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a group was waiting to go into the plant and another group to leave it. fortunately, these rotation is being delayed for the as he to asia, which is prevailing at, in, in the area where today, very strong detonations were been, had all of these, all of these say to us that we cannot lose any more time to democratic republic of congo now were fighting has been going on near the eastern time of saki, some 15 kilometers west from the regional capital goma, and comes a day after m. 23 fighters interest closer to saki, prompting fastens to flee their homes. east african leaders have called for an immediate cease fire under working to find ways of calming the conflict. ah,
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this is al jazeera, these are the top stories more than 25000 people have died after 2 powerful earthquakes hit to kia and syria on monday. search and rescue efforts continue. the turkish president has been touring the destroyed areas and he's promised to rebuild the cities. a 4 year old girls been pulled alive from the collaged building after more than a 130 hours and got them to have in took here. earlier rescue team saved a family of 5 after a 129 hours since the disaster. syrians are digging gravesites to berry victims of monday's earthquakes, nearly 4500 people have been killed. many, a waiting for news of family members were still buried under collapse buildings. some is a downs, got more from not agi and took here. it's an emotional rollercoaster here, but beyond that, there's the physical survival as well with you and warning that 900000 people into to kia and in syria are in need of hot meals. i've been surviving on snacks and
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whatever they can gather, but at some point they need some help meals will. earlier we saw a carpool on him. we started to see some hot meals being delivered, government agencies. we must point out all here the rescuer because obviously what we've had ambulance is here. we've had the funeral services here. they're doing what they can protest. continuing in france against proposals to increase the retirement age. thousands of people have taken to the streets in paris after almost a week of nationwide strike action, president knuckles pension reform plans in to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64. in democratic republic of congo fighting has been going on near the eastern time of saki, some 20 kilometers west of the regional capital goma. it becomes a day after m. 23 fighters inched closer to saki, prompting thousands to free their homes. un nuclear watchdog chief raphael grossey is in moscow. these been holding talks with the head of russia state nuclear farm. awesome. they discussed the situation at ukraine's operation nuclear power plant,
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repeated shelling of the plant, which is now controlled by russia as raised concerns about a nuclear accident. there was a headlines coming up next and al jazeera. it's up front to buffalo. we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world said no matter what you see out, it will bring you the news and current affairs that matter. to you al jazeera when the taliban retook control of ghana, stan a year and a half ago afghans and many in the international community feared that it would mean a return to the restrictive way that the past for women and girls in the country. despite initial assurances from the taliban, women have now been borrowed from schools and universities. employment is restricted, and that was their right to access the public basis. so what future is there for the women of afghanistan that's coming up, but 1st, january $26.00 was one of the deadliest days for palestinians and the occupied
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westbank year. israeli forces rated a refugee camp in the city of jeanine, killing at least 9 people. the next day, a palestinian killed 7 israel near synagogue and he's jerusalem. this comes just weeks after a new hard line is really government was warning with benjamin netanyahu, where the helm and with the far right figures occupied key cabinet position. so what will this mean for palestinian that conversation next on this week, the going to be on upfront are deanna blue to ramallah based lawyer and former legal advisor to the palestine liberation organization. an advocate she is a human rights attorney and associate professor at rutgers university. her latest book is titled justice for some law and the question of palestine. thank you both for joining me on upfront and i'm going to start with you. 2022 was the deadliest year for palestinians in the occupied west bank in nearly 2 decades. and now with
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the latest round of violence this year is on track to surpass that january 26 or one of the highest daily deck told in years when israeli forces rated a refugee camp in jeanine killing. at least 9 people are the following day. a 21 year old palestinian killed 7 israelis near the synagogue in east jerusalem. you're on the ground in ramallah. what do you think is driving the latest wave of violence? because they can, it's been years of the united states and other countries around the world cobbling israel, telling israel that it can do whatever on that there are no guidelines and inside israeli society itself, if you said it's okay for them to be able to kill palestinian this is why we see not only the death toll rising, but we see the daily aggression against palestinians. these are numbers that are never reported. people are who are dying because of medical lack of medical
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treatment. people whose homes are being demolished, who's land is being taken. this is part of the daily violence that palestinians live under because of israel. and it's because israel can and because there is nobody who is effectively stopping every other thing to israel, that there are red lines. so this is why we see what we see. and i wouldn't be surprised if we surpassed that 2020 to figure very soon because of the fact that this is not only given they've been given the green light. but this is now also a brightening government that has also put palestinians literally in their cross here. i'm glad you mentioned this right wing government. nota benjamin netanyahu has returned as prime minister, even though he left off is facing a corruption scandal. and in fact, even today, he's still facing corruption charges. it would seem like netanyahu had a strategy of forging strategic alliances with the far, i mean,
