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hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammered. jim jewel, for the 1st time since russia invaded ukraine nearly a year ago, president, a lot of miss lensky has been able to tour europe. he's using the opportunity to thank your opinion leaders for their support, but as also double down on his request for more military assistance. zelinski is also seeking an expedited process to join you. he says ukrainians are fighting on behalf of all europe and has warned against an impending russian offensive. we'll get to our guests in a moment. but 1st this update from our diplomatic editor james bass in brussels. on the 3rd stage of his brief surprise, european tour after trips to london and paris president zalinski flew with the french president, emanuel mackerel, to brussels, and in the capital of european union. he was again repeating the same message.

thanks for all your help. but ukraine still needs more slow. graham told the pac session of the european parliament that ukraine's home in the future is as part of europe, family lame knowledge. i am as we are moving closer to the european union. mo, did ukraine will be a member of the european union, shall claim that his winning will be a member of a european union of battles. when a usual you are so usual, shaw, what am i guy? after standing ovations in the parliament, a short drive away, he was again greeted with applause by the leaders of all the used 27 nations. when he sat down with them, he laid out his specific requests list for 30 me. we need artillery guns, ammunition area, modern tanks at long range missiles of modern aircraft, which are at a news conference presidents. lensky wouldn't detail, responses he's received to his wishlist, but he says the conversations have been constructive. the also stressed the time is

critical with the new russian offensive expected in the coming weeks. james bays al jazeera brussels. ah. all right, let's go and bring in our guests in cave. sir, he shoppable av is a political analyst at the ill coca chair of democratic initiatives foundation in messina, italy, daniela iraq, professor of international relations at the university of katana. and in washington, d. c. samuel green director of the democratic resilience program at the center for european policy analysis. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on and so. sorry, sir, he let me start with you today. a rush launched a new wave of missiles across ukraine in the last several hours. and what's the current situation for you right now in cave? the situation is ok. it is not the tourist wave across a new stock. ah,

they are trying to target our energy infrastructure. so they aim mainly civilian population. they try to turn off the electricity for us. but as you can see, i am with you. i have internet and everything. so russia fails another time to harm our city, then population and most of their rockets were intercepted. our general staff reported that 6 to one out of 71 who is messiah was shut down this morning. and it is thanks to our air defense. and thanks to our partners who provide your brain with advanced air defense systems. and maybe it was an enormous russian reaction to these meetings or the last you leaders and british

prime minister. but we are totally ok. all right, very let me turn out to the topic of that trip by president zalinski. how significant was the trip? and how important was it that president zalinski was able to meet face to face with all these leaders at the same time? well then the main topic or for the length of the meeting with both british prime minister and you leaders want to provide you great with the weapon that your brain needs to repel. ration aggression and deliberate gradient. there are 3, in particular, you talk about f, 16 fighter jet, which are complex and expensive weapons. these meetings are an important step in the negotiation process and without meeting at political decision to provide your brain with by the jeff, can not be made. similar negotiation have been bullying going for

a long time regarding other weapons systems. through diplomatic, if for your brain is partners to defense, military assistance and provide your brain with you and the more powerful system it was about. i'm our systems, federal air defense, the western western event, such as we have to challenge or do a thorough lead political decision should be made to transfer these weapons to ukraine. and these meetings are important both in making such a decision the emotional aspect and go from the trust late an important role. and we can allow for these personal contact between and personal drive between european leaders and all of them are going if you remember there he go ahead. if you remember, your brain was the rental you candidate state used after you leaders in particular,

shorts and backbone visited your brain and they witness to the consequences of rational work, right? and this will be some emotional aspect, and it makes such a decisions about renting you candidate status or providing your brain whose weapons easier. so this is why it is important, daniela you heard there as there, he talking about the fact the presence zalinski is seeking more weapons, more weapon systems, from you leaders presence when he also said at the conclusion of those meetings that several european leaders had expressed to him, their readiness to supply, keep with fighter jets. i want to get your perspective on how likely you think that might be to happen. well, it is a very, very important and relevant meeting because for the 1st time in president and soleski had the chance to me to the european leaders. let me remind that. so there is a year long, and it's published between you and the ukraine,

