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maria, who say they have come to when a site is to make it their home billy. so as the seed at when aside, it was part of our special coverage marking a year into the ukraine war or environment editor nick clark will be exploring how it's been a major setback in the fight against climate change change. later on monday at 1130 g m t at least 36 people have been killed in thriving and landslides in brazil, as our panel region was hit, hardest by the heavy rains is taken. emergency has been declared for the 5 affected municipalities on thunderstorms or forecasts. in the coming week. the clean up cost to new zealand from cycling gabrielle is expected to reach billions of dollars. national state of emergency remains in place while people recover from the nation's most significant weather event. this century, several 1000 people are still cut off on the east coast of the north ireland. at least 11 people died in the store. ah,
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the watching out his era and these are the main stories now. turkish rescue efforts have ended in all provinces except carmano rush and her tie. the areas hardest hit by the earthquakes 2 weeks ago. on 46000 people have been confirmed dead into care and severe u. s. secretary state anti bank and the has been meeting at turkish foreign minister of that have a shallow in ankara. he says the u. s. will support turkey, as it recovers from the quakes. united states is here to support you and your time of lead, and we will be by your side for as long as it takes to recover and to rebuild. yesterday, as my 1st stop on the strip i visited until occur airbase, which as you know, is the hub of the united states efforts to support the disaster response with the foreign minister with my food,
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i had the opportunity to fly over high tide province to look at some of the devastation firsthand, and as i said yesterday it's, it's hard to put into words, an aide convoy from doctors without borders as entered, northwestern syria agencies that calling for an urgent scaling up of help to the area. or than 5000000 people that have been left homeless. north korea has fired to projectiles. what it calls a multiple rocket launcher state media report. the weapon system is capable of hitting an air base. that's home to south korea is f 35 south fighter jets, south korea and japan say the projectiles were short range. ballistic missiles. moscow says its forces are making gains in eastern ukraine, says troops have taken control of a village and the city of hockey gave russian forces, haven't advancing in the area since keith reclaimed control of the city in september. ukrainian forces of fortifying their positions in this anticipating a potential rush and offensive cave. with these the eastern city could be next in
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line. if russia takes a fiercely contested town of bucket and at least 36 people have been killed in fighting and landslides in brazil, as our powder region was hit hardest by the heavy rains. a state of emergency has been declared for the 5 affected is to parties. those are the headlines. the news continues. heron unders here that's after upfront in syria citizens or collecting evidence, a show of crimes committed against civilians. we've moved out of syria now about $600000.00 pages of material so that one day they can bring the outside regime to justice. it puts a human face on the charges. it's a dead human face, but it's a human face. syria witnesses for the prosecution on al jazeera 2022 was the deadliest year in 3 decades for journalists and mexico. the country has been grappling with cartel violence and corruption for decades,
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placing the journalists who report on these issues at great risk when simply trying to do their jobs. with is the situation at a critical point. and as journalism in mexico facing a point of no return, that conversation is coming up, but 1st, ongoing fighting in the resource rich democratic republic of congo, between the army and the march 23 movement or m. 23 has left hundreds, did, and millions displaced in the countries of eastern provinces. the d. r. c. government blames neighboring lawanda for supporting him 23 and allegation garley has denied. but as fighting intensifies, many fear the conflict could escalate into war between the 2 countries. so what's in store for the congolese people? and is there a path towards peace? will ask the minister of communication and spokesperson for the government of the democratic republic of congo. this week's headliner, patrick will. yeah. patrick will. yeah, thank you so much for joining me on up front. thank you. tensions are flaring
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between the d r c animal wanda, which your government has accused of backing the armed group? m 23. that's an accusation. that one has repeatedly denied, of course, despite evidence documented by the united nations and human rights watch. there's also been a war of words with ca, golly, as violence proliferate sparking fears of further escalation. rwanda has said that your government is quote, preparing for war. is war with rwanda minute? thank you for your question. and i think once we are living today, it's not like for the 1st time we are in this kind of situation to respond back. in the past years, they've been fighting almost 5 time the government of democracy probably could. congo, you can remember 996. we've asked them, you can remember our std center and 23 didn't be doing it for years. and they
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always keep the same speech off denying the fact of what is what they've been doing in the early part of years today. we don't even want to go on detail of that because they're read it documented report from united nations expert. they're read the white paper this year in kinshasa. there we do a lot of condemnation from always in the countries talking by united states, a key one that to stop the or the to support em. 23 democratic republic of congo with the prison. katie, we are busy because we have some tough challenge. we need to pace in, in that condition. we don't need any war. we've any money we need to teach. and for ben walks to get orders and we've been keeping people for the past year. and that's reach you back your year. that's prisons guy me because we don't think that these people are seeing on the wall that use this will
