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the blocks leadership gathers yet again, as africa grapples with many challenges. but are african leaders up to the task? this is insightful. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much of job leaders from 55 african nations are meeting and ethiopia for the annual african union summit. this year is different than others. the russian foreign minister toward the continent last week, as the wagner groups involvement in some of the continents conflicts is increasing . all this comes as francis influence in west africa is dwindling. remarkably. burkina faso, guinea and molly are lobbying to reinstate their countries to the african union. they lost their seats following military coups un secretary general antonio terrace is also joining the leaders in the capital,

addis ababa together with the european council president charles michelle. so what's on the agenda? leaders will discuss widespread conflict in the eastern democratic republic of congo and insecurity. and molly burkina, faso, guinea, and sudan. another major topic will be food security. many people are going hungry and several regions with somalia close to famine. the group will also debate regional cooperation, thoughts between sudan and ethiopia, and libya. stall, transition are among top concerns. on a broader level, governments will discuss a request for permanent african seats on the united nations security council. and the g 20 group of major economies. ah, are i for more on all this i'm joined by our guests in kampala is victor ocean, director for african youth initiative network. in rabbit is mohammed lisky senior fellow at the policy center for the new south american think tank that focuses on economic and social public policies. and in london is jonathan affair. i'm sorry,

founder and publisher at africa briefing magazine. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks for being with us on inside story today. victor, let me start with you today. the 2023 african union summit is going to be taking place at a very fraught time for the continent. how important is it that this be a productive summit? thank you. i think that when, when the 3 a use time coming at the point when there's so much about the interest that you studied, the significance of africa given the current global situation, a body increasing tension between the power and all that. but and the question comes, what drove, what will africa play? comes with the lower security piece on august? what would be the most question, boys, the african union, or african block can come forward and present because at the end of the day, you look at, there's been reason for need to consolidate africa. well,

you show them all is but this because she's allowing issues driven by state political fragility, an identity based politics that have been problematic. so i hope the african union sammy, this time will bring i life on situation about the question right now, which is significant. most importantly, addressing denita, is it not conflict? yes. right victor, let me follow up with you on a point that you were making there when, when it comes to the competition between the global superpowers right now. and the role africa is playing because you've had russian foreign minister circ, a live rob, you've had the new chinese foreign minister. you've had the us treasury secretary, all have embarked on african tours within the past month. russia, china, the u. s. they are all trying to expand their footprints in africa right now. so how much geopolitical bargaining power does that give africa at this moment? yes, you did mention so that's good, mental illness of,

of ours. look at how they've gone on with the belief that as strong as to the infrastructure for point gayden, africa through broad richie diplomacy, development and security issues. i also look at your opinion and i made it a point that the one to consolidate, new commitment to coordinate china and battles and looking at the, your kid, russia, the india, all these are deliberate, significant, you know, develop made which are very important. columbia and security point of view, but now you look at how in africa was and so we need to get point where africa to join different or does this, it was quite a bit because we need to know everybody think list know how we can help standing quite clear africa and then the fossil come, what will africa do? adequate to be foster big sites in which you want to go. we on that. ready as

a contact name, there was an industry we knew that when agenda we have our own ambition is to focus on our, you know, mainstream political economy and insecurity point of this matter. i think africa should be and battle ground. but to should look into how these seek to secure unless you doesn't strengthen stability in the continent. jonathan, i saw you nodding along somewhat. victor was saying there, so i'm going to give you a chance to jump in. but i also want to ask you, what are the priorities of this summit and from your vantage point, what's expected to come out of it? when i'm, i always say that's a the pass a you some, it's, i've come to regret it. i said we're in our thoughts shall fall and i am africa leaders, but i am the time has come in view of a weather geopolitical and she tuition and we find ourselves today currently am and victo merchant services by

a nor did you try this for him and he saw recently by i am sick, elaborate from russia, get at here and where they were tardies, a concrete as well as the us about or to where to the un give won't be for just a gun and a question african, it's neutral axis. why in all this interest in africa, ok from where i'm sick and i see that all these major powers are coach in africa because africa, something too often africa has something that they need. right? so this is the time. look, we have they, it will be a union. we have the asian countries are not the only corporate shrunk economic blocks. we have the, we set up the africa, wichita free trade area. look to facilitate an increase in traffic, can treat and all of that. yeah. but we need to look us out while this a big poet, i call to nation, we must know a what we have, what we possess,

that the unique and know how to leverage their content is advantage. so to me they say some it's not should be erica passer took her by these switches, which would be under clinton. it took about climate change and took her by cruel me . how come to reach our resources to the utmost were utmost a branch in miami, african leaders are going to advocate for a permanent seats for the continent on the un security council. they also want to join the g 20. what are the chances that these goals are achievable? well, let me begin. begin by saying that africa does not accept any more to be an on the, on the menu about. well, to be in around the table with the other powers. in terms of the

