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between afghan and pakistani, hold a forces a major crossing the tried and traveled between the countries has been closed. so what's causing the latest flare up? and how will that affect people on both sides of the border? this is inside stored. ah. hello welcome to the program. i'm toma cried the main crossing between afghanistan and pakistan has been closed for days and border forces on each side have exchanged fire. ah! the incident is the latest in a series of flareups between the 2 countries. have ghana san says it shut the border on sunday. after pakistani security officials reportedly prevented afghans seeking medical help from entering with that's after pakistan,

tight and security at its border crossings of thousands of vehicles carrying travelers and goods. and al stranded on both sides of the border. and traders and businesses are facing mounting losses in the last few months. the countries have closed the crossing many times in violence has often broken house pakistan and afghanistan. shearer bought at nearly 2600 kilometers long with 18 crossing points . the one in the board, a town of talk. com is the busiest. it's based nearly 180 kilometers from each country's capital on come out high to reports from the pakistani capital. islam of us being a landlord country of one is on, is heavily dependent on trade across the border from august on that are 2 major crossings. one that can a gentleman rick done to hardy. they shaw, already eastern city of nigger. this is also one of the big route and to have one

on board country the enjoy consider, but trade and vote. countries that facing economic hardship, the on site at the q bargain on of north adhering to the agreement, unconfirmed report saying that another one patient was turned back from the board. many of want to come to budget on medical attention. the other ones are not happy with the way that budgets have behaved deposits on the side of god. once that border to be opened. there's no magic efforts underway. but on monday, there was also an exchange of automatic fire, which led to among some of the people living close to the border area to move from their homes temporarily. and also, according to custom of fisher $300.00 drug, we're now stranded on the buckets on the side. many of them getting better to relate them so that translate can do use lock in for traded on both sides. and

people of course, will be hoping that the issue or the dog in order to alleviate the hardship of the people and also to be able to prove vendor officially for budget on the trade it was sending that commodity the across the board up, commodity reporting fall insights story from it. from our bod, i will go to our guests and just a moment that 1st let's take a closer look at the importance of the talk. hm. crossing it is a vital link for trade between the 2 nations and thousands of vehicles passed through it every week. it's particularly important for afghanistan that uses it to export coal and receive food and other essentials from pakistan. thousands of people use it every day for work and to get medical help and treatment of the decades. telecom has also been the main point of entry into pakistan for refugees. relations between the countries have been on edge since the taliban took over afghanistan in august 2021. ah.

well for more on this i am now joined by our guests father silence. professor of political science at cobble university in london is osalla m outs, director of development research group a consultancy focusing on women and youth development and central and south asian countries. and n is i'm about, is i, as was it a career diplomat and pakistan's, former ambassador to afghanistan, a warm welcome to you will. thank you very much for being on inside story. he asked, i want to stop by a trying to figure out exactly what you think happened. i mean, have you been able to pinpoint exactly why the border crossing was closed? this bardo and the one with the mom has also mentioned germany. this out of the dream barton costume barnes door dead out of the like gas alarm harm. and what are the are there are some transaction takes place, but it is the other,

the major lens between the 2. now what happened actually this, there was a both vision rosara. glad to park stanfull treatment, and the i'm going to get him in between the 2 sides or wide. some time was that each patient, one attendant would be allowed to the doctor visit this i heard from the library to the official document. so on this day, the a patient had one attendant with him which was turned down. according to the media report by the spanish security. there you better get the visa and then come. so on days the tension grew to this point there, danny, a gentleman on the spot was the senior one in charge of the check was from the con upon side, immediately closed at the bottom. it still is closed and done. so it flared up

and the firing took place between the 2. now this issue of depression is not that important, but it flared up because the trust deficit between the 2 side is an increased gradual increase sales. the taliban have taken over. in fact, between this law and carbon, the trust deficit has been there in time it widens when it comes down. it's wrote out of be down in the early days of the creation of pakistan. but let me leave that there. the tension increases with the of it some things like this because the bottom management has been a problem between the 2 sides. then comes in the do online, you should between the 2. a one side door unofficially officially, even though one can gun isn't it, got denied is recognizing the line,

