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hello, i'm mary. i'm to mozy in london, our top stories. the sound. now, in the rescue efforts, a winding down in many parts of quite kit solving takia, the focus is really shifting to relief efforts to helping millions of people now homeless and in need of humanitarian assistance. united nation says a $14038.00 trucks of arrived in the rebel held north west of syria off to the reopening of a border crossing. but to activist, an emergency teams of criticize the slow response to the earthquakes. more than 45 and a half 1000 people are confirmed who have died more than 39000 of them is takia. will that 5800 in syria? but these numbers are likely to rise. and in both countries, many people are still on accounted for. all this is aftershocks, continue to rattle the region. a turkish disaster agency says there is one taking place every 4 minutes has 4700 tremors since the quite fuss drug out there is bonnet smith has worn out from a temporary relief center in a donno. well,

the government says that a 74000 buildings that are still standing but must be demolished as soon as possible. and when you talk about that, we're talking about again, homes, people's homes, not the ones that have already collapsed into the ground. 374000 people are been evacuated. many of them were living in these tense. the government's intention is for these to be very temporary. this place, for example, behind me, should be shot by monday. people are being moved from the turns into university accommodation. incredibly, some people have been found alive. 11 days after the quakes of 45 year old man was pulled from the rabble in hattie on friday while 3 others have also been rescued from other cities since late on thursday. one man who was rescued earlier on friday, 261 hours after the quakes 1st, it has met his new born daughter for the 1st time. amola was born on the day of the

earthquake itself. she met her father must suffer at a hospital in the turkish city of medicine. and in our other headlines this hour there, pakistani taliban claimed to have carried out an attack on a police headquarters in karachi is killed at least 3 police officers and one civilian 11. others have been injured in what local media are reporting to be a heavy exchange of gunfire between the police and the attackers who stormed the compound. 3 of the attackers also died following a series of loud explosions. kemal hider has more from islamabad. well, this at tech started off their dog and a number of our tigers. that is some good through your notes, to the exact number. the police saying that this could be anything from 5 to 10 people are tagged the compound de loc. grenada, according to their board, then entered into the garage, the police chiefs all. first off the lights went out in that particular building up

. possibly at a precautionary measure by door to wood inside the building. meanwhile, in germany walled lead as a gathering that hello state of global security. the main focus at the music's curity conference, rushes invasion of ukraine. for the 1st time, russia and iran have not been invited to the summit. crane's president obama is a lens he is urging allies to speed up weapons deliveries. we have to liberate ukraine and europe because when the russian weapon should end us, it is already pointed and our neighbors may euro be this subject of compromise. no, we have to liberate from rogers aggressive but digital, the dental, every international institution and evers, fear of the world economy because because only on live then there will be a chance for freedom to pass through our border further to the east and sundays

from america where 5 for memphis police officers have pleaded not guilty after being charged with the murder of tyra nichols, the 29 year old was stopped in january for alleged reckless driving. he was taken to hospital in a critical condition after being brutally beaten and then died. 3 days later, the officers faced several charges including 2nd degree murder, aggravated assault, kidnapping, and oppression. the bottom line is coming up next. ah, i am steve clements and i had a question after yet another killing of a black american at the hands of the police. what's happening with police reform? let's get to the bottom line. ah, the family of tyree nichols was present at the state of the union address when

president joe biden asked congress once again to quote, finished the job of police reform. when 29 year old tyree was stopped by police last month in memphis, tennessee. what was supposed to be a routine traffic stop escalated into a brutal beating. after being teased, he tried to run unarmed, to the house where his mother was calling out to her. it was heartbreaking. some officers had him restrained while others were still punching him and boasted about it on video. it was so severe that tyree had to be taken to the hospital where he died. 3 days later, the officers on the scene had been fired and charged with murder, but the killing, like the murder of george floyd almost 3 years ago, begs the question, is it just a few bad apples on the police force or a system full of institutional and cultural failures. today we're talking with bad john city, foreign police officer and memphis, who now teaches criminology at georgia state university and as a senior fellow at the council on criminal justice that thank you so much for joining us. as i was mentioning to you earlier,