hub in the elizabeth in security cost of the united nations. but also having said, whenever the challenge is the global challenges door addressed to how they see and, and to have its, its contribution africa. and my friend said before me, by all the superpower and not, not only because it's not resisted, but because of the potential, the, not the potential that africa is, it is go into in 203-205-2000 africa will be 1200000000 consumer population will be 1.2 and in 2015 it will be 2000 to 2. need to be in $25.00. we will be the 3rd region into demographically, the most important. and with this increase in there will refuse con consent to

consumers, africa. we have between 70800 consumers for all use markets. and it's, it will benefit from the front truck agreements, the country, what's a free trade agreement. but it is also an open the market for all the other powers because africa now is open to read partnership. it's not anymore a lot of one on the other, but it is open to real partnership in which african when we, when we set the the, the, the, the priorities we've set the objectives of to publish it at jonathan. one of the

issues is expected to dominate during the summit, is the push buyer, west african states of breaking a fossil guinea, and molly to be reinstated, to the a you after being stripped to their membership, following military coups. how are to roll? do you think this is going to play during the summer and, and is that something that could happen? could we see them be reinstated? i don't see that happen all of this years. sucking because or look, i am a, you echo us that are the original day center. and i have come from strongly against any m with a tree. or what do any credits are? i'm a d quoted little do for that digital dis, television and all of the of countries and therefore gary's bunch of bridges. so what does that say? you've said that the robot we can offer molly good to well at the equis dos, already stood a robot for them to return to duty without rule until dr. rule rude,

mokesha cube. i doubt if the and the a you will raise to them, you know, into the body. victor, how much are african countries ribbon by identity politics. i'm talking about tribalism. i'm talking about sectarianism and how much does all that hamper what the a you is able to accomplish in its work. again and again, it has also resulted into massive, organized criminal activities across i have seen better see the political mistrust that us continue to define the continent online abroad. you find, you know, the next countries being used as the house for the next conflict and deliberate and oldest, protracted experiences of domestic and external, political ability as been a good result for master trust is in the region. and we have seen that contin

propaganda alone tribes along the city along religious situations, created only the big, deplorable reaction on different countries. and it's been really difficult, i think has attracted massive migration. we have seen that by, by study of phone, after every 10 to 15, yes, must have close this up and especially the great lakes region and region. it does seem numerous under reason is simply because young people are bonded to conflict. they're told with enemies how they're told, why suffering that total way day and they received, you can battle way out of the country by the time to reach 10 to 15 years old, just strong enough. and they want to strike back and decided that generational transfer trauma of pain of challenges. so it just been difficult for us to be able to help the young people, young, universal, and transformed at trauma. they're paying the history into what you need to for

leadership. and that way we have seen has been that s and the sized politics, ethnic development, ethnic government, ethnic progress, because we had to come to comes as long as it enable to dissect the ethnicity, the ethnic ingredients in the african democracy. it's all it is going to be a problem for the continent. that's anita that you need to look at. what does that is needed for a you to talk openly, to talk transparently about this issue among themselves? we're seeing chris about attention into contra attention. duff mains are defined by tribal isms, and just kind of thing becomes ingredient from our conflict. how do we get it is once a focus and how much from your vantage point? how is the african union doing when it comes to coordinating with the regional blocks, whether that pertains to security issues or economic issues. how, how is the a you doing when it comes to that?

i think we have to intercept the fact that the african union is anti government organizations. so it is about trying to coordinate the policies of sobering state. it has nothing to do, for example, with european union, for which the member states decided to, to they, they gave of their competency in african union and to govern the organization. so it can only be efficient if the member states have the political will to allow the african union to really coordinate between between them. so i think that come back to the, or a you, the african union managed to structure itself in an arc detector, dealing with present security that you beginning to use all foods and some results

. of course, in any structure, you have always the initiative to coordinate. there are maybe sometime a duplication between d recently economic completion of the african union and we need to harmon, i need to really deal with the subject, the t or, or between the african union such and it's economic regional commission. now in dealing with security piece of security is a global issue. african union and african member states cannot deal with the issues like terrorism, like conflicts with development without the contribution of the international community. one has to do also that that compared to the other regional organization african, you know, has a very brianne c d. we've been security deployment.

integration health is to try to come out because of efficiency and then days with all other reasons. we have to give the benefits to the african union. we have to think and union it is all the right that we have, i think to be extremely patient and understanding and naval in the african union to discharge user mandates in peace and security. but also in development and social development. jonathan, from your vantage point, just how effective is the a you there are a lot of critics that say that it standards have been eroded when it comes to member states. do you think that's the case? and there's so many challenges impacting the con right now. our african leader is up to the task. i believe,

like abraham. it said it compared to that way you, which was the door, was referred to as the owners club in adam, looking at the a you today and of, and i said it went out to some a bus literacy. gotta talk to him. and i believe i see some grad well progressed, some grad, we're result. and oh, i see. so increase of both go well, right. this is highlighted by the establishment of a, a africa recall touch up area. okay. and well, the piece as put to council, look, you talk about it, it's your piano degree. a wall that ended in late last year. i'm in the mediation was made facilitated by a fellow of candidates by the but a, you. ok without any, what's in missions plane, it go to the peak. they had a hand,

