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hello and welcome to the stream. i much have a dean today, domestic violence in the rock, the so called honor killing of 22 year old, you to blogger at thy bally who was strangled by her own father as renewed calls for iraq to adopt laws recognizing gender based violence. we'll talk more about her case in today's show and ask what's stopping iraq from criminalizing domestic violence. just a warning to our audience that today's conversation will involve descriptions of violence against women. ah, joining us from baghdad, marcin as somebody a non resident fellow with the brookings institution, also in baghdad. and not ado our co founder of the iraqi alabama association and the iraqi women's network. and in london way them a stuff us. she is a british kurdish political activists based in the u. k. welcome to all, marcia. i want to start by asking you personally if there was anything that

surprised you when you 1st heard about ibis story, how did you feel? sadly, unsurprised by it because the context of iraq and the unit of nature of tribal society is something that continues to inflict violence on women throughout iraq's contemporary history. so of course i was sad and shocked anger, but not surprised. and i think that really is the root of the problem that we continue to expect this kind of violence against women in iraq and hang out when you hear that answer. i'm curious, given your decades of work on this issue inside iraq. was there anything that stood out to you about his situation, particularly the fact that she had previously, as you know, you know, been escape or escaped feeling very sad that she's very young. 2022 years old, only on feeling always that she is you know,

send and she could really live in a peaceful way. and she has to choose her partner every human being that has the car been for about entitled for that. and i just want to ask you, i mean, what stood out to you about this case. i can't imagine you were surprised. but was there something particular that that shocked you about the way it was handled or, or not? i think the most troubling aspects of this particular case is bad, the least failures and the 5 following heads that they haven't been any arrests. so any change in the way women who report semester violence, there's no change in direction. there's no change in tons of politicians coming forward and saying that to me we need to do much more. and in particular mail politicians, because this is a fight, the women alone can succeed in something that they need. so many women to jointly

work together to change the way to change the fact that you've all continues to descend in terms of treat women. and i just wanted to point out something. so you've all, he cut fun region, half pass legislation to criminalize domestic violence both in terms of sexual, physical or psychological violence against a new kind of fun region and very much part of the country that has made some strides in terms of attempting to reduce violence against them and putting in place regulation to ensure you know that there's some sort of legislation for me to say actually this is my right was violated. this is, this piece of legislation protects me, but even so, even in kind of southern region, we still see very high numbers women killed. right. and i think that indicates that perhaps it's a cultural issue as much as it's a political issue. marcin, i thought you wanted to jump and go ahead. yes,

so i was going to add on related point about not having male allies and not having male politicians or policy makers invested in working on this. and the kind of the lack of response on both the legal front and the parliamentary front. and i wanted to add that what's even more astonishing. and this is the fact that there's very few female allies politically for iraq, you women. and that despite the apparent quantitative success, the iraqi women have in parliament with a 25 percent quota being surpassed. actually in the last election, there's only a handful of women in parliament and even a handful as a generous term that actually advocate for women's rights. and what truly saddened me that i am almost certain that this death is going to be for god. and when it comes to legislation in, you know, in a few months and nothing will come of it and more rocky women will be killed and nothing will come of that because the kind of legislative 4th we need to see this through is still missing in iraq. right now,

and then i'm glad you brought that up hannah, i want to ask you after go ahead. did you want to say something out? yes, i would like to mention that really big list of names of victims like like what happened to people there? are there are so many of these like my now because you do like cars is like i'll move so we like model will play the like, how will this is that the 2 sisters like you don't know, then she married i was all these they are being killed on their way to being either being exempt from the for the excuse me to get mitigation punishment or they have been already in the unity one of them. this is our problem, not to think about these lives is being really got, you know, without any punishment. this is, it is horrible. and always we say that iraqi women, there is no safety for iraqi women. and this is due to the marginalization to the