that for the kind of being part of the european network policy. and also the us try to play an important role. ready in 20142017. but let's get old. we always looked at the you and the european countries, but we also have to remind and to remind, remember that europe, countries have different preferences when it comes to foreign policy, bilateral relations, defense policies. so this means that the, the president soleski was looking at the you, but the also that is relevant bilateral relations with formal the european country . so these can make the difference, obviously, meeting do you as a whole or his time. can that be different? think but a thin time because more for molly, due to my zation,

and it is clear that the president really ties and those countries that we always supported more than others. ukraine, obviously france and you get, by the same time, we asked to remember that different preferences and inter governmental priorities may play a significant role in it. and then, you know, just to go back for a moment to the issue of the fighter, just because presidents kolinski did say that, you know, private conversations he had with these leaders at least led him to believe that they might be willing to send a military aircraft or fighter jets to ukraine going forward. from your vantage point, do you think that is something that is more likely to be considered now by e leaders than it was in the past? ah, well, it's hard to say hard to predict because his physically connected to what they have just say it's meant to different priorities of young countries may have in

principle, as i was saying before, this is more than a symbolic meeting. so phil, if he could expect to him more support or more military support button, i have just heard this more. yeah. that at the end of the meeting of some certain political leaders, what i would be cautious like of breathy and macro was i'd be more cautious than the inner yesterday, for example. so these may, we can say that in principle that you may be likely to have then more than in the past because his meeting can make a difference. but at the same time, we always have to remember then the inter governmental they mention, the ease of it is a struggle strained for european countries. i thought is they hard to predict. sim, russia has said that if countries were to send fighter jets to ukraine, that, that would have ramifications for the whole world. this is rhetoric that we've heard in the past from president putin and members of his administration. but in

this scenario, if that were to actually happen, if countries were to consider sending jets or were to actually send jets going forward, what would it mean when it comes to russia and what would russia be prepared to do? well, the only person who really knows answer that question is letting her put in and his sense of, of course, is to keep us guessing. and to make us think that, that we should be, in fact, detouring ourselves from from supporting ukraine. the reality is, we're now about a year into this war. and putin has tried and his, his spokespeople who tried various points to draw various red lines, any sort of military support. and he sort of economic support for ukraine was initially positioned to something that could lead to an expansion of the, of the war. any provision of, of military support in terms of war and aircraft systems that in terms of artillery

systems and, and in terms of, of tanks. and what we've seen is that at each stage in russia really has not followed through with some of these threats. and we've seen again that you create a military that is capable and originally into ukrainian state and ukraine. society that are capable and resilience as well as a growing recognition. in western capital's that, you know, this is not a war that we can afford to allow russia to, when it will create a world in which we don't really want to live in. so, well, i think daniel is right. there are differences of opinion about exactly how to achieve that victory a for ukraine. i think we're seeing an increasing sense of confidence from western leaders that they can and should continue to support ukraine and ways that will allow them to manage those risks. but that also there's an opportunity here to shift the logic a bit. so the tanks that he was mentioning

a moment ago will, will show up on you creating a battlefield only in a matter of months. to be honest, it takes time to train people to get things shipped, to get people is a position to get the supply lines in place. the same will be true for, for, for fighter jets. when those are avenge the proven, i do think it is a question of wind rather than rather than if. but what we've seen, particularly with the announcement from london that britain would begin to train our ukrainian air force pilots. what that does is it shortens the delivery time. so once we get to the point where a political decision is made to deliver these aircraft, they will be able to get into the fight much, much quicker. and that doesn't just change the dynamic on the battlefield. that changes the calculations, obviously for zalinski, it means that he can afford to keep taking the fight to russia,