this topic is one that i feel like we need to talk about. we need to address. we should be talking about it all the time. not just when we have a her rec accident or incident that has happened like now, but let me ask you, do you have any confidence that these moments of real horror out there are leading us in any real direction towards genuine police reform? some thank you for having me and that's a wonderful question. i do believe that these signatory events have impacted how we think about reform, but also the need for reform. so for instance, with george floyd, the one thing that i felt was there was a racial rate reckoning in the us. i think for far too long, people believe that black and marginal last communities that call the wolf when it comes to the police because oftentimes are sacrament. these don't experience what we tend to experience in our neighborhoods and without deals with the police or the feelings of fear and trauma that comes across in these interactions. and so what i

have seen is that, but congress to move local governments move state government. 1 to move, even in the absence of federal the federal government passing the georgia board act . and so we've seen a multitude of reforms 3 to 400 for the past at the local state level. since george lewis dealt with terry nichols deaf. i think what about, what about protection will stops on this every stops in the rest? why do black people resist? what about the specialized eunice? and so will become more intelligent about how we think about reform. i will say that we had calls for defined the police after george lloyd, and we saw america come through with education educating them, sales and understanding when the crowd rates went up. realize that we do have a role for police. but i think the main thing that has happened is, what is the role of the police? and are we asking too much about police officers? and are we making enough investments? not just policing, but in criminal justice. so i think we're taking

a much more broader but also deeper approach. understanding what's going on with policing and how the system works. you know the unit that these police officers who murdered tyree nichols allegedly who were fired by the memphis police department were part of a union unit called the scorpions scorpions folks stands for street crime operations for restoring peace. what has happened in police departments from your perspective on the restoring and preserving piece part of the equation? thanks for bringing up the name of the unit. scorpion, i think far too often in police when we take for granted what names mean? what symbols mean? what the uniform means that research shows that these things matter. so 1st i want to say that naming unit score unit is not evoke the guardian style of mindset that we talked about. the 21st policing it carries on there will be a mentality, has gotten policing and trouble for far too long. and let me set the record straight. a lot of these units are performing correctly. a lot of these units have

seen great impacts. the lot of these units have passed the crime that they're targeting without making the but taking the broken windows approach, where the stop or frisk approach or the protection will approach. many of these units are using intelligence that data driven and meditation is also have better supervision. i think a lot of things that we saw we missed isn't a top nipples case was that we saw officers who weren't competent officers who were obviously not actively trained. we saw a subculture within the unit, which could be part of a broader cell culture or specific to that. but we also saw a lack of oversight and accountability. and we also saw that was most disturbing about this particular unit and targets nicholas case is that the fact that they thought that this was real policing. and this goes to how we evaluate, promote offices to these units. you know, we have to look at police and as a industry and maybe the things that we do to reform, all the industries can be used in policing. and i think that, yes,

we need to look at the special as soon as we're just like we started talking about the find the police and the emotional out the met. we did take a look back and really see what's the purpose of these units. what's the purpose of and how do we suppress 5? are we trying to suppress prime, but a lot of our grandkids don't have to deal with this, or we're just trying to get fleeting gains to get little points or 4 officers try to move up their pathway up the ranks. one of the things that struck me about the tyree nichols cases that the police in this case happened to be black or there are their mistakes that we're making and racialize in some of our discussions about the problems and policing today. absolutely. busy in there, and they'll suspect it's a magic bullet county policing, or we get more women get more black officers. we get more college as a kid officers. and you have to really make sure you understand what you're doing. you know, oftentimes was an interaction between police and citizens, is less about the race of the officer. more about the race of the citizens as being

impacted. and what i mean is nobody, black, white, green, purple, blue, whatever, we're our is a meal from anti black messaging that these, these spheres of a black, me and, and particularly these patriarchal values that we have in the us that plus back women much differently doing those black men as harmful effects and many other marginalized groups. and so that's 1st let's talk about the black resistance in black fear. know as a police officer, right? a uniform way home. i will, i'll pull that will before and my heart was racing fairs. my mother had to talk with me and i was raised on to respect police. not because necessarily have the best relationship and respect and, but my mother didn't want me to end up on the news. and so if you try and she is in this way, black here some ways of these communities. i think what it does in a farms down, but it also system for the additional s s a patient. and so we have to try to found the balance and talk about these things responsibly. fight, flight,

