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a clear violation of sovereign territory. the pentagon has rejected claims, a chinese berlin that's moving across the central united states as civilian and not being used for surveillance. officials say the balloon had been seen over the state of montana on thursday, where there are about a 150 intercontinental ballistic missile silos. us describe the craft as a surveillance satellite. first of all, we are aware of the p r. she's statement. i'm however, the fact is, we know that it's a surveillance balloon, and i'm not gonna be able to be more specific than that. we do know that the balloon has violated us airspace and international law, which is unacceptable. and so we've conveyed this directly to the p r c at multiple levels. and in terms of specific locations, i'm not going to be able to go into specific locations. again, other than to say it's moving eastward at this time. why has corresponding kimberly how kit has more? it was spotted almost direct in proximity to
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a nuclear site where there are icbm or inter continental ballistic missiles housed in the united states, one of 3 sites. i and the fact that there was, as the pentagon states intelligence collection being done by this so called weather balloon, then the words of the chinese government. so the u. s. government immediately took action, disabling any ability for their to be intelligence collection cranium, president romance zalinski has urged western allies to supply his militia with long range missiles. he's hosting the summit of european union need is in keith. european union announced price caps for russian oil products, premium products such as diesel have been kept at a $100.00 per barrel. oh, discounted products are kept at $45.00. he claims membership applications. he was also discussed at the blocks leader saying, there are goals for keith to meet as part of its membership push. there are no
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rigid timelines but their goal that you have to reach reforms, for example, to improve a situation in the canada country to then reach the exception negotiations and the session accept itself. if you look at the history of the european union, it started with 6 member states. today we're 27. so that 21 different stories of accession negotiations to the european union. and this shows that there is not one size fits all, but it depends a lot on the candidate country. how it moves forward. yes, richie, sweet truth, you crazy in the european room and where we are as soon as possible. this is another crooked stick. it brings you current and you closer to joe. do you have
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question? do you do? you is with you to do your will be with your and your paper to morrow. earned force florida. we will be right by your side to we built a prescription crude form in church on our program with the head of the woman catholic church, as appealed to south sedans, leaders to and years of bloodshed cope. francis is on a historic visit with the leaders of the anglican church and the church of scotland, 2 sides to damn, the 1st of its kind. independence christian leaders urged present silva here and his bits arrival we at map shar, to turn their backs on violence and corruption. so saddam, which is a majority, christian nation, gained independence from sudan in 2011. more than 400000 have dive in the civil war 2 years after independence. a palestinian man shot in the occupied westbank
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on friday has died of his wounds. the policy and red crescent says abdulla callaway was shot by israeli gun far. israeli media said he tried to grab a soldier's gun. israeli forces have killed $36.00 palestinians in the occupied west bank since the start of 20. 23. you're up to date the bottom line if next. ah . hi, i'm steve clemens and i have a question. after the ukraine war, who's getting stronger, the western world or the rest of the world, let's get to the bottom line. ah, no one disputes that the united states will remain one of the world's leading powers far into the future. but it's also obvious that power is shifting all over the globe, and america's grip has really slipped in some places. it has the biggest military,
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but there's anees domestically with the cost of involvement in far away conflicts. meanwhile, china's influence is rising throughout asia africa and the middle east with high levels of american military, $8.00 funding the ukraine war, while also dealing with high inflation and mounting debt is america's global leadership. increasingly fragile. has the argument for western liberalism lost its allure, especially as nationalism and populism spread throughout the west? and is the rest of the we're looking for alternatives to american leadership. today we're talking with key shore ma bonnie singapore, former ambassador to the united nations, a former president of the un security council, and author of has china, one, the chinese challenge to american primacy. kishor it is a real pleasure to have you on today and i want to tell our audience that i view each one of my be bonnie is one of the great strategic thinkers of our time. i largely agree with you or framing that china is rising. us sees that rise
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coming, but i haven't seen america kind of shift very much in terms of how it manages his engagement. you know, i sort of, i've often been a fan of, you know, take this moment, bring nations like india and brazil, and other great, you know, international stakeholders more into the power institutions in the world in the united states would get credit for that in a way and would help kind of create institutions that fit that the world that's emerging as opposed to the one we had 70 years ago. do you see any prospect of the united states getting ahead of this? so it just doesn't look like the resentful, egotistic, you know, former dominant power. that's just, you know, irritated with china's rise. well, i think the fundamental problem with the united states strategy and then that he's speaking of henry kissinger told me in 2018 without the searching michael the has