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ease doing that because yes. order interest such like continue looting in as 0. see me. it's a very clearly some economy arisen can interesting friday. what the prison again, me doing to use one of the challenges here, of course is what's happening with him. 23. there are the military challenges there, the legitimate threats that you've raised. another piece of this though is the actual war of words that has been escalating president to 2nd he called rwandan president apopka guy may a war monger, he also referred to his actions as diabolical that kind of language. that type of rhetoric certainly doesn't de escalate the tension. is it adding fuel to the fire? no, we don't change, you know, years since the beginning of this war we've been talking with quantities from the
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past to july. first, it was in brenda and then we went to the name, it will be 2 or 3 times one new york state prison, my wife everywhere, and ear differs and to see if he's known by being a demo or someone would been fighting to get him power to the prison got me, you can just look back on his background and then you know, what kind of liter east saw the president got me. but the question i'm less asking about the type of leader he is more about if the language that's being used is making matters worse. if the goal is peace in language using doesn't strike doesn't mean anything. if you have to compare it with what's present to me and these 2 are believe in some years the especially let me give you an example. last no proper. she was a kid, almost 20200 people were men and women
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lady in the correct condition. it's not year balance loads each about doing the act of violence they've been doing and or the international community can then work that i think issues. so there is certainly ample documentation of m. 23, committing human rights, violation summary executions, raped force, recruitment of people into the rank you reference some of the stuff yourself. to date. however, your government has also been accused of backing militias with similarly poor human rights records. i'm talking about groups like the democratic forces for the liberation of wanda, the f d l. art. they've been accused of killing hundreds of civilians. they've been accused of widespread sexual violence. president just 2nd. he has said that he opposed any alliance between the congo, leave army and militias. but there are reports, credible reports, the document, the supply of arms is applied ammunition, food, all to these groups. you know,
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why is your government backing these militias? i think we must make things clear because there is a lot of money relation and bad news, especially one of the, especially of special needs or fund governments bringing bad news news. what might be that? speaking about kids both ways. those people are there. we've been fighting them since 1996 to day. we continue to fight them because they force, there are, is security programs for companies. people are in the past years. unfortunately, they are a mom of those people who killed the cell number in the region. so we cannot walk those people who are called. thank you said you cannot work with. you cannot work with f d l r, but there is credible evidence. when i look at reports from human rights watch, just as one example. there are credible reports of people who say that the congress
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army has supplied armed groups with aid and weapons. one f, l. our fighter, for example, told human rights watch in october of 2022 that he himself witnessed for transfers of ammunition. and he says that it's the government quote that would always provide us with ammunition. he was specifically referring to the troops. he said they also gave us uniforms. and then we will have these level of reports of armed groups getting support from the current army. how do you respond to this? oh no, i don't see, don't let, let's, let's be clear on that question. there is no chord aberration between army and any major. so non tech for rent that don't give credit to all those people. oh, some of them can be there right there for you to make sure they are like complicated
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because but right. i knew that he was. are you are you disputing or are you just using human rights watch? we have often criticized. we will want in government as have other people in your government. one of the places that they have looked to, to just to verify their claims of the violence of atrocity committed by the rule, wind and government and groups like him. 23 has been human rights watch. now the same organization which people have trusted human rights watch is saying that your government have done the very same thing or are very similar things. examples of the congress army supplying armed groups with, with arms and 8 ammunition uniform boots. this has come on multiple occasions from multiple people, people from f, the alarm fighters from the my mark copied on militia, also make claims that carlie's army supplied them with, with, with ammunition across the board were hearing these claims. are you disputing human rights watch account, and if so, why? you must be clear. but you cannot make any comparison between i am plenty
