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ah, hello, welcome to the program, i'm adrian finnegan. the democratic national committee in the u. s. has approved jo biden's push to give black and other minority voters more sway in the presidential nomination process. voters in all 50 states get to choose between various contenders. in the party primaries a process that takes months and those who stop the race on a winning notes tend to gain momentum for their candidacy. for decades, iowa has been 1st on the primary calendar followed by new hampshire up to valise diverse states in the nation. they were followed by nevada and south carolina. now the 1st democratic primary will be in south carolina where black votes is play a significant role. you hampshire will stay 2nd, along with nevada,

which moves up in the calendar. georgia and michigan will follow all of those except south carolina, a battleground or swing states, michigan, a georgia voted for donald trump in 2016 before flipping the joe biden in 2020. let's bring it, i guess, for today's discussion from washington, which are by douglas sloane, senior political analyst at the national capital strategy group from marietta, georgia. jason shepherd, attorney and assistant professor of political science at kennesaw state university . i am from london, which went by let's leave in jewelry, director of the us of the americas program at chatham house, an independent policy institute. welcome to you all, douglas, and let's start with you. why then did the democratic national committee feel that it was so important to append a century of political tradition and reorder the parties? presidential nominating canada? what difference is it going to make?

well, this move, which is a very strategic move by the d. n. c will allow for greater racial geographic in economic diversity in the 1st of the nation primary which is important because the backbone of the democratic party voting base is black voters. so this will not only add diversity your process but will give black candidates and other minority can't candidates a much better chance of advancing in the primary process as opposed to maybe just trying to survive until the south carolina primary. now we all saw the last time we had a black president, brock obama, you actually one iowa. so i'm sure that my republican counterparts are going to be quick me to point that out. however, every black or minority candidate in the process thus far

as simply not bared as well as brock obama. and this is important for increasing diversity in the process. it is important for black voters, which are the base of the democratic party. so i feel the disagree move by the b and c, jason reordering the dancing primary calendar and links the democrats from republicans, which have hello mr. identical line ups. since what? 2008, how will republicans respond? well likely in law, these dates, especially, you look at georgia and south carolina which are republican control states. you do need the general assembly of those. they found the governor to sign legislation to move the primers. the other side of that is the republican national committee does have still those penalties for moving the primers less republican national committee goes along with the democrats,

which i don't think they will. i think we're going to stick with iowa and new hampshire as the 1st 2 as that historically have been for a number of reasons. and the main one being you can really run a grassroots campaigns in those states. you don't need a lot of money from the start and you could actually build up some momentum and started tracking donors. by the time you get to stay with more expensive media markets like south carolina like nevada. but you can do grassroots campaigning. and i work in new hampshire to build that momentum. in fact, it was in the mid 1970. when the little known georgia governor, a democrat named jimmy carter, basically moved iowa and start crisscross in the state for over a year. and one that caucus to propel him to eventually be the nominee for democrat party. and as douglas pointed out, rock, obama also won the iowa caucuses as well. so enables a candidate that doesn't have a lot of backing behind though. and as i said, it's going to be

a hard move for state that already have their primary set that don't want to be penalize by the republican national committee for moving their primaries ahead of i work at hampshire or really giving changing the political landscape. and that to really decide that they have to do the what the democrats wants. secondly, the other alternative is to do the democrat primary on one day and the republican premier another. and that's gets very expensive to georgia, especially georgia tech. there's but taxpayers across the country to run 2 statewide election. i think this is really going to be a nonstarter unless there's a lot of cooperation. i think you've heard that our meeting yesterday at the dnc talking about some of the waivers that they are putting in, knowing that a number of the states, we're not going to go along with this new scheme of a primary calendar. let's put that to leslie. then leslie will the 2 parties co operate at a state level? it, is this going to happen? all can states ignore the dnc says well,

i think it's going to be very politicized. these are not 2 parties that i've been getting along and recent history. so it's inevitably going to be a very challenging set of negotiations, but this is a party and a president who are determined to really drive change across the united states. so that i don't think we can underestimate the symbolism of saying that while iowa matters while. and i, you know, i say this is somebody who hails from nebraska right next to iowa. these are a, this is a small state that's had an outside influence on the early dynamics and the electoral process long recognized as such. so the president is putting his stamp on democracy in american saying we're diverse. and we need to give them momentum to a fundamentally different set of actors. now, it's politically, there's a risk involved in this too, of course, which is, we know the republican party has spoken very effectively to 2 white american voters,