but publicly that hesitant to admit and pakistan considers it as an international bother with obviously the she goes a lot deeper than just as you know, issues over over visas and fuzzy from an if can a sun point of view, i mean it a telephone. a pointed commissioner at the crossing said that pockets on has not been abiding by its commitments. what other commitments and how is this issue being to saved in afghanistan? yes it, yes, thank you. actually was sent an exception of pakistan. pakistan never support a couple based government. they never supported a government which is looking after i've done as a united and sovereign country. the extent has all the time factor. if we see even better,

no follow by could not satisfy pakistan. a wish to have a neighbor on the side which could be assisted in many ways to acknowledge political and social taliban wants to return to power to deal with believing that pakistan will stay as a close friend as a close ally and as a close supporter. but as soon as the taliban are back empowered, they have been demi, nice to have been scrutinized by pakistani government and military for the 1st time in the history of gunderson. most especially in the recent history pakistan here, the power of sunday court inside afghanistan was it was considered a severe and a estate act by tyler, by name carbon, and it created

a mistress between both the governments. secondly, pakistan it, 10 for domestic and he is facing too many attentions, political, economic, and social, the pakistani, democratic leadership and also military leadership has not been able to stabilize, said the, on quote the on country. so they have been looking for some blooming good in the region. i've just been having some troubles and problems not only with the sun, but on and also india. there are problems. i've been at the very last thing and said the tons of agreements between going to start and sunday. so very prominent, tucked them in by the name of uptime, which is not been respected by pakistan. and it has never been considered as an officer document by pakistan. and passed many years and then one of the taliban took power. they also raise, they show up to, to be implemented due to up to pakistan will have time to try to shut up,

getting spend away, understand when the route to go to take its exports and import the india, which is not suspected. and it has been creating a lot of problems. what i've kind of sick nami, please, social and political. okay. i would like to bring you in here. obviously this is a big humanitarian issue. who's paying the, the price here on both sides of the border, who the real people that are being affected in their daily lives. thank you very much for, for this question. just before i goes to the humanitarian aspect of this, i have to remind our audience that this border is laying on the direct line which is still contested. most of the afghans in particular, those who live on both side of this bother are not formally to conniving the durham

line. and so the conversation is reflected in some of these reactions that we see are somehow suppose of the out of the government control. and it's obvious that even though i've got a son today have the most pockets on the friendly regime in place, still their attention, they are situations like this. so we've, let's not forget that it within. ringback the context of the, the closure of the border is also a political act, and it's like a pressure points by the, by the parties involved in our depressurize each other. and now who is paying the price from a humanitarian for prospective. it's absolutely clear that if the africans who are paying the huge price here because the guns are in a very concerning situation, at the moment, there is a humanitarian crisis in the country with absolute majority of the people in need of food, immediate services, and in particular medical services, which is going,

getting worse actually due to the limitations that i've got the phone is facing today. so a lot of those patients who are an urgent need, elderly, particularly, who are an urgent need of carrying and treatments and pockets balmy cities, off the shower or some of us are now the, the prime affected people. in addition to that door humbug are similar to chairman bought it as was mentioned by your other guests or places where the livelihoods of absolute majority of those who are risen, resided locally or regionally. and those areas is depending. so people in the level are losing their jobs. the traders from both side, the pocket only side as one of the african side. also losing a lot when we have more than, like a reporter say more than 300 or 500 trucks or kind of stuck in there. and we have seen so many times this happened is not the 1st time unfortunately. and the following is because i think there is this tension that is out of the control of

the face, who cannot really maintain that level of stability there to, to, to happen. so, conclusively, it's the people who are paying the price like any other pension, like any other conflict, and particularly those who's health conditions or live differences directly, depending on this border, being open as obviously this isn't just an issue in afghanistan. i mean, it's an important trade route for pakistan as well. i mean, how much of an appetite is there to keep this board a closed door? is there any pressure coming on, authorities from the people that live in the area that need to do trade in the area from the pakistani side to open the border up as soon as possible. olivia permit me . i'll make a comment on my fence. i'm gobble said about the a reaction of focused on his card when he said, no government problem was nice in the true sense by pakistan. in fact, let's,