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a tree which is like a pro fee of one than different forces. and a movement like failure m 23 doing position by doing my soccer on people that are 1st pointed to be clear, you cannot make any comparison between there is no preparation between army and need to show, but they've made some report about some situation here. you might just the point to make it genuine position. there is no, like a common plane between army and media shot it bounce back, getting old, doing things against one o. m 33 inside your seats, which is very different. we've. i'm 23. fighting with one and you from forces killing equal doing my soccer. there been a number of talks and initiative aimed at brokering and into the fighting. most
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recently at the east africa community stomach in burundi. earlier this month. these initiatives have largely failed to yield any real results and of course the violence has continued him. 23 is asking for direct negotiations with your government. is your government willing to talk to them? we don't. we cannot negotiate but we agree that we can talk with them, but there be conditions. it was my end of state. just back at what happened in luanda in november 20 tree. in november 23, there was a meeting between end of the eastern african community. they all agree and was the point in front of your door mark in english in each one different nation was she's failure, cease fire, evacuating like local, etc. and then these are moments. and then after the or process,
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we can see the way we can talk empty tray guides and the way we can deal with the rhonda and government because we want to stay in the state of war for the rest of our life. so we can, we move, i mean we are able to don't we fund that or to talk we am 20 tree after new with respect was the road map of one. recommend this friday or reach rate from new territory the summer months. and then we can see the way we can talk, it will be done just if they can respect what the state week amended after the meeting in glenda. and it was back in the united states, united nations, and in patrick re, i thank you so much for joining us on upfront and to sir, ah,
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mexico was known as one of the most dangerous places for journalists in the world. the country experienced a record number of journalists, deaths in 2022 criminal cartels and corruption have played the country for decades . continuing a cycle of violence, even with some efforts to protect the press. the fact remains, journalists, and mexico are facing undeniable threats to their lives and their livelihoods. so what does the future hold for journalism in the country? joining me to discuss this is award winning investigative journalist and the author of narco lamb, the mexican drug lords and their godfathers, annabel hernandez, she is currently living in exile after receiving death threats because of her investigative work on a bell. thank you so much for joining me. on up front. 2022 was an awful year. in fact, it was the deadliest year on record for journalists in mexico, according to the press freedom group article owed 19. there was an attack on a member of the press, every 14 hours violence by drug cartels. it's not new journalists are
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often targeted for their reporting, but the number of journalists killed last year had a record high. is the situation for the press and mexico getting worse? absolutely. it is very sad and, and my ticket to explain these, but guess absolutely a ease in getting worst. these attacks be said, threats. these violence against them. joe released and kept being in increasing in the last 20 years, even at the same time that the drug could be that, that they wanted between that got this cab, benin, gracing so even in one way you have these wire between that got this and another way at the same time, in almost in this same see piece where these wire east had been inc, a cure hours. so they did. so they of the journalist and sadly, no one,
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even the government or all the air force of all, all of these, none convert them it over never own organizations can have been able to stop these by list. i can say just there's a growing number of areas inside of mexico that have gone silent, you know, places that have become information dead zone where the press is effectively silenced because of the intimidation that they receive from the cartels and other actors as well. what does the emergence of these zones of silence mean for the people living inside of those communities really affects and deeply democracy? of course, because if you don't catch me be at that report there's that are able to informed to their society what is happening. not just in them out there, so of folks like safety also in matters of government accountability,
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all these things that are necessary to have a health lead democracy. most of the journalists in mexico, every there are fighting to protect the right of that people to having permission. the problem is that they are clock and fighting alone their media. many times are corrupt their, their media, many times receive money from them, from the government group that people of, from the got this. and even better judgment is one to 2 public day information. they media many times said know all that, oh many, many other times they generally have a very low salary. they even don't, doesn't have life insurance, they need the support of the government. they need the support of the society, they need the support of the media. so i have been talking with many of michael
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legs in different parts of mexico, even in the spots like, for example, them only past that each one of the biggest states where this silence is there for at least 10 years. and when i talk with these journalists, they want to do their job, they want to public information. but if they don't have deb platforms, media, all orse oh, all or safety places to public. they. they are not capable to do their job even if they want to, and they are suffering. and not because this much of the violence against journalists and mexico was happening at the local level in smaller cities and towns in august for staff members at a local radio station in sudan waters over shot and killed in what is just one of several recent violent incidents, there seems to be a pattern of violence in areas away from bigger cities, especially against journalists who work independently or for smaller outlets. in
