tv The Bottom Line Al Jazeera February 12, 2023 4:00am-4:30am AST
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me a so between can and must or the assistant coach. we are the only ice okey team in east and central africa b as b. i francois guessing pretty well. he had managed to play in some international games. then when coffee came in, the ice rink was closed. and it's the only i think in the country. the usaa is always of interest to people. all right, the world people pay attention to what was on here. and i'll just, he was very good at bringing the news to the world from here. ah, hello, i'm darren, jordan and dough. with a quick reminder, the top stories here and al jazeera, the earthquake death toll across turkey, and serious continues to climb more than 29000 american from dead. but only 6 days on the survivors are still being pulled from the rubble. what happened here?
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on monday, ma'am, at the epicenter of the earthquake, was the worst event in a 100 years. in this region, we have a clear plan to morrow the next day to give an appeal for a 3 month operation to help the people to talk with humanitarian assistance. and we will do some similar one for the people to sorry, it took his present and rep typo and said steps will be taken to rebuild broken cities within weeks. he's denied accusations that building codes are not properly enforced. bernard smith is a non tucker with more. one of the, the challenges for the government is he wants to move people away from these areas because it needs to stop this disaster turning into a public health catastrophe. the air is thick with smoke and dust. there's no sanitation. people are still buried under the rubble and people are sleeping out in the open so they need to provide the 10s. there are some sense here on the
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outskirts of antique with other bodies. they are beginning to arrive, but the still aren't enough yet. but the government needs to get people out of this area in these areas so that they can, can start trying to rebuild and trying to clear the doublet debris, but also so they can maintain a public health. we'll aid is now trickling into rebel hel, parts of northern syria. rescue efforts were being hampered in the water region with many sang, they felt abandon another unidentified object has been shot down of a north american aerospace, this time of a canada. the country's prime minister just intruder says the object violated its airspace. canadian and american forces were tracking the object before a u. s. f 20 to shut it down over the yukon. comes a day after another object was shot down of alaska in the u. s. and a week after chinese balloon was bound off the coast of north carolina. the object was flying at an altitude of approximately 40000 feet,
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had unlawfully entered canadian air space and posed a reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight. the object was down approximately 100 miles from the canada, united states border over canadian territory. in central yukon, it appears to be a small cylindrical object and smaller than the one that was down off the coast of north carolina. and the legal is rarely settler shot dead at 27 year old palestinian man in the occupied west bank. it happened during confrontations between palestinians and a number of israelis living in illegal settlements west of the town of south it. a group of around 50 settlers reportedly attacked farmers and locals in the area. there been more protests in france against proposals to increase the retirement age . thousands of people took to the streets of paris, often to be a week of nationwide strikes. resident emanuel michaels patient reforms are set to
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raise the retirement age from 62 to 64. the chief of the u. s. nuclear watchdog has visited moscow for talks with the head of russia state nuclear, from ross tom, ukraine's upper region nuclear power plant top, the agenda that you in. in ross tom agreed to continue work on creating a safety zone. shelling of the plan, which is now controlled by russia, has raised fears of a nuclear accident. protest as of thrown smoke grenades of a government building in albania, as capitol hill. thousands gathered in toronto on saturday, calling for the resignation of the prime minister. accuse iraq of corruption and blame him the rising cost of living in eastern democratic republic of congo, there's been fighting between the army and m. 23 fighters near the town of sack a some 20 kilometers west of the regional capital goma. it comes a day after m $23.00 fight, as advanced, closer to saki, prompting thousands to flee their homes. east african leaders have called for an
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immediate cease fire. well, those were the headlines that he's continues here now to 0 after the bottom line statement. thanks for watching bye for now. i hi mc clements and i have a couple of questions. how aligned or the united states in france on the war in ukraine and how aligned are they on everything else? let's get to the bottom line. ah, frances, always argue that europe should be able to have its own unique foreign policies, even if they don't line up 100 percent, with those of europe's biggest allies, the united states, at the start of the ukraine war, about a year ago, french president emanuel macros said the west must be careful not to humiliate
