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who was strangled by her own father as renewed calls for iraq to adopt laws recognizing gender based violence. we'll talk more about her case in today's show and ask what's stopping iraq from criminalizing domestic violence. just a warning to our audience that today's conversation will involve descriptions of violence against women. ah, joining us from baghdad, marcin as somebody a non resident fellow with the brookings institution, also in baghdad. and i, i do our co founder of the iraqi association and the iraqi women's network. and in london weighed them with stuff us. she is a british kurdish political activists based in the u. k. welcome to all, marcia. i want to start by asking you personally if there was anything that surprised you when you 1st heard about ibis story, how did you feel? sadly, unsurprised by it because the context of iraq and the nature of tribal

society is something that continues to inflict violence on women throughout iraq's contemporary history. so of course, i was fat and shocked anger, but not surprised. and i think that really is the root of the problem that we continue to expect the kind of violence against women in iraq. and now when you hear that answer, i'm curious, given your decades of work on this issue inside iraq. was there anything that stood out to you about his situation, particularly the fact that she had previously as you know, you know, been escape or escapes feeling very sad that she's very young. 2022 years old. only on feeling always that she is, you know, send and she could really live in a peaceful way. and she has to choose her partner every human being that has the

target for that. and dyson ford about. and i just want to ask you, i mean, what stood out to you about this case. i can't imagine you were surprised. but was there something particular that that shocked you about the way it was handled or, or not? i think the most troubling aspects of this particular case is bad. the least failure on the 5 following heads that they haven't been any arrest. so any change in the way, women who report semester violence, there's no change in direction. there's no change in terms of politicians coming forward and saying that we need to do much more. i mean, particularly male politicians, because this is a fight that women alone can succeed in something that means men and women to jointly work together to change the way to change the fact that it continues to

descend in terms of treat women. and i just wanted to point out something. so iraqi kurdistan region half legislation to criminalize domestic violence both in terms of sexual, physical or psychological violence against a new kind of fun region and very much part of the country that has made some strides in terms of attempting to reduce violence against the mentoring plays regulation to ensure you know, that there's some sort of legislation for me to say actually this is my right was violated. this is this piece of legislation protect me, but even so, even in the southern region, we still see very high number of women killed. right. and i think that indicates that perhaps it's a cultural issue as much as it's a political issue. marcin i thought you wanted to jump and go ahead. yes. so i was going to add on related point about not having male allies and not having

male politicians or policy makers invested in working on this. and the kind of the lack of response on both the legal front and the parliamentary of friends. and i wanted to add that what's even more astonishing, and this is the fact that there's very few female allies politically for iraq, women. and that despite the apparent quantitative success, the iraq and have in parliament with a 25 percent quota being surpassed. actually in the last election, there's only a handful of women in parliament and even a handful of the generous term that actually advocate for women's rights. and what truly saddened me that i'm almost certain that this is going to be for god. and when it comes to legislation enough, you know, in a few months and nothing will come of it and more rocky women will be killed and nothing will come of that because the kind of legislative 4th we need to see this through is still missing in iraq. right now, and then i'm glad you brought that up hannah, i want to ask you after go ahead. did you want to say something out?

yes, i would like to mention that really big list of names of victims like like what happened to people there? are there are so many of these like my now because you'll be d like because like i a move so we like model flavor like how this is that the to says sounds like you don't know then is she, mary? i was all these they are being killed on their way to being either being exempt from 4 to be, excuse me, to get medication management or they have been already in the unity. well, i know this is our problem, not to think about these lives is being really got, you know, without any punishment. this is if it's already been for us, and always we say that iraqi women, there is no safety for iraqi women. and this is due to the marginalization due d. i always have marginalization of the rule of law in the country. this is the