low and middle income. and that is that, that's a segment that the democrats want to hold on to work in class americans. so i think there's a signal that's potentially sent, but you know, not only moving that primary up front to south carolina, but also building enthusiasm among african american voters. to turn out, not only in south carolina, but in many other states, i think is something that's clearly part of the inspiration and the motivation behind the leslie. you say we've got a president at a party that wants to drive change. let's put something to bed straight. away here is the, any political chicanery of play here does this does during this benefit president bite from that anyway, in terms of his re election. i, you know, that the reality is that if i'm president biden decides to run, which seems entirely plausible, and more likely than not,

he's not going to be competing. i, in the primary season, it's very unlikely that he's going to have a serious contender. so in this round, this is a president who if he chooses to run, is going to get his party nomination absent something very unexpected, which i don't think many people can anticipate what that would be. but it does. it sets an agenda, not only from this electoral, for the 2024 by for years going forward. i was had that spot very, very, very long time. these things don't tend to change quickly. so it's a very consequential choice and going forward. douglas, why elevate south carolina to 1st place on the nominating calendar? it hasn't backed a democrat in a presidential race since 976 of one earth. should the party concentrate so many early primary resources that well, this is about the primary as opposed to the general election,

and it's about expanding the number of voices in that critical early window in the election process. so it's not so much about south carolina. we know south carolina is a red state and we know that it goes republican. i think you said since it hasn't got it, it's been consistent since the seventy's. however, this is about the primary process. this is about elevating diverse communities in that early primary window, which is at the core of the democratic party. so it is important that it's critical that we make the primary assume the d n. c makes the primary process more diverse and bringing south carolina in as the birth of the nation. primary ensures that will happen and ensures that black and other minority candidates have a place at the table early on a process early on in a process and are not completely wiped out. and majority white states like iowa

or new hampshire, that they are actually moving able to move forward and advanced without the primary process. we just saw joe biting do poorly, and i was ordering new hampshire and then come back and run the tables after south carolina. so obviously, south carolina is very important key or cog in that will as far as a democratic in that we'll, as far as democratic parties are concerned at this day and age. and so it's important that we give them their due and i think that's a good idea to elevate them to this point. so douglas satisfied that the democratic national committee's decision to reorder the parties, presidential nominating canada, the benefits voters most this is being done for the benefit of the electorate and not the politicians. i say that it's being done in term it's the importance is for the benefit of the voters. minority voters in the

primary part process in the primary part of the process. so this will help elevate the voices at the table in the primary part of the process. it will give voters more representation at that stage in our electoral process. so yes, it benefits the candidates, but it also been a bit the voters that they represent. and that was something that was being left out in iowa because iowa, as is living wife, is mainly wiped for decades in santa memorial. and so being black voters at the core, the democratic party at the base of america, 3rd party black women in particular. and that the democrats have it one, the white house with black person on the ticket, and over 27 years since bill clinton in 1996. it's important that the democratic party recognize this recognize the importance of having diverse communities

recognize the importance of their base and black motors and make an effort to give black voters in diverse muse, their seat in their voice at the table. jason, democratic party chair in iowa, rita hart says that the party as well. the committee rather has turned its back on iowa on rural america. do you agree with that? oh, i agree. absolutely. with that, i mean, as i said before, the way the primary system is situated right now, it's easier for someone without that backing up big money to go in and get a grassroots campaign. plus, people i want to hanser are used to getting to know presidential candidates. personally, i think they stop in the diners. they stop in the shop. they in 2000 when i was with the bush primary campaign in new hampshire. we were, we went to bowling else, so it's really the retail, grassroots politics were candidates, are able to own their message. and democrat party is really up submitting itself as

a party of the east coast and west coast elite. and by this move, they're basically showing. we're forgetting about fly over. we're forgetting about those voters in iowa. it's one thing to sit there and say you want more diversity, but the president, the united states, these be able to speak to all americans regardless of their race, ethnicity, religion, creed or national origin. and by concentrating on south carolina, which was always at least not the 3rd, but maybe the 4th primary. and i said like that was said, president joe biden was able to win the south carolina after losing new hampshire and iowa. however, once again, by eating, placing well in those cock that caucus in that primary state, candice are able to give momentum. and we did see in 2008 a visual presidential, nominee brock obama, the hillary clinton and iowa. because brock obama represent a state they had a large metropolitan areas. chicago was also a very rule,