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russia and emphasize frances ability to act as a mediator when the time comes for negotiations as macro and is also pushed the concept of european strategic autonomy and a new concept called the european political community that brings together 27, you leaders with 17 other leaders from the continent currently outside the club, including the u. k. turkey, norway, and ukraine. despite this biden gave us 1st a dinner last year, celebrating the french president and elevated the alliance to one of the most vital and compelling america has. so how closely our america and france aligned? where did the 2 countries agree? and where did they agree to disagree? today were talking with veteran french diplomat, felipe s e n, the ambassador of france to the united states. and before that chief diplomatic adviser to the president of france, ambassador at the end, thank you so much for joining us here today. you're right on the edge of leaving your post and going off to be a professor at columbia to think great thoughts and perhaps right, great books. but i'm interested in getting your strategic map as you look not just
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at the french american relationship, but the world about what you think we're not getting right. what do we as allies need to focus on? what, what, what worries do you have out there that are unaddressed right now? indeed, i think we, the worry in ukraine's is aggression by russia against ukraine. is some, something, it's very bad news it's. it's also very, very big news. it's war back to europe. so many years after world war 2 and my experience is that in february when it started and even before it started before it started because you knew it could come. we have had and we have had since then all the time. a very close called edition between the united states and its european allies,
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including the european union as such is so important as you said, for us, but also for the other members of the do. and this is a reassuring, in a very dire situation. and it says a lot about the depth of our alliance when we have to face such critical situation at that time, in february, last year, france was the chair of the council of the european union. so we had to great, we had a big responsibility both in terms of uniting the member states of the to 27 member states of the you. but also in this relation with the united states. again, we have nothing to, to be had to you about what happened, what's happening now, considering the suffering. so the training people and which means this war against
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all principles of international security committed. and this being committed by one of his 5 permanent members of the security council view and it means so, so much for our international order. but see, we have this through assuring factor that our alliance is strong and as put strong . of course this has been confirmed during the state visit made by our president to washington and new orleans to the united states. and it was president biden's 1st state dinner exec i was, they said the 1st said visit and the mandate of the said ministration were very or not. but as you said, it meant probably something about the depth, the of this, the oldest alliance. but also about what it is today about how strong instruments and how important it tweeter women in the future for addressing the other
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challenges we may speak about. now, are you worried though, and i don't know if i'm going to get this out right? but are you worried that there were many people that doubted the solvency of nato before this russian incursion into ukraine? even president macros before came out and talked about nato being brain dead, that people were not looking at how to make the relation that it required this shock of the russian invasion, so that the transit atlantic relationship could be re unified. you know, are you worried that we're too dependent on other things to happen so that the alliance can react strongly. but when that, when that bad event doesn't happen, we were drifting apart. when 1st such an alliance which isn't there and so on, security has been built to ensure the security of its members in the trans atlantic community and to face such events to, to, to be able to answer. and you mentioned the statement made by the french,
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our president president my call a couple of years ago. but the context was very different. it was another us administration, as you remember. and you remember what the president of the, the then president ring president from the term. yeah. and you, you remember some of the statements about metro. so, but also we had another issue which to such an extent remains and we have this terrible ass quick right now which hits the populations in turkey and syria. we must also remember that at that time we had really difficult discussions about the attitude we should have in syria. was one of our allies, turkey, that case. and this, this was, and this is still sensitive for us because the terrorist attacks against paris in
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2015 and we plotted from north east syria, as you may remember, you know, november 2050. so this was a contact center that even under the trump administration. and still more after the new administration, there was a big work which has been done at nato, including on, on the conception of what we are for, including re affirming that we're here to ensure our come and security against in europe in budget for in the atlantic region, and this was, has been of course, very useful when russia has invented ukraine. and one of the things we had done, which is, which was really important, as nato was to reinforce our it's what we call our instant flag. friends has sent troops and equipments to romania, for instance, right?