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far right in order to come back into power. but since a new government took office in december, these really public has opposed many of his policies, such as the recent move to weaken the country supreme court and abroad. several of israel's closest allies have expressed concerns about the recent moves by far right figures appointed to the highest level positions in israeli government was a strategic on the part of nathan yahoo to empower the extreme right to regain its position. i think as goes with most politicians, the idea of self preservation, even if it means scorched earth for everyone else. i think what should be we should be most concerned about is that way that the international community is responding to netanyahu in a way that has rehabilitated him. in contrast to the moment where he was viewed very clearly as being an alignment with a suppressed racially supremacist movement and a neo liberal order and alignment with the trump administration. at which point we
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plainly understood him to be back. now what i also want to point out is as with many things concerning us committees, policy and israel, that there is much continuity as there is rupture in this situation. what we see in terms of the rise of the far right. and what is the most fascist government that is really has seen is not necessarily new because of the palestinians and eliminate tory policy regarding them. a very violent policy that marks them for removal in order to settle jewish zionists in their place. but in this case, what the israeli government has done in this iteration is to combine and marry religious religiosity to this fascist regime. and that is what most israelis are objecting to. and that is the pathway that when you're attach religiosity to explain that for you, and what you me sure, so historically, this fascist edge of zionism which has targeted palestinians for removal in order
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to establish uncontested diamond settlers sovereignty was secular in nature so that it was nationalized judaism, directly or legally, but you can be a jewish national, distinct from being an railey citizen. in this situation, the far right government want to establish a more robust chrissy that targets the l. g. b t q. community that wants to expand. it's holding a palestinians land within the link which of religion that wants to emulate right? the story, jewish biblical stories of the annihilation of, of palestinians in order to manifest that. and so the protest that we see amongst israelis is less to do with the concern for palestinians or how this is the height of crisis, but more of an internal concern of what this looks like for them. and i think that the escalation against means is another political maneuver that is used to deflect attention away from what is the domestic turmoil in order to focus on this
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constructed threat of the palestinian natania who appointed it might have been viewed as minister of national security now this is a guy who was convicted of inciting racism and for supporting an anti arab movement, outlawed as a terrorist organization. and last election, the religious zionism block, which compet has been given as are you who did or jewish power party, a made significant gains. they won 14 seats in the connecticut. what does it say about where the netanyahu government is, when it's taking in extremis leader of a fringe party and putting them in a key cabinet position? well, it's not just a mark there, it's also all of the individuals who are in that political party. actually there's a couple of 3 parties that came together. another individual, the man named ma trish motor, which is the, the minister of finance. he, the person who has very proudly in his worth, you called himself
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a fashion tom hope again, these are his words, not mine. and this is an individual who himself has been at the forefront of tried to push for the demolition of palestinian homes in the wholesale ethnic cleansing of some palestinian towns in the west bank. and so you have him combined with is mar bennett or who himself again, who says that he is the follower of mine who was at one point in time dressed up as group goldstein who's a mass murderer, a man who killed 20 and i've helped indians as they were praying at the mosque in hebron. he dressed up at him for poorer and said that he was dressing up at him because he is his hero. wow. so it's the. exactly. so that's the question. why would netanyahu go into government with these people? and it's because because nothing, yeah, with no difference. and i think we make a big mistake if we somehow just say that it's,
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these 3 individuals are that one political party that has been pushing for the ethnic cleansing of palestinians. well, what we know is that this has been israel policy since 948, and even before that. and it's just a question of whether they're more upfront about it or less up front about it and during the election campaign, then we're used to walk around and said and say we need to show palestinian who is the master of the house. and so this is where israelis are, people who voted for him. they either voted for him because they support his message or they voted for him because they wilfully ignore this message. in either case, the result for palestinians is gently nor does the new israeli government or the shift from one party to another, have any practical bearing on the lives of palestinian people. i'm thinking about something that anna said, what you said there is no left wing in israel. 1 and there hasn't been for a while. um if its lecount in charge of is the labor party in charge or if it's the
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minutes party, which is which is the self describes leftist do any of those formations change the facts on the ground for palestinians. i think it's right to ask that question because again, the international community is responding to this bar, right? government because of the crisis that it poses for israel and it's emerging and consolidating itself as a theocracy and therefore it's threatening a democracy. but there is no democracy when it defines itself as a jewish state, it cannot be a democracy when palestinian and citizens of the state are treated as the pillar. when all the palestinians in the west bank and gaza are denied. the right to vote is not a democracy under any situation for palestinians. and under all iterations, they are targeted for removal. they are killed with ease. they are already, they are racialized is always already a threat, a security threat. they are regarded as terrorists and can be killed and assume