always a marginalization of the rule of law in the country. this is the main issue for and i appreciate your passion and i appreciate you both bringing up politics as well as the legislative lack of mobilization. if you will, we have also in the iraqi advocate for women's rights and fire lab. who said this after the protests on february 5th, take a listen longer. what not? because we don't only have the case of cuba. there are many hundreds doesn't like cuba who are killed in the name of honor and shame washing. there are many cases that are not publicized, enter, disclose as cases of suicide when they are in fact killings in the name of honor without any investigation. without any proof, we are not only here for today, but for the 100 dozens of women who are killed just like it is about the law and not about people. personally. i do said,

echoing the fact that this is too many names, too many people, too many lives lost in effect that i want to ask you on the back of that and not if i were any rocky woman, if you will. what are my options? what am i tangible options in terms of protecting myself? you know, this is the way it does. we are trying to raise this for the issue for the. so show you, this is, it means that we have to mobilize, you know, many different people, different the router beginning go from the rule of law, enforcement of law does to the spreadsheet and to the family itself. you know, because even the young people they are, they have raised this issue, who is the next? and if the family doesn't understand that to do save their girls or their daughters or their why, this is to me the way for women to live in a peaceful wait or 2 to be a future. this is, is very essential things that to be understanding from the family to make mobilized

society again, this grimes, this is who gets, and i think that this we, we got some of that much better now. sure. initially, when you think about domestic violence, lawyers and i saw him are seeing this is not becoming an issue. my see. and i saw that you want to jump in there. i just wanted to add to noah's saying about the about society in europe in general. and building what does about the issues happening? the curtis done region and well yeah, i think there is a big problem with tribal society and iraq. you know, i know where we both families from different areas i visited and they're very, they have norms that are strongly punitive towards women. and the issue here is that these actors are allowed to act with impunity. not only when it comes to women's issues, but also in general, sometimes they're even seen as partners, tribes and tribal leaders when it comes to policy issues and not only by the iraqi

government itself, but even by international organizations. so on one hand, sometimes you have institutions, both domestic political institutions and international ones that legitimize the existence of this patriarchal norm for long as they're operating in one state. but then by legitimize them, they're creating these very powerful actors, the law to the law, and continue building on this culture. and on this norm, that makes women less valuable in society and very easy targets and very easy pray for any small violation. so i do think that everyone has the role to play and then yeah, i know most certainly and became the fact of everyone having a role to play in the so many people playing a role actively. i want to share with our audience on february, 5th iraqi women staged a protest in baghdad. this was an anti domestic violence law that they were calling for and it's been stalled in parliament for ages. we have to supporters who are

sharing with some of their views on this. take a listen tribal customs dominate the law. a person who kills his daughter or sister is jailed and released after 6 months total. if we, i know her father killed her intentionally and was encouraged by iraqi law to which allows killing under the pretext of so called honor motive. amid a complete cover up the plan, we heard from marcia about how tribal customs play into all of this and factor into the lack of protection. what would you add anything based on what those women had say? i think it's not just that it's a tribal thing, but it is free bumping iraqi kurdistan region. we see on the killings. tapping the cities as well. for me, at least i believe that women also role in upholding very sexist and patriarchal funded. we see that it's not just the men who are killing those,

some women who also advocate for the sick mentality. and so i think if the rest of iraq can learn from that you, aki cut a son region. some of the things that we stablished includes the helpline multiple shows the houses legislation path to criminalize funds against women. you've got a in choir director. it specifically deals with cases of violence against women. and what women act was trying to do now is to have the court have a special code to the on a base killings and violence so that women have the privacy they need and have the security. they need to ensure that the, if they come forward in a court of law, they will have justice because you have things like bribes, things like witnesses being intimidated to interview women who again to the court. being intimidated, they're often scared, right? to come to add on all of that. i think one thing that always misses that women say