but with luck. many fucked. wicked bye. bye bye a. you've been this? so i see a grad wow. in the lab results, when i'm coming up, i see the post co increasing, but i do a day look. we are good missy office off. was it? ok a you a sam? look the a you have got that yourself. what did it by china look at, look at like fan ok m so min, best color, even in all p, me buster, kind of pete yet. use on time. ok. and even now days at least reliant on again a to now funding in a for you. so christians, ok, so and i did, i could the common probably school, he will pay the piper in ohio that called a queue. so until african leaders i would get together, it'll increase your result. and

o m w more took that ocean. but so far so far, i believe, got your director would it? and if you thought would right, or we can go and or further than we are now. victor, of course, one of the biggest concerns when it comes to africa right now is, is hunger. and so it's expected that, you know, one of the biggest subjects of discussion during this summit is going to be the worsening hunger in several regions. somalia is on the verge of famine. let's just one example. what are some of the concrete steps that can be taken to help this situation to, to, to help improve this situation to combat this? yeah, about the list actually big from the whole past. i think 2 major issues to, to address would be want to address the question of my question, the question of movement. why moving from one another under unable to produce at all? and if you really wishes to address the cause of all these multiple crises,

i think are important that we need to address the question of what makes people to move. what are the reason why one moving from one place to another? and then to produce that, of course, that natural disasters the element of much of the draught. we have diseases you know, floods. we also was due by the quantity in the governance system that makes it very difficult for people to progress. but of course, the most people i think is also the climate change issues you really don't need to experiencing better difficult time. me, you mentioned somalia, you mentioned that the local kenya were seeing you know, the animals are drying to them. i think also i think is very important to know that we've aware that pattern and already which is causing a must be such a just in the region and so on. so in for structure, we need to be able to, how do we navigate the question of climate crisis?

what we, the intern address climate crisis focus on food security. we focus on domestic library when it comes down to policies. there's so much we need to invest this so much that we can do and we must do as a continent in order to be able to. but the looming and all these other ways we have to be ongoing. you just kind of, we have my c opportunity, the democratic demographic, our young people, we have so much energy of young people. and to me that energy is the right thing to do for august about how, what we using it, how you're going to integrate young people. we are forcing them to move away. we're fuzzy, them to leave. that committed is, does to state listing must be around about migration. people are moving from where they can produced, where they can come and stay and it slams in the sub ups of deceit and settings. so if we can, if it will be a challenge to our government, to look at, to address the question of how can you attract people that productive sex society?

in this case, it's like gotcha. but also, how can you quit and vitamin we young people to make uncle? gotcha the wendy mit living in rome, communities where for that david takes place where he is development, the infrastructure stops at mission capital. we are not able to counter the prospect for must be of the looming. and so the project lies within our countries, but it comes down to policies. i think also list, be honest. our african government should commit to going away from politics of poverty where you get it booked well for easy manner. push on is a contract. let's see. how can we help our young people progress on want to stay home and want to contribute to the national? right. i want to ask you about peacekeeping missions. when it comes to peacekeeping missions, how difficult have they been for the a you to finance and,

and is their progress being made when it comes to contributing to funding of piece making and piece support operations on the continent? well, if your, if you allow me, because you, you said what, what african countries can to concrete, the in terms of dealing with the food in security that we just take one minute and then i will go ahead the short piece. i just like to say that the, the hunger or food insecurity crossroads off climate change productivity of agriculture and companies. resolutions. there are some concrete, an initiative that has been taken, for example, by roekel with 14 or 15 other african countries in terms of promoting the productivity of the agriculture in these countries. but it's hard to

either by analyzing the, the nature of and i think we, we have managed to be successful with some countries for example. like, like, like, like if you like the year we would do the order in which is combination between the 2 in the framework of operations in our very progress in rhythm. now let me move to the peacekeeping. i said earlier, does piece, antique g is, is a global issue. it concerns all the international community, not only the african, the fact that most of the peacekeeping operations are in africa doesn't mean, does africa by itself to deal with the issue here. something that africa is trying to do with demands that are available. but

for, for the presence of the near future, i think that the african union, the economy regional commission stephen need support in logistics in training and in finance. it for the time in about 75 percent of the budget is coming from outside the african countries and the implementation of 2 percent. that's the adopted after the reports of president gun mean on the reform of the financing of the peacekeeping operation. but the african union is found into the can enable the offering god to be more involved financially. indeed, and it's caustic, yet it isn't worth possibility of the community. and it is

a responsibility of like, especially now that the company are mixed with the challenge of terrorism and violence. all right, but we have run out of times, we're going to have to leave our discussion there. thanks so much. all of our guests picture and hammered lisky and jonathan of a and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at ha, inside story. i mean, how much am during the whole team here in the life? ah ah

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