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because those countries are on the front line is a message. so and the 2nd thing which has been important the issue as such is now a provider of security. also because security, the notion of security is much larger. it is not on the defensive. cyber. it is energy, it is critical technologies and the he, you has now become a real actor. look, look at this is a really interesting question. as you define security and threats and one of my pet peeves as we now define february 24th as the start of ukraine war president biden. his announce he's going to go to poland on that day and be in poland on the day of the war began. but actually in my book, the war began on february 23rd because that's when the cyber attacked from russia actually began against ukraine. lots of defensive measures, that story turned out to be a rather good one for ukraine. but when we think about tanks and we think about cyber sabotaged, we don't treat them the same way. so i guess my question was twofold, is one,
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do we need to think differently about what we think drives conflict? do we need to move in and look at these tech interest? the other thing is the presence going to poland is the center of gravity in europe, shifting from the western european countries to some of the eastern european edge of europe. first, the ukrainians say rightly that the world didn't start on february 24. on february 23 a, but i mean a couple of years before. exactly. and we know we know this also because france and germany at that time were involved and try to, to, to stop this 1st war, but also to meet it. and we know then what happened and how the russian leadership has decided to, to go to another still more brutal world of invasion. but indeed, yes, cyber and all other dimensions. energy is weaponized in a way and can be,
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could be used as, as an element of pressure. we see a lot of different elements coming in to define a new security, which is security today. and we have to of course, to, to have as integrate as consistent vision of all those challenges to our security. this thing the, the idea of security as evolved because we have know who have new spaces of conflict trilogy. cyberspace is one of those, the men we have also space, right there are heads, which is becoming anyway, space and which is becoming more and more both an incredible perspective for our future was the relaunch of the space adventure on the moon and, and then and mouth but also more and more so an issue for come in security and look
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at, look at the seas. the ocean's also, it's more and more as we see in the pacific atlantic it, it becomes again, a real issue of sovereignty of security. so we have to take all of this into account and we have in nature we have adapted as in the you, as united states, we have a new concept with no new strategy of security. and how about the role of eastern europe right now is rising. when we the older members of the you are the founding members of the european union. we have seen those countries liberated from dictatorship for the communities. them. we have of course reached out to them because they are, they have always been important countries for europe, poland, romania, where i was investor, i was a visitor, newcrest, you know, those countries checked republics. love actually, hungary,
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the baltic republics. all of them. also bulgaria were menu, all those countries matter for europe, you know, i have, i'm a passionate about european integration as you might know, safe because i met last times during my time in washington. every country matters in the u. a for me, it is not really interesting to say is this country nor in bought of now or has been they have always been important. those the re unification of europe with poland, his romania resume. others was such an essential development of your opinion. and so of course, they are important maybe still more important now with a new job political context, but they are important. anyway, when you were the president's president biden's state of the union address recently, and it struck me that president biden did spend a lot of time talking about how vital the,
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the global struggle for democracy is. and i look at some parts of eastern europe and, you know, the countries, you know, hungary, you've seen some other countries that you have to be honest. democracy in democratic practice. enormous were to be kind wobbly. and may be again, the russian invasion ukraine is actually help the democrats out somewhat in some of these countries. but when it comes to values in democratic practice, do you have problems inside europe that maybe russia is trying to exacerbate you, or they're blind spot there. that, that we should china light on. i think democracy is by far the best system for freedoms. but we know it is not an easy system. it's fragile and you know, it's also in the united states. so at the age of social media, for instance, we have to defend our democracies. we have to defend the values which are
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defining our democracy, such as the freedom of speech, but also the defense of the security of our people. all of this is really a find find balance to find, but also in a deputation to convince our people that the democracy is well alive. we are doing this in the you because the you, with all its members fits, is based on the idea of democracy. the european union, european integration from the very beginning at the beginning of the 1950s, has been a political union not only and economists union and at the base of this political union, there are the notions of democracy and freedoms. so of course, we have to have the conversation inside our community, but to come back to the war in ukraine. this is a war for the freedom of our peoples. and we must be aware not to limit this to the west or to the united states or to european nations and the united states. it's
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about the freedom of the people, the possibilities for every nation to resist, to an invasion, to keep its freedom. what did ukrainians are fighting for is so important 1st, and it is not only a question of western democracies, it is a matter for everybody around the world. every nation which wants to keep that freedom, its national freedom, but also the personal freedom of its citizens. how worried are you about the fragility in the transit atlantic economic relationship? recently we've had the french finance minister granola mer in washington, d. c. and the german economics minister and vice chancellor. richard, hey, back here. basically, lobbying the government to keep open the inflation reduction act the want to get into that folks. but it's basically america's green, new deal, you know, softly deployed to look at all energy development and making sure that you're
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a piece. but there's an element of nationalism in it. domestic procurement requirements and, and some in europe are saying, hey, we need to do the same thing over that. we need to subsidize our own re, new industries in europe. and i was listening to bruno lemaire and others talk about a race to subsidies and it could be negative for both sides. do you worry about that? is there a facility there that we should be thinking about? we have this conversation twice together with the war in ukraine. each was one of the main topics of the political discussion during the step visit of prison on back home with the prison biden. and also is the members of the congress match. we fundamentally agree with the political goals of the inflation reduction act we in europe, which is to fight for our climate for the climate, which is when one of the most important challenges we will face. but also to build both in europe and in the united states. strong, strong, green industries,