but it changes the calculation for russia as well. who has been hoping throughout this that he will eventually reach a point that we will eventually reach a point at which western capitals are no longer willing to provide support for, for ukraine and what these meetings and its commitments continue to show him is that that point will not come until such time as russia has lost this war. it saying, let me pick up on a point you were making and ask something about it. you were talking about the logistics of all this. you were talking about supply lines. you know, there are a lot of analyst to believe that russia is on the verge of launching a new, large scale offensive and ukraine, perhaps in the next few weeks. but one of the complicating factors here is the fact that when the ground begins to thought mud is going to be an obstacle. so our russian troops actually in a position to advance at this stage it's very hard to know, right? we don't exactly know what they're planning, obviously, and myself, i'm not a military analyst. so i,

i listened to the smart people on this. i think what the consensus among the smart people on this is right is that it's going to be a difficult couple of months. the ukrainians themselves have been very clear about the fact that they are facing a russian military that has increased its manpower along the front lines, particularly in the east. that does seem to be looking to make progress, not, you know, galloping progress across ukraine. but to make, you know, marginal games, they are also willing to take very significant losses in terms of manpower and equipment in order to do that. and in an effort, i think, to exhaust ukraine and exhaust the west. so again, this communication that that ukraine will not run out of support from the west. there is more firepower coming to the front line that ukraine will be able to withstand this. renew the salt from russia and will be in a position to,

to counter attack. is extremely important to the calculations on both sides and then yellow, obviously, right now we're seeing a unified you that is bolstering it's support to ukraine. but if the war continues to grind on, if it essentially becomes a war of attrition would at some point, we see you countries push to get ukraine. and russia to the negotiating table was due to the, very hard as well because the us already leave the other crisis is and already the most widely the but it leads all ability to, to produce and you can't result from the dramatic scale for sure. what it was, it was told during the meeting is that the fight for 440 crane equals the 5 for the so called the u values for the mock receive freedom, civilization and, and so on. and because that being said today until till today,

and it was basically a symbolic supports, what would happen in the future? let me remind what happened in 20172018 would have the means agreement to whether you work with respective to play a major role and indiana was very, very difficult. and then the situation remains a little bit on balance to for, for a little while, and then prolonged until today. so it is very hard for you to find a common position. this would be the best condition, common position. and until until now, we have a common position if very difficult, when he comes to weapon provision. when he come fulfilled to relations among states . as for energy dependencies of germany, for example, or other countries, enough in the eastern part of europe. but different views are compared to other

countries in the western part of europe. so what is missing is a common ground which all member states can, can up. so probably we may back from initiative from efforts on the part of probably you is the 2 shall have me shown the commission for example, but it is very hard to say that you will play a role. i would say again, sir, he, if things get to a point, i know we're not at that stage right now, but if things were to get to a point where the, you or the u. s. or the, you and the u. s. were to try to apply pressure on president zalinski to get him to the negotiating table with russia when it comes to potential negotiations with russia, where it is public opinion in ukraine. stand on this up in december

a month ago. they're going to zation did i represent democratic initiative foundation. we conducted an nation wide survey that showed that 62 percent of greens are do not accept any compromises with buyers. another 80 percent of your brands believe that some compromises can be made but not all compromises. this means that it is possible to negotiate on humanitarian issues, such as rhetoric or for prisoners of war and not political compromises or territorial concessions. and only about 8 percent of your brain as already to make a wide compromise, including political was, as we can see, the vast majority of your greenhouse. i believe they, you're breaking up, understand that russia intent to completely destroy our country and our people,

the war crimes that they can meet every day, shouting people, features and giving you an executive cur, people in the occupied territories. this can be clearly called gina, but therefore there is no room for compromise. ukraine wants to be free. people and russia wants due to us. we have nothing to negotiate about. we will continue the fight for our freedom and liberate our territory from the buyers. we have both determination and their resources to do so. and about the behavioral power button. i don't believe that they will start pushing ukraine or compromises. i think that microphone and german leaders who previously in the previous years, maybe they believed that who didn't use nicole feasible. but now they see that fortune, if mon negotiation will continue the for war. and there is no way