let's not clear things from ourselves. i'll give you a statical perspective. there after cation of pakistan, 1947 in august, 47, marcus on applied for a membership of the union and and 30th of september, 1947. all the members of the urine war to become a member except one is done, rich gas, negative or to didn't want fund pakistan. there is the objection. but their projection remained for 20 days on the but on october 5 to $7.00. they took it back, but the fust stone was caused by the avalon not to buy the pakistan is the rest is a history. if we're going through less less i why blame game. what i said, i telling my friend from of amazon to check with you, and if i haven't said

a word more than what actual history is, then you can blame me for it. but the 1st beginning was made by the evidence. and they still have is that of ation on the line, which we consider as an established fact because that was done by the british government in 18. 93. when back to san was not there, it was a part of the indian subcontinent. the british and dia van ruler of demand fun, started doing like this, and you sent them in between them and pakistan. got it as a successor to state my financial check with the union and according to the international law that the success of state in that is what treaty has already been made. so it was not grand bipartisan but to some got it. but the other ones did negative or good reviews, drew a son to become a member. so less buddy,

a thumbs down to the l. o. r. the activity and the i'm the father will be definitely affects both side down rounds more because they are dependent for a mainly i'm importing goods from pakistan door they have access to the other neighboring countries. also having trade with them are mostly focuses on pakistan or trade for education, for the treatment of their passions. so this affects them mostly, but certainly are people near the bar i have learned close on saturday by lynch with because the amended depend on this transit trade of our bill bill yearning. because in the tribal area, there is hardly anything for people to live on. so this is the only source i would say of income of those people are concerned. they will love that the, the,

the father remains a kept oversee. this is a mess of social impact, fuzz, millions of africans live in pakistan and mini commute on a daily basis. between the 2 countries, i mean this, this ties as well as much division as there isn't as much history as there is like we had outline there between the 2 countries. this actually a lot in common and there is a brotherhood between these 2 nations as well. isn't there, so what does that do to the people that rely on that daily commute between afghanistan and pakistan? if we look at the starting call perspective, we can come up with a lot of detail the evidence and perspectives. but my new pakistan on is used to do a land issue at the pressure. my point, i've got to go, but

a mental problem that they know that i'm going to send a landlord and they use this deal on line on this border as an issue to sanctuary shelters. all those anti tech to sit on this line on board site and provide them support to somehow do stabilize instead of understanding. that is why the government and carbon never never to consider pakistan as a friend. that when taliban resisting the us a commission and i've got a son and plus 20, they were protected and supported by pakistan, government and pucks on people. but why did he tell him to pilot they have been having and the mind and heart all those make it easy and disability that they went through and plus 20 years of business tennis in pakistan as their leader to sort of

the killed some of the leaders were detained, many of the leaders were sold out to us. and so that driven just bad. secondly, the mistress. previously, you were a guest and mistress and the touch, different certain scholars between pakistan and afghanistan and much of the blame comes to pakistan in the very last thing is that if you consider this broader a ton of the trout, why pakistan is not biting, gets sent to the w t o. going to spend his member also the w 2 in pakistan and then to mission a laws and regulations. is it why they are not allowing god because transports to the body to the india and also why not allowing? i've got goods to be transported on it's mentality and then seasonal out to night. karachi last thing is that blame game as well,

which comes from pakistan, the data line as part of so what i've done to the stadium, to the development of the, to the how stupid are to this area and what have been achieved by them that you know, that still tell it by not been blaming regarding the recent attacks resistance and the mind that is going on as soon as the taliban took power to pakistani. sorry, many of the attackers, minova instability factors, sort of still coming from that side was bad for any tyler bus shelters. and for the bloom game is always there. but we should not forget that the britain said 9018. 93 have never signed an agreement with i've got it done. it was a buffer zone and the gun is done. that time was playing