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guilty until proven innocent, and the fact that they can be killed with this greater ease. and we've taken zionism to its most extreme logic and still seeing that the media discourse has not changed. and still seeing that the international community has not responded with sanctions on israel, but instead there have been rewards. there's a clear irony here that rather than be punished, they are somehow being rewarded and coddled, which is an extreme moment for palestinians to realize. well, at what point, how much money must they suffer in order to signal a clear shift in the international community? and as this extreme government demonstrates that line is not apparent and is not clear in the price that palestinians will pay, will continue to be far too high in moral and clearly illegal. deonna given everything that we've discussed, everything the palestinians are facing with the new government,
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with the threats of violence, with everything going on in the global community. what do you think is the next chapter for palestinians, and do you have hope? oh, it's hard to have hope and i'm a person who always does and the reason it's hard for me to have hope is because as much as i am hopeful and proud and happy that i see the boycott movement taking off and people really understanding what israel doing at the same time i live a different reality reality in which at any moment i, my family, my friends can be killed. i think back to last year of may of 2022 during not just during the year, but during, during may when a friend of mine, a journalist should be an option with kill. she was going
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down and her yes. has probably been the most investigated death i've ever seen. and yet here we are. we're coming up close on the one year anniversary of shane's murder. and nobody has been helped to account. so while i am hopeful and i, i really am happy all of the work that people are doing around the low to push to hold israel to account at the same time and very acutely aware that the pressure that's being exerted on israel is not strong enough. and change is not happening quickly enough and it's that fear that you live in both the fear that at any point in time, you can be killed or injured or whatever it is. but also the fear that it's going to be lasting for generations to comb. that leave me with a sense that we're army,
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where are we, how has this in allowed to fester for so long? why that is really use are going even shifting even further to the right. whereas if you look globally, they're shifting to the left, their progressive values. why is this the case? and i firmly believe it's because of the fact that israel has been allowed to get away with literally murder in a blue to no data cap. thank you so much for joining me on up front. the when the taliban reached control of ghana, stan, in august of 2021. they sought to reassure afghans in the international community that the rights of women and girls would be respected and that they would remain active members of afghan society. neither a year and a half later, however, the situation for women in the country is dire. the taliban have effectively barred women and girls from secondary schools and universities. they receive to their employment and they've even altogether band their presence in many public spaces.
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so what does this mean for the future of afghanistan? and is there any hope, insight for african women? wanted me to help answer that question is i bel, arises former african ambassador to the united states and current director of princeton university, the afghan stan policy, lab, adela, thank you so much for joining us on upfront. you're currently in communication with women in the country. can you talk to a little bit about what life is like for african women at the moment? thank you for raising this really important and critical question for women off going to sun for all those who lived inside the country. and as you said, and the dire situation, it truly is, it's dark, it's gray, it's difficult. it's almost everybody is trying to grasp to something that gives them hope. and that hope is getting eliminated on a daily basis. and imagine a society with, for woman education was the window of opportunity growth,
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space, freedom, prosperity. and that window is shut at this moment. and i want to put myself in the shoes over those women and those young girls switch for me personally. it wasn't too long ago in my life 25 years ago when i was forced, when i was enough going to son and one for the 1st time came to power. i was among one of those woman and those youngers where my window of hope was shut. and i couldn't think of a brighter day, and i wanted to when you say it was shut, you mean we do that access to public space to school? yes, exactly, exactly. there was no space for woman as public that we could go. we have to be always whenever we were outside, we had to have one or 4 main family member. and i come from a family when i have 3 younger brothers. so that was pretty hard. and i also come from a family where education twiggy matter like to many of the families and growing up
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one morning waking up when your school foreclosed and you're told to stay at home. i just simply couldn't process it. and i always tell people the story that there's a muslim a we have a prayer of times when we wake up in the middle of the night and we pray and refit death. that's when your prayers will be accepted the most. and i remember myself waking up quite a few nights and praying and asking for medical for the schools to open up. right now we're seeing a very similar situation. right? taliban is effectively bad girls and women from attending secondary school also from attending university. yeah. that you are in conversation with people on the ground there. yeah, yeah. from most of the work that we're doing on some policy lab, an important element for workers to be engaged with people who are inside the country with woman inside the country. because i always say, regardless of how much we try to make sure that we could reflect what life for them
