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hello and welcome to the stream i managed aberdeen today, domestic violence in iraq, the so called the honor killing of 22 year old. you to blogger at thy belie lee, who was strangled by her own father as renewed calls for iraq to adopt laws. recognizing gender based violence, we'll talk more about her case in today's show and ask what's stopping iraq from criminalizing domestic violence. just a warning to our audience that today's conversation will involve descriptions of violence against women. ah, joining us from baghdad, marcin as somebody and non resident fellow with the brookings institution, also in baghdad. do our co founder of the iraqi association and the iraqi women's network. and in london way them a stuff she is a british kurdish political activists based in the u. k. welcome to you all, marcy, and i want to start by asking you personally if there was anything that surprised

you when you 1st heard about by but story. how did you feel? sadly, unsurprised by it because the context of iraq and the unit of nature of tribal society is something that continues to inflict violence on women throughout iraq's contemporary history. so of course i was fat and shocked anger, but not surprised. and i think that really is the root of the problem that we continue to expect. that's kind of violence against women in iraq. and now when you hear that answer, i'm curious, given your decades of work on this issue inside iraq. was there anything that stood out to you about his situation, particularly the fact that she had previously, as you know, you know, been escape or escaped feeling very sad that she's very young. 2022 years old. only on feeling always that she is, you know,

send and she could really live in a peaceful way. and she has to choose her partner every human being that has the target for that. and dyson ford about. and i just want to ask you, i mean, what stood out to you about this case. i can't imagine you were surprised. but was there something particular that that shocked you about the way it was handled or, or not? i think the most troubling aspects of this particular case is bad. the least failure on the 5 following heads that they haven't been any arrest. so any change in the way, women who report semester violence, there's no change in direction. there's no change in terms of politicians coming forward and saying that we need to do much more. i mean, particular male politicians, because this is a fight that women alone can succeed in something that means so many women to

jointly work together to change the way to change the fact that you've all continues to descend in terms of treat women. and i just wanted to point out something. so iraqi kurdistan region half legislation to criminalize domestic violence both in terms of sexual physical or psychological violence against a new cut and region is very much part of the country that has made some strides in terms of attempting to reduce violence against them and putting in place regulation to ensure you know, that there's some sort of legislation for me to say actually this is my right was violated. this is this piece of legislation protect me, but even so, even in the southern region, we still see very high number of women killed. right? and i think that indicates that perhaps it's a cultural issue as much as it's a political issue. marcin i thought you wanted to jump and go ahead. yes. so i was

going to add on related point about not having male allies and not having male politicians or policy makers invested in working on this. and the kind of the lack of response on both the legal front and the parliamentary front. and i wanted to add that what's even more astonishing, and this is the fact that there's very few female allies politically for iraq women . and that despite the apparent quantitative success, the rocky women have in parliament with a 25 percent quota being surpassed. actually in the last election, there's only a handful of women in parliament and even a handful as a generous term that actually advocate for women's rights. and what truly saddened means that i'm almost certain that this death is going to be for god. and when it comes to legislation enough, you know, in a few months and nothing will come of it and more rocky women will be killed and nothing will come of that because the kind of legislative 4th we need to see this through is still missing in iraq. right now,

and then i'm glad you brought that up hannah, i want to ask you after go ahead. did you want to say something out? yes, i would like to mention that really big list of names of victims like like what happened to people there? are there are so many of these like my now because you'll be d like because like i a move so we like model flavor like how this is that the 2 sisters like you don't know then is she, mary was all these they are being killed on their way to being either being exempt from 4 to be, excuse me, to get medication. one is meant or they have been already in the unity. well, i know this is our problem, not to think about these lives is being really got, you know, without any punishment. this is if it's already been for us, and always we say that iraqi women, there is no safety for iraqi women. this is a due to the marginalization to the,