or freeze are 3 not responses when it comes to fear of crime. police see the additional resistance and black communities and dealing with black citizens is not because they are more criminal, is not because they despise police. research shows that in many black communities, they want more policing. they just want to be treated fairly and respect imagery. treated humanely, but that fear can cause you to test up, their fear can cause these things to be somewhat exaggerated, but it comes from a real place. is historical. in many times we see these videos, it also causes and raises that fear level. and so oftentimes in many of the cases you've seen resistance, and the one thing that we're the irks me people always acts. well, if black people don't want to be killed or hurt by the police, they should comply. well, it's not just as simple as truth in that, but there's no trust right there. the trust has been eroded. and if you saw with mr . nipples, he was try to deescalate the, the, the conflict. when he got up and ran,

i surmised that he was running for his life. in many other ties, we've seen these instances happen where these people are running for their last because we're afraid people think black resistance taught of results because of defiance often is because of desperation and fear from the trauma of these. if i carelessly or personally with these relationships and so it also goals a show that we house of systemic issues that often elpac the transaction between police and citizens. i think the big thing we're talking about is you, do, you need to tear down these departments down to the, the floor and build them back? or is there an incremental, you know, we can tweak our way through these problems. i mean, do we need to overhaul the system or are there reforms that can come in and kind of become anti gens in the system and begin, begin changing it. so love to get your insights on that, given your experience and both sides of the equation. oh, that's a great question. nelson's house, and i'm talking i use the term we and oftentimes we refer to the black community

and we refers to law enforcement. and so often say that my wife calls me a walk in paradox because i understand the amenities offices are very good people, amenities officers want to do right. and they want to serve public the public in a safe and just manner. now oftentimes you think this is back, this behavior happens in a vacuum and it does, it is policy is training is leadership and not just departmental leadership is also the city level leadership. and we have to hold our seating level leaders accountable as well as police chief, because we often make police officers escape go. what i'll tell you right now, most police officers, their behavior alliance with policy and culture. and you can have all the policies that you want, but if you don't enforce them, this is a message for culture. i will also say many times, you know, people have been disappointed in the. busy federal government, i don't think it is, is earth shattering or the end today? because at the end of the day, reform starts with the local level with police and the community that they're

serving a local government. and so, yes, many places have come out with great things like the council and criminal justice, our task force, camera recommendations like increased data collection duty to intervene trauma from the approaches national training standards, the certification registries. all of these things are vitally important because we have to think about police reform over the long term. we and our generation may not see the full benefit of it. it may be our grandkids. they're actually able to do it, but we have to be in it for the long haul. are given to some details. we've seen places license and that he who made changes. yes because of federal input, but they made changes. they took in around with it. and as long as they had the political we'll, we saw improvements. but once they moved away from that reform about 7 to 10 years later, things started going back on the downside and where they were before they made these reforms. so it shows that reform has to be sustained and it can't be a flash in a pan. so a couple of things is this. how to the officers. everybody wants to hire college to

get it officers, but you have to pay though. so we can't find a police if we want to hire the best top quality officers. research shows that the higher opinion jobs recruit in attractive retain more, a superior workforce, the same thing, goals for policing. also training. you know, the basic training in service training. we have to take a seriously and measured, align with 21st century policing. our leaders, are they train? are they competent? how are they presented? what was their background checks? what was the promotion pathway? what? what does their record looks like to do? they hold their officers accountable. so as these things, and so i will say that it's a lot, but yeah, they just can do it right now. well, let me, let me jump in here. i want you to keep going on because i want to ask you a question. kenneth corey, who's a former police chief of new york city, has said that what we ask of our cops is that they think like lawyers speak like psychologist in perform like athletes. what we pay them is common labors,

which is exactly the point you're making. and the question is, do you have any insights into the prescription that might address this problem of the seeming mismatch of skills and training with what we x and the pay that we're paying officers. if we want better officers, we have to make investments an applebee's force. you know, let me just say it is about 80 to 90 percent of all police department expenditures go towards salaries and benefits. they're not rolling over in the dough. and so this is oftentimes we saw the militarization of police and why, why to these departments clamoring toward this money is that he's equipment because they are thirsty for more resources and better resources. you also have a mad power issue. and so we, yes, we need to try and better yesterday to do these things. but remember, i told you police departments, police officer policy compliant and the behavior that happened back. and we see that many of these, these, these, these cases have spurred out of on this is every contact with police officers are