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china one united doesn't have a comprehensive long term strategy for managing the return of china. and actually what is trying to do is kneecap china hoping that china will collapse and thank you . yes. as you read to be possible that china could collapse. but i think the current strategy of trying to spot china's rights is not going to work. therefore, why is this strategy would be to continue the policy in gauging china integrating china into the world order and then constraining either why is a strategy that's a win for the united states in many ways. and frankly, a win for what many of the neighbors of china and i can, stephanie we asia completely puzzled by what the united states is trying to do. i mean, but, you know,
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is it play example all in one se, asia to cut off, it's links to china. we've got what we see sidle. i mean, just to the new one, let us that this big in the yes, 2000 united states street with a 10 us young countries was 235000000000 dollars. and china was only $40000000000.00. united states was, you know, more than 3 g and larger. but today, even the united states trade with the can, us young countries has gone up to $300000000000.00. china's trade with us in has gone from $40800000000000.00 an increase of 20 times. you can countryside these asia to cut off the trading links and other things with china be suicidal. right? and china is going to be the best for the next 1000 years. and this is not just your salaries, as you mentioned, brazil, brazil,
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to graphically much to the united states than it is the china. but brazil, trade rather straightly. china is 3 times trade with the united states of america. so these other new realities that the united states should adjust to in a more intelligent and the more full session. and to me, it's actually quite surprising how badly the study think tank in washington d. c. f, perform because washington dc spent wall on strategic things that any other country in the world, and yet it produces the worst strategy that's quite striking. so sure. how do you view the ukraine conflict right now? so many people i've had them on my show, andre cartoon off and others have looked at the ukraine conflict is sort of the ongoing collapse of the old soviet union. and america,
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very comfortable with the old contours of us, russia, competition and kind of old style stuff. so you've got essentially a proxy conflict now going on the ukraine. so, you know, with ukraine supported by european and american support, a dollars military assistance, you know, fighting the russian invasion while china is sort of over here. you know, the big power that's rising. how do you sort of see the u. s. is the u. s. and or is the u. s. trapped in sort of an old mindset? not realizing that the resources and whatnot that are going into that are basically giving china, you know, an easier pass in the world than otherwise would be. well, i mean, let me emphasize the very outset, the russian. envision your praise completely. the girl on acceptable had asked to be condemned and we should certainly try to read it. that's all very clear . but at the same time,
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to be completely candid. when was break out like this day, the slack job political incompetence and a the european union and the members of the european union should step back flat on what did they do to have this was remedial war break out in this step. and my simple answer is that they didn't listen to the advice of george ken and bobby we for offense is just come up with another article pointing on very dearly that read back the 1900 ninety's almost 30 years ago. josh, can emphasize that europe and united states should in alien be russia. she tried to integrate russia in the new order. and i can tell you frankly, the fundamental difference between what the europeans have done with the
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neighborhood and what we asked yanine selby. they should done the opposite. the european union has not been inclusive of the larger region has not the inclusive russia, especially could chat russia. whereas back contrasts assay and try to integrate all its neighbors and bring them into the trading economic arrangement. and so for example, the world's largest retreated greenland was launched in east asia at the initiative of young. and it brings together the 10 countries, china, japan, australia, and uses. and what's interesting about this arrangement, you know, was strong allies of united states, china, japan, japan. so together with china and the us young. so we glued everybody and i think the european union is making some huge strategic mistakes by
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not thinking and calculating what kind of russia who they want to have for their doorstep. 10 to 20 years from now. a defeated, angry, humiliated russia. you want that for the next 100 years. on russia, it's all you compromise and make peace. and i would say the wiser thing to do is to compromise and mix. let me ask you um about a dividing line that many writers are writing about like an apple. bam. another said the, the dividing line in the world, it matters now is that between democracies and autocracies, and that democracies have been put, pushed back on their, their heels. and that this is a real struggle in the world. she wrote a piece in the atlantic saying, the bad guys are winning, that do you see that as an appropriate, metaphoric frame?