a role in how iraq deals with women. it's not just men who have a child who is in the case of the mother allegedly also it was involved in what happened to it wasn't just men doing so well, it's interesting to me because the recent election, i mean it was encouraging to see so many fema on peas in especially from independent parties, so that would give the impression that perhaps, you know, there is more hope and yet we see so, so often things continue to get stalled. and i think you were pointing some of those issues for audience. so i appreciate that also, i want to share and transparency before we went live, you brought up the fact that you know you wished perhaps more iraqi men would be part of this conversation and asked why we didn't include a man's voice. i see you have not nodding on that note i want to, i want to share a comment that's in our youtube chat. this came in just moments ago from lynn

murphy belly saying not all men believe in honor killings for women. so i'm afraid that this could end up igniting a civil war among the men because this behavior angers other men. just one opinion there, but, but not you wanted to add, as i was mentioning the absence of a man from this discussion. yes, i would like to say that soon as we are in society organization, we could really, why i was a, a, a big question of the domestic violence. and this is, it is an issue now becoming not among civil society, but among, you know, society as a whole. and this is the, the public quit cases as being how you say the broke design as broken this island against it. so this is, is now becoming an issue is not just we went before that time, we were always silence and people, they don't want to speak about it. yeah. now even know ain't not in the cities i am speaking about in the area. yeah. where do we could succeed at like in many

conservative areas like guess how we just where we have really made a groups of men, you know, it's looking against don't mistake violence and you know, how about the punishment, the importance of punishment. and i always say is supporting their wives and systems to be, you know, aware about today and lives on to, to, is there how you say, well, their rights and their, their life. and this is just that partners, and this is now the change is coming, not only in the cities, but even in the areas. and this is that you'll do the signatures ifd movement, which is supported by so enlightened people in the light of men. they are also joining, you know, how he's aid or needs a lawyers and judges and others where we are really feel that the change is coming and is not quite away. and especially among good new agenda. and i appreciate you

bringing up the new generation. obviously the way this topic previously taboos still very much taboo is being discussed in the virtual realm in social spaces is why we wanted to have this conversation on the stream of her audience who might not be very familiar though with fibers case, i want to ask you more seeing if i can, looking at this tweet from me, mailed, releasing, following the her ethic death of pe valley activists. tell me that it's time for the government to chan change, rather the penal code and end immunity to male perpetrators. although numbers aren't known cases up to tens of thousands like they, they buzz, remain hidden due to social taboos. could you, marcia explain to our audience that doesn't know why she went to turkey, kind of the ins and outs, or there's the overview of fibers reality. the story is quite her aspect. she went to turkey because she was escaping an abuse of family and her brother, in particular, were being sexually abusive towards her. so you can imagine it was harrowing

circumstances for a very young woman to leave her country. and also she comes from a very, a very small town and a small province in iraq. and so she spend time in turkey. and when she decides to come back, it is like roy, decide at the encouragement of her mother who says that they can make amends with the family. and, you know, perhaps, you know, her father can be made to understand her choices and maybe this will help her finally marry her partner that she, you've seen many of you to videos. but rather than any of that actually happening as the way to send her mother was the complicit in, bringing her into to iraq and making her feel safe and only for her to be killed. and i think she has reached this level of attention from media outside of iraq because there's so many videos are right. exactly. i feel very close to her with her. i mean, even if you didn't know who she was, i didn't know who she was prior to her being killed,

but the sooner you see her videos, you feel like you, you know, you see this person who, it's astounding that their life was cut for short and you know, when you and when you say you see her, sorry to cut you off, but when you say you see her, you really do see her right beyond just the visual you really feel like you can access her sort of spirit. and i think that may be why not to pontificate, but really to anything to add. i know that there are parts of her story that are really harrowing in that view that she faced. i think the one thing i liked the others when you wanted facebook in particular, these killings always attract sympathy. you have individuals to glorify the killing of women in the name of on the young people say well done. should have been done seen and i can come and see because i monitor kurdish media much more than media, found the kindest side. we have a platform called women k l d, where the document women killed in the name of honor. 9 to 10 instances,