not treat assistance fairly, not explaining to them what was going on, not invoking procedural justice. so a lot of it goes with that and why the police officers response so aggressively. why the police officers shaped down arrest of citations, oftentimes those without it public safety value, the police reward structure. so speaking of pay, we have to understand the help of these are promoted and invest. weighs heavily on those quote unquote invisible folders that nobody wants to talk about. and so those are only about 10 to 15 percent of the job. and so right there are higher and better quality officers, better training that's going to take time because you just not getting rid of office without due process. but in the meantime, you can change how we interact with citizens. that we spend 85 percent of our job community building and other actions is not not engaging lawbreakers and just law abiding citizens. why not reward office for that?

we wonder why has the community policing taken off? it's been around for ever. is that a new concept? but we have not aligned our war structures, incentives, our promotion structures with how the public needs to be served to keep up with 21st century policing. and so oftentimes with how we were war police officers, we put offices and citizens and adversarial confrontations on necessarily remember the fear that black fear a police. you throw that in into these things. and police officers who are not trying for 21st century policing. they're still trying, like you're being trying it in the old old guard regime. you can see how conflict can come together. i mean, research shows that lack of it all over, but please list any lists oftentimes shows that they want the same amount or more policing. remember, is how they're approaching, how they're dealt with. and the last thing i'll say, you know, you ask the question or this will be overhaul the complete system. let me get some stats. oftentimes we fall to focus on the use of force and police killings. someone

else there's a legally justify, and i'm not saying that they're not lawful but awful, but we need to prevent those things from, from escalating preventing that trigger. but remember this 1200 people, what you about police officers, or after the past couple years, our average to police have 50 or 60000000 contacts with citizens. and so that means they're less than point 002 percent of all cases result in built in the city of myths you. so $800.00 calls a service each year and $2122.00. they reported about 1200 uses force reports. now say they don't report everything, even if it was double that assailed as a 2500 use of force. incidence that happened or divided by $800000.00 best still less than one percent. and so i think a major issue is use of force will need to understand is a reasonable and then how do we prevent that? remove the pretext of policing and reward officers for the job they want. why you think we don't have many women supervisors? why isn't it attracted to women other marginalized and non white groups?

because research shows at the time of police and then i'm talking about it's police and that they're actually retracted to. right. not this old bar. and so out, i'll just sit up on that. yes, no, no i, i, it's important and look, i really liked at the beginning of our conversation that you mentioned that there are departments out there that are data driven that are paying attention to feedback, you know, responding to it, figuring how they're improving. i'm also a data guy, and so one of the data points that has come out of the, you know, memphis police training manuals is that they spend about 208 hours, believe it or not, on firearms training. and about 10 hours on conflict resolution de escalation. does that have to shift from your perspective? as part of it? right? because i remember gauntlet at the same attack. an active fight. i could run, i could die by the below. i had raised a viable chest that i could shoot, but i didn't receive much try in the escalation or did the with special populations

. how do i deal with juveniles? how do i deal someone who's help with a mental health? so how do i deal with these things when you leave the academy thinking, you're going to fight a foreign airbus every every day instead of your community member. so i think you know, that war, your mentality, that us versus deal is pervasive in the academy. and so this is why you can say that it's deeper than who you higher if you some people say that you are a college kid hitting officers. they bring certain skill sets in, but dependent on their training. and not just basic training their field training officer, the and service trying to which is more repetitive, the reward structure to really dictate on how they police and they could become talented by all of those things. and what they came to the force for, right. they real last of the jobs to pay their bills, particular to kids and all these things that the job requires all the things. and so there's a mismatch. and what we're saying we want to do right in how we're training and how we're rewarding. i watched president biden, steve the union address,