i always say marginalization of the rule of law in the country. this is the main issue for, and i appreciate your passion and i appreciate you both bringing up politics as well as the legislative lack of mobilization. if you will, we have also in the rocky advocate for women's rights and fire lab. who said this after the protests on february 5th, take a listen. what not? because we don't only have the case of cuba. there are many hundreds. doesn't like tuba, who are killed in the name of honor and shame washing. there are many cases that are not publicized, enter, disclose as cases of suicide when they are in fact killings in the name of honor without any investigation. and without any proof, we are not only here for tv today, but for the hundreds, dozens of women who are killed just like it is about the law and not about to be personally as you said, echoing the fact that this is too many names,

too many people too many lives lost and a fact that i want to ask you on the back of that. or if i were any rocky woman, if you will, what are my options? what are my tangible options in terms of protecting myself? you know, this is the way that we are trying to raise this for the issue for to be so shy. t on this is, it needs that we have to mobilize, you know, many different people, different strata beginning go from the rule of law enforcement of law about are does today, especially and to the family is sense, you know, because even the young people, they are, they have raised this issue, who is the next? and if the family doesn't understand that they do save their girls or their daughters of order their wives, this is it to me is there is no way for woman to live in a peaceful way or to, to build a future. this is, it is a very essential things that the understanding of, from the family do,

may mobilize society against the secret crimes. and this is a who gets it. and i think that this we, we got some of that much better now. sure. initially, when we think about domestic violence lawyers, i saw marcia, this is not a big company. got issue. maxine i saw that you wanted to jump in there. i just wanted to add to noah's saying about the about society in europe in general and building up what we decided about the issues happening, the kurdistan region and well yeah, i think there is a big problem with tribal society and iraq. you know, i know where they both families from different areas i visited and they're very, they have norms that are strongly punitive towards women. and the issue here is that these actors are allowed to act with impunity. not only when it comes to women's issues, but also in general, sometimes they're even seen as partners, tribes and tribal leaders when it comes to policy issues and not only by the iraqi

government itself, but even by international organizations. so on one hand, sometimes you have institutions, both domestic political institutions and international ones that legitimize the existence of this patriarchal norm for long as they are operating in one state. but then by legitimizing them, they're creating these very powerful actors of law to the law. and continue building on this culture and on this norm that makes women less valuable in society and very easy targets and very easy pray for any small violation. so i do think that everyone has a role to play and then yeah, i know most certainly and became the fact of everyone having a role to play in so many people playing a role actively. i want to share with our audience on february, 5th iraqi women staged a protest in baghdad. this was an anti domestic violence law that they were calling for. and it's been stalled in parliament for age as we have to supporters who are sharing with us some of their views on this. take

a listen tribal customs dominate the law. a person who kills his daughter sister is jailed and released after 6 months total if allowed in the fall. we, i know her father killed her intentionally and was encouraged by iraqi law to which about killing under the pretext of so called honor motive. amid a complete cover up by the plan, we heard from marcia about how tribal customs play into all of this and factor into the lack of protection. what would you add anything based on what those women had say? i think it's not just that it's a tribal thing, but it is something you could have fun region we see on the killings happening. the cities as well. for me, at least i believe that women also role in upholding very sexist and patriarchal funded. we see that it's not just the men who are killing some women who also

advocate for the sick mentality. and so i think if the rest of you all can learn from that, you cut a son region. some of the things that they've established includes the helpline multiple ciocca houses, legislation is passed to criminalize funds against women. you've got a inside director. it specifically deals with cases of violence against women. but what women act was trying to do now is to have the court have a special code to the on the base killings and violence so that women have the privacy they need and have the security. they need to ensure that the, if they come full it, and of course they will have justice because you have things like bribes, things like witnesses being in some of the women who again to the court. being intimidated, they're often scared, right? to come to add on all of that. i think one thing that's always is that women say

a role in how iraq deals with women. it's not just men who have a child who is in the case the mother allegedly also it was involved in what happened to it wasn't just men doing so well it's interesting to me because the recent election, i mean it was encouraging to see so many fema on peas, in especially from independent parties, so that would give the impression that perhaps, you know, there is more hope and yet we see so, so often things continue to get stalled. and i think you were pointing some of those issues for audience. so i appreciate that also i want to share and called transparency. before we went live, you brought up the fact that you know you wished perhaps more iraqi men would be part of this conversation and asked why we didn't include a man's voice. i see you nodding on that note. i want to, i want to share the comment that's in our youtube chat. this came in just moments ago from lynn murphy belly saying not all men believe in honor killings for women.

