did increase in sales, the demand for new cars, the demand to actually get in them and actually, ah, kicks tires, test drives never really went away. people always did still want to buy cars during the pandemic bar. they couldn't for sure the warrant any available now, but that production started to come back. now the sales are starting to come back. articles are starting to come back as well. the show is one part show room, one part celebration with planes trains and especially automobiles, along with a once again, festive environment, even contacts boards of return sort of this year. starz include the new corvette, e ray, the all electric version of the classic american muscle car, one of a broad array of electric cars. a toyota highlander that doubles as a nintendo entertainment center. in some e v's that aren't cars at all. one of the things that makes a car show different from his show room are concept vehicles. this ram 1500 revolution battery electric truck might not come out for years. but it's pretty

cool. after a couple uphill years, automakers are looking for a smooth ride. this year. john henderson, al jazeera chicago. ah, hello again. i'm in the prom and our half of the top stories on al jazeera, more than 4 days have passed since 2 powerful earthquakes had turkey and sylvia. more than 21000 people have been reported. dead survivors are being taken to tense and make shift shelters. turkish rescue teams are continuing to dig through rebels, searching for survivors often by hand. freezing temperatures and snow have been slowing down. the efforts slim conceal no has more from a government relief coordination center and the capital ankara in 999 to experienced a very deadly switch. and just in 4 days after the earthquake,

the total back exceeded 1999 death. so people say we haven't learned anything deal, so just haven't heard anything, you know why they haven't the building structure as well. why did they allow those a week attracted? and these are the questions people are asking, but the government says right now the priority is reaching out to people who are trapped and asking them name all 6 trucks. carrying aid from the united nations have arrived in northern sylvia. if the 1st convoys reached rebel held areas in the country since the earthquakes and avenues, hundreds of people in democratic republic of congo have fled their homes as m. 23 fine too close to the town of san k. the connelly's army and the m. 23 armed booth had been fighting in the area since monday. more than half a 1000000 people have fled them 23 advance in the last 8 months. south africa, the president has declared a state of national dissolved in an attempt to deal with chronic tricity shortages

. so rama poison made the announcement during his stay for the nation speech on thursday. well, those are the headlines on al jazeera, the stream is coming up next. thank you for watching lebanon state of collapse has become the country's new normal it's economy is in ruin. as lebanon a failed state. it's a very tough question because to prove otherwise is difficult. will lebanon, the able to change course. the economy minister. i've been sell um talks to al shahita. i welcome to the stream, my math, my tablet dean for nearly 100 consecutive days there had been rolling blackouts in south africa, her country grappling with an energy crisis that it can't seem to shake in response . the president has declared a state of disaster as a step towards trying to find a resolution. so what will it take to and the energy crisis in south africa?

well, let's start today's conversation with a video sent to us from a small business owner in johannesburg. the rolling pablo casa, and predictable, so you can even plan according to them. sometimes you only have 4 hours of electricity a day. and that means that we have to now get our people to work over time. we have to bring in part time people to come in during the hours in re, to have power. and yet you still have to pay a hefty amount every month for the $3.00 phase industrialist tricity supply. whether you use it or not, you have to increase security and transport costs to drive people home if they have to work overnight. and now a fulfillment rate is at 50 percent. now, because we're not able to fulfill all of our orders on time, and that means we leave a lot of money on the table. and that means we can have to take cost cutting measures, such as letting people go or cutting out production lines. joining us to discuss from johannesburg pa camila slew be my jolla spokesperson for the national union of

metal workers of south africa. also in johannesburg, jacob moraga director of erin knight energy, and former c. e o of ascom, and also with us from pretoria energy expert, who, se malaise say, ah, thank you so much for being with us. and of course we also want you to join the conversation. so be sure to share your thoughts and questions directly with us on youtube. so i want to start by talking about who's being impacted. i mean, businesses are closing daily tasks. we hear like cooking or charging a phone in south africa. requiring planning and economists are warning of a recession. who say, how are you being impacted by this ah, this impacts on everyone ready, including myself, as their energy, as you know, is an input and critical input to the economy where they hospitals, wastewater treatment to x. that impacts on the water supply is the industrial uses . individuals at home. i mean, i'm sitting yes,

some way in an office because my house has been no chair. did that impact on me that impacts my business. so it's an impact that is throughout the agricultural sector heavily impacted in terms of irrigation. a, there isn't really accept had that you can say is not impacted by low chatting south africa. and that's why i want to try to give our audience a sense of the scale of the problem. just how big a crisis it it is as you just did, pa, camila, can you give us a scale in your, in your mind of who's most affected and why the crisis feels like it's deepening? oh, this is a terrible crisis that is engulfed south africa and it in our view is if this continues this crisis of low cheating, we are going to see increased a civil unrest. deb just because of the fact that the massive, massive job cuts taking place in south africa at the, at the, at the moment. and this deepens an prim and public tin inequality. we've already