i guess about 20000000 other americans did. and he acknowledged tyree nichols, parents up in the, in the viewing gallery and said to congress, finished the job and, and past the george floyd justice and policing act. here's the thing that i'm struggling with, let's imagine, and i have to say, i don't think it'll, it'll pass. i don't either from what i see in congress that a, i don't think that policing act is going to pass those. but my cards on the table. but if it did pass, would it solve this underlying problem? are we again talking about the wrong thing, distracted by the wrong thing? give us your final thoughts here. may absolutely oh everybody was up in arms. and i was like, well, for me with police departments, non profits, local governments are working together for holistic approach places. i fear you'll north carolina places. i counted in newark, new jersey, places like dallas in denver with the stars program at san francisco, who provides immunity to 6 industry workers. and those who are undocumented

immigrants, so they can report their victimization and not worry about being charged. similarly, right, many places have taken this trauma informed approach. and so for me, the federal government has said, guidelines and all those things like the executive order was great, but it was always with federal officers. that's a minor amount of contact that people have with federal officers. and so for me, i see the federal government providing minimum thresholds, i think qualify in a qualified community or, or, or in making changes to it is great. but it's not the end of the world that's only financially police office not rolling over in the dough. now we want to hold people accountable by their showing kim, pardon these others want to hold him accountable, accountable? personally, that has to do with qualified immunity. and so the federal government will position you what more data help agencies get the, the, the, the infrastructure, the computing power, the manpower personnel, the special as an understanding, analyzing data most healthy small as you just pull some, pull a guy off the b to say, hey, you know, computers, can you input these data?

of course they're going to be issued to sort of federal government can be a fine answer over form. why certainly these things up in minute reforms that already taken place by for in the dallas stars program partners, police officers with social workers and other service providers, re benefits. but they had to fight for funding even go. they show these benefits and had a proven track record. and so that's why the federal government stepping in, providing the right equipment for these agencies, bolstering the pay, so we can make sure we get the best and brightest officers that we see go. so i see the federal government playing that role. so those things provide a baseline like ban in tional polls. right? no, no long as these types of things. they provide a baseline for the reform that we need but, and she'll be creat pathways for officers who are service minded, who often when the oriented to be leaders and you keep focused on rewards structures that have no public safety value and with those criminals and metrics

you're going to have people who value war reached out, police and continue to be the gatekeepers. as supervisors are being promoted and those who are more attractive, innovative, community build and type of policing, they're going to go for of their careers. and i deal with this, and so i think it's so important that we not get blinded by big bills and all these things at the federal level. it's a state level, it's a local matter and the federal government can partner with this. and this is the last thing i'll say, you know, oftentimes we put the federal government as these innovators from our research with the 999. if we're crime bill and other things, the federal government, rewards and science things into play. 1 many times has already been done at the state and the local level. and so this is not the one time they should, they should get away from that because the answers are there. and so i think, you know, that's not true in that. that's not the biggest deal in the world, but there are other ways the federal government can do can support efforts that are

going on are ready. and the last thing is that may support days more than a police before we can arrest our way out of these issues. we also need to make sure that we build about communities, right? make sure that we address someone systemic issues that i talk about the lease of more resistance between police officers, citizens and black citizens, and particularly as well. i think those are some places where we can really gain traction in the interim while we make these other infrastructural changes. and so for me that's the role of the federal government at this point regardless of the georgia board act, that's a great is symbolic but substantively i'm not sure how much is going to change, allows the people on the ground between police and communities being over police powerful discussion senior fellow at the council on criminal justice and former policeman fad. johnson, thanks so much for being with us today to have missed the my pleasure. so what's the bottom line? it's not about defending the police. and of course, there are fearless cops out there who say people every day,

but to deal with abuse. it's definitely time to stop talking and start doing in the words of the former republican governor of new jersey, chris christy. it may surprise you, but 10 years ago he totally dismantled the police force of one city camden, new jersey and rebuilt it. and now it's a model of how a modern police force should work. what happened to tyree nichols is not an anomaly, and the problem is not going away by itself. the job is left to the thousands of local communities across america to figure out their own ways to protect themselves against criminals, without becoming criminals themselves. and that's the bottom line. ah, any notorious moses i community. what kinda sucks rule one, pietro directive inches. to stage a play there. call me missing the ada to empower the women. that old man sitting right in. i and we define the

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