a buffer state. and the general as soon as a buffer between the imperialist anglo and i've got government to that end date, and i just want to move away from the history for the moment. and, and you touched on this a little bit early and i want you to expand on it. you know, many africans traveled to pockets on for medical treatment. can you explain just how big an issue that is and what happens? what's happening to them now and alive? is being put at risk with this border closure precisely as you are well aware and i'm for the 2 guests in the program as well. unfortunately, due to the long years of conflict and also due to the currents, tyler bon authorities benz on, on education. there is a massive shortage of medical services, particularly medical at the more advanced level of me because they have noses in

treatment for the people in afghanistan. so afghans are left with no other options, but to rely on their immediate neighbors. in the past, india was a very sort of like, significant to destination, but because of the visa and restrictions on travels, no longer people can go to india. so everyone is back to like using this option of saving a life and then taking the person who has l. if we all look around our relatives or friends or networks of people, every one on average, every family have been to pockets on once or twice, at least just for the medical treatment. so it's quite significant. what is really bothering him, particularly as mister hall was also saying in his comments how this immediate issue was triggered because something was agreed between afghanistan and pakistan in the recent months. which was too far because there is, will be that now issue than an easy way. there are like black market to be done with $11200.00 or so the dollars that you have to pay, you can get

a pocket funny visa. but what for the medical reasons, because of the pressure from the people, the pakistani government in the the taliban have made an agreement that ok, there should be another procedure to allow the patients with one attendance to, to cross the border for the medical treatment. i know my own relatives living in eastern afghanistan who use this like 2 weeks ago, husband and wife, very l would. they had one, some got to the border and crossed it, and one for treatment and, and back to have got a sense. so if something like this exists, the neighborhood that the brotherhood we were talking about in earlier, why is it seem to be stopped? and that's obviously create tension and we are talking about the very unstable situation. people are in d, b can all the crisis. and of course these things trigger something that is originated in history. we come up pack history or folded in a folder somewhere. this is a history that affects people live. i said,

i never said that about focused on focused on that exist in the time to do remind was created, i think historical discussions were enough for make before me so i will not repeat it. but it's just a realization because of that contestation that exist people do not recognize this . and therefore when there are change and the policies for whatever reason, whether it is do politics or pressure points mentioned before. or any other reasons could be random reasons. it triggers the immediate reaction of the people in house results into the tensions that we are seeing today. okay, i is, i want to finish with you just very briefly, as a former ambassador, how does this get resolved quickly and peacefully and to get the ball to reopen for everyone that desperately needs to use it as a trade and suppliers? well, give me just a moment to comment on why this trickles up

so very often with the tunnel on, particularly because the taliban before the taliban coming and power, the wizard restrictions weren't there, but they were not so stringent during good god. why are the venues b as they are now? now the taliban is taken bit very seriously. that look, we are, you are friends for us. it should have been a little more lenient. then i'm making it difficult. that is the real bone of contention. where it is, it's a links go very deep in the history. i can, if been any time, how do we, how do we move on from this? i'm just going to mention that i think the foster and for most or the most important element is they're both the garments in law, bob and problem short accept and regret the boss mistakes. i'm not going into the

details to slam bother committed goblin. this your thought of given final get and regret and then move on until and unless it is addressed, these games will keep cropping up and australian got a whatever effort you may make, something will happen and will again a bit development. they're out of good benches in our history, but again, this thing comes up and the development between the 2 pushes to the bank and the tension on the deficit increases. so far back to our address, we have to go into the history and the 2 governments have to come up with this idea if you do use in the past, in the bow, my 2 independent sovereign states, a hand in hand and resolve the issue of our people let's hope of every one site that is affected, that those 2 governments can, can come to

a resolution as quickly as possible. thank you so much. that is a 1000 and cobble was ella namath and london. and as was in islam about thank you very much for being guests on inside story and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at ha, inside story for me. tell mccrae and the whole team here, bye for now. ah .

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