main issue for i and i appreciate your passion and i appreciate you both bringing up politics as well as the legislative lack of mobilization, if you will. we have also in the iraqi advocate for women's rights and fire lab, who said this after the protests on february 5th, take a listen. a good deal. we don't only have the case of tuba. there are many hundreds, dozens, like tuba, who are killed in the name of honor and shame washing. there are many cases that are not publicized enter, disclosed as cases of suicide when they are in fact killings in the name of honor without any investigation. without any proof, we're not only here for tuber today, but for the hundreds, dozens of women who are killed just like tuba. it is about the law and not about tea, but personally i see said, echoing the fact that this is too many names to many people too many lives lost in the fact that i want to ask you on the back of that and up. if i were any rocky

woman, if you will, what are my options? what are my tangible options? in terms of protecting myself? you know, this is the way that we are trying to raise this for the issue for to be so shy at on this is it needs that we have to mobilize, you know, many different people, different strata beginning go from there. all or flo enforcement of law about our does do the especially and do the family is send, you know, because even the young people they are, they have raised this issue. who is the next? and if the family doesn't understand that they do save their girls or their daughters of order their wise, this is it to me is there is no way for woman to live in a peaceful wait or to, to build a future. this is, it is a very essential things that the understanding of the family do, may mobilize society, again this economic crimes. and this is

a get and i think that this we, we got some of that much, but that i'm not sure. i'm actually when you think about domestic violence. laura and i saw marcia, this is not a big company. got issue mostly. and i saw that you wanted to jump in there. i just wanted to add to, i know a saying about the about society in europe in general and building up what literally does that about the issue is happening the kurdistan region as well. yeah, i think there is a big problem with tribal society in iraq and i, i know where the bus family is from and these are areas i visited and they're very, they have norms that are strong lead punitive towards women. and the issue here is that these actors are allowed to act with immunity, not only when it comes to women's issues, but also in general. sometimes they're even seen as partners, tribes, and tribal leaders when it comes to policy issues and not only by the iraqi government itself, but even by international organizations. so on one hand, sometimes you have institutions,

both on domestic political institutions and international ones that legitimize the existence of these patriarchal norms. so long as they are operating in one space. but then by legitimizing them, they're creating these very powerful actors that flaunt the law. and that continue building on this culture and on this norm that makes lemon less valuable in society and very easy targets and very easy pray for any small violation. so i, i do think that everyone has the role to play in them. yeah, i know most certainly, and speaking of the fact of everyone having a role to play in this so many people playing a role actively, i want to share with our audience. on february 5th, the rocky women staged a protest in baghdad. this was an anti domestic violence law that they were calling for and it's been stalled in parliament for ages. we have to supporters who are sharing with us some of their views on this take to listen tribal customs dominate the law. a person who kills his daughter or sister is jailed and released

after 6 months total if allowed in the fall. we, i know her father killed her intentionally and was encouraged by iraqi law to which about killing under the pretext of so called honor motive. amid a complete cover up by the plan, we heard from marcia about how tribal customs play into all of this and factor into the lack of protection. what would you add anything based on what those women had say? i think it's not just that it's a tribal thing, but it is something you could have fun region we see on the killings happening. the cities as well. for me, at least i believe that women also care role in upholding very sexist and patriarchal funded. we see that it's not just the men who are killing lose those, some women who also advocate for the sick mentality. and so i think if the rest of

you all can learn from that, you cut a son region. some of the things that they've established into the helpline multiple show houses legislation is passed to criminalize funds against women. you've got a inside director. it specifically deals with cases of violence against women. but what women act was trying to do now is to have the court have a special code to the on the base killings and violence so that women have the privacy they need and have the security. they need to ensure that the, if they come full it, and of course they will have justice because you have things like bribes, things like witnesses being intimidated. women who, again to the court, being intimidated, they're often scared, right? to come to add on all of that. i think one thing that's always missed is that women play a role in how iraq deals with women. it's not just men who have who

