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hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammered. jim jewel, for the 1st time since russia invaded ukraine nearly a year ago, president a lot of lensky has been able to tour europe. he's using the opportunity to thank your opinion leaders for their support. but as also double down on his request for more military assistance, zelinski is also seeking an expedited process to join the you. he says ukrainians are fighting on behalf of all europe and has warned against an impending russian offensive. we're here to our guests in a moment, but 1st this update from our diplomatic editor james base in brussels. on the 3rd stage of his brief surprise, european tour after trips to london and paris president zalinski flew with the french president, emanuel mackerel to brussels. yet in the capital of european union,
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he was again repeating the same message. thanks for all your help. but ukraine still needs more slow graham, who told the pac session of the european parliament that ukraine's home in the future is as part of europe lame nobliss. i am like we are moving closer to the european union. mo, did ukraine will be a member of the european union, shall claim that his winning will be a member of the european union of battles when a usual you are so usual, shaw, what am i guy after standing ovations in the parliament, a short drive away, he was again greeted with applause by the leaders of all the e used 27 nations. when he sat down with them, he laid out his specific requests listed for to read me. we need artillery guns, ammunition area, modern tanks at long range, missiles, modern aircraft, jo at a news conference president zalinski wouldn't detail the responses he's received to his wishlist. but he says the conversations have been constructive. he also
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stressed the time is critical with the new russian offensive expected in the coming weeks. james spies al jazeera brussels. ah. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in cave. sir, he shoppable av is a political analyst at the ill coca chair of democratic initiatives foundation in messina, italy, daniela iraq, professor of international relations at the university of katana. and in washington, d. c. samuel green director of the democratic resilience program at the center for european policy analysis. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on and so. sorry, sir, he let me start with you today. a rush launched a new wave of missiles across ukraine in the last several hours. and what's the current situation for you right now? and keith the situation is ok. it is not the 1st wave of russian stocks. ah,
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they are trying to target our energy infrastructure. so they aim may in the civilian population, they try to turn off the electricity for us. but as you can see, i am with you. i have internet and everything. so russia fails and other time to harm our civilian population. and most of their rockets were intercepted, our general staff reported that 6 to one out of 71 who is messiah was shut down this morning and it is sent to our air defense. and thanks to our partners who provide your brain with advanced air defense systems. and maybe it wasn't nervous russian reaction to these meetings or the last you leaders and british prime minister. but we are totally ok. all right, sorry,
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let me turn out to the topic of that trip by president zalinski. how significant was the trip? and how important was it that president zalinski was able to meet face to face with all these leaders at the same time? well, the been the main topic or for the length of the meeting with both british prime minister and you leaders want to provide your grain with the weapons that your brain needs to repel ration aggression and to liberate gradient. there are 3, in particular, it was about f, 16 fighter jet, which are complex and expensive weapons. these meetings are an important step in their negotiation process and without these meetings, at political decision to provide your brain with 5, jeff can not be made. similar negotiation have been bullying going for a long time,
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regarding other weapons systems, through diplomatic, a 4th grain, convinced its partners to defend military assistance and provide your brain with you and more power whole system. it was about, i'm our systems, federal air defense, the western. what the then such a way to challenge or do it says source lead political decision should be made to transfer these weapons to ukraine. and these meetings are important both in making such a decision the emotional aspect and go from the trust late an important role. and we can allow for these personal contact between the personal drive between european leaders and all of them are going if you remember, sorry, say go ahead. yeah. if you remember, your brain was a rental you candidate state used after you leaders in particular choice and
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growing, visited your brain and they witnessed of the consequences of russian warcraft. and this will be some emotional aspect, and it makes a such, it uses about renting you candidate status or providing your brain who's weapons easier. so is this why it is important? daniella you heard there as here. he talking about the fact the presence zalinski is seeking more weapons, more weapon systems from you leaders presence once he also said at the conclusion of those meetings that several european leaders had expressed to him, their readiness to supply, keep with fighter jets. i want to get your perspective on how likely you think that might be to happen. well, this is a very, very important and relevant meeting because for the 1st time in president and soleski had the chance to me to the european leaders. let me remind that so there is a long and it's published between the you and the ukraine,