very agricultural centric state. and brock obama knew how to speak to all americans and from having to do that as a vendor of illinois. and i think the democrats are saying themself up to have candidates. they're really just focused on the wing far wings of the party on the liberal leads on the big money a lead to funding campaigns, because the hominy will need that funding early. and if they don't end up without funding them will then maybe the democrats will kind of regret their tactic. and doing this by having primary campaigns that lead to the national convention breed have 5 on the floor because there is too many candidates and none of them are able to sort of stand above the rest and get that nomination early. you know, you typically don't want a floor or 5 convention today's day and age and the democrats will make it a lot harder for them to win in november if they're still fighting in august and september. right. i want to put that point to, to let me just

a moment about about candidates what it will mean for them. but 1st, let me just throw this back to, to, to douglas douglas, the democrats, or party of east coast and west coast big money elite. what do you say to that? i have never heard anyone describe south carolina as being part of the east coast elite. south carolina is majority white. it has a lot of rural areas out in south carolina. and do say that, oh that, that moves away from middle america when you're talking about a place that's down south and has so much rural land and farm land is it doesn't make any sense. of course, that's not the case. of course, democrats are going to still try to reach out to everyone in united states, black, white, asian, hispanic, gay, straight. we are the true big party in that regard. we're not trying to exclude

anyone. and again, this is all about elevating diverse communities and expanding the early window to give more people a seat at the table often, you know, we keep coming back to morocco, mom, and i said it early before brock obama did when an iowa. however, i think that we need to understand that brock obama to a great extent, was an anomaly. we may never see someone like rock obama in modern politics. again, at least not in our lifetime. so a lot of other black minority candidates don't even manage to make it to south carolina. they've run out of money by that time for a booker, i had run out of money with tomlin harris again, she hadn't, she actually entered her candidates even before the primaries got started. so it's

important to at least allow minority candidates to have a to, to the table and have a level playing field out of the game. so south carolina gives the democratic party gives democratic candidates a chance to do that. again, we want to elevate diverse communities here. we're trying to reach out to all americans and know south carolina decimal in park. if anyone has ever been to south carolina, i can tell you that is not a part of the east coast elite leslie. you hinted a few minutes ago about a potential, i suppose, mild danger for president biped and here in terms of his reelection. and he's expected to run without a major primary challenge. but could another candidate gain traction if they choose to run against him? especially if, if the new hampshire, for instance, ignores that the dnc and, and goes 1st and feels its own candidates. i mean,

you could it up up in the way that, but the, the presidential race could run it in that it could draw up a maverick or i don't normally like, as douglas describes him as like, like barack obama. i think it's extremely unlikely in this, in this race, if president biden chooses to run again, it seems again, extremely likely that he will, it continues that. i mean, he's going to, he's going to get that nomination. it's very different from a hillary clinton barack obama a moment because at that in that race, neither one of them were already the president. they didn't have a number of policies that they can claim and are widely seen as a success within their own party. very different scenario, but i think the other thing that we're maybe not focusing on is that this changes a number of things, right? it puts south carolina 1st, but then it also puts a number of races potentially ahead of iowa. and some really key races for the

democrats and really key states for the democrats. so nevada, georgia, and then by the time you get to iowa, it looks like michigan will be the same at the same moment. and these are states that it's very important for the democrats to see if they can feel the candidate. how does that candidate do in these very critical state? some of them are swing states, so it gives a very early reading, the likely success of any given candidate and get it helps to drive, turn out and states that are really critical when you get to a general election. so i think that, undoubtedly that strategists behind this thinking are not only thinking about south carolina, they're thinking about the entire sequence of events which states are going to matter in that final real run off. and that's got to be part of the calculation. there is to speak to this question about iowa, about white working class americans. and there it is. a real problem, obviously,