is in the case, the mother allegedly also it was involved in what happened to it wasn't just men doing so well, it's interesting to me because the recent election, i mean it was encouraging to see so many female and peas you know, especially from independent parties, so that would give the impression that perhaps, you know, there is more hope and yet we see so, so often things continue to get stalled. and i think you were pointing some of those issues for audience. so i appreciate that also i want to share and called transparency. before we went live, you brought up the fact that you know you wished perhaps more iraqi men would be part of this conversation and asked why we didn't include a man's voice. i see you nodding on that note. i want to, i want to share the comment that's in our youtube chat. this came in just moments ago from lynn murphy belly saying not all men believe in honor killings for women. so i'm afraid that this could end up igniting

a civil war among the men because this behavior, anger is other men. just one opinion there, but, but not you wanted to add, as i was mentioning the absence of a man from this discussion. yes, i would like to say that soon as we are in society organization, we could really wide, or jose said grenade the questions of the domestic violence. and this is, it is an issue now becoming not among civil society, but among, you know, society as a whole. and this is the, the public quit cases as being how he's ada broke this island as broken this island again said, so this is, is now becoming an issue is not just we went before that time, we were always silence and people, they don't want to speak about it. yeah. now even no, not in the cities i am speaking about in the area. yeah. where do we could succeeded, like in many conservative and he has like guess how we get where we have really

made a groups of man, you know, it's your king against don't take violence and you know, how said about the punishment, the importance of punishment. and i always say is supporting their wives and systems to be, you know, aware about their lives and to choose their how you say what their rights and their life. and this is, it is, i've just been partners. and this is now the change is coming. not only in the cities, but even in the areas, and this is the new york to the 71st i at the movement to which is supported by so enlightened people in the light of men. they are also joining, you know, how is aid or needs a lawyers and judges and others where we are really feel that the change is coming and is not quite away. and especially among good new jenna. and i appreciate you bringing up the new generation. obviously the way this topic previously taboos still very much taboo is being discussed in the virtual realm in social spaces is

why we wanted to have this conversation on the stream of her audience who might not be very familiar though with fibers case, i want to ask you more seeing if i can, looking at this tweet from minos dooley, following to her death, a stable ali activists tell me that it's time for the government to chan change, rather the penal code and an end immunity to male perpetrators. although numbers aren't known cases up to tens of thousands like they, they buzz, remain hidden due to social taboos. could you, marcia explained to our audience that doesn't know why she went to turkey, kind of the ins and outs are there's the overview of fibers reality. the story as quiet her as tech. she went to turkey because she was escaping an abuse of family and her brother, in particular, was being sexually abusive towards her. so you can imagine it was harrowing circumstances for a very young woman to leave her country. and also she comes from a very, a very small town and

a small providence in iraq. and so she spend time in turkey. and when she decides to come back, it is like roy, decide the encouragement of her mother who says that they can make amends to the family and you know, perhaps you know, her father can be made to understand her choices and maybe this will help her. finally, marry her partner that she you've seen many of you to videos, but rather than any of that actually happening as a way to send her mother was the complicit in bringing her into to iraq and making her feel safe and only for her to be killed. and i think she has reached this level of attention from media outside of iraq because there's so many video roller. right . exactly. i feel very close to her with her. i mean, even if you didn't know who she was like, i didn't know who she was prior to her being killed. but as soon as you see her videos, you feel like you, you know, you see this person who, it's astounding that their life was cut for and short. and you know, when you,

when you say you see her sorry to cut you off. but when you say you see her, you really do see her right beyond just the visual you really feel like you can access her sort of spirit. and i think that's maybe why not to pontificate, but relay to anything to add. i know that there are parts of her story that are really harrowing and abuse that she faith. i think the one thing i liked the others when you wanted a facebook in particular, these killings always attract sympathy. you have individuals to glorify the killing of women in the name of on the young people say, well done, should have been done seen and i can come and see because i monitor kurdish media much more than media from the curb side. we have a platform called women, k l d, where the document women killed in the name of honor. 910 instances, the women who are killed. you have really horrifying comments on facebook in particular, when people rejoice and celebrate those killings. so to me there's