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that police being part of the european network policy and also us to try to play an important role. ready in 20142017. about let's get old. we always looked at the you and the european countries, but we also have to remind and to re men remember that you will be on countries have different preferences when it comes to foreign policy, bilateral relations, defense policies. so this means that the, the president soleski was looking at the you, but the also that is relevant bilateral relations with formal the european countries. so these can make the difference, obviously meeting us our whole or his time. can that be different? think but the thing time, because more for molly,
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due to my zation and it is clear that the president of prairie ties and those countries which i've always supported more than others. ukraine, obviously, france and you get, by the same time, we have to remember that different preferences and inter governmental priorities may play a significant role in it. and then, just to go back for a moment to the issue of the fighter jets, because presidents lensky did say that, you know, private conversations he had with these leaders, at least led him to believe that they might be willing to send a military aircraft, or fighter jets to ukraine, going forward. from your vantage point, do you think that is something that is more likely to be considered now by e leaders than it was in the past? ah, well, it's hard to say hard to predict because it is strictly connected to what they're just saying. it's meant to different priorities of young countries may have. in
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principle, as i was saying before, this is more than a symbolic meeting. so, phil, if he could expect to him more support or more military support doesn't i have just heard this more. yeah. that at the end of the meeting, on some certain political leaders, what i would be cautious like, but in mac, wrong was that be more cautious than that. you know, yesterday, for example. so this may, we can say that in principle that you may be likely to happen more than in the past because this meeting can make a difference. but at the same time, we always have to remember then the inter governmental they mention, the ease of it is a struggle strained to for european countries. for is they hard to predict. sim, russia has said that if countries were to send fighter jets to ukraine, that, that would have ramifications for the whole world. this is rhetoric that we've heard in the past from president putin and members of his administration. but in
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this scenario, if that were to actually happen, if countries were to consider sending jets or were to actually send jets going forward, what would it mean when it comes to russia and what would russia be prepared to do? well, the only person who really knows answer that question is letting her put in and his incentive, of course, is to keep us guessing. and to make us think that, that we should be, in fact, detouring ourselves from from supporting ukraine. the reality is, we're now about a year into this war. and putin has tried and his, his spokespeople have tried various points to draw various red lines. any sort of military support, any sort of economic support for ukraine was initially positioned to something that could lead to a, an expansion of the, of the war. any provision of, of military support in terms of an aircraft systems that in terms of artillery
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systems and, and in terms of, of tanks. and what we've seen is that at each stage in russia really has not followed through with some of these threats. and we've seen again that you create a military that is capable and originally into ukranian, state and ukrainian society that are capable of and resilience as well as a growing recognition in western capital's that this is not a war that we can afford to allow russia to when it will create a world in which we don't really want to live in so well, i think daniel is right. there are differences of opinion about exactly how to achieve that victory a for ukraine. i think we're seeing an increasing sense of confidence from western leaders that they can and should continue to support ukraine and ways that will allow them to manage those risks. but that also there's an opportunity here to
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shift the logic a bit. so the tanks that so he was mentioning a moment ago, you know, will, will show up on you creating battlefields only in a matter of months. to be honest, it takes time to train people to get things shipped, to keep things a position to get the supply lines in place. the same will be true for, for, for fighter jets. when those are avenge the proven, i do think it is a question of when rather than rather than if. but what we've seen, particularly with the announcement from london that britain would begin to train our ukrainian air force pilots. and what that does is it shortens the delivery time . so once we get to the point where a political decision is made to deliver these aircraft, they will be able to get into the fight much, much quicker. and that doesn't just change the dynamic on the battlefield. that changes the calculations, obviously for zalinski, it means that he can afford to keep taking the fight to russia,
