lucia topside of green energy on al jazeera, this wave of sentiment around the world. if you actually want accountability from the people who are running their countries. and i think often people's voice is not heard because it's not part of the mainstream news narrative. obviously we cover the big stories and we'll report from the big events that are going on. but we also tell the stories of people. again, we don't have a voice. i mean, whenever tom, my dad never be afraid to put your hand up. now ask a question, and i think that's what honestly really does. we ask the question to the people who should be accountable, and also we get people to give their view of what's going on. ah, i'm roboson in doha. the top stories on al jazeera, more than 25000 people have died after 2 powerful earthquakes. it took here and syria on monday. such a rescue efforts continue among the latest news. a family of 5 has been pulled

alive from the rubble and gazillion tapped a 129 hours since the disaster. and on friday night, a woman was fine to live in dia, back here. she survived a 120 hours under a collapsed building. russell selda has more from cut him on marsh. many lives here have been torn apart and families are shattered. so dear during the nights and days wait in and to get there below with one's back dead or alive here right behind me you can see this rubble. dozens of people have been taken out of that in the last 24 hours. and still, there are many missing people under that. and the rescue teams here, they know that they are running out of the time as it is the 6th day. this city was one of the most dole of cities in turkey. and it was having a very vibrant intellectual life and it's known by its poets. so it's called the

city off 7 good man, referring to 7 famous poets in turkey. but after losing that much of the lives more than 6000 people. now it has lost its many faces forever. international aid is arriving in the destroyed areas of northern syria, plains, carrying supplies from the united out of ambulance or mon shanicea and libya have arrived at a 2nd to you. an aide convoy of 14 trucks is crossed into rebel held areas of syria, the u. n. warns that more than 5300000 people have been made homeless by the earthquakes. to all the world news now in democratic republic of congo fighting has been going on near the eastern time of saki, some 20 kilometers west of the regional capital goma. and comes a day after m. 23 fighters aged closer to saki, prompting thousands to flee their homes. east african leaders have called for an immediate cease fire. you as fighter jets, have shot down

a high altitude object as calling it over the small town of dead horse and northeastern alaska. the pentagon says it posed a threat to flight safety. come 6 days after it shot down a chinese balloon over the united states. un nuclear war stop chief raphael grossey is in moscow, is been holding talks with the head of russia's state nuclear from or sat on. they discussed the situation at ukraine's zappa aisha nuclear power plant. they've agreed to continue work in creating a safe so they're repeated shelling of the plant which is now controlled by russia as raised concerns about a nuclear accident. we continue the work that he play. sion unfortunately continues to be very fragile, very precarious. my ex birds for example, to day had to be rotated. a group was waiting to go into the plant and another group to leave it. fortunately,

these rotation is being delayed for the as he to asia, which is prevailing at, in, in the area where today. very strong donations were been, had all of these, all of these say to us that we cannot lose any more time. which langan president has inaugurated our time l. cultural center, as part of villanova grammar sing as outreach to the terminal minority in the north . ahead of elections next month. it comes as anger grows over an economic crisis that have been months of protests and unrest. there's been violence outside a hotel in the north west of england for asylum seekers have been staying anti immigrant demonstrators fought with protesters who been supporting refugees enormously near liverpool, moses, i police said 3 people had been arrested who's president called for an all party meeting to solve the country's political crisis. the cong drank your congress,

has rejected dinner boulevard. his proposal to held hold ali elections. public anger has been growing since december. 59. people have died in the unrest in those . the headlines is the bottom line next. ah, hi, i'm steve clements and i have a couple of questions. how aligned or the united states in france on the war in ukraine and how aligned are they on everything else? let's get to the bottom line. ah, frances, always argue that europe should be able to have its own unique foreign policies, even if they don't line up 100 percent, with those of europe's biggest allies, the united states, at the start of the ukraine war, about a year ago, french president emanuel macros said the west must be careful not to humiliate russia and emphasize frances ability to act as a mediator. when the time comes for negotiations. as macro is also push the concept

of european strategic autonomy and a new concept called the european political community. that brings together $27.00 . you leaders with 17 other leaders from the continent currently outside the club, including the u. k. turkey norway in ukraine. despite this biden gave us 1st a dinner last year, celebrating the french president and elevated the alliance to one of the most vital and compelling america has. so how closely our america and france aligned? where did the 2 countries agree? and where did they agree to disagree? today were talking with veteran french diplomat, felipe, etc, and the ambassador of france to the united states. and before that chief diplomatic adviser to the president of france, ambassador at t m. thank you so much for joining us here today. you're right on the edge of leaving your post and going off to be a professor at columbia to think great thoughts and perhaps right, great books. but i'm interested in getting your strategic map as you look not just at the french american relationship,

