mine and coal mining in general?
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well, so basically, as i already mentioned before, league nice is the dirtiest form of coal. so it have a lot of health impact, not only while it is being burned, which is something that most people will understand. if you burn coal, you generate air pollution. so fine particulate matter that is not only relevant around the plant, but it's also taken away. and polluting the air much more further way than the original planned. so we have this air pollution component that is a problem. when you burn the coal. we also have the problem close to the mine. so already by a while being excavated, the excavation process causes air pollution and also releases mercury and mercury is like a very a yup. but it's very bad for your health. so we have 2 main components. we have
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fine particulate matter that impact your alarm that impacts your cardiovascular system and we have the mercury as well. so we have the rebel damage to m prolonged exposure. we have yeah, different problems with the heart. and of course, with your lung function and counselors that are associated with the prolonged exposure. and if we didn't eat, sorry, nothing originally because i, i very much agree with what you know said like we don't need this coal to secure germany's energy system. and the government is actually doing this to secure profits. and as a scientist, i cannot accept this, you know, i want to our government to secure our health in our a livable future. not only people in germany,
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but for people worldwide. so we do have studies that show that the coal beneath and coal of the got my la mine is not needed for energy security. and i just want to mention that a lot of people already know this, and that is why we saw protests that were so big. dina, you were going to say something exactly, just what maria said. i mean, the thing that the government, including the green party, which only 2 years ago, were protesting along our side so that all villages can stay and so that the call will stay in the ground. they're now trying to find their way, discursive, lee, out of protecting our profits at the end of the day, by selling this idea that people shouldn't be afraid to block out or yeah, basically, we have an energy scarcity. we're not really looking at what people need there and
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especially we're not looking at what the vendor said in the beginning. we're not looking at the global majority of people need is for us to get out of all fossil fuels now. and that especially includes ignite and so i think that the green party, especially was really just shaking in their knees. and that that's the reason why the eviction so quickly and soberly. right. and you know, it's became the global majority. i'm glad that you brought that up. alexander, i see you raising your hand, but before i come to you, i want to share with you all you know, the international view of during germany for better or worse is that they're progressive, that they're seen as leaders on the international stage, especially when it comes to the climate emergency. so you know, they're telling a lot of developing countries that they need to de carbonized and yet they're turning back to call. it's a bit puzzling and in fact we have a video comment that was sent to us by you and be more as that kind of outlines. some of this for us, take a listen. what can we keep missing deadline today?
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is it will go sham or when those countries dead to pretend to support to communities which are being affected by climate change. but the country without the root cause of disgrace is sad to stop in korea. science is clear, global self countries unclear that duty calls only clement crisis has been forced to for on multiple occasions. we need to keep cutting ground because we have went missing. record breaking temperature rises every year, and countries that have contributed biggest percentage have continued to light as in every criminal courses that they are ready to go. renewable directory invest in energy we. i pad of what's, we need actions. so alexander, i was watching you, not an agreement with noon be there as he was speaking. and i'm curious if you agree that what, what is happening there is actually putting germany potentially at odds with some of the goals that they've been espousing on the international stage. specifically,
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their pledge to become carbon neutral by 2045 as well as cut 65 percent of emissions by 2030 compared with 1991. why were you notting? i mean, 1st of all, at 2045. it's hard for late to get a new to the c o 2 and all of the emissions that didn't work in our atmosphere. so, but by i'm nodding, boston, he boss completely right on. but he's saying that the don't give a good example at the moment. feet demand that are all the countries phase to renewables and instead we are going back in the next fossil locked in because he had been in the cabin locked in for the last 10 to 15 years by getting oh yeah, coal and gas from, from rafa. and no, because now we go really to the next lock in by importing this dirty energy gas
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from other countries and they have, we haven't spoken about me saying so far, which was a 100 fold. busy more effective in our atmosphere, and this is really, really tough that to move now who energy gas instead of coal. most certainly, and obviously it should be mentioned that obviously the u. e. u is facing, i should say, sorry, forget me. you is facing an energy crisis, and so it certainly does need cheaper energy sources. but with that in mind i, i'm curious, you know, how can i put this? it's, it seems almost maria in c as if we're talking about even nuclear. we've now mentioned l. n g, but nuclear, if i'm not mistaken, is still a fossil fuel. i mean, a lot of the comments in our, you tube chat, for example, i, you, brianna is saying, i wonder why germany a country technologically well advanced is turning to coal energy. this is as they were predicting their advanced status among you countries in the sector of
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renewable energy, olivia, mom, you know, saying what's preventing germany from switching to nuclear energy after all, it's not some poor developing countries. so is it really just about profit? i mean, do they need coal in the context of what's happening in ukraine and russia? so let me just correct some things here. first, nuclear is not a fossil fuel. it's a different kind of technology. see, that's why you're here to enlighten us and iraq. correct me and, and the other thing is i'm germany is not expanding on coal. it has always relied on coal. so coal never moved out of our energy sector. and we're just reinforcing it now, instead of delving into the renewables and a nuclear is not a safe option. so in germany it, we've had a very strong movement already in the 1980s that was against nuclear power. because