as we know from the last 6 years for the democrats, and that i think is something that is a problem. not only in iowa, it's a problem and in many of those states that are now going to have primaries, b, or iowa. and in many of those states, those are the states where that, where that vote really matters. when you get to that to the actual run off. so i think this is a, is a, not only about a sequencing that's intended to get more voters out to, to really recognize the diversity of united states. but it's also a, you know, savvy political move to try and test candidates within the party and see who's likely to succeed. leslie, what more sanctions could the dnc levy against a state like new hampshire, if it insists on on going 1st or iowa with it's with it's caucuses? i think it's unchartered grounds and i think that you know, the party i'm isn't going to want to use formal sanctions. it's going to want to

negotiate these things. talk about these things, get the party together and aligned, and on the same page and to a consensus and broker. some deals at quietly and privately that the democratic party doesn't do anything for the success of its own future by, by looking divided and using formal sanction. so i would suspect that that wouldn't be the way that they will look to move forward on this issue. jason, will this be i doubt, to think in time for the 2024 context. we'll have to wait until 2028. what does all of this mean for the potent political polarization we've seen in recent years in india. so you've got, you've got these, these 2. now if the, if this goes ahead to inter party competitions for totally different visions of america, i think it's probably gonna have to wait till 2028 for this. in ga,

the journal assembly only meets for 40 legislative days once a year. they're meeting right now, so i don't see this being on anyone's real radar as priority to change our primary date for 2024. so we'd have to probably be 2028. and once again, we're looking at the sanctions and whether the democrat party opposes them on the states that do i ward new hampshire. choose to ignore this and go early. i have seen in the republican side work states have changed their primaries, that the republican national committee has cut, the delegation and half of those things. and so there are penalties and it's usually on those grass roots voters. and i just don't know that the republican states like new hampshire, with their control republican governor republican journal, assembly georgia as well are really going to go and go with this, this new election schedule. i americans, especially those new hampshire and iowa,

are very proud of the fact that they are small states that are normally overlooked by presidential candidates. and really the only time that they actually have an opportunity to play a strong part in the process is the fact that they are the 1st to the 1st caucus and the 1st primary. and part of that being the 1st means that the candidates spend a lot more time there too, because once you really get into the primary season, or you have elections and states going back to bat, especially if you have a super tuesday, like we've had so many elections where we have a number of states in the south going at lunch. you really can't do that retail politics. and it's kind of ironic that i talk about east west coast elite from to candice. but douglas brings up one from new jersey, one from california. so that's what we're talking about. we're talking about those candidates that really can get the financial backing of a liberal and progressive mega donors to get out the gate. and you will see

a situation where it can it ok can kind of try limping through new hampshire and iowa and venture again to south carolina. if we have these big states 1st and south carolina is not that big, but bigger than new hampshire, iowa, it's going to be a lot harder for sort of the self starter. candice for corey booker sanders from new jersey who had, who may not have that early financial backing to get had a steam, where he may have, in those are say, sorry, sorry to interrupt you with re and a couple of i just want to, i want to get a word from douglas and from from leslie. again, it's just going to have to wait until 2028. douglas. i am inclined to agree with my republican colleagues there. right? yeah. i think we agree it will likely it will likely have to wait until 2028 for everything to get sorted out. this can be a complicated process, but i believe it is something that will happen. okay. leslie final view from you

then it's too complicated, right? now isn't it, i mean, nobody's in agreement here that but the, the democratic national committee, we can't just say, right, we're going to do this and that expect everyone to jump, especially as, as, as we heard where some states are control the legislatures. i've even the, the governors house governor is controlled by the republicans. i think when politics move they sometimes move very slowly and sometimes they move very, very fast. and part of that is down to events and determination and back door deal . so i wouldn't bet against this, but i do think that the fact that the conversation has been put on the front pages of our conversation a cross, the u. s. is very significant. this is a president and a party who have, who are determined and very committed to recognizing that america is a different country than it was when the current sequence of primaries wasn't

stablished. ok, that we're going to have to, to end it for today. many thanks indeed to you, douglas sloane, jason shepherd and leslie venture, maureen, and to, as always, thank you for watching tough again, you can see the can the program again at any time by going to the website, which you'll find it out to 0. don't com for further discussion. join us on facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story, and you can join the conversation on twitter handle at ha, inside story from adrian finnegan and the team here. doha, thanks for being with us with ah

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