but the world about what you think we're not getting right. what do we as allies need to focus on? what, what, what worries do you have out there that are unaddressed right now? indeed, i think we, the worry in ukraine's is aggression by russia against ukraine. is some, something, it's very bad news it's. it's also very, very big news. it's war back to europe. so many years after world war 2 and my experience is that in february when it started and even before it started before it started because you, we knew it could come. we have had and we have had since then all the time. a very close called edition between the united states and its european allies, including the european union as such is so important as you said, for us,

but also for the other members fits of the do. and this is a reassuring, in a very dire situation. and it says a lot about the depth of our alliance when we have to face such critical situation at that time, in february, last year, france was the chair of the council of the european union. so we had to great, we had a big responsibility both in terms of uniting the member states of the to 27 member states of the you. but also in this relation with the united states. again, we have nothing to, to be had to you about what happened, what's happening now considering the sufferings of training people and which means this war against all principles of international security committed. and

this been committed by one of his 5 permanent members of the security council view . and it means so, so much for our international order. but see we have this to assuring factor that our alliance is strong, kind of push strong. of course, this has been confirmed during the step visit made by our president to washington a new orleans to the united states. and it was president biden's 1st state dinner exactly what they said. the 1st said visits under the mandate of this administration, whether or not, but as you said, it's meant probably something about the depth of this, the oldest alliance, but also about what it is today about how strong it treatments and how important it tweeter women in the future for addressing the other challenges we speak about. now . are you worried though, and i don't know if i'm going to get this out right? but are you worried that there were many people that doubted the solvency of nato

before this russian incursion into ukraine? even president macros before came out and talked about nato being brain dead, that people were not looking at how to make the relation that it required this shock of the russian invasion, so that the transit atlantic relationship could be re unified. you know, are you worried that we're too dependent on other things to happen so that the alliance can react strongly. but when that, when that bad event doesn't happen, we were drifting apart. when 1st such an alliance, which isn't the lines on security, has been built to ensure the security of its members in the trans atlantic community and to face such events to, to, to be able to answer. and you mentioned the statement made by the french, our president president my call

a couple of years ago. but the context was very different. it was another us administration, as you remember. and you remember what the president of the, the then president ring president from the term. yeah. and you, you remember some of the statements about metro. so, but also we had another issue which to such an extent remains and we have this terrible asked quick right now, which hits the populations in turkey and syria. we must also remember that at that time we had really difficult discussions about the attitude we should have in syria. was one of our allies, turkey, that case. and this, this was, and this is still sensitive for us because the terrorist attacks against paris in 2015 and we plotted from north east syria, as you may remember, you know,

november 2050. so this was a contact center that even under the trump administration. and still more after the new administration, there was a big work which has been done at nato, including on the conception of what we are for, including re affirming that we're here to ensure our come and security against in europe in budget for in the atlantic region. and this was, has been, of course, very useful when russia has invented ukraine. and one of the things we had done, which is, which was really important, as nato was to reinforce our it's what we call our instant flag. friends has sent troops and equipments to romania, for instance, right? because those countries are on the front line is a message. so and the 2nd thing which has been important the issue as such is now

a provider of security. also because security, the notion of security is much larger. it is not on the defensive. cyber. it is energy, it is critical technologies and the he, you has now become a real actor. look, look at this is a really interesting question. as you define security and threats and one of my pet peeves as we now define february 24th as the start of ukraine war president biden. his announce he's going to go to poland on that day and be in poland on the day of the war began. but actually in my book, the war began on february 23rd because that's when the cyber attack, from russia actually began against ukraine. lots of defensive measures, that story turned out to be a rather good one for ukraine. but when we think about tanks and we think about cyber sabotaged, we don't treat them the same way. so i guess my question was twofold, is one, do we need to think differently about what we think drives conflict?