so i'm afraid that this could end up igniting a civil war among the men because this behavior angers other men. just one opinion there, but, but not you wanted to add, as i was mentioning the absence of a man from this discussion. yes, i would like to say that soon as we are in society organization, we could really why i was a set grenade the questions of the domestic violence. and this is, it is an issue now becoming not among civil society, but among, you know, society as a whole. and this is the, the public good cases as being how you say don't design as broken. this island again said, so this is, is now becoming an issue, is not just we went before that time, we were always silence and people, they don't want to speak about it. yeah. now even not even, not in the cities. i am speaking about in the area. yeah. where do we put succeeded?

like in many conservative areas like guess how we just where we have really made a groups of man, you know, it's your king against don't mistake violence and you know how saying about the punishment, the importance of punishment. and i always say is supporting their wives and systems to be, you know, aware about their lives and to choose their how you say, or their rights and their life. and this is, it is, i'm to jump on them. and this is now the change is coming, not only in the cities, but even in the areas. and this is the new york to the 71st ifd movement, which is supported by so enlightened people in the lightest men. they are also joining, you know, how he's aid or needs lawyers and judges and others where we are really feel that the change is coming and is not quite away. and especially among good new agenda. and i appreciate you bringing up the new generation. obviously the way this topic

previously taboos still very much taboo is being discussed in the virtual realm in social spaces is why we wanted to have this conversation on the stream for our audience who might not be very familiar though with fibers case, i want to ask you more seeing if i can looking at this tweet from me and i was really following to her death, a stable ali activists tell me that it's time for the government to chan change, rather the penal code and end immunity to mail perpetrators. although numbers aren't known cases up to tens of thousands like they, they buzz, remain hidden due to social taboos. could you marcin explain to our audience that doesn't know why she went to turkey, kind of the ins and outs, or there's the overview of fibers reality. the story as quiet her as tech. she went to turkey because she was escaping an abusive family. and her brother, in particular, were being sexually abusive towards her. so you can imagine it was harrowing circumstances for a very young woman to leave her country. and also she comes from

a very, a very small town and a small providence in iraq. and so she spend time in turkey. and when she decides to come back, it is like roy, decide at the encouragement of her mother who says that they can make amends with the family. and you know, perhaps, you know, her father can be made to understand her choices and maybe this will help her finally marry her partner that she, you've seen many of you to videos. but rather than any of that actually happening, the way to send her mother was the complicit in, bringing her into to iraq and making her feel safe and only for her to be killed. and i think she has reached this level of attention from media outside of iraq because there's so many video roller. right. exactly. i feel very close to her with her. i mean, even if you didn't know who she was like, i didn't know who she was prior to her being killed. but as soon as you see her

videos, you feel like you, you know, you see this person who, it's astounding that their life was cut for and short and you know, when you, and when you say you see her, sorry to cut you off. but when you say you see her, you really do see her right beyond just the visual you really feel like you can access her sort of spirit. and i think that may be why not to pontificate, but really to anything to add. i know that there are parts of her story that are really harrowing and abuse that she faced. i think the one thing i liked the others when you melissa facebook, in particular, these killings don't always attract sympathy. you have individuals to glorify the killing of women in the name of on that. yeah, people say well done should have been done seen and i can come and see because i monitor media much more than media from the curb side. we have a platform called women audi where the document women killed in the name of on the line 10 instances,