had social unrest happening about 23 years ago. so this is just going to deepen that, that kind of tension and the frustration that the, the masters are feeling at the moment because of the impact. i mean, it's affecting all areas of south africa yesterday when we held a press conference, we were talking not just about the costs about a 1000000000 random day, but health workers will complaining about the fact that patients are dying on the table when the machine's goals. so it really is a crisis i'm, you know, when we talk about this crisis, a lot of people and are you tube child also trying to pinpoint for us, or what they think is the root of the problem cosmic wake saying to us, the privatization of energy generation is the root cause of the problem. now jacob, i want to share with you. i know you're familiar with these facts, but also for our viewers. some quick kind of facts about the energy situation in

the country. more than 90 percent of the countries power is generated by the state utility. s. com. the daily power shortfall, if you can imagine 40026000 megawatts as calms debt is approaching 400000000000 ran . that's $25000000000.00 in 2022. there were $207.00 days with power cuts, and now the country is nearing a 100 consecutive days of blackouts. jacob, if you have to explain this to us as an engineer, if you will, and someone you know, 1st hand with 1st time experience, i should say of as calm. what do you think is the fault in the system? why is this happening? well, the direct cause of the problem is the performance of our generation code. and then the measure that we use day is number to call energy availability to sector

and, and ordinarily or the target. it's a bob set it in a, but you know, we have, you know, we've come from 90 percent performance. now we're below 50. so half of your calls fleet half of the time. i'm not available. and that's at the center. the cost you can debate the causes, we can debate what you know, who's you know, who's to blame. but the technical, the direct technical problem is we've got a fleet that is not performing to expected outputs. and you know, when we look at the conversation today, the president speaking announcing a state of disaster, a lot of critics, you know, suggesting that maybe he's out of touch with the reality of what's happening just to give our audience a sense of what just happened. people timey and thing, his decision to appoint a new minister of electricity will get that as part of job creation as we can see

here on twitter. some people poking fun perhaps at that announcement, this is a mean with drake, people thing. root out corruption and criminal elements and that's com no accelerated implementation of independent power producers. no, but that somehow the minister of electricity is an announcement that's going to solve this problem. what do you make of the sort of criticisms who say and what i may call say is that i was hoping that the president will consolidate, rather than to have even more structures coming up. because he mentioned that the department of public enterprises will continue with the restructuring jack energy transition. he mentioned that day and a and then the climate, a committee that is within his presidency. we'll continue with that. jeff energy transition and then new intake houston and meant new minister of electricity when we have the line functional department that's supposed to get with this. and so in

my view and then there's the national electricity, a crisis committee that also seat within the presidency. for me, i was hoping for more consolidation in terms of what disruptions that our id be there with their plan that he is put in place to ensure that we accelerate trying to being in the solutions rather than even more stretch. as i mean, the national treasury is going to look at that demand side management. india mentions was brought businesses in the re test and all sorts of thing for me. i was hoping for better consolidation. so better consolidation is what she was hoping for . a pa, camila, i want to know how about the, how about you? i mean, just, just to share one more tweet that came, it came on line that we thought was noteworthy sans saying so basically he has no solution useless. and then another one here love that woman saying, who is this president really addressing when most of the country is on the load shedding? now i know you know what load setting as load setting as

a term to refer to these outages. these cuts take a look at this graph, i want to share with you a camila. this is a visualization of days with load shedding. so you can see, aside from 2016, 2017 increasing since then. and a dramatic increase in 2022 as well as this year, a bucket. me they, what do you make of, of these kind of criticisms of the president and how serious it seems, the government's really taking this. so our perspective as an em sir, has always been that the, this government is not really serious about tackling low cheating. you heard your experts over there, mr. jacob motto, who's a former c off escalon and a bona fide energy expert telling you that our problems of mismanagement of the maintenance program for the coal fleet, escal and escal itself and his own in its own reports have said that the faster solution to deal with locating tomorrow or to day is for us to maintain our co

fleet so that we can actually ensure that we provide regular electricity. he did not focus on that. what we heard this evening was a, a more programs to ensure the greater involvement of the private sector in energy generation. yes, he touched on maintenance, he mentioned it. but the focus, if you want to resolve load shitting it quickly, that is the faster solution. and what we've been saying as move sir, is that this load shitting is deliberate, and we say it's deliberate, because as long as there's no lights, then we can justify the privatization of escal. we shouldn't forget that just a mere full 5 years ago in 202018 in january 2018 presidents are on a pause. a appeared before the world economy forum. he told the delegates there that we will not investing in nuclear because at that time south africa had excess