do we need to move in and look at these tech interest? the other thing is the presence going to poland is the center of gravity in europe, shifting from the western european countries to some of the eastern european edge of europe. first, the ukrainians say rightly that the world didn't start on february 24. on february 23 a, but i mean a couple of years before. exactly. and we know we know this also because france and germany at that time were involved and try to, to, to stop this 1st war, but also to meet it. and we know then what happened and how the russian leadership has decided to, to go to another still more brutal worry of invasion. but indeed, yes, cyber and all other dimensions. energy is weaponized in a way and can be, could be used as, as an element of pressure. we see

a lot of different elements coming in to define a new security, which is security today. and we have to, of course, to, to have, as integrate as consistent vision of all those challenges to our security. this thing the, the idea of security as evolved because we have know who have new spaces of conflicts, realty cyberspace is one of those. the men we have also the space right there are heads, which is becoming anyway space and which is becoming more and more both an incredible perspective for our future was the relaunch of the space adventure on the moon and, and then and mouth, but also more and more so an issue for come in security and look at, look at the seas, the oceans also, it's more and more as we see in the pacific atlantic it, it becomes again,

a real issue of sovereignty of security. so we have to take all of this into account and we have in nature we have adapted as in the you, as united states, we have a new concept with no new strategy of security. and how about the role of eastern europe right now is rising. when we the older members of the, you're the founding members of the european union, we have seen those countries liberated from dictatorship for the communities. and well, of course reach out to them because they are, they have always been important countries for europe, poland, romania where i was ambassador, i was investigating bucharest, you know, those countries check republics. love actually, hungary, the baltic republics. all of them also bulgaria were menu. all those countries

matter for europe, you know, i have, i'm a passionate about european integration as you might know, safe because i met last times during my time in washington. every country measures in the e. u. a for me, it is not really interesting to say, is this country more important now or has been they have always been important those the re unification of europe with poland, his romania resume. others was such an essential development of your opinion. and so of course, they are important maybe still more important now with a new job political well context, but they are important anyway, when you were the president's president biden state of the union address recently, and it struck me that president biden did spend a lot of time talking about how vital the, the global struggle for democracy is. and i look at some parts of eastern europe and, you know, the countries, you know, hungary,

you've seen some other countries that you have to be honest. democracy in democratic practice. enormous were to be kind wobbly. and maybe again, the russian invasion, ukraine is actually help the democrats out somewhat in some of these countries. but when it comes to values in democratic practice, do you have problems inside europe that maybe russia is trying to exacerbate you? are they are, they are blind spot there that, that we should china light on. i think democracy is by far the best system for freedoms. but we know it is not an easy system. it is fragile and you know, it's also in the united states. so at the age of social media, for instance, we have to defend our democracies. we have to defend the values which are defining our democracy, such as the freedom of speech, but also the defense of the security of our people. all of this is really

a find find balance to find, but also in a deputation to convince our people that the democracy is well alive. we are doing this in the you because the you, with all its member states is based on the idea of democracy. the european union, european integration from the very beginning at the beginning of the 1950s, has been the political union not only and economists union and at the base of this political union, there are the notions of democracy and freedoms. so of course, we have to have the conversation inside our community, but to come back to the war in ukraine. this is a war for the freedom of our peoples. and we must be aware not to limit this to the west or to the united states or to european nations and the united states. it's about the freedom of a people, the possibilities for every nation to resist,

to an invasion, to keep its freedom. what did you credence are fighting for is so important 1st, and it is not only a question of western democracies, it is a matter for everybody around the world. every nation which wants to keep that freedom, its national freedom, but also the personal freedom of its citizens. how worried are you about the fragility in the transit atlantic economic relationship? recently we've had the french finance minister granola mer in washington, d. c. and the german economics minister and vice chancellor. richard, hey, back here. basically lobbying the government to keep open the inflation reduction act. the want to get into that folks. but it's basically america's green, new deal, you know, softly deployed to look at all the energy development and making sure that your piece. but there's an element of nationalism in it. domestic procurement requirements and, and some in europe are saying, hey,

we need to do the same thing over that. we need to subsidize our own re, new industries in europe. and i was listening to bruno lemaire and others talk about a race to subsidies and something that could be negative for both sides. do you worry about that? is there a facility there that we should be thinking about? we have this conversation was together with the war in ukraine. each was one of the main topics of the political discussion during the state visit of prison on that call with prison biden. and also is the members of the congress match. we fundamentally agree with the political goals of the inflation reduction act we in europe, which is to fight for our climate for the climate, which is when one of the most important challenges we will face. but also to build both in europe and in the united states. strong, strong, green industries, strong green technologies,

which make us and our supply chains more resilient. the issue is to coordinate, as our minister said, you, you recall it's, it's, you warned against risk subsidies. the cognition is important to avoid this. and also because since we share the same political goals, we should be sure that each of our policy, our political instruments are still bolts, are subsidies, are reinforcing on common goals are to goes to plus risen in supply chains and technologies and efficient fight against the climate so it's true that the europeans are worried. i've expressed some worries about some parts of the some provisions of the i, but we have this conversation and we have reached already some results. and we will do the same if you indeed we, we have started, of course we were started before the us. we were in the, you have