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or do you see blind spots in the way some writers and some strategic thinkers are looking at what's really driving conflict in the world today. i would certainly say to applebaum, what you mentioned, that yes, she shouldn't listen to the democracy. so the one the was number one, democracy is india. 1.31.4000000000 people. second largest democracy is united states of america. that largest democracy is indonesia. so what do you wiser for united states? the listen good. the 2 other large democracies, india and indonesia and ask your star barely simple question. why don't the other world large democracy says it says the contests within
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democracy. and in fact, frankie, you know, even though i can be very honest, india and indonesia are very concerned about china's rights, the nor the endo, a stronger and more to china. but do they see china threat? linden democracy? absolutely not. there's no nation as the china trip to the militia democracy. absolutely not. and it's a perfect example. when you talk about was democracy fees. you're using the black and white lenses of the cold war. you're in a new world that these multi montes says, they show an increasing need that for months until the black and white perspectives as clock. the american mind is actually a big danger to the united states because there is far more
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complex and most of the countries in the world, i can assure you want to be friends with the united states. but they also want to be friends with china. they also want to trade with russia and they want to be able to do business in the middle east. so you can see therefore, it's a flexible and quite a completely different kinds of games from washington dc. that's that we haven't come yet. my city is a friend of the united states saying you can win this game, but is no longer the simple check. this game that you are playing, you know, we do simple sites. it's a very complex game of chess. closer to the chinese game will go that henry kissinger speaks about in this book when china he asked you about china in its wine spots. we recently interviewed chin gong who's now been made foreign minister of
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china and with his ascension, we've seen china engage in kind of a charm offensive. he's been in africa going around the continent showing the priority of africa ah, to chinese foreign foreign a interest. also, we've seen the wolf war, your diplomats get withdrawn. our from a lot of post in china seems to be trying to engage in different, different terms. but i'm interested when you see the big shift on coven policy. you see the ongoing, ah controversies over taiwan and whether speaker kevin mccarthy might go to taiwan on that. what do you see as possibly some of china's potential missteps given it's wise? what could it get wrong? well, i mean, like the hampton emphasized that to china is not a perfect country. and certainly is leaders know that they're not perfect. and china, like any country makes mistakes. i mean, that's made mistakes with yog in the year 2012. when they tried to force cambodia,
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not to have any reference on south china sea, the scan document. clearly this made mistakes in the way it has tried to exit from it's 0 of it all a see in the seventy's rom was a shocked to every once. yes, china has makes mistakes and he will continue to make mistakes. but if you step back and objectively look at the bigger picture and us yourself, a very simple question. you know, the world has the bach 8 b and people that say you check out the 1400000000 people from china, pick up the 300000000 bass. that still leaves about 6300000000 people in the rest of them will not get if you assume that the rest of the price, intelligence societies left by intelligent need to know where the interest ask yourself
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a simple question. why more countries that being up their links with chain rather than trying to lock china in the way that the united states is doing? why is that? so these 2 could be something wrong with then you take, for example, the balance and initiative, right? united states launcher or osha's global campaign warning, countries don't get stuck in that trap. diplomacy don't join the belgian initiative . you know, what happened? i know 93 countries in the. ready 100 or 140 countries joined the initiative. i mean some good in india in australia didn't. japan didn't, but the majority did all 10000 vision countries did so. ready to so you are being therefore good china, that these are far more formidable while most strategic and far more
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intelligent packets. anything that the united states has experience and is such a pretty wench and gun was in washington dc. anyone in washington dc had a chance to get to know and get to know all chinese salt. what a washington do you see? do shown kinda it was to be a mistake. the 1st rule, we know of it. no dine, no dining enemy bite. the 1000 battles when the 1000 and all i can say today is that most americans just don't understand that. let me ask you about the trade cuz you mentioned trade. and one of the things that i found remarkable was the american decision to withdraw from something it had sat up. and
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i know it had a big impact on singapore, which was the transport, civic partnership, t p, p. and i'm interested in whether they are ongoing after effects to that to day. so as we've seen, the biden white house come out with an indo pacific strategy and in the pacific economic strategy. is anyone in our c on taking that seriously? or do you think that the rupture out of the g p p just did too much damage? and it's going to take a new t p p to come in to some met american economic engagement in the region. well, i can tell you that the 10 countries, one to engage united states of america. i mean, let me emphasize that and they're still huge reservoirs of good to what's the united states within vish? i mean, going back to the days of the war bad, optically, the country with which united states for one of the small bits of getting is now