a cultural problem in addition to the fact that you have a government, lack of government initiative because violence against women on the kind of thought, even though you have legislation is just not enough. so i'm probably to need it in my opinion if you need, sorry. you need a cultural change. it's going to take time because the moment we have young girls, you can see all those on instagram, on twist on facebook. they can find like minded individuals and then you have those who want to divide you. this tends to be a clash of opinions and it's going to get much before it gets better. to me it's not black and white to shoot even. ringback iraq where to pass domestic violence. sure. right, yeah, being killed continue to happen, but it's 2nd to reduce that. and before we wrap up this conversation, i do want to share with our audience

a report done last year by al jazeera simona full team. i want to share this because it kind of documents how domestic violence beyond the case has really been a problem. particularly during the pandemic and beyond. take a listen. there is one government run shelter in bagdad, but it only provides accommodation on a judge's order. some women seeking urgent refuge turned to rights groups that run underground operations. this woman endured her husband's abuse for more than 20 years. oh, if an assault we have travelled rules. if the woman left her husband's house or her parents house, she will be killed. how far away? oh, the tipping point was when he began to sexually harass their daughters one night they crept out of their home and came to this shelter. court gone when her midnight mute . oh no one called the law doesn't protect me. 1 may be the roof on my location, i'm scared to sleep at night. i'm afraid of the trial. i want to

bring some of the voices and are you to chat into this discussion earlier saying, saying, i appreciate that public awareness of this issue. it's nice to see that there's a debate about this in iraq and we have cherie towered, saying, tribal systems have always been about women, education and equality. not all men feel this way. and some when women haven't been educated enough, thankfully, the world is waking up. so i question for you, hanna, does it feel like the world is waking up? you said that the young generations and inspiring you, is there a reason to be hopeful here, after 4 decades of you tirelessly trying to bring an end to the suffering? you know, this is, this is becoming an issue of the people is not only issues of them, but issues of people when, when the young people speaking that we, we are condemning violence against women or girls. this is if there's an issue, when they speak about a quantity and they go to vote for women, this is what,

what you have saved from the beginning. the last elections as a broom, the thrust of the society toward so much to be in the such position of the politics in politics. so this is, it's mean is not only the parties, but even independent people. you know that to, of this, in your parties. they got a form and they got the highest vote among women, all but you know, thousands of about 330000 votes, one of them in july money. i'm to the 2nd one in very small areas if you want me to sense. so this is, it means that there is no change along so as i a t and especially within the new generation. and when i remember also, on the 13 february 2020, when thousands of women moved in several provinces would be, you know, i would, i would say, with the title of, again, condemning violence against women and goods. this is, it was a big issue,

a bank that and in this open areas, during the uprising of 20192020, where women, even they being, you know, involved in this department. then they have really, always said they, they guarded their, they guarded. this demonstration. yeah. so this is not only in baghdad, but i'm speaking about the areas of the many conservative, you know. yeah, i know them. so it says now the changes are coming and my that's all i would like to say that to the governments, even when we met with the minister of yes, yes, he emphasized that there was that there, there shouldn't be protection, right. the forms such of all survivors from the domestic violence and that's what we are doing without trying well, mobilizing, i want to send files, women would this was that would be so sorry at the as well as pushing and pushing the high when you can counsel to make a steps against this, you know, guy,

and that's why we're grateful for you and everyone to join us and to continue to push this conversation forward. speaking of which we have a video comment that was sent to us from show can i'd take a listen. i what this lawyer, how to say from baghdad. this little cousin with my, with my company, with a manual highly. he said that with, you know, i met seen, we're running out of time here. i want to give you one last chance to give us your last thought. what should we be focused on?

think like, ha, does said there are a lot of lessons to be learned from the current to stan region. and you talked about semen as report, which is an excellent report. but i think the important lesson that comes from both from, from this report is that iraq is interconnected and domestic violence legislation in one area won't be impact lot a country wide. i'm just lation and then it's also a reminder for gimme that's all the time we have. but a reminder that we're all connected with you and with iraq. so thank you for watching and for being part of this conversation. see you next time. ah ah, along with

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