the women who are killed. you have really horrifying comments on facebook in particular, when people rejoice and celebrate those killings. so to me there's a cultural problem in addition to the fact that you have a government lack of government initiative because violence against women on the campus thought, even though you have legislation is just not enough so far which needed in my opinion is that you need or you need a cultural change that's going to take time because the moment we have young girls, you can see all those on instagram, on tweets on facebook. they can find like minded individuals. and then you have those who want to conserve divide you. there's going to be a clash of opinions and it's going to get much before it gets better. to me it's not black and white to shoot even. ringback iraq where to pass left advantage. sure . right, yeah, being killed continue to happen,

but it's 2nd time to reduce that. and before we wrap up this conversation, i do want to share with our audience a report done last year by al jazeera simona full team. i want to share this because it kind of documents how domestic violence beyond davis case has really been a problem. particularly during the pandemic and beyond. take a listen. there is one government run shelter in bagdad, but it only provides accommodation on a judge's order. some women seeking urgent refuge turned to rights groups that run underground operations. this woman endured her husband's abuse for more than 20 years. we have tribal rules if the woman left her husband's house or her parents how she will be killed, how follow? the tipping point was when he began to sexually harass their daughters one night they crept out of their home and came to this shelter, gone with him midnight and each one went to the law doesn't protect me. maybe they

will find my location. i'm scared to sleep at night. i'm afraid of the try. i want to bring some of the voices and are you to chat into this discussion alice? same thing, i appreciate that public awareness of this issue. it's nice to see that there is a debate about this in iraq and we have cherie tower thing. tribal systems have always been about women, education and equality. not all men feel this way. and some when women haven't been educated enough, thankfully the world is waking up. so i question for you. does it feel like the world is waking up? you said that the young generations and inspiring you is there a reason to be hopeful here, after 4 decades of you tirelessly trying to bring an end to the suffering. you know, this is, this is becoming an issue of the people is not only issues of woman, but issues of people. when, when the young people speaking that we, we are condemning violence against women or girls. this is,

it is an issue when they speak about equality and they go to vote for women. this is what, what you have saved from the beginning. the last elections has a broom, the thrust of the society toward so much to be in the such position of the politics in politics. so this is, it's me, is not only that parties, but even independent people. you know that to of this, in your parties, they got a form and they got the highest vote among women over, you know, thousands of about 330000 votes. one of them in july money. the 2nd one in very small areas in you want me and sense so this is in me is that there is no change along so as i a p, and especially within the, in new generations. and when i remember also, on the 13th february 2020, when thousands of women moved in several provinces would be, you know,

would i always have with the title of, again, condemning violence against women and goods. this is, it was a big issue, a bank that and in the south and areas during the uprising of 20192020, where women even they being, you know, involved in this department. then clearly they have really always said they, they guarded their, they guarded, this demonstration. yeah. so this is not only in baghdad, but i'm speaking about the areas of the many conservative, you know. yeah, i know them. so it says now the change, i mean, and my, that's all i would like to say that to the governments, even when we met with the minister of in yet, yesterday, he emphasized that there was that there shouldn't be protection, right. the for such of all survivors and from the domestic violence. and that's what we are doing without trying well, mobilizing, i want to send files, women,

would this was that would be so sorry at the as well as pushing and pushing the high when you can go. and so i think a steps again this, you know, right, and that's why we're grateful for you and everyone to join us and to continue to push this conversation forward. speaking of which we have a video comment that was sent to us from. so can i take a listen, i what this lawyer, how to say from baghdad. this little political, a comedy? well, i'm with a how do you say that with, you know,

i met seen, we're running out of time here. i want to give you one last chance to give us your last. what should we be focused on? think like the way it does said there are a lot of lessons to be learned from the current to stan region. and you talked about simona report, which is an excellent report, but i think the important lesson that comes from both from, from this report is that iraq is interconnected and domestic violence legislation in one area won't be impact a countrywide. and it just lation. and it's also a reminder for gimme that's all the time. we have been a reminder that we're all connected with you and with iraq. so thank you for watching and for being part of this conversation, see you next time. ah ah

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