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but it changes the calculation for russia as well. who has been hoping throughout this that he will eventually reach a point that we will eventually reach a point at which western capitals are no longer willing to provide support for, for ukraine and what these meetings and his commitments continue to show him is that that point will not come until such time as russia has lost this war is and let me pick up on a point you were making and ask you something about it. you were talking about the logistics of all this. you were talking about supply lines. you know, there are a lot of analysts believe that russia is on the verge of launching a new, large scale offensive and ukraine, perhaps in the next few weeks. but one of the complicating factors here is the fact that when the ground begins to thought mud is going to be an obstacle. so our russian troops actually in a position to advance at this stage it's very hard to know, right? we don't exactly know what they're planning, obviously, and i buy sell from not a military analyst. so i,
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i listened to the smart people on this. i think what the consensus among the smart people on this is right is that it's going to be a difficult couple of months. the ukrainians themselves have been very clear about the fact that they are facing a russian military that has increased his manpower along the front lines, particularly in the east. that does seem to be looking to make progress. not, you know, a galloping progress across ukraine. but to make marginal games, they are also willing to take very significant losses in terms of manpower and equipment in order to do that. and in an effort, i think to exhaust ukraine and exhaust the west. so again, this communication that, that ukraine will not run out of support from the west that there is more firepower coming to the front line that ukraine will be able to withstand this. we're new to
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salt from russia and will be in a position to to counter attack is extremely important to the calculations on both sides. daniella obviously, right now we're seeing a unified you, that is bolstering it's support to ukraine. but if the war continues to grind on, if it essentially becomes a war of attrition would at some point, we see you countries push to get ukraine and russia to the negotiating table was it is a very hard as well because the us already leave the other crisis is and already twice the the but it lead all ability to, to produce can you see, can result from the dramatic scale for sure. what it was, it was told during the meeting is that the fight for 440 crane equals for 5 for the so called the u values for the ma, proceed, freedom, civilization and so on. and because what that being said today until until today,
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and it was basically a symbolic supports, what would happen in the future? let me remind without spending 20172018 would have the the means agreement whether you work with respective to play a major role and indiana was very, very difficult. and then the situation remains a little bit and balanced for, for a little while. and then prolonged until today. so it is very hard for you to find a common position. this would be the best condition, common position. and until until now we have seen a common position if very difficult when he comes to weapons provision. when he come fulfilled to relations among, stayed at war and the retreat dependencies of germany, for example, or other countries, enough in the eastern part of europe. but different views are compared to other
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countries in the western part of europe. for what is missing is a common ground, which old member states can, can act. so probably we may back from initiatives from efforts on the part will probably use the to show me show the commission for example. but it is very hard to say that you will play a role, i would say again, sir, he, if things get to a point, i know we're not at that stage right now. but if things were to get to a point where the you or the u. s. or the, you and the u. s. were to try to apply pressure on president zalinski to get him to the negotiating table with russia when it comes to potential negotiations with russia. where it is public opinion in ukraine. stand on this up in december a month ago,
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maryland is asian. did i represent democratic initiative foundation? we conducted an nation wide survey that showed that 62 percent of greens, ah, do not accept any compromises a few buyers. another 80 percent of your brands believe that some compromises can be made but not all compromises. this means that it is possible to negotiate on humanitarian issues, such as rhetoric or for prisoners of war and not political compromises or territorial concessions. and only about 8 percent of your brain as are ready to make a white compromise, including political wants. and as we can see, the vast majority of your greenhouse, i believe they, you're breaking up, understand that russia intent to completely destroy our country. and our people,
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the war grinds, the bacon meat every day, shelling before sieges, and giving you an executive cur, people in the occupied territories. this can be clearly gold, but therefore there is no room for compromise. your great now wants to be free people and russia wants to give us. we have nothing to negotiate about what will continue out the fight for our freedom and liberate our territory from the buyers. we have both determination and their resources to do so. and about the behavioral power button. i don't believe that they will start pushing ukraine or compromise that i think that microphone and german leaders who previously in the previous years, maybe they believed that couldn't use nicole feasible. but now they see that putting, if non negotiation will continue this war,