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it's the best friend, the vision. and many americans are even aware of that. so it is their last, the rest of the united states and anything that the united brings people and say, for example, in the pacific economic framework, i think i would say yes, let's do it. but let's also be realistic. i mean, i'm best to join better yogi, which is tre. your infancy, odo. 09. and that's why burner obama prison or one of 3 ways she don't in, in, in, in, in putting forward really shifted of the transfer civic partnership. and we all that, to embrace it even though you know, united states that very high standards for joining the t p. b. so in the united states, us and the donor, cham walked away from the t p. it was literally shooting itself in the foot. and as
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you know, the paradoxical an ironical conclusion of the t p chapter is that the united states is not even thinking of drew rejoining the r c p t p, that the successor t p, p a. china has applied the john to the fact that china's fight would join shows again, that chinese thinking long term and strategically about rather your game. it's an i think, is very important for united states to sit down and do some basic calculations. what would happen to american influence, not just in saudi's issue in all of east asia, and in the rest of the world, if it is no longer a major trading partner. most countries in the world is inevitably, are the dynamic of us china to go back to your earlier statements. one where it's a 0 sum game, where if they're gaining america is a losing with america is gaining. china must be seen to be losing. and does that
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not, and as up in the box of an inevitable train wreck, they need to go further. and here is, you know, the hands of the biden, them destruction are tied by the fact that there seems to be an overwhelming consensus in washington dc that the united states should only be top china and not engage in any kind of when we incorporate, as you suggested so this is why, you know, i run something called the ation piece program. and just this week, we have issued a new article saying that maybe we should ask young should force when, when, when corporation i see on us and china and this will give a free saving, we out of the united states because united states and say ok, we're not saying yes, china. we've been cooperation, mr. yes. all friends with our friends or not. yeah one we patient maybe we'll do it
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for them. so we know. ready so i think want to help united states to remain engaged in our region. and frankly, there are some areas like climate change, like noble financial crisis, where frank p it is in the interests of the united states to cooperate with china and not the shun. all cooperation between let me ask you finally about india, about which you have written written recently and said india could be a 3rd major poll of power in the world for problem solving. it reminds me of bob's alex admonition to china that you can rise and you can become a responsible, global stakeholder in solving the problems of the world. this india need that same sort of statement is india able to rise out of its own self interest and begin looking at issues like climate or other issues and use its power in a way that's, that's globally stabilizing, but also moves its interest over forward. well,
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i mean this actually no doubt that india rise to the east stucco. i mean in know, you know, if angus medicine us from the one to the 820, the 2 largest, he called him use of the world war always china and india. so the return of china and india perfect, the natural and it is going to happen. and frankly, the world will be at a time when you wish china tensions are going to increase me over the next 10 years . the world would be happy to see it totally independent, but all that creates a balancing role and tries to in some ways not these 2 big elephants to avoid that also on transportation. and as you know, india is as firing to become a member of the un security council and which i think india should become want to be. but yesterday, because remember,
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when you went to get down to the best for india to build up his credentials. as you become upon them, but the un security council is to show that it is completely independent the united states and china. and you can play a completely independent balancing role and see if things to both power that lots of countries wanted to say. but i'll try to see perfectly well we will leave that there. thank you so much, ambassador keyshawn, mother bonnie, distinguish fellow at the asia research institute and singapore. thank you so much for being with us today. lakresha. so what's the bottom line? very soon? china is going to have the world's largest economy and a very powerful, sophisticated military. it's an uncomfortable spot for america, which isn't used to sharing power and fears at china's interests and objectives. don't always align with those of washington, even if neither side, once conflict, nor seeks it. there are going to be inevitable collisions and consequences for the world as china test the lines of power with the u. s. and the u. s. finds its
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national ego. offended by chinese power to stay in the game and avoid a tragic collision with china. the u. s. just can't sit back and hold the power has in the world, it needs to reinvent the terms of its engagement. it has to do some global deal making with china as to find ways to bring other power centers like india into the world. power institutions like the un security council. then america will read, vibrant, engaged, less resentful, and less likely to have a head on collision with china. and that's the bottom line. ah, angel gina, goes to europe's population, is aging, should pension schemes be reformed. egypt and pakistan's economic crises, a deep link will i, m f, loans, fix their problems, and we explore the implications of the tumbling value of india's dani empire, accounting, the cost on al jazeera. i just see it as our country. we high
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