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is, but it's extremely important to have their true voice. and through those conversations, whenever we have had with a woman in the country. as i mentioned earlier, the element of hope is dying. it's for especially for those women who are the bread winner for their households. when they are asked not to go to work anymore. for those young girls with, as i said, school was with they could see freedom in future and it's not there anymore for those young girls who are going to the university and, and they just were in last year of their university as and just getting in touch with them and hearing their stories that they don't know when next time they can go back to the university. that's painful. how much of that dissipating hope is connected to the fact that there was a promise that women would have accident, that it wouldn't be my one. and now it's shifted very quickly. is that
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a big part of this is well the kind of pivot it have it is, but frankly speaking with a lot of africans even then if you would have spoken, especially with woman, i think there was a very element. there was the that it was an element of pragmatism and realism because we had not forgotten a when for the 1st time, telephone, war and power. they have been to schools and women from public spaces and working on site. so there was somehow that element of nightmare, everybody was waiting, it will arrive and, and they will go in that direction. it was just a matter of time. i think there was that element of hope still hoping that maybe they won't, but they did that. so it's now expecting that they may ever change their mind a thing that probably may not happen because just from the sake of who
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they are and how, what the believe and what they have been saying. even we, even initially when they talked about girls school, if we look at every formal statement of the time that came out, not individual positions that some of the members had expressed. but the formal statements as, as a, as a, as a group that was released all the time in each single statement. their language was the same, it had not changed. they said they will allow girls to go to school based on lama. showy and even now when they have been to school, they have not said that woman are not allowed to go to school. they say a woman or not. cannot go to school for the time being until they prepare the right space for them. and we know as of the pretext, the safety yes i or security, not really. i think for them when you go with the level of deeper conversation they, they assume to create
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a more islamic environment for them at school. and which for us, as we know, that's a way for them to say, no, we're not going to open up schools because they did the exact same thing. 25 years ago. they used the same language that they are using today. one of the things we're seeing now is resistance. we see women taking to the streets in protest. we see men, even with the male students who are walking out of their final exams at university mean. either sort of extra development is assign, the things won't go back to the 90s or things we're moving in a different direction or at least people will stand for it. look, that's exactly for many of us hope s it is the people of kind of, it is the society, the society that believes in and prosperity and education and wisdom and knowledge . and that comes both from man and woman, especially the last 20 years. the level of investment, the level of education that had change and i've gone on the growth that has
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happened. it's if people are there, people have not left. if they still live in, i've gone on and even know a lot of families are trying to find ways. we had a conversation last night with my brothers and, and it was exactly on the education area. that's how each single family inside the country are still trying and knocking every single door to find a way for their daughters to go and study. and that comes to the brothers as well. and that was a sign, as you saw, always university students and jayla bought and come to heart in cobble as well when they walked away. when the regime says that woman cannot take or cannot come to take, the examine cannot come to the classroom. that was the way of revolt. and today's woman's demonstration on the street too. i always say that it requires courage. that requires bravery. that requires ability and strength to be
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able to come and say no to, to an authority that doesn't believe and in education of woman and woman are not giving up. the society is not giving up before you go, you know, when you think about what the next year or 2 will look like, what's your forecast with people that can stay? ah, look the forecast, especially if we start with the top line. i don't think so. we should expect any that they may change their mind and start to make the right decision. ah, there is no prediction. there's no even a statistic probability that why we should even put our thinking in that direction than the oil change. they're thinking. so it's almost like buckle up and prepare for the worse and in terms of the over all environment. um it's, it's hard,
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it's very difficult. i think there are days i said back and i'm trying to find an element of hope for myself to move forward. and it's very, very difficult, but then i look into very small stories, the stories of individuals who are inside the country, and i know some of them when some of them are my own cousin who run homeschooled right now. young girls of chemo, to run home schools, and teach their on neighborhood kids at youngers. and to me say, look, that element of resistance within afghans is still there. and we will continue to have that resistance. and in order to make life awe bearable, an accept island feasible in a way, thus the that's that utilize what we have in front of us. but i think my takeaway is, it's almost buckling up for difficulties both. we should not
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on disengage with african people. i have to be very clear, i think engaging with taliban is a different argument and i'm very is generally the people people that leaks are de larosa. thanks so much for joining us. pleasure. thank everyone. that is our show up. fact we'll be back. ah ah a
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