a sort of leadership in the world for the negotiation on climate. but we have because we are very ambitious goals, minus 55 percent of carbon emissions by 2030. it's a very ambitious goal. so we have started this climate policy in the u. but now we will step them up a bit like the us and we have to coordinate and to avoid between our economy's negative effects. but in, in the country to ensure that each of our policy is reinforcing our common outcome and goals that shipment of a common goals. let me ask you a question here that i, that i hope we can get a candid answer on. and i know that many minutes i always can the us government officials right now. karen, dawn fried, but many other celebrate us diplomat. extraordinary. i'm but i'm interested in how really, how often you find america completely. s gets

a frantic partner. like sometimes we're on and on the right message. sometimes we're off and i ask this with regards to strategic autonomy, which fascinates me because this is one of macros, important initiatives in and, and from my perspective as an american, i think that france and europe overall being more capable about its own interest, more thoughtful about its own interest, more cont, committed to stability. there is a great global good in something the united states should want. but sometimes i think united states says we want strategic autonomy too. but we want you to do what we want you to do. and so how much tension is there in the strategic economy game? what 1st, what you, which use describe is pretty natural, isn't it? i mean, very natural, it's all the europeans to do the things. and also i was always surprised when we speak about sovereignty or autonomy. it's normal that the europeans are willing to decide for their own interests and for their own future. the question of

sovereignty is, is an important one in the world and it is not at all related against the us. on the contrary, we have in the world all directors, big challenges which make that it is both more, sometimes delicate, and also more important to defend our own sovereignty. and i, i've always been convinced and even passionate with it, that it's really important for the united states in the long term. but also in the short term by the way, to have a stronger european union. which, you know, for instance, where the u. s. can rely on its europe in allies to do certain things on their own . it's obviously in the interest of the us both in the security field, but also also for the economy and to have a, as we said before, to have a stronger, a strong industrial technological base on the 2 sides of the atlantic. including

for our own defense. it's important you look at what happens in ukraine, we have to provide the ukrainians with some equipments. we'd like to have the industrial base for doing that. let me ask, you know, we all have a big conflict with russia right now with what's going on ukraine. but when emmanuel manuel macro calls and putting picks up the phone, we have a lot of tensions with china right now. when macro calls he's in pinky jim picks up, the phone is france, america's negotiator, is it the diplomatic offshore balance, or i am sure that the america is a book jamika said, and also the u. s. government speaks with china, for instance, even if we had the recently some, some issues there. we do not pretend to be the only ones who speak with everybody. but, you know, one of the basic recipes of the diplomacy,

diplomatic work is you have to talk to the people with whom you disagree. because if you only talk to the people who is whom you agree, it is not really useful. so yes, we think also as one of the 5 permanent members of the security council of junior nations that we have this responsibility. and this responsibility is global and including in the context of the war in ukraine. it's really important that we keep a contact with deep into contact with. ok, so as a developing countries emerging countries, you spoke about russia, china, you're right. but look at all the other important are when members of the international community are the all the other g 20 members? it's so important boss to discuss the war in ukraine, which is a threat to everybody in the world as i said, but also the global challenges. poverty remains a challenge that also helps global health. we have seen with coating climate,

biodiversity right? it is important to speak to everybody and we, it's a bit d, n a of our diplomacy, and our president is very active indeed on this international well, ambassador felipe, etc. and thanks for joining us today and good luck on your next venture. thanks. you're safe. so what's the bottom line? friendship and trust between leaders and countries can go very far. but the only real thing that is dependable between nations is permanent interests. france has been america's ally from day one, in part is france did believe in the idea of e galati and liberty, but perhaps more because it was an expedient course to take. his france was gripped in a global struggle 250 years ago. with england. there may have been hiccups along the way, but paris in washington are on the same side in so many global conflicts. macaroni efforts to push back here and there, and work on european strategic autonomy is not really seen as a threat by the united states, which doesn't have the resources or the same world view as europe on some strategic

issues. america is not always paying attention. sometimes it once you're up to have strategic autonomy and let's face it. sometimes it just wants to take orders and do what america wants it to do. washington could be a bits, gets a frantic and bipolar. but that's the nature of a lot of relationships. sort of like a long term marriage that still works. and that's the bottom line. ah ah, nissan, newly ah,

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