the women who are killed. you have really horrifying comments on facebook in particular, when people rejoice and celebrate those killings. so to me there's a cultural problem in addition to the fact that you have a government, lack of government initiative because violence against women on the side, even though you have legislation is just not enough so far. which need it, in my opinion, if you need, or you need a cultural change that's going to take time because the moment we have young girls, you can see all those on instagram, on twitter, facebook, they can find like minded individuals. and then you have those who want to conceptual, i do this tends to be a clash of opinions and it's going to get much before it gets better. yeah. now, to me, it's not a black and white issue. even if iraq, where to pa last advantage. sure, right, yeah, being killed continue to happen, but it's 2nd to reduce that. and before we wrap up this

conversation, i do want to share with our audience a report done last year by al jazeera, simona full teen. i want to share this because it kind of documents how domestic violence beyond the case has really been a problem. particularly during the pandemic and beyond. take a listen. their swan government run shelter in bagdad, but it only provides accommodation on a judge's order. some women seeking urgent refuge turned to rights groups that run underground operations. this woman endured her husband's abuse for more than 20 years. oh, if an adult we have traveled rules. if the woman left her husband's house or her parents house, she will be killed. how far away? oh, the tipping point was when he began to sexually harass their daughters one night they crept out of their home and came to this shelter. quote gone when her midnight mute . oh no one called the lord doesn't protect me or maybe they will find my location

. i'm scared to sleep at night. i'm afraid of the trial. i want to bring some of the voices and are you to chat into this discussion earlier saying, saying, i appreciate that public awareness of this issue. it's nice to see that there's a debate about this in iraq and we have sherry towered, saying, tribal systems have always been about women, education and equality. not all men feel this way. and some when women haven't been educated enough, thankfully, the world is waking up. so i question for you, hanna, does it feel like the world is waking up? you said that the young generations and inspiring you, is there a reason to be hopeful here, after 4 decades of you tirelessly trying to bring an end to the suffering? you know, this is, this is becoming an issue of the people is not only issues of women, but issues of people when, when the young people speaking that's we, we are condemning violence against women or girls. this is if there's an issue i'd,

when they speak about equality and they go to bill for woman, this is what, what you have saved from the beginning. the last elections as a broom. the thrust of the society toward so much to be in the such position of the funny thing in politics. so this is, it's me, is not only the parties, but even independent people. you know that to, of this in your parties. they got a form and they got the highest lot among women over, you know, 1000 about 330000 votes. one of them in july money. the 2nd one in very small areas in do you want me to sense? so this is me, is that there is no change along, so i a p and especially within the, in new generation. and when i remember also, on the 13 february 2020, when thousands of women moved in several provinces would be, you know, i would,

i would say, would the title of, again condemning violence against women and goods. this is, it was a big issue in baghdad. and in the south and areas during the uprising of 20192020, where women even they being, you know, involved in this department. then they have really how they, they, they guarded their, they guarded this demonstration. yeah. well, this is not only in baghdad, but i'm speaking about the areas of the many conservative you're no longer there. so if there's not a change in my that's all i would like to say that to the governments, even when we have met with the minister of in yes, yes, he emphasized that that, that there should be protection right. for such of all survivors of from the domestic violence. and that's what we are doing without trying mobilizing, i want to send files, women, would this was,

that would be so sorry at the as well as pushing and pushing the high when you can go and said, take a steps against this, you know, guy. and that's why we're grateful for you and everyone to join us and to continue to push this conversation forward. speaking of which we have a video comment that was sent to us from. so can i'd take a listen. i what this lawyer, how to say from baghdad. vocal cut a comedy . well, i'm with the german a highly. he said that with synergy, most of you know, i met,

seen were running out of time here. i want to give you one last chance to give us your last thought. what should we be focused on? me think like, ha, does said there are a lot of lessons to be learned from the current to stan region. and you talked about semen as report, which is an excellent report. but i think the important lesson that comes from both from, from this report is that iraq is interconnected and domestic violence legislation in one area won't be impact a country wide image of lation. and then it's also a reminder, forgive me that's all the time we have, but a reminder that we're all connected with you and with the rocks. so thank you for watching. and for being part of this conversation, see you next time. ah ah.

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