energy. right now, how did we move from excess noel to an inability to provide electricity and metals you? i'm out for a month and that for gary, are the government that's responsible for. yeah, and i don't, i don't with her. you are. but that's exactly the question that we're wondering. and you also take into effect some contextual figures for audience. they may not know, of course, the 3 of you do know that south africa relies on call for 80 percent of its energy needs. as you heard, jacob parker me lay saying, this is deliberate. do you agree? i'm curious. well, i wonder if it's deliberate, but let me say and let me just say 2 things and see, let's set consolidation and folks. the problem is at s. com and it's a code eat problem. and if you don't, if you started many other things but confuses the problem,

then you won't get the solution. so focused on the real problem, which is the performance. all right, the feet of estimates, the consolidated responsibility divide. and it must be clear because we come from it, you know, in the past few months where there seems to be a disjuncture between the shareholder ministry and the policy lead time. so you know who's accountable so. so, so be ok. now forgive me, i appreciate you saying where we should be focusing and because you are redirecting our focus, if you will. i'd like to redirect our focus a little bit to the actual impact on human lives. we're doing that for give me jacob. i'll come right back to you, but i want you to listen to what one man at a recent protest in cape town had to say about how much talk there is. but so little action we didn't really tie it. you know,

i'm going to load shading day off today and we want to see that actually taken, i believe there's a lot of promises. there's a lot of things that people bring within what the government, but we don't see real lucky action being taken place. then i think today it does the form of telling the people in government that we want to speak to. jacob, go ahead, finish your point, but take into consideration that concern that there's so much talk and so little action you see the problem is that when you put a problem at it, coach with the cold feet. and we know that is the most important solution. when you start eating things like, you know, you want to pick the sex in sick come senses. but technically that is not going to move the needle on your problem. and we start talking, i'm going to respect to the time and you know, and it just, when we know that that is the long term project that he's not going to solve. so so,

so call me consolidating and focusing on the real problem and empowering the management of s from to do whatever it needs to be done to, to, to turn around the cold feet is the most important. ok, and i solution, i'm glad we're talking solutions, but you know, that might make a lot of sense. but what about the people who are actually suffering their lives being interrupted? park me like could you explain to us what that actually looks like? maybe for you or for those that you are representing here today. well, am for workers of noon, sir. what that looks like is jobless, because in the manufacturing sector where we have a majority of membership, in fact, cheese and smelters in mining, and in the auto sector and the motor sector, it means that there's a reduction in production. and when companies are not producing an optimum levels, they, it results in job losses. yesterday we heard painful stories from the health and

allied endeavor workers trade union, which is a trade union in south africa representing health care workers. and they said that when there's low shedding, they have to choose between which patients to manually recitation resuscitate, and which patients to a to let die. and, and this is the situation we're facing. and when you have this sort of life and death situation staring you in the face, and you've got a government of, of so, or i'm a person that can stand before the people, and pontificate about solutions that are not going to solve the problem today. it tells you that these people don't take this crisis serious. yeah. and you know, you say pontificating about the solutions. well, and susie was israel on twitter said honest question. after watching the president, pontiff agape does even live in the same country as us. now that may be tongue in cheek, but i think it does highlight the disconnect that people feel. we also see that in you tube people timing into this conversation. for example, just in my berg saying,

we export our electricity to namibia and las soto. but we can't provide for our own country, make it make sense. well, to people who do make sense, let's listen to what some, a farmers have to say about the energy crisis and what you are outlining just how it affects their livelihoods. we are coming out of 678, that was the then it was covert. now the, the leg of lack of bell wouldn't energy and some commodities. so farmers just tell me, i can't go on like that. they must make a call and they can leave their forms of something that they're bloating, considering i think we'll, we'll lose our lives possible to fall off them. honest feelings in bringing supplies. i'm out of most of the businesses who

say it seems like the disruption is quite di or they're as they're explaining it. what do you see as the short term solution or trajectory that the government should be headed in is really no other solution except for this solution that we've been mentioning yet. saying that the air, the cold fired power plants consist of 80 percent of our total is supplying south africa. and without concentrating on that and having only 50 percent of those pop, lance generating electricity you, i'm not going to come up with that problem because it's gonna take you years. infrastructure as long the times is gonna take you years to bring in new infrastructure. so all that solutions we're talking about from regional buying power. now utilities, that's just not sufficient doing procurement programs. that's good, that's good, but that's whoops. still not gonna solve the problem. the primary problem that we need to solve is to seek a fix deal with cub court fat,