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nuclear power is considered to be a very unsafe technology. so if you have problems with nuclear power, you have them on a global level, and we've seen that's good with the fukushima and accident. so basically in germany, nuclear is not considered a good alternative. we have a strong belief in the society that this is not an energy that as it's, it's not an energy that we should, you know, the build our energy sector upon. so the fossil fuels need to go. nuclear energy is not a safe option. we really need to scale up the renewables and germany has the technologies just need to get rid of laws that are blocking the expansion of renewables because the yeah, past governments have failed to get rid of is bureaucratic loss? no, i appreciate that correction and i, it's funny my dad's a nuclear physicist,
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so he's probably gonna be very ashamed that i mentioned that, but that's only a side note i want to mention to dina. you know, we saw the footage of you earlier being escorted out, as we explained to our viewers, you spent 2 years there. i'm curious by putting your body on the line there in all the activists that were on the ground. i mean, do you think this is change? dina? do you think this has changed the way that people relate to the climate emergency? i mean, does this help influence how ordinary people might view their own sort of role in all of this and what they should do to change their behavior? at the day of our biggest demonstration, we had 35000 protesters on the field in the rain and the wind fighting against the police over every metre of god. and i think that on that day we was already evicted . and we saw thousands of people who weren't prepared to do this, going into spontaneous mosse action,
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civil disobedience. and i think that's not an experience that the body and also the mind. don't forget. and you, i think that people really felt what it means that we have to build our resistance from the ground up. because it's not going to come from anywhere else. i mean, we're talking about now we need to switch to renewable energy. that's very true, but we also just need to talk about how we can use less energy, germany as historically the 4th largest emitter. and by emitting more, we're just creating more injustices. like today. $20000000.00 people a year being displaced because of the time crisis is simply cannot afford to do this any longer. and that's why we know that we have to get out of cold get out of gas, get oil really quickly, but also use less energy. and that doesn't mean turning down your heater turning down the automobile industry in germany, turning down the weapon industry,
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etc. right? so i think that's what it's all about and people know that we can solve this crisis in a capitalist system and obviously denies you outline that i'm, you know, thinking there need to be creative solutions that you know, and they may be challenging, but they, they need to happen, there are also creative people in our youtube chat with creative names such as uranium projectile cor thing. in my opinion, if the german government does coal mining for energy and if there is no other source, it is actually no problem. gas from russia also has problems due to war between russia and ukraine. so what then should does solutions look like a maria n t? and what do you make that comment just this idea that if there is no other source source, it's actually no problem. no, no, it is a problem. it's a big problem to continue burning fossil fuel. so this is not an
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option that's not good for our health. if we have seen, it's also not needed for our energy sector. and yeah, it is totally detrimental to reach the purchase agreement of $1.00 degrees and limit global warming to that. and so basically the solutions are scaling up renewables, as i mentioned before. so i don't really care about whether the fossil fuel comes from russia or from canada, or from germany. you know, it doesn't make a difference in our atmosphere. our atmosphere is global and we will have impact of the climate crisis and on the global level. so basically what we need, the solutions are building of renewables all over the world. and there are many countries which people are not aware of. yeah. which are leading me and maria,
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anti, you know, when we talk about leading, there is a leader. i want to talk about the german minister for the economy and climate protection. robert hob hi back. yeah, i believe he spoke to journalists earlier and gave a positive outlook for energy security in the country. this was today, i believe, take a listen and chime now saga is in the years up to 2031. the german energy supply will be secure, sufficient energy and tricity will be available at all. i was at the a and the great if it is developed will be sufficient to transport these quantities about a tricity. this also applies on the condition that the coal phase out should be brought forward, which has been agreed for the eastern german co fields in 2038. i'm saying it is conditional because there is no agreement on that yet. at this point, i'm ready for good. so now we're all even after 2030. we will have phases where we need baseload capable power plants, power plants,
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the can always produce income. these are cuffed, dr. must these power plants must and should be climate neutral. that means that they need to use hydrogen. gas is okay for the transitional phase, but as soon as possible we will move to hydrogen fired power generation. you professional, strong, allied xander, very briefly. we're running out of time for the show, but i saw you nodding there. do you think that the idea of moving towards a hydrogen fired fired power in the future is as a good idea? no, this is actually a medical thinking, i will call it. so what we see is that at the moment, hydrogen is really an on an embryonic scale. so it has no meaningful energy production. and it will take years, maybe even decades to have this on a level where we can really use it. and we need a to face our entities, and this is the place right now, and that's why we need to reinforce, oh yeah, renewable energy is right now. and that's what's not done. and therefore, we knew it more protests and does and that people are going on the streets
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demanding that be put on renewables now. and i'm sure we will see more protest. dina, i want to ask you, what do you think the legacy of lutheran will be? and what, what solutions do you hope to see? what do you, what do you expect or what do you want from the government? where not only talking about the legacy of listen, i believe about the legacy of an over 10 year old struggle in rhineland. and this whole area against the coal, and i think we're still figuring it out like what we won, what we lost. but i do believe that people have learned that it's better to be together than to be alone with all the fear of climate crisis and all the other crisis that are happening. and so i think what we have strengthened is the belief that we need to face this crisis with more democracy, really. and for me, like one creative idea in order to solve this crisis would be to talk about like,
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why not democratized companies like i really believe that if you let the people decide how we should like which energy, right? and how then we will have more renewable. right. and letting the people decide certainly to me sounds like a creative novel approach that's all the time we have for today. so thank you for watching. thank you to our guest and see you next time. ah ah ah ah
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