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and there is no way other than to strengthen your brain. and for him to stop these war might be these, those negotiations about tens and public statements about death war such kind of signal or fine for food. and i will try to explain my thoughts. for example, american and european leaders say that we may provide your brain with tennis and such a public statement is fine for that. either you are stopping this war now, or we provide your brain with everything i needed to just expel you from the better of your brain. you will be military defeated, military storm. and you didn't have to sign. and it means that, you know, negotiate a book. he doesn't perceive much lost direct communication,
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but communication was such father, hey, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. i didn't lie. this is why the decision was made to give us then sure, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we are starting to run out of time. i just want to ask a few more questions to sam daniela sam. last month, president putin replaced his top commander in ukraine. yet again, that's the 3rd time that's happened in less than a year. will the appointment of valeri garage some of make a difference? or is there any indication that it could make a difference? i don't think it is, i mean, i think what we've seen since then has been a, a doubling down on the strategy that so he was talking about right from the very beginning of this of this conversation. right. and that we've seen since september, october of last year when russia started these waves of, of, of bombardments on ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure designed to
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exhaust the country. it has failed to do that. they have, you know, brought to fruition to plan for a partial mobilization, at least that will put some, some more man power and they will test the front line. but at the end of the day, you know, moving generals around and changing the chain of command does not give a rush of new technology. it does not give russia new arguments. it doesn't really change the situation on the battlefield. doesn't give russia new military with which to fight or fundamentally a new strategy. the reality is that russia has picked a war, picked a fight that it can't really win. and, and, and the initiative does really remain on the, on the western side. and there's, there's, there's nothing that a really can do about that. daniella in the past in video stream addresses to you meetings and to, to you leaders present zalinski has been critical at times of, of some of the european countries that he believed weren't doing enough to,
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to help you. crane was his tone in his address during this to were different. was it more diplomatic? what was he trying to show his appreciation more this time around? yeah, there was completely different. i mean that on the wall a small diplomatic, that a sent time i would say was more strategic. but probably because s perceived that these, this meeting was not going to be a symbolic, only symbolic because it was a u. s. been very mast, tim bolick to match symbolic until now so things. and that definitely going to be to be different. it is true that there were some from countries from european countries that you remember that in the past to add them on friday to be not for much supportive as the others. i respect you to dear to you, cray. ah, but at the same time, what we thought do in this meeting was there are more let's
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a comprehensive approach to ukraine. obviously some countries i don't know, like under a for example, didn't them of traitor, a complete, a complete new approach. but in some way with them wait, it was a little bit more because they soleski was here for expecting a bit more and probably it was a, it was using a more strategic approach cautious approach once. well, sir, he or we only have a couple minutes left, or i want to ask you when it comes to present zalinski, trying to ensure that ukraine conjoined that you. do you think that ukraine will be able to join you in an expedited manner and also more importantly, what can you membership offer ukraine that you members cheaper is a long term advantage for you. great. and it will allow your brain
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to restore after the, after all, the devastations, major byte, russia. and this was a, this will also help to make our country better. because in order to become a new member state, your brain needs to make reforms, or otherwise your brain doesn't become you member state, as such reforms, ah, they will not allow such scenes like corruption or mismanagement that through your wide spread in your grain before i think that you membership will allow us to become better internally and to in future we will leave without such and such, such seemed like corruption that ruined us. and because of corruption,
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the money are spent ineffective in an executive way. and there, i'm sorry to interrupt you again. we're just almost out of time just very quickly. do you think that you will allow ukraine to join any time soon? just very quickly please. it will not happen until the war ends, i suppose. and i think it can take up to 5 or 7 years. ah, when such are the forms that are needed for your brain to join you? ah, it will my, it will make this possible. all right, we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much all or i guess there he shoppable of daniella aurora, and samuel greene. thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also during the conversation on twitter, our handle is at ha,
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