powerfully and make sure that it's operating at optimality. at least they a bond of s. com. understand that because they have that, that is one of the upper energies and they've given us timelines in terms of which they wish to 10 that route that i think that the others would wishing that to at least the ed president can fund today. is that national treasury will help as calm in terms of that debt that b o and by reducing it, so that solution is coming and we hope it comes sooner rather than later. those are the interventions that you need to to support s. com. we thought that they can break, go from what each 9 equipment manufacturers that can help them address this problem . i'm, you know, i'm curious. jacob, you seem like you were nodding as we were hearing from who say there, what do you make of the president's performance? recently, in terms of how he's trying to quell the concerns of the public. ah, not necessarily asking you to comment in the state of a commentator but, but i have to say a lot of the people that we've been hearing from, for example,

i'll share with you one video comment that was sent to this show from c bond yecynnia delhi lozzo kind of really highlighting just what this devastating loss means for people to take a listen. this is didn't look like the place and we continue to services. i provided care to their patients because it okay. did not get into this into us. but now the each end to which the label, this is a challenge and be able to give it to the prompting

healthcare facilities. i mean, that's a serious concern. is the president, do you think a giving the public, the sense that he takes this as seriously as their lives are being affected? look, i think i think he takes it seriously. wet, wet with criticism is the solution c, please scratch? i think that a little people that are giving him video, which i believe are removing the focus on the really in some cases the sense that interest business interests especially around the yearbook, is become to go mean in taking over the crisis. fos, the new a lot. now do you have a f, a, a pace in any grid for the purposes of reducing emissions, but they don't bring stability either is required by fixing what is broken. and i

think, i think, you know, we need it. this is a problem, but in the past 3 years, but keep like this. and every time we go to staples, nation, it, we are, it's actually a west problem. so i let people see it 10 out real 10 days . less space of locating. well, if you could do the steps, i'm glad that you brought up renewables in that question in our youtube, chad, to say id badge i saying why aren't south african benefiting from solar energy? a lot of people bringing up renewable energy as well. for example, we had a video comment sent to us from re beto mckoko, a chef there in south africa, who well take a listen to what she said. so we try to get more get surprises, but we are limited due to finances. we can afford solar energy, we kind of were generated. so guess is our next phase thing. so we try to have like

a guess oven that we use when this low shooting. we try and beat them to schedule. so we try and talk and blend and boil things out with like i said before, no kidding goes or so it's just a matter of we actually just always working in a panic mode. those are some of the things and not stocking as much. so we buy limited, dr. wade and limit food. what is because the losses that will in terry will be having to my so working in a panic mode does not seem like a recipe for success, for any economy or a business or individual. you know, with that in mind, fucking me there. i'm wondering if it seems obvious that the whole world south africa included, needs to move away from fossil fuels. but what does that transition look like? i mean, how can it be adjust transition in your mind? well, we have to close the state that whatsoever because doing and what the south african government is implementing is not a just transition even though the president used that term multiple times in his

sona to day. he was perverting the term because as the working class and the poor of this country, we are experiencing extreme hardship. as a result of the really senseless decision to rush to move off the dependence of a coal fired power stations and a rush to implement renewable energy. we prescribe to the just transition principles as defined by the international labor organization was actually result which talk about how this transition must actually address the socio economic problems of south africa. so in other words, if your transition is going to result in more joblessness, more inequality, higher prices of energy, it's not just transition. and that's what's happening in south africa. you've got the renewable energy sector, which is entirely controlled by the private sector. eskimo has no role to play in rolling arg renewable energy, and he didn't even talk about milan away. the closure of these qualified past

stations is going to result in a 100000 jobs last row, so that all of that violates what is dest transition is. what we're seeing in south africa is just green capitalism running rampant. yeah, and it's really, and it's going to have a destructive effect on the poor in the and perhaps it already has a lot of people in our youtube chart saying, you know, you need to remove the state monopoly and ask scientists and engineers to step in and direct the projects we also have jacobs, the bang saying the whole load shredding thing is affecting his business in such a way. his sales have dropped and he is thinking of closing shop. and last but not least, toward con, saying south africa has solar and wind power and abundance. but we can't change because of the state monopolies. so a lot of people echoing some of the concerns that you shared with us today. i want to thank you, jacob, and all of our just for being with us today. puck mulay of course, and who say, we will see you next time. and this is a conversation that we will be following here at the stream. you can follow us at

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