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strong green technologies, which make us and our supply chains more resilient. the issue is to coordinate, as our minister said, you recall if you warned against risk subsidies, the cognition is important to avoid this. and also because since we share the same political goals, we should be sure that each of our policy, our political instruments are sa, bolts, our subsidies are reinforcing on come and goals are to goals supplies risen in supply chains and technologies and efficient fight against the climate so it's true that the europeans are worried. i've expressed some worries about some parts of the some provisions of the i, but we have this conversation and we have reached already some results. and
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we will do the same in if you indeed we, we have started, of course we were started before the us. we were in the, you have a sort of leadership in the world for the negotiation on climate. but we have because we are very ambitious goals, minus 55 percent of carbon emissions by 2030. it's a very ambitious goal. so we have started disclaiming police in the u. but now we will step them up a bit like the us and we have to coordinate and to avoid between our economies, negative effects, but in, in the country to ensure that each of our policy is reinforcing our common outcome and goals that shipment of our common goals, let me ask you a question here that i, that i hope we can get a candid answer on. and i know that many minutes i always can the us government officials right now, karen, dawn fried, but many others celebrate us. diplomat. extraordinary,
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i'm but i'm interested in how really, how often you find america completely us gets a frantic partner. like sometimes we're on and on the right message. sometimes we're off and i ask this with regards to strategic autonomy, which fascinates me because this is one of macros, important initiatives in and, and from my perspective as an american, i think that france and europe overall being more capable about its own interest, more thoughtful about its own interest, more cont, committed to stability. there is a great global good in something the united states should want. but sometimes i think united states says we want strategic autonomy too. but we want you to do what we want you to do. and so how much tension is there in the strategic economy game? what 1st, what you, which use describe is pretty natural, isn't it? i mean, very natural, it's all the europeans to do the things. and also i was always surprised when we speak about sovereignty or autonomy. it's normal that the europeans are willing to
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decide for their own interests and for their own future. that the question of sovereignty is, is an important one in the world. and it is not at all related against us. on the contrary, we in the world all directors, big challenges which make that it is both more, sometimes delicate, and also more important to defend our own sovereignty. and i, i've always been country convinced and even passionate with it, that it's really important for the united states in the long term. but also in the short term by the which we have a stronger european union. which, you know, for instance, where the u. s. can rely on its europe in allies to do certain things on their own . it's obviously in the interest of the us both in the security field, but also for the economy and to have a, as we said before, to have a stronger,
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a strong industrial technological base on the 2 sides of the atlantic. including for our own defense. it's important you look at what happens in ukraine, we have to provide the ukrainians with some equipments. we'd like to have the industrial base for doing that. let me ask, you know, we all have a big conflict with russia right now with what's going on ukraine. but when emmanuel manuel macro calls and putting picks up the phone, we have a lot of tensions with china right now. when macro calls he's in pinky jim picks up, the phone is france, america's negotiator, is it the diplomatic offshore balancer? i am sure that the america is a book jamika sit and also the u. s. government speaks with china, for instance. even if we had the recently some, some issues there. we do not pretend to be the only ones who speak with
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everybody. but you know, one of the basic recipes of the diplomacy, diplomatic work is you have to talk to the people with whom you disagree. because if you only talk to the people who is whom you agree, it is not really useful. so yes, we think also as one of the 5 permanent members of the security council of junior nations that we have this responsibility. and this responsibility is global, and including in the context of the war in ukraine. it's really important that we keep a contact with deep into contact with. ok. so as a developing countries emerging countries, you spoke about russia, china, you're right. but look at all the other important are what members of the international community are the all the other g 20 members? it's so important boss to discuss the war in ukraine, which is a threat to everybody in the world as i said,
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but also the global challenges. poverty remains a challenge that also helps global health. we have seen with coating climate, biodiversity right? it is important to speak to everybody and we, it's a bit d, n a of our diplomacy, and our president is very active indeed on this international well and pastor, flea petty and thanks for joining us today. and good luck on your next venture. thanks. you're safe. so what's the bottom line? friendship and trust between leaders and countries can go very far. but the only real thing that is dependable between nations is permanent interests. france has been america's ally from day one. in part is france did believe in the idea of e galati and liberty, but perhaps more because it was an expedient course to take. his france was gripped in a global struggle 250 years ago. with england, there may have been hiccups along the way, but paris in washington are on the same side in so many global conflicts. macaroni efforts to push back here and there,
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and work on european strategic autonomy is not really seen as a threat by the united states, which doesn't have the resources or the same world view as europe on some strategic issues. america is not always paying attention. sometimes it once you're up to have strategic autonomy and let's face it. sometimes it just wants to take orders and do what america wants it to do. washington could be a bits, gets a frantic and bipolar. but that's the nature of a lot of relationships. sort of like a long term marriage that still works and that's the bottom line. ah, latin america is a region of wonder i'm joy tragedy and yes of violet. but it doesn't matter where you are. you have to be able to relate to the human condition with no country is a life, and it's my job to shed light on how and why
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