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your view, why is local journalism bearing the brunt of this violence? is really, is truly very, very hard to try to explain these complicated question in mexico in just few words . but you have to understand that in mexico currently at this moment are operating 109 creamy, not organic stations. some of them are the beek guard this, that everyone knows it's in a la carte. they got up in cali schooner back. and it has shown all of these big constants, but also exceeds medium and smoke artists that have gone through in every town in the country. so when i look, i journalist wanted to coordinate the they job, they got not capital to do it because in one point you have to look out better look, got a gang,
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a green leg station that control street by street. and these gang many times, most of the times are connected with a major of the cd without doing the so the c, b, even if this it is very small. so these groups shown m really makes to their, to their, to their daughter, least almost impossible to do their job without risking their lives. that's, that's why what is happening in mexico isa human. right? it writes emergency. and that's why, since many years ago, a many journalists, as, as neat, we are asking to, would they come in the national community to, to pay attention is when, what and what is happening there? because now we have, again, i will repeated 109 creamy lands i sessions controlling all the country. a decade ago, a mexico introduced
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a set of protection mechanisms for journalists refer to l as l. mckinney. small are providing pin like police protection and relocation services. in cases of extreme violence, now these 9 reporters have been killed while enrolled in this program. i de la navarro bed. your general director of the one is magazine said that said that a mechanism obviously does not work. many of my colleagues who were killed in mexico was under the protection mechanism when they were murdered. why is that mckinney small not working? well, i can tell you in my own experience, because i am also inside them mcneese. i cannot believe in mexico because these make and he's doesn't works obviously. but what can i tell you is 1st, that really dig government, the federal government doesn't care about the judges list. now we have
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the president, and that is my know lopez. so, but i thought that almost every day in he's ever a, in, he's in a french press conference at tuck journalist at back there media because they the one that any one a can. it could be good because he does do critique school games him. so for they the back of the state that are very could hook that, that don't that, that don't want that they don't really do their job for that. got there is that one also to keep silent to the journalist if they see that just a precedent, a man who supposedly have some breast baked about their democracy about that point, ability about their freedom expression. if you see that the pressure then is the 1st one that is attacking every day to they don't release of course in
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one way or another, the depression, then even you permeate to do whatever you want to do again they jordan is that's why that's why last year became the most terrible do for the germans. according with united nations, anesco night to journalist in mexico were more there in mexico. this is the crisis when you talk about the government's role in this, there's the president in his words for sure. but there are many people who argue that the government and security forces are also complicit in what's happening to journalism that i'm thinking about in 2015. for example, jose molly says sanchez said ethel was killed after he published content that was critical of the local government in better cruise. where he lived in 2022,
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a bear lopez vasquez was shot a day after he published a story, accusing a local politician of corruption, people to say no more afraid of the government. at least some journalists, are there more afraid of the government than the cartels? what do you make of that? i mean, if you go to the is to buy straight and you asked for to i journalist who is smaller than gears a chapel was man the head of this in the look got been or the governor or the major of the ordered the chief of the police, they degeren's will tell you that the out tory t, their members of the government. i'm more dangerous because they also can do these with all the impunity given, given what you're saying. you know, the violence, the impunity, the structural deep structural problems that we're seeing throughout the mexican
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society. do you think we'll see a new generation of journalists actually emerge in the country that, that, that, that be so one kind of a miracle, you know, because for example, many times i go back to mexico to continue my work. and many times i e i gave and gone fans in universities, and most of the time all these em classrooms are full of young junk students that want to be came jordan and is even they are afraid even they know that this salaries are not good for me it really. he sat huge hop. see they face this of the german is that even on these tragedy that is happening again? journalist, they want to became
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a journalist and they want to serve to the, to the society and that they also want to the offense then, right of the society to have the information to try to save aware betty, a quick democracy annabel hernandez. thank you so much for joining us on a friday. thank you. everyone that is our show up front will be back. ah
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