other than to strengthen your brain. and for him to stop these war might be these, those negotiations about 10 and public statements about the death war war, such kind of signal or fine. so could you explain my thoughts, for example, american and european leaders say that we may provide your brain and such a public statement is fine for that. either you are stopping this war now, or we provide your brain with everything you needed to just expel you from the better of your brain. you will be military deficient in military term, and you didn't have to sign. and it means that he is no negotiate a book. he doesn't perceive much. lot's direct communication,

but communication was such by their haysman, sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, that's why this is why the decision was made to give us 10 short, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we are starting to run out of time. i just want to ask a few more questions to sam daniela sam. last month president putin replaced his top commander in ukraine. yet again, that's the 3rd time that's happened in less than a year. will the appointment of valeri garage, the mob make a difference, or is there any indication that it could make a difference? i don't think it is. i mean, i think what we've seen since then has been a, a doubling down on the strategy that so he was talking about right from the very beginning of this, of this conversation. right. and that we've seen since september, october of last year when russia started these waves of, of, of bombardments on ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure designed to

exhaust the country. it has failed to do that. they have, you know, brought to fruition to plan for a partial mobilization, at least that will put some, some more man power and they will test the front line. but at the end of the day, you know, moving generals around and changing the chain of command does not give a rush of new technology. it does not give russia new arguments. it doesn't really change the situation on the battlefield. doesn't give russia new military with which to fight or fundamentally a new strategy. the reality is that russia has picked a war, picked a fight that it can't really win. and, and, and the initiative does really remain on the, on the western side. and there's, there's, there's nothing that a really can do about that. daniella in the past in video stream addresses to you meetings and to, to you leaders present zalinski has been critical at times of, of some of the european countries that he believed weren't doing enough to,

to help you. crane was his tone in, in his address during this to are different. was it more diplomatic? what was he trying to show his appreciation more this time around? yeah, there was completely different. i mean, that's on the wall. a small diplomatic that a sent time i would say was more strategic, but probably because s perceived that these, this meeting was not going to be symbolic or only symbolic because there. busy was a u. s. b very much molig to match symbolic until now, so things. and that definitely going to be to be different. it is true that there were some from countries from european countries that you members had in the past to add them on friday to be not for much supportive as the others. i respect you too dear to you, cray. ah, but at the same time, what we thought during this meeting was there are more let's

a comprehensive approach to ukraine. obviously some countries i don't know, like under a for example, didn't them of traitor, a complete, complete new approach. but in some way with me, it was a little bit more because soleski was here for expecting a bit more. and apparently it was a, it was using a more strategic approach cautious approach once. well, sir, he or we only have a couple minutes left, or i want to ask you when it comes to present zalinski, trying to ensure that ukraine can join you. do you think that ukraine will be able to join you in an expedited manner and also more importantly, what can you membership offer ukraine that you members cheaper is a long term advantage for you. great. and it will allow your brain

to restore after the, after all, the devastations made by russia. and this was, this will also help to make our country better. because in order to become a new member state, your brain needs to make reforms, or otherwise your brain doesn't become a member of state. and such reforms. ah, they will not allow such scenes like corruption or mismanagement, that the war widespread in your grain before. i think that membership will allow us to become better internally and to in future we will leave without such and such, such seemed like corruption that ruined us and because of corruption,

the money are spent ineffective in an interactive way and there and the interrupt you again we're just almost out of time just very quickly. do you think that you will allow ukraine to join any time soon? just very quickly please. it will not happen until the war ends, i suppose. and i think it can take up to 5 or 7 years. ah, when such are the forms that are needed for your grading to join you? ah, it will my, it will make this possible. all right, we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much all our guests there he shoppable of daniella, aurora, and samuel greene. thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also during the conversation on twitter, our handle is at ha, inside story for me. mm hm. mm hm. jerome,

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